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The Pirate Bay Starts Using Virtualized Servers
concealment writes with news of those Swedish pirates improving their infrastructure. From the article: "The Pirate Bay has made an important change to its infrastructure. The world's most famous BitTorrent site has switched its entire operation to the cloud. From now on The Pirate Bay will serve its users from several cloud hosting providers scattered around the world. The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids — all while keeping user data secure."
They are still running their own dedicated load balancers that forward encrypted traffic to one of their "cloud" providers, rather than dealing with physical colocation. Seems like a sensible decision any IT manager would make.
Is there a tor hidden service TPB hosted from an undisclosed location?
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The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids
Wanna bet on that?
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
And your point is (besides the one on the top of your head)? Now, go sit in the corner untill you have a topic worthy of discussion. I've had far to much of the "holier then thou", slander them with drug use western attitude.
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Now the (police,feds,both,etc) are going to shut down multiple cloud-hosting data centers just to prove they are still king. Watch. Just watch.
because "legal" means different things out side the USA.
Well, you earned you paycheck for today, shill. Go take the rest of the day off and rest beside the pool.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
Now why does a site that is only used for legal purposes (hosting Linux ISOs is the usual excuse) need to be immune from police raids?
In case you haven't got the memo, the police (among others) doesn't give a flying fuck about legality when it comes to all things internet. Witness the Megaupload fiasco, witness the RIAA willingness to put offline through its government bought agencies legal sites for years at a time. Proactive mesures are necessary, lest your online presence be tossed in a moat never to be seen/heard from again. But hey, what's that they say about collateral damage anyway ?
Does that affect my ISP's government-prescribed Piratebay blocking? I'm sure there are ways around that anyway, and people are likely to educate me about those below, but will this make any difference here (in the UK)?
Use TOR to access the piratebay and download the torrent/magnet files.
Close TOR, fire up bittorrent and you're good to go.
Using Firefox makes it a breeze, using Opera is a little bit more complex but in the end works just as well.
You think they are using RAID5 or RAID10 to stop the police?
Sounds like foggy thinking to me.
It won't affect the gov-prescribed blocking... about your education: (but I don't know the magic beneath it) you can probably access it through http://tpb.pirateparty.be/
Mostly pointless. Just hijack thepiratebay.org and thepiratebay.se DNS registry and be done with it.
Serious, serious overhead issues. i2p would fall apart under the load mass-torrenting would place upon it.
You can use the word "steal" all you want.
But as long as the artists still have their works, you're using the wrong word.
And when people are using it wrong on purpose, it makes me care just a little bit less every time.
This is actually good area to research for everyday organizations that are not about to be on the receiving end of a police raid. The reason is simple, the most common disaster (not failure) that strikes most servers is the legal subpoena. Can your business survive a legal subpoena that would take a large portion of your data?
This is not an idle consideration, it's actually a very common consideration. Places like OnTrack do far more business recovering data for legal services like subpoenas than they do with disk failures. You usually get a certain amount of time (couple weeks or so) to respond to a subpoena with the requested data. If you don't get the request filled in time, or if the other side convinces the judge you might mess with the data they will simply seize your servers / data by court order?
Can you survive this? If you can survive this scenario, than chances are you can recover from just about any other reasonable disaster you might encounter. The pirate bay scenario is one that should be studied from a disaster recovery standpoint, regardless of your stance on piracy.
Jealous much?
Well if you look for the IP address of tpb.pirateparty.org.uk and paste that into your browser it may work. I wouldn't know.
Is there an actual source for the claim that money are going to drugs and houses?
Hey look, I can STEAL your name by copying it: AcidPenguin9873
How does it feel to have your name stolen?
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You're making the unsubstantiated leap from "TPB had an income" and "they have some money" to "their money came from TPB".
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Note I said "If what GP says is true". I obviously have no sources to cite to verify the original post. But the responder asked what his point was (in a rather snarky ill-mannered way) so I responded with the obvious answer.
Because just being on the same rack as a "presumed illegal" website can put you offline. Ask the Pinboard guy when the FBI seized the whole blade, putting dozens of websites offline.
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If you've got nothing to hide, you won't mind us strip-searching you.
