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Teen Suicide Tormentor Outed By Anonymous
MightyMartian writes "From the CBC: 'The tragic story of B.C. teen suicide victim Amanda Todd has taken another bizarre twist as the internet hacking and activist group Anonymous has named a man the group says was the girl's primary tormentor. Todd, 15, of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, died last Wednesday, a month after posting a haunting video on YouTube that cited the sexualized attack that set her down a path of anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol abuse.' This raises a whole nest of issues surrounding the presumption of innocence and vigilantism. Should the police and the courts be given the appropriate amount of time to determine if there is sufficient evidence, or if a crime has in fact been committed, or is Anonymous right in short-circuiting what might in fact be a lengthy process with no guarantee that anyone will face charges?"
This is rape and murder. Maybe not by society's definition. Maybe not by the liberalized culture that thinks tricking a 14 year old into baring her breasts on the internet is just good clean fun. Or that consent is always equivalent to permission. So as much as I consider what anonymous has done to be vigilantism; one cannot say that this man, or the teenage boy, or any of the rest of this poor girl's tormentors are innocent.
It's all tied together. Society's rejection of morality and ethics leads to this. Atheism leads to this. The culture of consent and contraception, leads to this. The only thing left to do is learn from it instead of repeating the same mistakes as the hippie generation.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
If you're going to try to punish someone for a crime (and make no mistake, naming the man is meant to be a punishment), you'd better make damn sure you get the right person.
For all the problems of the legal system, it is decent at that -- far from perfect, but probably better than some random anonymice.
Hope he's the right guy. If not, even if he is a piece of shit otherwise (and all signs point to "Yes!"), he's about to have to endure a shit storm of epic proportion fall upon him. And that would not be fair...
If he is the right guy...I will enjoy watching him self-destruct.
Scott
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Anonymous could have blood on their hands if the outrage becomes a lynch mob. I have no sympathy for the man, but the internet is a kangaroo court.
If Anonymous has material evidence that points to the guilt of a particular individual, they should turn that evidence over to the responsible law enforcement agency, not go public and taint both the investigation and public opinion. The detectives may have had the opportunity to seize evidence before the person knew he was under suspicion, or set up a sting operation. They'd also have the chance to clear the individual if he's innocent without the mess of threats of violence I presume this guy is now going to get.
Presuming this person is eventually charged and tried, Anonymous releasing this information can complicate the job of the prosecutor, having the opposite effect intended.
On the other hand, if this person is innocent, Anonymous just released a shitstorm on this poor guy that's going to be nearly impossible to get rid of until the police charge someone else.
I don't see any situations where Anonymous' action result in a more positive outcome than would have come about through other choices.
-Ryan
AUWYHSTOT (Acronyms are Useless When You Have to Spell Them Out Too)
Should the police and the courts be given the appropriate amount of time to determine if there is sufficient evidence, or if a crime has in fact been committed
In theory yes, but the problem with bullying is that the legal system doesn't protect it sufficiently .. there is this double standard. The exact same behaviors that would be considered criminal just a few years later is dismissed as 'normal' (and you're told to 'ignore it') at school level. This is primarily when vigilantism becomes attractive - when the formal justice system fails to protect victims.
What should happen is that more forms of bullying should be criminalized, and the penalties should be harsher - e.g. physical assault should be treated more often as an adult crime and teens should be tried as adults for committing physical assault. And as with committing crime as an adult, there should be harsher consequences that follow you through life. Currently when leaving school, there are no negative consequences for bullies at all - not even a modicum of shame in the workplace (this is why I support more 'name and shame' efforts for even past bullies).
Unfortunately, much like battered wife syndrome, without formal recourse, desperate victims are sometimes forced and driven to either tragically commit suicide, or occasionally, take out their own tormentors in the worst cases (e.g. some school shootings). At least in the latter, if there is a silver lining, it's that there is some manner of repercussion for the perpetrators - that is what is sorely needed.
Is this serious? Is someone on /. really wondering if it is better to let the police and the judiciary sytem decide if someone committed a crime and who it was, or just let anonymous (!) people do justice on their own?
Are people really nostalgic of the good old days of lynching etc.?
What Anonymous is doing is called revenge. Revenge is not justice.
Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the author.
A parallel story, not related to the case in question, but another instance of somebody being outed for their (in)actions:
http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
The person in that story might be a bit more on the verge of the defensible than those who would directly target a specific person - minor or otherwise - such as the one covered here.
Even if this is the right guy and the accuser was of sound mind, I'd prefer the law would handle this rather than Anonymous. Vigilante justice is fun and all, but how far from throwing acid on people or stonings is this?
