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Secession Petitions Flood White House Website

First time accepted submitter RNLockwood writes "Political.com reports that several petitions to secede from the Union have been created at the White House site, We The People, for many states; all since Obama's re-election. Texas and Louisiana lead the list with Texas needing only 7,000 more signatures to qualify for a White House response, probably less now as more Americans have become aware of the petitions. It would be interesting to see a comparison done of these petitions and the Post Election Racist Tweets Map."

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  1. If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..you'd find these states well ranked.

    Secession is an economically unviable option. If you want copious analyses ask the Quebec'ers.

    We in the US seem to have a hard time admitting when we are wrong. Mitt was a dreadful choice for a conservative presidential candidate. Obama's winning the election was not a sign that the poor Texans are oppressed. They simply picked a moderate who had to pivot to the right of Rick Perry to win the primaries, and then back to the center to have a chance in the final election. I don't think anyone could have done that job any better than Mitt did, but even with 3 to 1 outspending of their opponents it wasn't enough. I sent my $100 to Buddy Roemer to try to get an honest man into the race, and honesty lost.

    So, please quit your whining and next time pick an actuall conservative. Pick someone with a tax plan that adds up, low spending, little war-lust, and who understands what a disaster the "personhood" amendment would be, and then you'll have a race.

    1. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can't we at least let them try it this time?

    2. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Informative

      They did pick an actual conservative. Obama. The guy is to the right on Nixon and Reagan on many issues.

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    3. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you pay attention to what they have been doing recently they made that choice. They are firmly going with social conservatism and spending like a sailor on shore leave. Sadly they want to do that last part and cut taxes at the same time.

    4. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Pick someone with a tax plan that adds up, low spending, little war-lust, and who understands what a disaster the "personhood" amendment would be, and then you'll have a race."

      Sorry, but Bill Clinton is not eligible to run.

    5. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

      It would save us a shitload of tax money and we would no longer have to worry about the American taliban getting their voice in our laws.

      http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2012/09/who-receives-the-disproportionate-share-of-government-spending.html

    6. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mitt was a dreadful choice for a conservative presidential candidate.

      Romney was a far right conservative presidential candidate, Obama is not "moderate" at all as he is a right wing conservative.

      What is bad is America had no left wing candidate at all.

      We're going how the rest of the world define political spectrum, not America.

    7. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      | Iran has strong religious values, and gas at 50 cents a gallon and the most polluted capital city anywhere.

      That is what they wish for.

    8. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Jill Stein was just a figment of my imagination?

      I really do remember marking that box on the ballot.

    9. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also we could stand to shed a state so we won't have to buy new flags when Puerto Rico becomes a state.

    10. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes quite. This is the perfect example of a "states rights" issue. If you want to succeed then you need to have a local succession convention in your own state. Dragging the "enemy" in Washington into it really seems beyond absurd.

      It's like genuine fire eaters petitioning Lincoln.

      These people are too stupid to even know what they're asking for.

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    11. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by lysdexia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hell yes. I grew up with older relatives who equated Richard Nixon with Atilla the Hun. The stuff that got him impeached would barely be reported on mainstream news these days. And we almost had Romney/Obama care back in the 70's. Do a google search for Nixon Permenente and lose your mind.

    12. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Art+Popp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fair enough. It was an incomplete pivot. In the debates he went right-of-Perry on immigration but wasn't more radical than most of the stage.

      But, again, what can you do. You don't want to appear to be an Etch-a-Sketch, but you have to in a split-brained party if you want all their votes. Pleasing the corporations ruins the budgets valued by decent conservatives, pleasing the decent conservatives, irks the religeous zealots. The guy was asked to swim in air. I've no pity for the amount of deceit he employed in this process, but it looked like a pretty impossible job.

    13. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This election wasn't just about Obama vs Romney, I would argue that wasn't even the most important race taking place, especially given that anyone objective enough to look at actual polling data knew the conclusion before the first ballot was caste on the 6th. If I were a republican, I'd be more worried about the number of senate races they lost. I'd be more worried about the fact that they lost the popular vote if you add up all the house races (only maintaining a 40 seat lead in the house thanks to a metric shit-ton of gerrymandering in 2010). I'd be more worried that 60% of voters think that taxes should go up for the richest people and only 35% thought that taxes shouldn't go up for anyone. And that 65% of voters think there should be a path to legal residency for illegal immigrants.

      And if I were a social conservative, I'd be terrified that 60% of voters in this election think that abortion should be legal for all circumstances. And that more people think same sex marriage should be recognized than not (49% to 46%). Not to mention that Wisconsin (of all places) just elected the first openly gay senator.

      Things are changing the US. It wasn't just that Romney was unlikable, it wasn't just that he had to pander to the base to get elected. Over the past 8 years conservative, republican positions have become more and more untenable to the majority of voters.

    14. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Informative

      What is bad is America had no left wing candidate at all.

      That's not true at all - the Green Party fielded a genuinely left-leaning candidate - Jill Stein
      I quite like her.

