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The Pirate Bay Starts Using Virtualized Servers

concealment writes with news of those Swedish pirates improving their infrastructure. From the article: "The Pirate Bay has made an important change to its infrastructure. The world's most famous BitTorrent site has switched its entire operation to the cloud. From now on The Pirate Bay will serve its users from several cloud hosting providers scattered around the world. The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids — all while keeping user data secure." They are still running their own dedicated load balancers that forward encrypted traffic to one of their "cloud" providers, rather than dealing with physical colocation. Seems like a sensible decision any IT manager would make.

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  1. Invulnerable? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids

    Wanna bet on that?

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    1. Re:Invulnerable? by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a little sad when you have to write police raids into your disaster recovery policy. Especially when it's one of the more likely disasters.

    2. Re:Invulnerable? by Karzz1 · · Score: 2

      Coming from a guy named Roscoe P. Coltrane, I am going to give TPB the benefit of the doubt! :P

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    3. Re:Invulnerable? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      Yeah I will bet on it. I believe he is saying the site can't be taken down by a police raid, thanks to the distributed setup. He's not saying that any individual instance is invulnerable to a raid. Just that the availability of the site wouldn't be affected by a raid. I guess this is at least one of the reasons they migrated to magnet links.

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    4. Re:Invulnerable? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite frankly, anybody not really, really big has to. With "cloud" servers not on your own private cloud, everybody has to.

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    5. Re:Invulnerable? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a little sad when you have to write police raids into your disaster recovery policy. Especially when it's one of the more likely disasters.

      Come on, that's a bit disingenuous here. It'd be very sad if the concern was fully legit (and actually the problem of police interference isn't new - see the Steve Jackson Games incident, but at best TPB sits in a gray area, to put it kindly.

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    6. Re:Invulnerable? by crazyjj · · Score: 2

      At the end of the day, you need an IP address, and physical server(s) somewhere. The only way to make yourself invulnerable is to take yourself off the net completely, and that would rather defeat the purpose, no?

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    7. Re:Invulnerable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When it becomes this difficult to take down a site we (pro free-communication types) can re-raise the question of whether or not government (assuming the government where you live is trying to take down the pirate bay internationally) should even attempt it, this time adding "gross waste of the taxpayer's money" to the pile of outrageously unethical acts.

      I'm glad to see that there are so many freedom-loving groups of people out there that are actively improving infrastructure like this and offer my support.

    8. Re:Invulnerable? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a little sad when you have to write police raids into your disaster recovery policy. Especially when it's one of the more likely disasters.

      Sad, but true. It has already been amply demonstrated that you can end up offline because someone else in the farm got raided and the police simply confiscated things wholesale.

    9. Re:Invulnerable? by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey. You. Got off of my cloud.

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    10. Re:Invulnerable? by icebraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, you can have many physical servers with many IPs.

      Eventually people will start using distributed torrent discovery (see Tribler), which coupled with integrated torrent signing for the release groups to authenticate theirs, will be invulnerable to such raids.

    11. Re:Invulnerable? by helix2301 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think it's funny that pirate bay has better disaster plan then most legitimate businesses I know of in my area.

    12. Re:Invulnerable? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They may not even know. Remember when Amazon was hosting Wikileaks? Uh, we are? They said. Setting it up is all pretty automated, it might stay there until someone explicitly looks for it. After all, from the cloud perspective they are just renting an IP and some data storage, they wouldn't necessarily know that it was TPB unless they read the data. Which they aren't supposed to do.

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    13. Re:Invulnerable? by suutar · · Score: 2

      practice makes perfect :)

  2. Re:TPB owners living the life by fred911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And your point is (besides the one on the top of your head)? Now, go sit in the corner untill you have a topic worthy of discussion. I've had far to much of the "holier then thou", slander them with drug use western attitude.

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  3. Re:Tor by PieOk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is there a tor hidden service TPB hosted from an undisclosed location?

    Tor hidden service is only secure for end users, not to the service itself. While TOR admins say it should be secure, the attack vectors are fairly well known and USA has the means to discover the real ip behind TOR hidden services.

  4. Re:Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Silkroad is still operating, therefore I suspect you don't know what you're talking about.

  5. Re:Invulnerable?-TPB giving P2P bad name. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now why does a site that is only used for legal purposes (hosting Linux ISOs is the usual excuse) need to be immune from police raids?

    In case you haven't got the memo, the police (among others) doesn't give a flying fuck about legality when it comes to all things internet. Witness the Megaupload fiasco, witness the RIAA willingness to put offline through its government bought agencies legal sites for years at a time. Proactive mesures are necessary, lest your online presence be tossed in a moat never to be seen/heard from again. But hey, what's that they say about collateral damage anyway ?

  6. What kind of RAID by aktiveradio · · Score: 4, Funny

    You think they are using RAID5 or RAID10 to stop the police?

  7. Re:Wow. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

    Megaupload should have seen this earlier!

    LOL I think they were 'running' before they were walking.

  8. Re:TPB owners living the life by VMaN · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can use the word "steal" all you want.

    But as long as the artists still have their works, you're using the wrong word.

    And when people are using it wrong on purpose, it makes me care just a little bit less every time.

  9. Good to study by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is actually good area to research for everyday organizations that are not about to be on the receiving end of a police raid. The reason is simple, the most common disaster (not failure) that strikes most servers is the legal subpoena. Can your business survive a legal subpoena that would take a large portion of your data?

    This is not an idle consideration, it's actually a very common consideration. Places like OnTrack do far more business recovering data for legal services like subpoenas than they do with disk failures. You usually get a certain amount of time (couple weeks or so) to respond to a subpoena with the requested data. If you don't get the request filled in time, or if the other side convinces the judge you might mess with the data they will simply seize your servers / data by court order?