And should we trust Anonymous on this one? What if they are just covering for one of their own?
... everyone has one, and Anonymous is no exception. Absent a gag order, due process has historically done little to thwart the expression of opinions or free speech, regardless of basis in fact/truth (or lack thereof). AFAIC, provided that they don't pose an obstruction of justice or investigation, Anonymous can discuss whoever they want whenever they want regarding public concerns - that alone does not make them vigilantes. Vigilantes are the ones who haphazardly take action. Speech is not action... hence the expression: actions speak louder than words...
I suppose the greatest risk here is the potential for ruinous libel of their target if they end up being wrong. Would Anonymous apologize or write a check?
These articles have been circling since yesterday.
The problem with vigilante justice is that it's tough to expect reasoned response when you show-up at someone's door with pitchforks and torches. I hope they're right and this tip-off helps lead to an investigation, trial, and punishment that fits the crime for taking advantage of a teen, but in an online world where everyone's an expert cyber-sleuth it only takes one emotionally-charged person to believe the wrong thing online and do something horrible.
The police are around for a reason. It's not that they're better investigators, it's that they have the mandate to do what's right and reasonable instead of popular and frenzied. Let them do their job before laying judgement.
The primary issue with due process is that it is set up in order to preserve the life of an innocent person, at the cost of letting 9 guilty people go free. When you find yourself at the end of a legal cannon, you will be very happy for every line written that the system must jump through in order to prosecute you, legally.
Unfortunately, the worst of us know how to use this system to benefit themselves, and so as the web is drawn tighter, they simply make themselves more slippery until eventually the spiders are trapped and only the flies know the way out of the web. The genie is out of the bottle for these, crooks, though so a hard reset of the tort system won't fix anything. We're stuck with what we have and it is ever-worsening.
In comes vigilantism. They don't worry about things like "alleged" or "possible" -- they deal in terms of black and white -- guilty or ignored. You don't want to be at the end of a vigilante cannon -- as they lack all accountability, you lack the security of knowing that you will escape unscathed if you prove yourself to be innocent.
As with any red-tape law, before you criticize it, you must ask yourself "If a very bad political power wanted to come after me, can this law potentially be used to protect me?" The answer is almost always a sorry "yes"
I caught a few of the threads where the apparent perp was outed, and I was very encouraged at the volume of comments that basically said 'that's enough data, now let's turn it over to the authorities.' Crowdsourcing of evidence-gathering is terribly powerful, and it's nice to see that even in a large pool of people (in a vigilante mood) the majority still have a sense that there's a line between prosecutor and jury. Sure, there are issues with naming potentially innocent people, but when the crowd refrains from attack and turns to a judicial system, it's the best we can do.
I think not...(*poof*)
The anonymous dox might have the WRONG address
http://www.cknw.com/news/vancouver/story.aspx?ID=1791555
there's the danger
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Anonymous is just the KKK incarnate. I love em to death, but as in the KKK which was founded to force deadbeat dads to take care of their families, Anonymous is just enjoying their moment in the sun. God Bless them every one...
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Yes, what happened is tragic.
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... well, y'know that little X in the top, right-hand corner of your chat window? Click it.
Yes, the guy who talked her into exposing herself is a creep (and possibly a pedophile)
But does she really have anyone to blame but herself? Seriously, some random guy on the Internet asks her to show her tits and she does it? Really??
Additionally, "cuber-bullying" is just the next wave of technophobic, attention-grabbing idiocy by the media. People get bullied every day in school and we just expect that. But this is happening on THE INTERNET, OH NO!!
By any measure, "cyber-bullying" is a whole lot easier to shrug off because
They simply provided information.
"Anonymous right in short-circuiting what might in fact be a lengthy process with no guarantee that anyone will face charges?"
You would only be right to even ask that question if they set out to punished this person, they have simply acted as a journalist type group and released information about the case.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Come on, what positive outcome could conceivably come from making this kid's name public? If people torment this little asswipe enough, will it bring his victim back?
Oh, right, Anonymous. They just want to watch the world burn.
So if Anonymous makes a mistake and outs the wrong person and that person becomes harassed by the public backlash to the point of committing suicide... Will Anonymous out their outer?
...what about this precious little snowflake's (/s) parents? Why weren't they aware of what their minor daughter was doing on the internet?