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    15. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Raenex · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's "secede", not "succeed".

    16. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can't we at least let them try it this time?

      I agree, let's call their bluff and say okay you're out of the union. They're mostly the poorest states that use the most welfare and medicaid and medicare per capita. They also push the hardest for declaring war. If we let them go we might actually balance the budget finally. Give all the right wing conservatives a year to relocate to the red state of their choice then close the borders. About the time they realize how bad off they are it'll be too late and the rest of us can finally move forward without the half of Congress that always stonewalls efforts to fix the mess. It's a win win because they get to live in a world of fear and hate and teach their kids about Jesus riding dinosaurs while the rest of us get the economy back on track and fix the pollution problem and finally get energy independent.

    17. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by metrometro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously. I voted for the guy who said he's end the wars and raise taxes, because there's a deficit, yo. The guy who implemented the Heritage Foundation's plan for healthcare, which was based on the idea of individual responsibility paired with a fair and transparent dealing from the insurers. The guy who overthrew the Libyan government under force of arms with four American fatalities, and didn't do the same in Syria because he thought it was too risky. Oh, and he's on the right side on the inclusion of gays, women(!?), immigrants and host of other basic-human-freedom issues that used to be considered part of the conservative promise.

      We need a conservative party in this country, and I'm not sure the GOP is going to be it. I think the best thing you could do as a conservative in this country is start electing Greens and then plan to be a Democrat for the next 50 years.

    18. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by stillpixel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Red States:

      We're ticked off at the way you've treated California and we've decided we're leaving.

      We intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

      In case you aren't aware that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast.

      We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

      To sum up briefly:

      You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.

      We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

      We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

      We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

      We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

      We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

      We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.

      We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

      Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

      Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro choice and anti war and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home.

      We wish you success in Iraq and hope that the WMDs turn up but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

      With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven

      Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

      With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush

      Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

      We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

      38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

      We're taking the good pot too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.



      from: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljokedearredstates.htm

    19. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because the rick-and-nutter vote may be tied up at the election, but they seriously matter in the primaries. A republican candidate needs to have some degree of hick-and-nutter appeal, or they'll never get to be the candidate. The party leadership also knows that the social conservatives are very powerful for local organisation and get-out-the-vote efforts, so it's not enough to just have them voting to keep the democrats out. The trick for the republicans is to find a way to whip the social conservatives up into a frenzy of support without also alienating the moderates.

    20. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by kwiqsilver · · Score: 5, Funny

      It works with both, actually: they can't secede if they fail in their attempt.

    21. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Care to back that up? I only mention this because most people seem to be unaware of which states are net receivers and which states are net payers of Federal tax revenues. California and Texas, for example, are net payers, thus it could be argued that if they seceded they would see an increase of capital.

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    22. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only reason that they don't have any chance of winning is because everybody thinks that they don't have any chance of winning, and so a vote for one of them is a wasted vote that could better go to a candidate that has a chance of winning that is the lesser of the two evils.

    23. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Clinton was the most warlike president of all since Johnson. At least until Bush Jr went crazy.

      Definitely not:

      Richard Nixon: Elected on a secret plan to end the Vietnam War in 1968, he expanded it into Laos and Cambodia, two countries who's only crime was being next to Vietnam.

      Gerald Ford: Actually made peace in Vietnam. He's not a contender for the "most warlike".

      Jimmy Carter: A few minor things, such as trying to rescue the hostages. Also not a contender.

      Ronald Reagan: Invaded Grenada, Honduras, ordered various operations against Libya, was on the outskirts of the Iran-Iraq War (supplying weapons to both sides and using US ships to protect Kuwaiti oil tankers).

      George H.W. Bush: First Gulf War. Several smaller operations in Panama, Hondurus, and Liberia.

      Bill Clinton: Enforcing the no-fly zone in Iraq, air operations in former Yugoslavia, missile strikes on Al Qaida.

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    24. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by Abreu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry no. On behalf of all Mexicans, Texans can stay in the USA or become independent, but we don't want them back.

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    25. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by runeghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish people would quit using the word "insolvent" in relation to the federal debt. The United States government can print as many dollars as it wants or needs. While there are significant downsides to the U.S. printing it's way out of debt, it can be done. Thus, the U.S. is by definition not insolvent. If the United States defaults on its debt, it's because the government (or the people running the government) choose to do so.

    26. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by artor3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You just backed it up for him. According to the site that you yourself linked there is only one "red" state that pays more in taxes than it gets in federal spending: Texas.

      Here's a quick summary, from your own link, of which states support the nation, sorted by the amount they give in excess of the amount they receive:

      California: $47B
      New Jersey: $32B
      New York: $24B
      Illinois: $19B
      Connecticut: $10B
      Texas: $10B
      Minnesota: $9B
      Massachusetts: $8B
      Nevada: $6B
      Colorado: $5B
      Michigan: $3B
      Washington: $3B
      Wisconsin $3B
      New Hampshire: $2B
      Delaware: $1.5B
      Oregon: $1B
      Florida: $0.5B

      That list includes big states, small states, densely populated states, sparse states, coastal states, landlocked states, and so on. The only common thread is that they're all liberal, except Texas. And if we're being honest, Texas only makes the list because of the big liberal cities like Houston that drive their economy.

