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Trouble For Microsoft Developers With the Windows Store

An anonymous reader writes "This blog post from an un-happy Microsoft developer highlights many of the problems that developers are having with submitting to the new Windows store. His app, that won 2 App X challenges from Microsoft, has been rejected 6 times over 2 months with no clear indications as to the cause. This is even after going through a rigorous early-certification process. With Windows RT relying solely on apps from the store, and there being just over 7,000 apps total, Microsoft could have a big problem here."

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  1. only 7000 apps? by wardk · · Score: 5, Funny

    that's only like 3 per RT user?

    the horror

    1. Re:only 7000 apps? by socceroos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't an Apple only problem. With any delivery system, as soon as you hit critical mass people get lost in the din. Look at music, movies, books, etc. It's all the same and Microsoft will have the same problems if they too can get their store off the ground.

    2. Re:only 7000 apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If by 80% you mean 90%, and by "never been downloaded", you mean "downloaded every month", you're spot on!

      http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/12/ios-app-store-boasts-700k-apps-90-downloaded-every-month/

    3. Re:only 7000 apps? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

      "preying on retards has always been profitable."

      Is that how Microsoft initially came to dominate?

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    4. Re:only 7000 apps? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, there is nothing about OSX or iOS that is remotely interesting or useful, and it's all just pretty enclosures making them $40B a year in profit. You are so right and all of Apple's engineers are incompetent!

      Implementing the first iPhone was about 1% ID, 5% hardware, and the rest software by resources. And whatever you think of it personally, it absolutely redefined the mobile industry and has been so ridiculously successful it made Apple the most valuable company in the world. Fools, indeed.

    5. Re:only 7000 apps? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

      The difference is that cattle don't have a sense of taste even though they may taste good.

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  2. "could have a big problem" by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uhm. The OS is released and there's major dumb-fuckery going on in their online store, the ONLY place you can buy apps from for certain versions of the new OS.

    That's not a "could have a big problem" thing.

    That's a "HAS a big problem" thing.

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    1. Re:"could have a big problem" by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a "HAS a big problem" thing.

      Problem, n.: A feature. -- The New Ballmer Dictionary

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    2. Re:"could have a big problem" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been working in the same building as the group developing the Windows Store, and this is a bit surprising. They've been putting a *LOT* of work into it for quite some time, and it seems well-organized, but I'm not a developer myself so that's just my impression.

    3. Re:"could have a big problem" by caballew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see MS and/or PCs being marginalized simply because business won't adopt Win 8 RT if it means their in-house software as well as other specialized software can't be used unless MS approves it in their App store. This might affect individuals but not business clients from small business to enterprise clients. With these restrictions, development for Android will only grow while development for Win 8 RT will whither after the initial rush of early development. Sorta like how SPARC and DEC lost out in the business desktop and small server application race; poor business model equals failure. There are still way too many businesses using XP that haven't even upgraded to Win7 because of legacy and in-house software .

    4. Re:"could have a big problem" by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why do you think that another mobile failure will marginalize MS? None of the previous ones did. Are you under the impression that everybody's going to throw away their PC and start using a tablet? That's not what's happening. PC sales are stagnant because the market's saturated. Tablet sales are booming because it's new use case that users are just beginning to move to. One is not being replaced by the other.

      It's true that this is going to hurt MS. But they'll still collect a tithe for every non-Mac PC sold, and they'll still sell a lot of server licenses. As these markets saturate, they will cease to make MS uber-profitable, but these markets are still big, and will remain so — as will Microsoft.

    5. Re:"could have a big problem" by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For those who prefer metric, that's about 195.6 cm. He's well above 99th percentile for height. Big, too. Kind of an imposing-looking guy, in fact.

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    6. Re:"could have a big problem" by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you under the impression that everybody's going to throw away their PC and start using a tablet?

      Nope, but I ain't gonna buy any PC/Laptop/Tablet/Smartphone with Win8 either.

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    7. Re:"could have a big problem" by Stalks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is one guys story about a single app. I think I will reserve judgement.

  3. Clearly this is Apple's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    First they reject apps on their own store, now they're rejecting apps on Microsoft's store! When will the insanity end?

  4. Existing Functionality. by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried to submit and app called the Windows Store but it was rejected because it duplicated the existing functionality of the Apple App Store.

  5. Developers by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Developers! Developers! Developers!

    Developers?

    [sound of crickets]

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  6. I really tried to care... by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...honestly, but between Apple's psychotic terms and Google's loose terms leading to virus problems, I really just don't care. Someone will come up with a third-party installer that won't require any kind of permission or certification from Redmond, and since the bulk of people who'll have a snowball's chance in hell of actually noticing this deficiency will use that third-party loader, it won't really matter. If anything it'll allow for a separation between the mundane, boring user and the geek, techie, nerd, what have you.

    Is post-geek a label? As in, one who used to pay attention to the excessive details of digging deep into how something works, but now has graduated into the realization that one can do whatever one needs to do with just about any tools or platform or system and no longer has a need to scrutinize so strongly because one's skills are good enough to weather any circumstances regardless of the technological changes?

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    1. Re:I really tried to care... by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In between those I strongly prefer Google's terms.

