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UK Gov't Official Advises Using Fake Details On Social Networks

another random user writes "A senior government official has sparked anger by advising internet users to give fake details to websites to protect their security. Andy Smith, an internet security chief at the Cabinet Office, said people should only give accurate details to trusted sites such as government ones. He said names and addresses posted on social networking sites 'can be used against you' by criminals. ... 'When you put information on the internet do not use your real name, your real date of birth,' he told a Parliament and the Internet Conference in Portcullis House, Westminster. 'When you are putting information on social networking sites don't put real combinations of information, because it can be used against you.' But he stressed that internet users should always give accurate information when they were filling in government forms on the internet, such a tax returns."

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  1. Sure, great for the UK by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about in the U.S., where the corporations ARE the government?

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    1. Re:Sure, great for the UK by schwit1 · · Score: 2

      Criminally charged is more like it. The US DOJ says that violating website's terms of service is a felony under the the computer fraud and abuse act. Using fake data violates most web sites' TOS.

    2. Re:Sure, great for the UK by sentientbeing · · Score: 2

      Then they can prosecute me under my fake name. We're even.

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  2. Sadly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The social networks are getting smarter, and even if you don't give them the information, they may already have it. Unless you're doing this and not associating with anyone who knows you in real life, they will be able to match you up to your real self.

    1. Re:Sadly by ciderbrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      That right. FB didn't have my really birthday until others entered it into their calendar. I still get emails from friends asking me if I've moved? Well maybe I want to be a 48 year old women from Kenya! No website get real info. All websites get misspelt something in the name or address to track how that data is moved about. Sadly I "need" to use FB to organise and keep up with other people. I'd rather in not be on FB; but I can't stop the 300 people I network with from using it.

    2. Re:Sadly by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

      No you can't - people will send messages to facebook not your phone, even if you tell them not too! People post last minute booking changes of their event to their facebook page, even asking for extra acts which I'd miss out on an extra booking. Facebook is where a lot of business goes on. I don't like it; but that is where other people are sorting things out. To not be a part of that meas I'd miss out on a lot of things. I still think its crap for sorting out gigs.

  3. awesome, advocate violating the terms of service by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that is a considered a felony hacking crime in some countries.

  4. He's wrong by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You shouldn't (always) trust the government either.

    1. Re:He's wrong by godrik · · Score: 4, Funny

      maybe, but lying on tax forms is typically a very bad idea!

    2. Re:He's wrong by daem0n1x · · Score: 2

      I was born in February, 12th of –2,147,483,648. At least that's what my tax return web page says.

    3. Re:He's wrong by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      ..the UK government does not have a good record for securing peoples data, there are numerous cases of officials leaving it on trains, sending it unencrypted through the post, etc ...

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  5. My details... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are more likely to be accidentally left in a pub by an MP on an unencrypted laptop than to be gained illegitimately from my Facebook account.

    1. Re:My details... by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      but if you include "intentionally sold without my consent", chances are equal again.

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    2. Re:My details... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesn't even have to be an MP. I'm a local party officer for one of the major parties; I get a full copy of the electoral roll for the district every year and updates when it changes. Although I at least keep my copy inside a TrueCrypt volume.

  6. The real story... by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The other story here is that in response some whiny bitch of a Labour MP said she was shocked that a government worker would dare make a suggestion that we try and protect our privacy and anonymity because anyone doing so is obviously a cyber bully and has something to hide.

    Which reminds me once again why I don't know if it's worth even voting next election because it's a choice between spoilt milionaires who were born with a silver spoon yet still want more and seem to spend more time legislating about what furry animals they can kill next rather than doing much of actual value, and fascists that want to control every aspect of our lives and pay us enough benefits to bankrupt the country if we can't be arsed to work.

    Honestly, for once a government official speaks sense, and still it gets turned into party political bollocks trying to take a swipe at them over it.

    This guy, whoever he is, for PM. He's made the most sense of any government worker I've ever seen.

    1. Re:The real story... by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      ...they're ALL fascists.

      And so are those that vote for them and otherwise enable the system. Fascism is like belly buttons. Some are innies, and some are outies.

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    2. Re:The real story... by robthebloke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look, I grew up in the countryside, and I see the damage foxes can do to livestock, so in principle I have nothing against the killing of foxes. I don't however think that donning a red coat, drinking a glass of sherry, jumping on a horse, sounding your bugles, and letting loose a pack of dogs is the most humane way of going about it. It was pompous, outdated, and completely unnessecary.

    3. Re:The real story... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      The MP suggested using fake IDs, except for government stuff. Maybe you need to use a fake government as well, instead of the real one?

      Although, from what you describe, it sounds like your government is, in fact, already fake.

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    4. Re:The real story... by hippo · · Score: 2

      But a lot of fun for those who enjoyed it. And anyway it was with hunting horns and hounds. Not my cup of tea but I would rather our elected leaders spend their time on more important things.

    5. Re:The real story... by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      I grew up in the country in England, and in my area that was done once or twice a year. The rest of the year the foxes where still hunted by hounds on a more or less weekly basis.