According to the following website, the suspected person appeared in court yesterday:
http://www.dailydot.com/news/amanda-todd-kody-maxson/
Another related story about people being exposed appeared on Slashdot a few days ago. Fortunately that one had a happy ending (no pun intended): the names were published. The First Amendment survives another brush with the false dignity of the powerful.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Of course it is, that is how the entire justice system works presently:
1) some dude kills someone
2) he is caught
3) named, shamed, imprisoned by the public (I say public, a random set of usually moronic people with the IQ of 5 rocks, even 5 might be generous)
4) family: "yeah he gets what he deserves, let him rot and die so nobody else has to suffer his evil ways!"
5) suffers prison and a lengthy time getting his own life back in order
6) ends up being a criminal again since prisons don't do shit to reform people
If anything, the justice system of today is worse than lynching. Even if they get the wrong guy, it'll still put off more than 90% of people from doing a crime. (more so today, people are far more scared of being caught for serious things especially because it is so much easier to find people)
Whereas even if a innocent person gets put in prison, often times they end up turning bad as well, or even get killed.
Innocent people get imprisoned to fuck and back all the time. And the crap they suffer most times in these prisons is worse than death.
And when people get away with things all the time, when MURDERERS get off free in an absolutely tiny time compared to the times people who download a fucking song who get stupid sentences and fines, yeah, no, fuck that. The justice system is shit. (note, speaking mainly of the US, other countries actually spend the money and time to reform people instead of throwing them in the trash)
Things like this happen literally ALL the time. Police don't do shit, so communities get together and take care of their business their own ways.
Groups of parents, friends, whatever, all of them get together if it means solving a "problem."
And it happens far more than you think. It isn't just something that "happens on da TV!", it actually does happen.
Anyone who actually has a life and speaks to people will know this. (unless they live in fancy land where no crime exists)
And the funny thing is it was this lack of policing that resulted in Lynch Mobs in the first place. The people taking care of their own problems.
History is never without a sense of irony. It is doomed to repeat itself. It is literally a rule it cannot stray from.
Just over a year ago, my daughter was murdered. I was told initially, that it was suicide. Then I was told it was a bad accident. I was threatened by the police not to investigate it, or I would be charged with obstruction. Through some irregularities with her brief hospital satay, I was presented with facts that do not add up. So, I started asking the police some questions. Quickly, they stopped answering, and then lied about their responses.
I’m not just another father grieving over his suicide daughter. For those that I’ve talked to about it I just barely get into the details (19 bruises, lack of GSR, plans for the next few days – and so very much more) and I’m asked if he is still being held in prison. My answer is no: They ‘interviewed’ him twice for a total of 60 minutes, and let him leave the state. Rose was murdered in a small county, with a sheriff that refuses to investigate (or respond). I (we) cannot afford to hire a private investigator, or a PR company. The ‘big city’ news agencies will not return phone calls. How does one motivate a lazy, small hick down, with a lying sheriff to do the right thing? I know that they cannot afford to do a full “CSI” stile investigation, but dam, get the evidence that has been there for over a year. Talk to witnesses that were with her that day. Keep in reasonable contact with the family
Perhaps piggy back on another story, in hope that someone will be able to render some assistance?
Part of the story can be found here - Remember Rose French
Since when has evidence collected by a private individual/organisation ever been ignored by a court of law or legal party what such evidence can be verified as conclusive?
Read the question: since when..?
-- David
As much as the Vancouver area, and British Columbia in general are beautiful places, with many wonderful people - justice here isn't entirely working. Whether it's our somewhat US leaning government on the other side of the continent messing with the codes, or that BC economically crashed at the end of the 80s thanks to US interference ... things basically aren't perfect. ... and thanks to Anonymous, there's now sufficient evidence for the authorities to investigate.
... and people continue to bully, harass and even sexually assault the same kinds of ways.
If you keep cutting police and keep increasing their load, coincident with cutting education and increasing their load too - no one has any time left anymore unless there's overwhelming evidence.
I've known people who've been harassed the same ways, and justice was not found.
and we all let it happen, or even do it ourselves.
I hope they've got the guy who started it.
They're not going to touch the hundreds of people at her schools that bullied because of it - probably.
maybe they'll make it easier to find and rescue victims before it's too late. And some justice beats none.
As Supreme Court Justice Byron White said. You don't need the presumption of guilt, To be just punishment only need to dished out "when he concludes that his interests require ... and the record strongly indicates guilt."
e.g.The Edublogs site went dark for about an hour after its hosting company, ServerBeach, pulled the plug. The hosting firm was responding to a copyright claim from publisher Pearson, which said one blog had been illegally sharing information it owned.
seems like terrorism, rape, and 1st degree murder charges are in order. and if they don't come down quickly, heck, then maybe we don't need the authorities involved at all... .
