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Terrestrial Hermit Crabs Learning Social Tricks

An anonymous reader writes "When it comes to abandoned snail shells that hermit crabs expropriate as mobile homes, size matters, for room to grow, room for eggs, and protection from predators. UC Berkeley evolutionary biologist Mark Laidre found that terrestrial hermit crabs on the Pacific shore of Costa Rica congregate in aggressive swap meets where one crab is forced from a relatively large shell, whereupon the rest trade up (one loser and multiple winners, pretty good odds). The loser gets the smallest shell, which means likely doom. Laidre and his colleagues note that most hermit crabs live in the ocean, where there are usually enough abandoned shells to go around so most can live, well, hermit-like lives without much interaction with fellow crabs. Not so on land, at least in Costa Rica."

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  1. Terrestrial Hermit Crab Learning Social Tricks by moniker127 · · Score: 3, Funny

    For a second there, I thought the biology tag said biography, and I got really scared. You don't need to know about my tricks yet.

  2. Occupy Shells by Beardydog · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do we want?

    SLIGHTLY LARGER SHELLS!

    When do we want them?

    WHENEVER THREE OR MORE OF US CONGREGATE!!

    1. Re:Occupy Shells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      WE ARE THE BAD STATISTICIANS!

    2. Re:Occupy Shells by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Occupy doesn't work like that. They all get together and via a complex process of hand signals indicate what they like and don't like. Then they break up into smaller committees, and subcommittees, and breakaway groups, each with their own ideas of what ought to be done about a thing. After several months, nothing has been done, the fort has burned down, the police have kicked everyone out of the park, and the only thing they have in common is that they blame the government for their utter inability to organize. It's mostly the 18-25 crowd that populates the meetings... dreamers, not doers.

      And like hermit crabs, they're also total dicks to each other -- which is why anyone inspired to go to one of these meetings quickly becomes uninspired by the amount of petty political infighting and bickering.

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  3. Re:It's class warfare by moniker127 · · Score: 2

    We all know the big hermit crab didn't work any harder for his shell, he was just in the right place at the right time.

  4. Written in today's parlance for today's kids by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hermit crabs are the animal kingdom’s most dickish neighbors

    ...sometimes hermit crabs hang out... and they're invariably total assholes to each other.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  5. Crabs can also be turned into a computer by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Crabs can also be used as the logic gates to compute certain functions. I kid you not! The Boston Globe had an article about some Japanese researchers who used crabs to design logic gates based on their motion on the beach.

    Their swarm computing article (pdf link in the journal Complex Systems) is rather interesting.

  6. Like social security? by Time_Ngler · · Score: 2

    Somewhat like social security. Each generation creates a larger shell, only to have the largest one ripped away from them by current retires when social security collapses. At the end of which, the current workforce get the remaining scraps.

    1. Re:Like social security? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      More like the average revolution. Everyone sees how there's some fat crab in a big home so everone bands together, kicks the old boss out and a new boss is installed, who is essentially the same dickhead as the old one.

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  7. Re:It's class warfare by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Most likely either that, or he banded together with other hermit crabs earlier to kick another one out of it.

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  8. Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everyone knows if you turn a few 'social' tricks you stand a good chance of getting crabs.

  9. Memories by jjp9999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to go to Costa Rica during the winters when I was a kid, and I loved watching the hermit crabs. There are TONS of them there. All over the beaches. Crawling in the sand going down to the beach. I actually watched them hijacking shells from each other (although I'd play the good guy and get their shells back sometimes).

    1. Re:Memories by amanaplanacanalpanam · · Score: 4, Funny

      You benevolent god you.

  10. Had a pleasure to observe it in Costa Rica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A stronger crab with a small damaged shell was trying to pry out a weaker one with new shell. He was probably weak from days of siege. I had to apply quite some force to tear them apart. After a brief isolation under toy buckets I set them free and the stronger crab jumped on his prey again, this time literally getting his foot in the door (they use the larger claw as a door).

    There is a nice beach restaurant in Samara, Costa Rica, that I can recommend if you want to see them congregate in huge numbers, right on the sandy restaurant floor.

  11. Re:Nature imitates the worst of human culture. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Question is - does the losing crab get even later on, starting a crab inter-familial feud that escalates into crab war?

    Only then can they fully appreciate the lows of human nature.

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  12. Sounds like the new American socialism by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    We are envious of what you have acquired, therefore we'll all team up and seize it.

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    1. Re:Sounds like the new American socialism by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      American socialism?
      That's a great talking point.... Until you look at the numbers.

      America's wealthiest have gotten that way by indexing wages to inflation for the last few decades and then collecting the fruits of our enormous economic growth.

      It also doesn't hurt that they've been bribing^W lobbying for rules in their favor since the Great Depression kicked off strong reforms.

      Seriously, go back and read what the founding fathers had to say and look hard at what they did.
      They understood that creating a monied aristocracy was a terrible thing and their taxation policies and ideologies reflected that.

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    2. Re:Sounds like the new American socialism by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      Weren't the founding fathers mostly wealthy land and slave owners? I don't think I'm seeing your point.

      Yes.
      But wealthy landowners != european nobility.
      I used the word "aristocracy" for a reason.

      Far too many people think they understand what America was intended to be,
      yet have never read any of the voluminous papers written by the men who founded the country.

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  13. How democratic of them by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets all vote on who gets kicked out of their shell so the rest of society can get an upgrade. That damn 1% doesn't deserve the largest shell.

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  14. Musical Chairs by Pennidren · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's like nature's musical chairs... OF DEATH!

  15. Re:Niggerbuntu by donscarletti · · Score: 2

    Taking the first step towards pervasive censorship always sounds so benevolent since free speech will always be used in some difficult to endure ways, but I would rather have a website full of racists and trolls than lose that free speech. There are plenty of other websites out there where the powers decide what you can and cannot say, The Escapist is a good example of a heavily policed site where goodthink prevails, but I doubt you'll draw much traction on Slashdot. However I fully support your right to express your belief on this forum.

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  16. Re:It's class warfare by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    He didn't build that! A snail did.

  17. Re:Niggerbuntu by EdIII · · Score: 2

    Was it removed? NO.

    Caved my ass.

    Did you see their response to the DMCA takedown request? The copyrighted data in question was removed from the site itself, and a long explanation, that wonderfully explained the DMCA, Scientology, its greatest and most vocal opponent on the Internet at the time, and how to fight against laws like this was put in its place.

    The specific data, OT III, was made available in legal ways and even more attention was garnered than before. Streisand effect wonderfully executed.

    I would agree with you if the comment was simply removed and /. acted like it never existed. Far from it...

  18. Crab pyramid scheme by Arancaytar · · Score: 2

    Does the SEC know of this?

  19. They must be socialists... by jemenake · · Score: 2

    one crab is forced from a relatively large shell, whereupon the rest trade up (one loser and multiple winners

    Reminds me of what's happening in Paris, as the super-rich are fleeing to neighboring countries ahead of the upcoming 75% tax. This is causing the prices of luxury Paris homes to decline in value, allowing the less-affluent to afford them, who then sell their former homes to people further down and... well, you get the idea.

    Now, if those crabs were here in the U.S., 99% of the crabs would be stuck in the same size shell for the past 20 years while a couple of crabs had gargantuan shells (as well as many "vacation" shells on a variety of coasts). But at least they'd be creating jobs for the other crabs... by having them clean their spare shells or something. :)