      The issue is that we need to control the fox population given we have removed all their natural predators. As the government independent scientific report at the time found, hunting with dogs was not more cruel than shooting, and poisoning was not good for other wildlife. One the has to ask what is the rational basis for banning hunting foxes with dogs?

      As a animal cruelty issue, there is far more cruelty of domesticated animals and pets by orders of magnitude that there was from hunting with dogs so why concentrate on this?

      The reality is that it was indeed does as a class warfare issue.

    6. Re:The real story... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      chase by hounds is survival of the fittest you will be more likely to kill the old or weak

      If foxes are so fucking evil, why would you want the strong ones to survive?

      Anyway, that's crap, when people go hunting with guns they are quite capable of discriminating between old weak animals and young healthy ones, and even if they get it wrong, so will packhounds quite often.

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  7. Dear faux-outraged MPs... by pla · · Score: 2

    Dear faux-outraged MPs...

    Don't worry. Everyone already does this. Your precious little databases of everything, everywhere, already contain 100% pure unadulterated shit (actually only 95% shit, but since you can't easily tell which morons gave real info, you can't trust any of it). So really, you haven't lost anything.

    Boo-hoo. Back to social control the old fashioned way - Poisoning kids' minds via the school system, and having the boys in blue damage the minds of those that escape with some shreds of individuality intact.

    1. Re:Dear faux-outraged MPs... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aw, isn't that quaint - you actually seem to believe this.

      Don't worry. Everyone already does this. Your precious little databases of everything, everywhere, already contain 100% pure unadulterated shit (actually only 95% shit, but since you can't easily tell which morons gave real info, you can't trust any of it). So really, you haven't lost anything.

      Have you *looked* at facebook? Huge numbers of people proudly post every real, factual detail of their real lives to it.

    2. Re:Dear faux-outraged MPs... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Have you *looked* at facebook? Huge numbers of people proudly post every real, factual detail of their real lives to it.

      Have you looked at Facebook? Most of what people post is clearly fabricated. You did 112 on the motorway in your shitty 15 year old Fiesta? Katy snogged Dave at that party? This photo is representative of your normal appearance?

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  8. Really.. by f3rret · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one who does this already? I habitually lie, I mean I might add my real name if I *have* to, but far as Facebook is concerned I'm a Muslim communist who lives in Pyongyang north Korea.

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  9. Monsignor de Plume by Righ · · Score: 2

    It's possible that Andy Smith isn't his real name.

  10. Steam Users by baoru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone should tell the 27 million Steam users born on January 1st that they should not use their real birthdays.

  11. Re:awesome, advocate violating the terms of servic by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/aaron-swartz-felony/all/

    "The government, however, has interpreted the anti-hacking provisions to include activities such as violating a website’s terms of service or a company’s computer usage policy, a position a federal appeals court in April said means “millions of unsuspecting individuals would find that they are engaging in criminal conduct.”"

  12. Re:awesome, advocate violating the terms of servic by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

  13. Re:awesome, advocate violating the terms of servic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Finish the paragraph.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in limiting reach of the CFAA, said that violations of employee contract agreements and websites’ terms of service were better left to civil lawsuits.

  14. You're doing it wrong by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    The solution is not to fake the data, nor is it to try and restrict visibility.

    The solution is to redefine social networks, and admit that your address, personal info beyond 'I like chocolate etc lulz' is not useful in a social site, and go on.

    But that guts the social networks. They derive their revenue from being able to sell YOU. And they can only sell YOU if they can sell Y O U .

    That means selling your home address, the car you drive, your income and financial details, your friends, your employer, what you *actually* do, vs what you say you like to do, and whether or not you are able to be influenced by the advertisers buying you.

    The first solution to this is to pay you for your data.

    The second soluuion is to hold the purveyors of your data genuinely responsible for misdeeds. Not slap on the wrist fines, but punitive, stockholder-impacting penalties, and then both punitive reporting and montioring. If you don't vhange the rules, you won't change the brhavior.

    And punish their clients as well.

    And none of this will happen for the forseeable future. Just as Do Not Track cannot work, this personal data drives revenue, and makes the 'free' as in beer Internet work. Without it, you subscribe to Facebook, and I am not at all sure that FB is worth $0.19/mo to anyone. Much less the true cost of operation.

    So we either live with this, or get off the networks.

    Now, the real crimes are when your state sells your drivers license info. That is sinful and wrong.

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  15. Re:major points here by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its a federal offense to give incorrect information to a federal official. Or to any entity that has a statutory duty to make reports to the federal government.

    Some businesses have tried to leverage this second point to make the claim that they might have to turn data over to the gov't. So what you have on file with them must be correct. But I don't think courts have backed them up on this one. Yet.

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  16. Re:awesome, advocate violating the terms of servic by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2

    Right, and this tells me I can't violate TOS with a private company .... where exactly? If you actually read the text you provided, you'll see that it doesn't, not even indirectly.

    The remedy for violated ToS is termination of service, as is typically spelled out in the ToS themselves.

  17. Re:In my social network you can do this by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    I built my own social network where you are supposed not to give personal info, have a look a it here:

    www.cratis.eu

    NOTE: for the time being it's only in Portuguese, I will release an English version within 2 months.

    I tried accessing that site but it appears to have been written in some fucked-up version of Spanish.

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