      The fact is that the red states that bitch the most about taxes are also the ones who benefit the most from them. Not unlike their fervently anti-gay congressmen who get caught soliciting sex in the men's room.

    27. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by disambiguated · · Score: 5, Informative

      This looks like a good place to post this. I took the data from this economist article and broke it down by red vs. blue state according to this map. This is what I found:

      * There were 20 surplus states and 30 deficit states.
      * Of the 24 states that voted for Romney, 4 of them had a surplus.
      * Of the 26 states that voted for Obama, 16 of them had a surplus.
      * Together, the blue states had a net surplus of 2.57 trillion, the red states had a net deficit of 1.50 trillion.
      * The average blue state had a surplus of 98.8 billion; the average red state had a deficit of 63.0 billion.
      * Four blue states (New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Minnesota) each had a surplus greater than all the red states with a surplus combined.

    28. Re:If there was a Bad at Math Map... by s4m7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Imagine the message sent to both parties if Stein, or Johnson handed Obama a loss.

      You mean like when Nader handed Gore a loss in 2000?

      The lesson the Republicans learned was "we have a mandate" and proceeded to pursue a decade of self-destructive jingoistic policy they still haven't recovered from. The lesson the Democrats learned was "don't get Nadered again."

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  2. 7000 more needed for a response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Response:

    No.

    1. Re:7000 more needed for a response by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's the proper response, IMHO:

      "Dear Pertitioners;

      If you loved this country as much as you claim to, you would know - or would make the effort to learn - that the Executive Branch of the Federal Government has absolutely no authority to determine who is and is not a state or territory. Next time try talking to your Senators and Representatives.

      Sincerely,
      President Barack Obama"

      Maybe it would be worded a little less snarky, but that's how I'd do it.
      =Smidge=

  3. Good luck with that. by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm conflicted whether Obama's response should be:

    Yeah yeah, don't let the door hit you.

    or

    Why don't you try and see how that works out for you.

  4. Now's our chance! by ChinggisK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quick! Someone make a "Let Texas and Louisiana Secede" petition!

    1. Re:Now's our chance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here, I made one. Probably not the most cleverly written but hey.

  5. The likely response: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blow it out your ass. We survived Bush, you can survive Obama. Grow the fuck up.

    1. Re:The likely response: by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many people survived neither Bush nor Obama.

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    2. Re:The likely response: by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think Presidents should automatically get added to the list of hurricane names.

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  6. Let them go. by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being a resident of New England, I'm tired of paying for their highways and such while they accuse us here as being Un-American.

    For fucks sake. Leave already.

    What I found especially amusing was the tea-tard messages claiming people would high-tail it to Canada if Obama got re-elected. Yeah, the country next door with single-payer health insurance, decent social security, more gun regulation, etc.

    Go. Go to Canada.

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  7. The return the Confederacy? by inhuman_4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not American, but it seems to me that there is a growing geographical dichotomy between the left leaning states and the right leaning states. Some of the old confederate states esp. Texas seem to be moving more and more to the right as the coastal states seem to be moving more to the left.

    The left states seem to be moving closer to the Europe and the rest of the world in terms of politics. That is being less religious, pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-war, pro-environment, etc. While the right leaning states seem to be rallying around the Church.

    While I realize it is not a possibility anytime soon, but in 100 years could we see the return of the Confederate States of America?

  8. Re:Bad at Everything by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Funny

    You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

  9. succession = racism? by Bodhammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So succession = racism? Does the OP work for MSNBC and Chris "Tingles" Matthews?

    A fundamental disagreement with the government policies does not automatically equal racism but of course you are free to perpetuate that myth...

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  10. A trade? by SmaryJerry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remove Texas and bring in Puerta Rico so we don't have to change the flags.

  11. Oh, Please. This Happens EVERY Election by medv4380 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Clinton was Elected there was crying about Secession from Conservatives, like all of Texas. When Bush was elected there was crying about Secession from Liberals , like all of California. Just Get Over It, you Lost. Try again next time. Your Princess is In Another Castle.

  12. Excellent summation of how this would go... by NinjaTekNeeks · · Score: 5, Funny

    (Source : Comments section of - http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/267413-texas-secession-petition-gains-enough-signatures-for-white-house-response) Don't know the origin of this, but I liked it. "Dear Red States We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving. We in California intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware that includes New York, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A). To sum up briefly: You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states.We get stem cell research and the best beaches.We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.We get Harvard. You get those ignorant fools at Ole' Miss.We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama .We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunchof single moms.With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92%of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all livingredwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99%of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, RushLimbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the deathpenalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.Sincerely,A Citizen of the Enlighten