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It's obvious where your transit router is. They can monitor IP addresses, connection times and bandwidth to determine the load balancer. From the load balancer they can find the virtual machines which you use as muscle for the search engine and backend processing.
Any VM image can be accessed live. They can inject all the Trojans they want and track everything. But most importantly they can monitor where the admin commands come from. Have to assume they/you use tor or a botnet proxy. But everyone slips when it comes to security. Just takes one ping from a non anonymized computer to catch the scent. Then they can piece together all the admins one by one within three months.
Now of course there is more to your security than this. But let's not call your implementation here security.
What I would call it is robust and practical.
What I think would be more impressive is if you implemented your own voluntary cloud with all your willing users out there.
Pirates and Online Porn has always been at the forefront of internet technologies.
From here on out I am calling copyright infringement RAPE. Because, after all, that's how I want to frame it. Every time you infringe a copyright, you are raping the artist. And it should carry the same punishment of up to life in prison (or, as has been proposed in some states, death.) Because I say so.
Death to the artist-raping file-sharers!
Yeah, you go TPB. That just means more software for the taking without having to pay someone for it. It doesn't matter if it took you 2-3 years to make that new game, my first thought won't be, "How much is it?" but, "Where can I get the torrent?" And you'll help me find it.
To the guy who was asking how to get paid for free software, you want paid for something I can get for free? Hahahaha! Sucker. No one pays for software any more. We just take what we want because we don't care if you get paid or not.
Go TPB! Long live not having to pay someone for their efforts!
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
GP didn't actually say they got the money from TPB, just implied it.
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They need to have servers on the move, in vehicles, and high capacity SD cards, etc.
If you want to make a point use the right words. Semantics are not optional and much less irrelevant. If you are not even able to be precise in your arguments you should and will be ignored.
Wrong. I'll fix it for you.
more software for the taking without having to pay someone for a copy of it.
No one pays for a copy of software any more.
And then you make this leap:
Long live not having to pay someone for their efforts!
On the contrary, we feel that creators deserve compensation for their efforts. Yes, many people do pirate and pay nothing. Many would pay something if it was possible, but often it is not, and that's the fault of industry. We disagree with the business model, that is, copyright and charging for each copy as the means of compensation.
Established businesses have sought to abuse this model to not pass on any savings whatsoever from technology driving down the cost of creating a copy to near zero. When the CD was first created, they set the price at $15 per album (LPs were about half that at the time), and promised that as production costs came down, they would pass some of that savings on to us. That never happened. Even as stacks of blank CD-Rs dived under $0.25 per disk, albums were still about $15, and to add to the insult, 90% of it was filler material to appease fans who really only wanted the one good song on the album. And then we hear that the industry cheats the very artists we're trying to support! As if that wasn't enough, they've tried to terrorize us all with lawsuits and police raids, attempted to infect our computers with viruses (Sony rootkit, you know), annoyed us with DRM that goes too far, pushed extreme laws that trample upon our freedoms (ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, DMCA, and more) and extended copyright to ludicrous lengths, and when they couldn't get their way by force, resorted to laughably bad propaganda. And they still think that preserving copyright justifies all their anti-social efforts and extremism. It took distribution of music in the mp3 format to break their schemes and force them to stop wasting money on things like all the elaborate anti-theft measures such as the oversized packaging and sensors for their precious disks, to say nothing of the disks themselves. They deserve to go out of business.
And you want to apologize for them?
Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
You can just point your browser at tpb.pirateparty.org.uk - that works for me and I'm on Virgin Media.
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Maybe now they're saving money they can disable the 888 Poker pop-ups that occur when you click on anything on the site? So. Damn. Annoying.
What I don't like about TBP is how they were bank-rolled by a man who can be reasonably called a neo-nazi.
Imagine the outcry if Sony had somebody like Carl Lundstrom on their board.
Nobody thinks content providers don't deserve money. People resort to piracy for all sorts of reasons: availability, lack of funds, convenience, try-before-you-buy, etc. I don't think anyone pirates purely out of spite for someone, and if they did they'd be pretty darn stupid.
I'm not sure which part of 'being arrested and thrown in jail' you consider 'living the good life'.
I do have something to hide. I don't intentionally show my naked body to strangers. Just because someone wants to hide something it doesn't mean it is illegal.