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Anonymous acted as a vigilante. There is a reason that vigilantism is illegal in most places on planet Earth. The reason is that the vigilantes will, in general, not be as impartial as the legal system. The vigilante has no accountability, which naturally leads to abuse. The vigilante is unknown, which means you have no idea what agenda they may have.
One can gripe about law enforcement as much as one wants, and it certainly is not perfect, and one can certainly point to situations where it has not worked as well as it should but vigilantism leads to a much worse situation much more often. Throwing out law enforcement because it is imperfect leads to a worse situation than the imperfect law enforcement. The solution is to work on improving law enforcement, not throwing society to the wolves.
isn't morality the actual problem... if she was "amoral" and didn't care that society would shun her because of their puritanical belief system, wouldn't have bothered her at all.
These suicide / harassment cases keep happening. I think the black letter law is adequate to prosecute for manslaughter in these cases: i.e. criminal but not felonious actions that result in a death but where death was not a likely outcome. But since prosecutors seem iffy to just apply manslaughter charges, just have black letter law to make it explicitly apply.
Your sarcastic tone is not exactly helpful. If someone wants to be sneaky they'll find a way to do it. Back in the day they'd pretend to go to sleep then sneak out the bedroom window. Nowadays they can use their phone, or a friend's phone, or tablet, or whatever. If they don't have a dataplan there's free wifi all over.
Basically you cannot hope to totally control a kid once they get to this age...all you can do is be there, be attentive, and hope that you've done a good enough job parenting to cover the times when they're on their own.
Has always worked so well in the past. Let's just look at the lower rates of everything we are exceptionally tough on: [insert infinity "loading" circle here]
My 2yo and 3yo sons regularly bite/scratch/beat on each other. In adults this would be assault and battery (possibly even aggravated assault). Are you proposing that they should go to jail?
OK....forgive my ignorance. When I first heard about this case, I thought they were talking about a girl being bullied at school. How could she possibly be bullied by a 32 year old guy living in another city? If he was stalking her on facebook, couldn't the problem have been solved by deleting her facebook account?
Right now revealing that a person was investigated but not charged or convicted is somewhat novel and an unknowing public jumps to unwarranted conclusions. But if every case is public then people will quickly learned that the police mostly do interview innocent people. They may be looking for information about other parties or the person might be one of many suspects.
At this moment there is a very public case about men that used a certain prostitute. As she used hidden cams they have little that can defend them. Immediately we see people talking about the wives being hurt and especially the mens' children. But here is the catch. Making it public might save a wife from AIDS. And kids realizing that daddy was a two faced liar who would cheat anyone he could can be good for those kids as well. The delusion that daddy is a great guy and not knowing how things really go in this world creates a serious disability in judgments. One day one of that guy's daughters may have a husband that gets caught straying and she just might say,well men do that and not take it seriously or she might divorce the guy and sock it to him. But at least she has a yard stick of real human behavior to help her make judgments.
has precepts that disempower women and make them the virtual property of men
i really don't see how liberalism empowers men who prey on women, especially since liberal culture is more closely identified with female empowerment
this creep would be able to get away with abuse and bullying of girls and women in traditional conservative culture, and it would be accepted and swept under the rug. in fact, in traditional conservative culture, girls and women are often blamed for men's bad behavior, being temptresses, or some other blame the victim bullshit
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I hope his life is made a living hell. I can't imagine what kind of sick freak would harass a kid like that.
He needs to be in jail for decades.
as in the biblical concept of a plague of demons
It is a phenomenon beyond anyone's control, and will be with us for sometime. As random as lightning strikes and just as easy to predict.
It exists to focus destruction on various targets, guided by an atavistic desire for justice and revenge without form or substance, as determined by complete whim. It's basically mob hysteria on a permanent rampage, galumphing across the Internet and reaching out to the real world in unpredictable ways. It targets what it considers evildoers, but it does it in the same way a bull targets a matador in a china shop. It is what it is, a force without reason and guided by whim and emotion.
As far as I can tell in terms of best approach to dealing with it, just stay the hell away from it and out of its path as best you can, and maybe as Internet and society continue to evolve together it will subside. Or get worse. Who knows.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Bullying is the '10's equivalent of '00's MySpace Pedophile scare at least, that's what I'm hoping.
that is the next step. manipulation. silver tongued demagogues have been manipulating mob psychology for millennia to all sorts of nefarious goals
Anonymous will move from capricious force trying to work for justice without a head, to outright manipulated used tool
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The only 'victims' of a suicide (if one actually wanted to be considered a victim) are those around the self-eliminationist that now have to deal with the fallout and funeral costs.
It's harsh and insensitive. Life sucks, adapt.
