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Windows Browser Ballot Glitch Cost Firefox 6-9 Million Downloads

nk497 writes "Microsoft's failure to include the EU browser ballot in Windows 7 SP1 cost Mozilla as many as 9 million Firefox downloads, the organization's head of business affairs revealed. Harvey Anderson said daily downloads of Firefox fell by 63% to a low of 20,000 before the ballot was reinstated, and after the fix, downloads jumped by 150% to 50,000 a day. Over the 18 months the ballot was missing, that adds up to six to nine million downloads — although it's tough to tell if the difference has more to do with Chrome's success or the lack of advertising on Windows systems. The EU is currently investigating the 'glitch,' and Microsoft faces a massive fine for failing to include the screen, which offers download details for different browsers to European Windows users, as part of measures ordered by the EU to balance IE's dominance."

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  1. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're calculating lost downloads, now? And I thought lost sales due to piracy was a stupid metric...

    1. Re:Really? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is an anti trust issue rather than a theft one.

      Are you abusing your monopoly power so competitors literally cannot give their product away for free - that's a competition issue. This is by the way, a business strategy, if you have enough money you can cut your prices enough, or sell a new product cheap enough, and make enough deals that no one can afford to buy your competitors product, but they can buy yours (even if that is incurring a loss for you). The issue with Microsoft is whether their 90% windows marketshare, which is essentially a monopoly is being abused to prevent other companies, such as mozilla, from staying in the market. If that is the case, we don't really want to end up in a world where there is one viable internet browser choice, and that's internet explorer.

      Are you copying something for free that you legally should need to pay for - theft/piracy/counterfeiting/licensing whatever you want to call it issue.

    2. Re:Really? by xouumalperxe · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're not interpolating two data points. Have you looked at the charts? There's clearly a strong drop off around the time where the ballot was removed, and a big re-uptake when it was reinstated.

    3. Re:Really? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you abusing your monopoly power...

      How does one abuse a sadomasochistic client? By talking politely and serving crumpets and tea?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Really? by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, this is a matter of breach of contract. When it became obvious that Microsoft was in violation in the anti-trust hearings at the court, they made an offer to the court: they will solve the problem by putting browser ballot into the OS. This was Microsoft's own suggestion. Court agreed and Microsoft entered into a contract with the court stating how and when it will implement this ballot.

      Microsoft stalled a few times. However the problem didn't arise because court was always willing to grand Microsoft extensions to the deadline. However at one point, folks representing Microsoft admitted to the court at the hearing about another delay that it wasn't implemented at all.

      It was probably a dumbest move of all times really. All they had to do was keep their mouths shut about it not being implemented and ask for yet another extension and court would have likely granted it.

      So this is very much not about anti-trust any more. This is about Microsoft not honouring a contract, and penalties associated with this.

    5. Re:Really? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, this is a matter of breach of contract.

      Sure, the contract only exists because of the anti competitive monopolistic practices, but yes, ultimately Microsoft agreed to do something and isn't. But the underlying idea that this is like the made up statistics about piracy is a bit misleading. These rules all exists, and these contracts all exist because of microsofts bad behaviour.

    6. Re:Really? by oobayly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Render HTML properly?

  2. Re:LOL extrapolation by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you have data points both before and after the time period you are trying to estimate the values for it isn't extrapolation you idiot. It's interpolation.

  3. "glitch" by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hah! If you believe it was a glitch, then I have a bridge to sell you. Noone in Microsoft noticed this issue for over a year? No QA process found this?

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  4. Re:Still dont get it by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the whole French Newspaper/Google debacle that's going on right now. It's a direct symptom of socialism. That's what you get when everyone is entitled to a cut of everyone else's work.

    The more you peeps post bashing socialism, the more it sounds like a good thing. It's like the corporations are so afraid of people turning to socialism, they go around reminding us that is what they are afraid of.

    We get more people bashing socialism then we get people suggesting it. Maybe there is something to this socialism idea after all...

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  5. The "Glitch" by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "glitch" is a result of OEMs integrating the wrong version of service packs into their images.
    When they integrate the non-EU version of a service pack then the image won't present the "ballot screen" to the user.

    1. Re:The "Glitch" by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "glitch" is a result of OEMs integrating the wrong version of service packs into their images.

      [citation required].

      Every source I have read on the web shows Microsoft admitting to the "error" themselves, not blaming it on OEMs.

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
  6. Re:Money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the EU have weapon of mass destruction by any chance?

    Yes. Both the UK and France are part of the EU, and both have nuclear weapons.

    Yes, but they both have launch control systems that run on Windows. MSFT wins again.

    (That's supposed to be funny. Laugh you bastards.)

  7. Re:Money? by landoltjp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the EU have weapon of mass destruction by any chance?

    Yes, they have Greece :)

  8. Re:Why do they even play along? by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because MS make more money from the EU market and sell more goods/services to it than anywhere else. Yes, that includes the US. You're second. Same as in a lot of IT markets. Hell, some of the gaming markets you're not even third.

    You can piss them off if you like, but that's the LARGEST market they deal with. Same for Google, eBay and lots of other companies that deal internationally.

    Ignore the fine and they seize your assets (i.e. freeze your bank accounts), which means zero effective business in that region. That's billions of Euros lost every year because you got stroppy and didn't pay a fine that you were legally required to pay.

    Think that's fiction? They were >50% of your assets, sales and money (i.e. anything stored in the EU, or held by the EU, or sold to the EU) overnight is no small thing. And if you do business in the EU, you're liable to EU taxes and law (including fines) NO MATTER WHAT, so they'd literally just get other countries to take that from your bank account and pay it, no matter where you tried to hide it.

    And, as it was, the US investigated this same matter and decided not to do anything. The EU investigated it and charged them billions. AND THEY PAID. Because it's the most incredibly stupid thing in the world not to. The EU literally have the power to say "No, you can't sell Windows" if they like.

  9. Re:Why is this still relevant? by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is relevant, because they ignored an order from the courts.

    And the reason that IE isn't the most popular one in the EU is precisely because of said order.

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  10. Microsoft agreed to this by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this still relevant?

    Because this is what Microsoft agreed to.

    Pundits are already predicting the end of Microsoft as a dominant player in the industry (which *is* a bit of an exaggeration, so far at least), yet they are still forced to adhere to an almost 10-year old anti-trust decision (an eternity in the industry).

    Its not a decision, its an agreement they entered into to avoid a trial and a resulting decision. Its quite possible that an actual decision, rather than a negotiated settlement, would have involved greater up-front cost but less in terms of long-term, ongoing restrictions. Microsoft made a choice that they'd rather have what they are now subject to than take the risk of the kind of fines and other up-front consequences at risk in a trial. That may or may not have been a bad decision in retrospect, but it was Microsoft's decision.

  11. How is Apple a MUCH worse offender? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When is the EU going to go after Apple for some of these same things?

    Presumably when Apple first has a monopoly in some market, and then illegally leverages that monopoly to gain power in an existing, separate market, and then makes a settlement agreement like Microsoft made to resolve the anti-trust charges over that leveraging, and then violates that agreement the way Microsoft did that is at issue here.

  12. Re:Still dont get it by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's because it is a good thing when done right. Most in US screaming about socialism being bad seem to fail to notice that socialism was one of the most powerful drivers behind the rise and staying power of the middle class. 60s and 70s, often hailed as the golden age of USA were the time when the country was very socialist. Taxes on the rich were extremely high and social security net was quite wide-reaching.

    It's in fact a very interesting argument that shrinking of middle class is currently going hand in hand with cutting of socialism in favour of capitalism in many strata of society.