If what GP says is true, then TPB is making profits (via ad revnue) by enabling people to steal (yes, steal! I said STEAL when referring to copyright infringement!) the creations of others.
Mod me redundant because I and many others have often belabored this point, but AcidPengion is FUCKING WRONG and looks like an idiot.
Look, Penguin (please change your user name, you're making Linux users look bad), here's how copyright infringement works. I buy (BUY AND PAY FOR) a CD or DVD, make a copy and GIVE it to you. I have infringed copyright, you have not. You have stolen nothing; it was freely given. I have stolen nothing; I paid for my copy.
Now tell me, Acidhead, how has either party stolen anything?
Here's how you steal music -- you go into Best Buy and shoplift a CD. That is indeed stealing. Best Buy no longer has the CD they paid for, it's gone. If you're caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor and will pay a few hundred bucks in fines.
When you download a CD's worth of music you didn't steal that music, it was given to you. But say you're uploading and get caught -- that's copyright infringement. Nobody has lost anything, and will likely in fact produce sales, as one book publisher discovered when he commissioned a study to find out how much file sharing was costing him. Unlike stealing music, if you get caught infringing copyright you'll be out thousands of dollars.
They are profiting off of the work of the artists and creators without giving any of that money to the creators themselves.
If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.
I have yet to hear about TPB paying creators any money.
They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising. You're not going to pay for a song from a band you never heard, but if someone tells you about them and you DL their work, you're very likely to spend money on them unless they suck* -- money they would not have earned without the help of the Pirate Bay.
Now go tell your MAFIAA masters you failed in your shillage, tool.
* I do perfectly understand why a talentless hack would be against file sharing. The only way for them to make money is to sell you a pig in a poke.
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Hey, we tried to pay them!
We figured, if all we get is a mere copy (that took no work to make) of information (that took work to make),
we'd pay the same way: With a mere copy (that took no work to make) of out money (that took work to make).
Then they bitched and whined and blabbered about intellectual "property", as if they could "own" information,
despite physical evidence showing that that is ludicrous impossible concept, when you give out that information to *everyone*.
Then we found out, that the money doesn't even go to the original makers of said information, but merely to the *distributors*. Who, clearly, didn't move a *single finger* for it.
And we stopped caring about them and their organized crime.
Moral of the story: If you're too fuckin' stupid, to use a business model, that resides in *reality*... then go fuck yourself and die in a corner!
Cause nobody cares about you bitching and whining because you can't STEAL real actual *physical* money that took real work to make from people while doing ABSOLUTELY NO WORK IN RETURN!
Why? Because it is unfathomable that there can be both good and bad sides to a person?
I mean, (as far as I know atleast) he has never used TPB to promote his political agenda. Which I appreciate.
You cant blame for the illegality of it when most artist are not even given the choice at all. Monopolies and oligopolies are forcing people to live their ways, and other people is abusing the fact by breaking laws, stupid laws most of the time.
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I live in a city with a strong gaming development community. The business models are shifting, but the general trend is up rather then down.
Also, I sell some software. No DRM or anything. It is probably out there on a torrent somewhere. Do I care? Nope. I make money and I realize that most of the people who torrent it very likely would not buy it even if the torrent would't exist.
Copying has been an issue for commercial software development pretty much since the cassette tape. If you look at the world around you, it hasn't exactly killed the software industry.
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Wow, someone who understands the issue. Very rare.
People need to quit complaining about piracy its just an excuse to not take responsibility for your own success, crybaby attitudes.
Your example applies to used CDs, used vinyl, used tapes. Used physical items. Not to digital music. There is no such thing as used digital music. You guys said it yourself - people aren't supposed to be able to "own" bits of information, so why on earth should I consider your used-physical-product example as relevant to this discussion?
You might want to check out ReDigi before making that assertion again.This one is already wending its way through the court system (Capitol Records brought the suit).
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looks like someone's feelings were hurt. developers need to start from here on out with the idea that people are going to pirate stuff. make it free in the first place and find a different way to make money. stop fighting against the way technology moves. bit-torrent technology is amazing. as time goes on people figure out new ways to do stuff and its time for the producers of software/movies/music to realize that they are prey and move on to a different business model.
uhu i wonder why he forgot the childporn pedophile sextourism accusation for thailand there
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?