From TFA:
A national child anti-exploitation group, cybertip.ca, says it received a tip almost a year ago about Todd.
A concerned citizen contacted the organization last November to report that images of Todd were being circulated online, said spokeswoman Signy Arnason.
"We did receive one report, and that was passed along to law enforcement as well as child welfare," Arnason said Monday. "It was not a report from her, but it was a report from a concerned citizen."
So ... the girl was tormented by an adult who posted her topless images on seedy sites and that so-called "national child anti-exploitation group" got a tip and what they did?
The spoke-woman claimed that they have passed that tip to the "law enforcement" as well as "child welfare".
That was when that little girl was still being tormented by that sick adult, and what happened?
Nothing !
Neither the police nor the child welfare nor that "national child anti-exploitation group" did anything to protect the girl.
She was so tormented, so helpless that she chose to end her life.
Whose fault was it?
The society !
All of us have turned into zombies.
When someone got tormented, we just did what we do - passing the buck.
Like what that "national child anti-exploitation group" did.
All they did was passing the buck to the police and then ... nothing.
What's the use of having a "national child anti-exploitation group" when they don't do nothing??
I'm not in any shape or form related to the anonymous but I do applaud what they have done in this case.
They have done what the police, the child welfare system and the national child anti-exploitation group have all failed to do - to flush that sick motherfucker out in the open.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
My problem is, he's a horrible person that needs to be shut down, but he's not why she suicided. At least, not the sole reason. Amanda Todd was 12 or 13 when Maxson snapped the photo, a year older when he shared the photos, so Maxson's crime is, at the very least, distributing child porn. They can prove that. Maybe they'll go after him for other things (she claimed she was blackmailed, pictures were distributed, QED).
But it doesn't escape me that her entire community FAILED her most. Primarily, the actual bullying kids who preyed on her are even more directly responsible for her suicide; the people who put up Facebook pages with her boobs — direct harassment, needs to be punished. I'd LOVE to see those brats (all of them, even the ones who merely witnessed it and didn't say anything) get sent to juvey and put to work cleaning toilets or building homes for the poor; they're a wretched sort who don't get an out, but whose "rehabilitation" could actually benefit themselves and deter other kids from piling on with bullying. Such a thing could make Amanda Todd's life seem worthwhile without being too cruel (the bullies are, after all, teens).
Her parents might have slipped a bit a few nights when she was 12, but they also turned around and put her in counseling, let her change schools numerous times, let her change cities, etc, so I'm finding it REALLY hard to blame her family at all. That one-second "boob flash" could happen to any one of our childen (well, except those of us who ban webcams, like I do, but that's pretty extreme heh). What more could her family have done to rectify her situation? (I really have no idea. Change identities and nationalities and move en masse, because of one boob shot when their daughter was 12?!)
Finally, all these "mourners" now, who went to school with her, taught her, etc, why didn't they sit with her at lunch? I mean, even a TINY BIT of support from her community at any time in these two years (which feels like forever when you're 12) might have given her the strength she needed to stand against Maxson; to prosecute him; to prosecute the bullies that ganged up and assaulted her. It's really sad, but for all the bad Maxson did, and for all the cruelty of the actual bullies, it was Vancouver as a whole who failed her.
Perhaps my feeling of revulsion is best summarized by Adam Smith:
We blush for the impudence and rudeness of another, though he himself appears to have no sense of the impropriety of his own behaviour; because we cannot help feeling with what confusion we ourselves should be covered, had we behaved in so absurd a manner.
Teen suicide due to internet bullying is, tragically, not a new story. Anonymous is not a judge, jury or executioner. It cannot replace any countries legal system. What it can do is search, find and out likely culprits, and publicly post this information for hapless law enforcement agencies to accidentally trip over and perhaps even notice and use. If nothing else, Anonymous can make people who abuse and bully other people on the internet -non-anonymous-. This is good enough for me. Nothing disinfects like sunlight.
First *they* do this to the girl, then they pick a another victim who's now going to be the second to be killed/outed. They've been doing this for years and years, to countless people and companies, but bafflingly, hardly anyone realizes this. Are you fucking blind? You just keep reporting their frequent acts of terrorism and bullshit PR stunts because it makes for "great" news to the dumb sheep. It's truly sickening to witness this happening over and over and over again. Is it ever going to end?
Read this: The Internet cancer.
There's a huge difference between the Anonymous "organization" and some bunch of teenage script kiddies coming from 4chan /b/, seeking for revenge.
There are enough people involve with Anonymous for there to be some who would knowing go after an innocent person for their own reasons. Heck, even police forces, especially police forces have to worry about that issue.