      First of all the Play Store has little virus issues. No idea on numbers, but it's not that I hear often about viruses in apps. Certainly the more popular apps are generally safe. And Apples app store is also not 100% clean, the vetting process is far from perfect.

      I don't use third-party stores, but I have installed software directly from an app vendor's site. And have installed my own apps directly on my phone, without any issues. Having these possibilities is great. Being limited to a single store, and not being able to easily install apps in any other way, that just sucks.

      Even if the Play Store started vetting their apps, then still not much lost as you're not limited to that store. There are alternatives. Unfortunately MS decides to go the Apple way - forgetting how the openness of Windows is part of what made the platform so ubiquitous.

    2. Re:I really tried to care... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is post-geek a label? As in, one who used to pay attention to the excessive details of digging deep into how something works, but now has graduated into the realization that one can do whatever one needs to do with just about any tools or platform or system and no longer has a need to scrutinize so strongly because one's skills are good enough to weather any circumstances regardless of the technological changes?

      Not everyone's skills are good enough.
      But TWX (665546), you're not alone.
      There is hope and there is help: Ask Slashdot: Rectifying Nerd Arrogance?

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    3. Re:I really tried to care... by deblau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You aren't post-geek, you've just graduated past the larval stage. :P

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    4. Re:I really tried to care... by jyx · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it's called maturity. It can happen as early as your late 20s, but typically it takes until the mid-30s to manifest. Other symptoms include being in bed by midnight, not being as good as you remember at first-person shooter games

      Please stop stalking me.

    5. Re:I really tried to care... by LordNightwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is post-geek a label? As in, one who used to pay attention to the excessive details of digging deep into how something works, but now has graduated into the realization that one can do whatever one needs to do with just about any tools or platform or system and no longer has a need to scrutinize so strongly because one's skills are good enough to weather any circumstances regardless of the technological changes?

      Indeed, if you're more obsessed with your tools than with your work, you might want to reconsider your priorities. Still, doesn't mean you have to be content with inferior tools. Just realize that in the end what matters is that they allow you to work more productively and deliver better quality; if your search for a productivity boosting tool results in not getting anything done, you're doing it wrong.

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  7. "Fix security at any cost." by hessian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most computer users don't want a Wild West computer experience. They want a safe, functional one where the computer interface is as inobtrusive as possible. They want as little burden on their consciousness as possible, so they can focus on what they want to use the computer to do in the first place.

    When you have an audience like that, expect tradeoffs. Less flexibility, more stability. Fewer options, more consistency. And now, the days of downloading random bits of code are over.

    For 90% of the users out there, this will be a great experience. The rest will dual-boot...

  8. Re:this guy is an idiot by cbhacking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, pretty sure *you* are the idiot here. If you'd actually RTFA, instead of whatever brief skim you took, you'd have seen that the guy ran WACK every time... and that it always ran clean on his system. He eventually got a failure out of it by running his VM's performance down to the Win8 mimum specs, but even after fixing that he continued getting unexplained errors from the certification process that didn't show up on his local system.

    Also, WACK failed to catch a very simple and obvious thing - a piece of dev/test code that he'd left in a constructor, which will crash the app when run if installed from the store - that it clearly should have. That's exactly the kind of thing that static analysis should have found.

    I'm rather shocked by Microsoft's failures, here. Usually, they're very good with dev tools and communication. Not this time, it seems. You'd think they'd have learned from the problems Apple had... it almost feels like they're trying to repeat Apple's mistakes too.

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  9. Re:MS succeded by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mind you, unlike on iOS, Microsoft permits app sideloading (even on ARM devices), with no extra costs or limits that I've seen yet.

    Open Powershell as Admin
    Enter the command: Show-WindowsDeveloperLicenseRegistration
    Enter your Windows Live credentials
    Download and sideload apps to your heart's content.

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  10. Goddamn "evangelists" by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How apt: belief based development.

    Back in the mid 90s, I worked at a games company where we were struggling to get the performance of Direct3D Retained Mode (anyone else remember that?) up to anywhere near Glide levels on Voodoo hardware. It was "escalated" until some DirectX "evangelist" rocked up at our office to "assist."

    His "assistance" consisted of looking out of the window and telling us that we must be doing something wrong, because his developers assured him that D3DRM should perform better than anything that we could roll ourselves.

    "Look," we said, "here's the same app, showing the same scene, and the framerate of the D3DRM version is half that of Glide."

    But he wouldn't look. He literally wouldn't look at the screens. He wouldn't even acknowledge the problem. Just kept going on about how we must be mis-using it, because he had been assured.

    Needless to say, we dropped D3DRM, as did everyone else, and it died in a corner, alone and unloved. But it did give us a valuable insight into the developer and "evangelist" culture at Microsoft. I think all Windows developers learn it eventually, which is why Microsoft need a constant influx of bright eyed, bushy tailed young suckers who'll fall for the line that they only hurt us because they love us so much.

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  11. Re:Actually doesn't really matter to it by homsar · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've yet to meet someone that has dumped their smartphone or computer for their tablet and as such they really don't need it.

    I've yet to meet someone who has dumped their smartphone or computer for their toaster, guess they don't need that either.

  12. Have MS forgotten what a stack trace is? by AC-x · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why the hell aren't Microsoft sending stack traces of crashes back to developers? Are they so incompetent that they've forgotten how software is developed?