    Can you survive this? If you can survive this scenario, than chances are you can recover from just about any other reasonable disaster you might encounter. The pirate bay scenario is one that should be studied from a disaster recovery standpoint, regardless of your stance on piracy.

    1. Re:Good to study by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      The Internet was designed with a very specific failure mode in mind: big cities and their switching centers being obliterated, i.e. nuked, and the need to route around the damage.

      You're confusing the Internet and ARPANET. The Internet does not offer the same level of redundancy or fail overs in such a situation because it's all about having uplinks with various IXPs and uplink providers that didn't exist on ARPAnet - There was no need to have formal agreements to do any sort of fail over on ARPAnet. The Internet is not designed the same way, the network topology is different, hell, even the protocol was different (NCP).

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    2. Re:Good to study by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      TCP on the internet will still do re-routing around failed paths. You fail.

      Not without negotiated peering which ARPAnet didn't require, it won't. And considering that most IXPs are in major cities, and service providers don't usually peer with more than one IXP, nor do back bone providers provide redundant connections geographically like traditional ARPAnet... One nuke, yeah, I don't expect magic rerouting to happen.

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  10. Re:TPB owners living the life by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

    Hey look, I can STEAL your name by copying it: AcidPenguin9873

    How does it feel to have your name stolen?

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  11. Re:TPB owners living the life by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 2

    Note I said "If what GP says is true". I obviously have no sources to cite to verify the original post. But the responder asked what his point was (in a rather snarky ill-mannered way) so I responded with the obvious answer.

  12. Pirates and Porn by unixhero · · Score: 2

    Pirates and Online Porn has always been at the forefront of internet technologies.

  13. Re:TPB owners living the life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    From here on out I am calling copyright infringement RAPE. Because, after all, that's how I want to frame it. Every time you infringe a copyright, you are raping the artist. And it should carry the same punishment of up to life in prison (or, as has been proposed in some states, death.) Because I say so.

    Death to the artist-raping file-sharers!

  14. Woo hoo! More software without paying! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, you go TPB. That just means more software for the taking without having to pay someone for it. It doesn't matter if it took you 2-3 years to make that new game, my first thought won't be, "How much is it?" but, "Where can I get the torrent?" And you'll help me find it.

    To the guy who was asking how to get paid for free software, you want paid for something I can get for free? Hahahaha! Sucker. No one pays for software any more. We just take what we want because we don't care if you get paid or not.

    Go TPB! Long live not having to pay someone for their efforts!

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  15. Re:TPB owners living the life by puppybeard · · Score: 2

    What I don't like about TBP is how they were bank-rolled by a man who can be reasonably called a neo-nazi.

    Imagine the outcry if Sony had somebody like Carl Lundstrom on their board.

  16. Re:Woo hoo! More software without paying! by twocows · · Score: 2

    Nobody thinks content providers don't deserve money. People resort to piracy for all sorts of reasons: availability, lack of funds, convenience, try-before-you-buy, etc. I don't think anyone pirates purely out of spite for someone, and if they did they'd be pretty darn stupid.

  17. Re:Invulnerable?-TPB giving P2P bad name. by Githaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do have something to hide. I don't intentionally show my naked body to strangers. Just because someone wants to hide something it doesn't mean it is illegal.

  18. Re:TPB owners living the life by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    If what GP says is true, then TPB is making profits (via ad revnue) by enabling people to steal (yes, steal! I said STEAL when referring to copyright infringement!) the creations of others.

    Mod me redundant because I and many others have often belabored this point, but AcidPengion is FUCKING WRONG and looks like an idiot.

    Look, Penguin (please change your user name, you're making Linux users look bad), here's how copyright infringement works. I buy (BUY AND PAY FOR) a CD or DVD, make a copy and GIVE it to you. I have infringed copyright, you have not. You have stolen nothing; it was freely given. I have stolen nothing; I paid for my copy.

    Now tell me, Acidhead, how has either party stolen anything?

    Here's how you steal music -- you go into Best Buy and shoplift a CD. That is indeed stealing. Best Buy no longer has the CD they paid for, it's gone. If you're caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor and will pay a few hundred bucks in fines.

    When you download a CD's worth of music you didn't steal that music, it was given to you. But say you're uploading and get caught -- that's copyright infringement. Nobody has lost anything, and will likely in fact produce sales, as one book publisher discovered when he commissioned a study to find out how much file sharing was costing him. Unlike stealing music, if you get caught infringing copyright you'll be out thousands of dollars.

    They are profiting off of the work of the artists and creators without giving any of that money to the creators themselves.

    If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.

    I have yet to hear about TPB paying creators any money.

    They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising. You're not going to pay for a song from a band you never heard, but if someone tells you about them and you DL their work, you're very likely to spend money on them unless they suck* -- money they would not have earned without the help of the Pirate Bay.

    Now go tell your MAFIAA masters you failed in your shillage, tool.

    * I do perfectly understand why a talentless hack would be against file sharing. The only way for them to make money is to sell you a pig in a poke.

  19. Re:Woo hoo! More software without paying! by Tom · · Score: 2

    I live in a city with a strong gaming development community. The business models are shifting, but the general trend is up rather then down.

    Also, I sell some software. No DRM or anything. It is probably out there on a torrent somewhere. Do I care? Nope. I make money and I realize that most of the people who torrent it very likely would not buy it even if the torrent would't exist.

    Copying has been an issue for commercial software development pretty much since the cassette tape. If you look at the world around you, it hasn't exactly killed the software industry.

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