Does Anonymous have any "Internal Affairs" division to filter that possibility out?
Uh oh, they might be coming after me!
the biggest problem is that we don't know if the by 'anonymous' targeted person actually IS the one who is responsible, we have to take 'anonymous' word for it. And it's not that 'anonymous' is as reliable as a lot of people think, anyone can claim he/she's 'anonymous' also people with bad intentions (which IMHO are a lot of 'anonymous' people as they don't care about nothing as their own views)..
What the hell has happened to Anonymous? Didn't we used to be pro taunting suicidal teens? Does nobody appreciate humour anymore?
You do understand that the whole concept of anonymity is to have no identity? Anonymous isn't a group of individuals because you can't be certain who is or isn't a member because they are all anonymous. The moment they get an individual identity, they are no longer anonymous.
Last weekend, a video was posted threathening dutch ISP and the dutch content mafia with a cyber attack by Anonymous, it turned out to be a kid who had no relation with them but there was no way to know this because you can't call up anon and ask them if anon, no the other anon, not that anon, you know the anon who knowns anon is really an anon. Well you could but the poor sap you end up calling randomly probably will hang up on you.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Anyone of any religion could serve under Napoleon and rise through the ranks. Good luck doing that in the British army of those days.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Revenge is the best you can get.
I am not a dreamer, I don't believe it worth letting a million criminals go free to save one innocent man from jail. Because the reality is that countless criminals go free and STILL we end up with innocent people going to jail.
Revenge might not solve anything but it sure feels good and doing nothing doesn't solve anything either and makes you feel lousy.
So, unless you can offer justice, I go for revenge.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
An asshole thought he could do anything on the internet without consequence, so did another asshole. There are consequences to your actions, suck it up.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
You ask, why those at school, presumably in her class didn't have the insight of a fully trained shrink and could diagnose her as having issues and offer support?
Because they are 12 year olds! And her teachers? Over-worked dealing with hundreds of students each with their own problems. A quiet shy girl who isn't noticed, doesn't get noticed. The bullies get the support because they make a lot of noise, the quiet ones who commit suicide of the bullies, they don't appear on the radar.
And the bullies blame their victims for being weak, see countless comments so far on this subject. It is the way of the world.
And you are supporting it because you blame the world and the victim more then the bullies.
Ten to one, you were/are a bully yourself.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
This is not new. The first incident like this (that I know of) was in South Korea in 2005. It (and similar events) culminated in a law essentially stripping out anonymity online. It hasn't worked that well as most anonymous forums have simply moved overseas.
This is one of the truly new problems created by the Internet, and I look forward to watching how society struggles with coming up with a solution for it. The "lynch mob" analogy doesn't really work since members of mob aren't truly anonymous (though the KKK tried to achieve that), and the potential geographic separation between tormentor and victim is literally worldwide. So while there have been similar problems in the past, none are quite like this one.
I have karma to burn.
If the muslim may not need to feel attacked with all the anti muslim propaganda and advertising, and they should bravely ignore all insult, THEN that teen dying is her own damn fault and the troll asshole which pushed her to do it left alone.
You can't have it any other way, or you have to admit the muslim have a point.
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It is basically the old cavemen in us. A woman going everywhere you can't make sure your children are from your seed. A lot of people can't get past those gut feeling.
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And yet you leave out the mass killings that presaged the democides of the 20th century that came from these proto-leftists. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, amiright? (And ironically, the man who coined that phrase was one of the mass-murderers who lead the Reign of Terror)
Seems clear to me that it's just another example of some maladjusted hackers wanting to show people that they are the biggest bully around. That the only reason you're safe, is because they haven't targeted you yet.
They did this to see what would happen, not for some vigilante justice.
go ahead anon, out this guy.... as long as you have access to his system, have seen the emails he sent, have seen the pics
he took.... if its damn near guaranteed its the guy then to hell with this guy. hes one of the worst kinds of ppl.
whos to say he hasn't gone farther? molested people he has access too.... you know he would if he could.
release his data. go anon go.
ANON did good exposing the bastard ... perhaps civic_minded citizens will now break his legs and wrists and leave him in a gutter! No defence implied of the cowardly teen princess ... herd_cull for those too weak to push.on! Societies worked just fine for 20,000 years without cosmopolitan pimping **due process**. No simpering excuse-making need apply. Here's the rule for the perp: do evil then pay-what-thou-owest!
I understand this is a sad story, but look at the search trends for the alleged guy. On sat Oct 13, 33 web searches for his name. That is an awful low number for a bunch of kids looking for this guy on a Saturday night. http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Kody%20Maxson&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q
That they are not fully-formed adults is a red herring because no one wakes up one day a mature, responsible adult. As minors grow, they become steadily more capable of certain things and being held accountable for them. Furthermore, you are treating several different topics as though they require the same level of maturity to handle properly. It is complete and utter bullshit to say that if we can expect a 14 year old to obey rules and laws about assault and battery at the same level as a legal adult that we can expect them to be able to vote or drink alcohol without supervision because there are serious differences of kind between obeying rules and laws on the use of force, drinking and voting.
I just finished reading TFA, and going back to the article TFA links to, and watching the video... My first comment. What. The. Fuck. This wasn't "bullying", this was sexual extortion. I would consider it in the same class of crimes as rape, and should hold similar punishment standards. Not simply bullying. But TFA really confuses me- they keep using the term "bully" and switching between talking about the man who blackmailed her and the people around her who punched and kicked and gave shady glances and posted mean comments on Facebook. The others around her? They were bullies. But nobody seems to be going after them, even if they are the "problem". TFA reeks of "something must be done about this problem and oh here is another worse problem to compare it to that led to this one". And I feel that the article is pushing a "Cyberbullying must be stopped" agenda, which is a shame, because it detracts from the tragedy rather than adds anything to it. When I read it, I read "I have an agenda and I'm using this incident of malice and torment to further my agenda".
Mods - so you think this kid's suicide is Score:5, Funny? What the hell is wrong with you?
Republican leadership = Idiocracy
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For no particular reason, and I'm not saying it necessarily has any particular relevance, the scene in "Alices's Restaurant" where Arlo gently rebuffs Reenie, the 14-year old teenybopper, comes to mind. It seems some 32 year old boys may not be as sensitive, or, maybe they are, and the wrong goats are being scaped here, given TwitFace culture. I dunno, I wasn't there, but I'm glad I'm not him, and I'm glad I'm not her daddy.
I definitely have serious reservations about Anonymous' behavior, though. Assuming it really is Anonymous. Channeling Oprah, John Walsh and Matthew Hopkins is not the way to earn good karma. They'll find that out soon enough, though.
Maybe her parents should have named her "John", or "Jack". Whjy not take it a step further and name your baby girl "Male"?
One minute they harass and bully "Jessi Slaughter" for being an underage camwhore, even making threatening phone calls all hours of the night, sending pizzas, threatening violence/rape/etc.
The underage nudes were given to police and anon for Jessi taken from her parents and placed in foster care for a couple months but then her dad died and she moved back home and changed schools.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Jessi_Slaughter
real anon would not be moral, this is some offshoot claiming to be anon, and not the real anon.
The real anon would have pushed her to suicide and laughed about it and posted it on ED
like they already have:
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Amanda_Todd
this offshoot trying to post dox isn't the real anon.
A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.
Not saying I agree with it, but the analogy fits fairly well.
Why exactly is the lock associated with (as I presume you must mean) the female, while the male gets to be the key? Why not the other way round? When you think about it, the whole analogy makes very little sense, in fact it's really nothing but thinly disguised male-supremacist propaganda. I'm guessing you probably first learned it from some religious text or religious authority figure, very likely Christian. Which is rather interesting, don't you think?
Let the law work. That's what it's for. How dare anonymous think that they have some right or obligation to do what they did. Suppose they have the wrong guy? This very thing has happened before and is why we have the law in the first place. Suppose this fellow they think did it gets whacked, then they find out he wasn't even the guy? That has happened before too.
Learn from the past, don't repeat bad parts of it.
Why exactly is the lock associated with (as I presume you must mean) the female, while the male gets to be the key? Why not the other way round?
There's no gender conspiracy involved. It's entirely a product of society. Now, you'll have to pick your favourite theory as to why women are generally viewed as the gatekeepers of sex (and I'm not saying I agree with them or am taking a prescriptive stance on gender roles here), but perception tends to be reality in many social constructs. It's entirely plausible to imagine a society and/or biology where males are the sexual gatekeepers; but we don't happen to live in one of those realities at this period of time.
When you think about it, the whole analogy makes very little sense, in fact it's really nothing but thinly disguised male-supremacist propaganda.
Again, no conspiracy on my part. It's just humour - admittedly poor humour (but that's sort of the point) - that answers the question that was asked. The interpretation that it's callous, misogynistic, etc is entirely valid, but it's also a part of the explanation - the insensitivity of the joke is a clue as to why it happens to be true. Chalk that up to whatever gender-inequality theory that you prefer.
I'm guessing you probably first learned it from some religious text or religious authority figure, very likely Christian.
An interesting theory, and a perfectly reasonable guess, but sadly it's not accurate. I'm not religious (I'm an atheist at best; an anti-theist at worst) nor was I brought up to be. As for the quote, I bumped into it somewhere else on the internet.
I understand why you would be offended. I knew full well that it was a risque comment (you should see the moderation I received for it. I think I actually managed to get every single mod possible!) and that's fine, I have karma to burn and usually I'm not easily offended. The point wasn't to incite anyone though. Mostly it was just a bit of lame humour, but buried deep down there was a backhanded comment on society too. My apologies if I missed the mark on that.
According to wikipedia, the main issue of her flashing the camera, I can forgive that - bad decisions and all that, though I find it rather disturbing the person knew so much about her - either it was someone she knew or she was extremely careless about her personal information. Especially that part about the message being sent to the entire school - that sounds like a fellow student.
Then there was the sex, why on earth would she do that? I don't care if she knew about the girlfriend or not, but you'd think she would have learned that people only wanted to take advantage of her and she gave them what they want.
Now the cops have no choice but to look into the info that anonymous has posted, and i can guarantee you Anonymous were thorough.... .....either way Anonymous did the right thing...
If the cops still do nothing after this, then they are douche bags.... and let Anonymous continue
give up info to get the guy arrested....cops go after that info, arrest the guy....
or give up info to get the guy arrested....cops dont go after the guy, but vigilantes do,
either way, that guy will get whats coming to him.
Good job guys! ~~_\|/_~~
Anonymous did the right thing: shutdown that sex starved monkey (turned predator of vulnerable little girls). My question is why the hell didn't law enforcement catch that asshole with all their invasion of privacy snooping, & crime servers running precrime psyche algorithms? Could it be they don't know what the hell they are doing? Regardless, anonymous could have forwarded the info to law enforcement discreetly just in case the suspect was set up by a hacker. But that runs the risk of authorities dragging their feet for inexcusablely dumb reasons while that asshole assaults other girls in this particular way. Say no to accepting casualties for a flawed system. Whenever you get a chance to stop an innocent girl's life from being taken, you intervene without hesitation.
if somebody is being stupid (because they are a kid) then it should not prevent them from getting a decent job later
but if they are an Evil Genius In Training then a "sealed" juvie record can get Unsealed
(i think in Criminal Minds Penelope cracked a few Juvie records for some of the UnSubs.)
Thats why Trial as An Adult is a weapon in the Juvie system.
Any person using FTFY or editing my postings agrees to a US$50.00 charge
They already realized it's a lead that was a waste of time and could have potentially ruined that guys life.
Thank You Anonymous :) Sometimes you need to be our justice when justice fails us...
Bless
Perhaps this is a wake up call to the government to start treating cases such as this seriously instead of simply giving them lip service.
There's no reason that abusers should be able to hide behind their computer screens and wreak havoc on anyone they choose as a victim without consequence.
If someone communicates with someone else, they should be identifiable to the person to whom they choose to communicate so that the recipient might make an informed decision as to whether or not they want the communication. Same goes for the telephone. No spoofing allowed. If you choose to block your number, it's shown as blocked, otherwise your number and identity is clearly displayed.
If you want privacy, don't use public communications channels.
I'm a retired Texas lawyer with more personal and professional knowledge about suicide than anyone should have, and a strong believer in personal privacy. I'm not up on the details of British Columbia and Canadian law but they do not have some of the restrictions on search and seizure, or liberal protections for speech and press, that we do in the U.S., and have outlawed some forms of actual or alleged hate speech that, for better or worse, we cannot. Here in Texas, it has long been a crime either to aid or to abet or encourage in individual to commit suicide, which law provides only a fine unless death or serious bodily injury results, in which event the crime in a felony carrying up to a ten year prison term. Our family and penal law also cover serious psychological child abuswe resulting in harm. Missouri enacted a law dealing with encouraging suicide after the infamous Lori Drew case. Trust me on this one, a vulnerable child or teen, etc., can be pushed to commit suicide by psychological child abuse. I have known and represented several children who had survived serious suicide attempts. One child client begged me to kill her. The best evidence available to me indicates that the completed suicide of one Texas child at nine was essentially the product of psychological abuse by peers. Indeed, any such attempt or completed suicide should be investigated for underlying child abuse. I was very close to one case where a six year old child was terrorized and thus prevented from reporting and identifying the perpetrator of sexual abuse and it turned out that the abuser making the threat was too young to qualify as a juvenile delinquent. Unfortunately, in my view, I cannot find a reported case where anyone has been prosecuted for or convicted of psychological child abuse. This is a much more serious problem than most people understand and realize.