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Canada Prepares For Crackdown On BitTorrent Movie Pirates
New submitter dreamstateseven tips this Postmedia News report:
"A forensic software company has collected files on a million Canadians who it says have downloaded pirated content. The company, which works for the motion picture and recording industries, says a recent court decision forcing Internet providers to release subscriber names and details is only the first step in a bid to crack down on illegal downloads. 'The door is closing. People should think twice about downloading content they know isn't proper,' said Barry Logan, managing director of Canipre, the Montreal-based forensic software company."
$100 for 10 movies, or $10 for a VPN for 100 movies?
So CRIA will start suing end users in the same way RIAA did in US, accomplishing probably the same results regarding piracy deterrence: none. Good idea...
I really would like to see organized resistance and civil disobedience to the Media cartels, and a campaign to paint them as the evil monsters they are.
I happen to think that RIAA, MPAA, CRIA, and BREIN are Scoundrels, of the same vein as the Westboro Baptist Church, and the Taliban, and other hate based organizations that use a religious or quasi-religious basis just like religion does to persuade people that they should be paid forever and ever and ever for a non-product, and for what really is an economically stilted scam meant to drain the poor, oppress other people, abuse children, ruin people's lives over a non-reason. Efforts should be taken by interest groups to dismantle these organizations.
Your litigation campain advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante (x) legal
approach to fighting piracy. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
(x) Torrent sites will change to a new protocol
(x) They don't have the money to settle or pay damages
(x) Open wi-fi access points
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(x) Litigation is not actually a deterrent to teenagers
(x) Your evidence collection methods are open to attack in court
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from judges
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many ISPs cannot afford to lose business
( ) Pirates don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
(x) Bad press when you sue a grandmother for what a 10 year old does
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for the net
(x) Open proxies in foreign countries
(x) Tor and darknets
(x) Asshats
(x) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
(x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of piracy
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business you
( ) Dishonesty on the part of pirates themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(x) Any scheme based on mass lawsuits and prosecution is unacceptable
( ) IP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending data should be free
(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) I don't want the government reading my packets
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
I didn't think there were that many people in Canada. Isn't it mostly populated by sheep and bears?
Once again, we see these unlicensed "private investigators" working behind closed doors with no oversight. They make lists of "IP numbers" with zero proof that anyone ever did anything wrong. This fake detective work is completely wrong and illegal. They (the criminal shakedown scammers) should be arrested and made to pay back all the money they have stolen. And go to prison for a long time too.
The company name rhymes with canape, but I cannot help but read it as "Can I Prey!"
Anyways, Google Street View shows that their head office appears to be a mail box in a post office that is part of a corner store at 15410 Pierrefonds Blv, Montreal, QC so I guess I won't be ordering them a few thousand pizzas.
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
It's no more illegal than bringing home a bootleg CD bought on the streets of Karachi.
A crime punishable by 30 years in the electric chair under new copyright legislation.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
If the entertainment industry starts suing people then I'll start downloading stuff up to the full value of the media levy I've paid. If we all do that then suing people should drive away customers and money from the entertainment industry, the opposite of what they want.
It's no more illegal than bringing home a bootleg CD bought on the streets of Karachi.
A crime punishable by 30 years in the electric chair under new copyright legislation.
Not to mention, they stick your heirs with the electric bill.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
Indeed, the door is closing, on the entertainment industry employing these types. They've seen how ineffective these firms are, how they've pissed off their customers, how they've gotten nothing but bad PR, how piracy actually increased their bottom line (sans lawsuits), and generally idiotic the entire enterprise has been.
The MPAA (and friends) looks the other way, their wallet is fatter. They do not, and it's thinner. So, why would they pay money for someone to make them poorer? Dumb.
I am John Hurt.
The taxes appear to only apply to physical media, however, and only to music. So it's legal to copy music onto a blank CD or cassette for personal use, but not to copy in other circumstances. The Copyright Board was planning to extend the tax to iPods, which would make it legal to copy for personal use onto them as well, but that was overturned.
Yes, the taxes are on physical media, but they cover the distribution and use of all those bits and bytes. It implicitly covers computers as the medium where the music is stored prior to being transferred to a disc. Since we're looking at "reasonable doubt" territory, can a prosecutor prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the music was never intended to go onto CDs?
... where do you think that is going to leave the law?
And while it technically does apply only to mp3s, the RCMP has stated that they're not actively pursuing individual infringement - and they're not happy about being bullied (by US policy) into enforcing the laws against larger, for-profit organizations. So when the feds won't initiate actions, and the provinces can't be bothered to enforce it (RCMP does enforcement in many provinces and all federal enforcement)
- Nec Impar Pluribus, or so I'm told.
(in other words: what incentive do I have to move my ass in a movie theater chair or buy it on disk?)
Large civil fines ensure you'll always be bankrupt. Anything over $10,000 can't be discharged in the US; Not sure about Canada, but I suspect a similar limitation. Any significant assets you own will be seized. You won't be able to own a car worth more than a few grand, you'll never own a house; You'll be renting forever. Your wages will be garnished to ensure you are never able to acquire anything of value, or pay for your own health insurance (thank god you live in canada!). You will never receive another tax refund. Certain career choices will be unavailable to you, including anything in the government that requires a security clearance, work in the finance industry, or anything involving the handling of money or "crimes of trust." You may be denied a passport or visa, and will likely be unable to immigrate to any other country due to your debt (believe it or not, your credit report does matter when it comes to naturalization, just like any trouble with the law, even civil law). You will be summoned to court on a very regular basis to detail your financial situation to your debtors (the entertainment companies), and should you fail to show for any reason including being in a coma in a hospital, a bench warrant will be issued for your arrest. You will stay in jail for weeks to months until a hearing can be rescheduled. You will likely lose your job many times over the course of your life, and custody of your kids (if you have any).
So there's your incentive. Now, that said, it wouldn't be a fair analysis without telling you what your odds of being caught, prosecuted, and a judgement placed against you are. File sharing is one of the most popular and widespread online activities there is, and the legal system can only process so many cases per month. It will take many years to decades of this kind of enforcement activity before your lifetime risk of being hauled into court leave the single digit percentages.
As for me: I don't negotiate with terrorists; And terror is the weapon of choice for these people. Whether you do it with a bomb or a pen isn't relevant. They could make the penalty 30 years in the electric chair and it wouldn't change my behavior. But I'm not a normal person... normal people cave like a house of cards. It's your choice... but mine is to download, share, and annoy the hell out of them.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Someone with access to MaxMind or something similar look up the IP blocks owned by this "Canipre" company and post them here. Then everyone can start hosting torrents with a spoofed return IP that's in their range. Once they start pulling down their own IP ranges maybe they'll figure out just how fucking stupid this idea is.
It was also copied to the buffer in the DVD drive and the main system memory too. That brings you up to 3 violations. There's also a screen buffer in LCD monitors, which would make it at least 4.
(in other words: what incentive do I have to move my ass in a movie theater chair or buy it on disk?)
Large civil fines ensure you'll always be bankrupt. Anything over $10,000 can't be discharged in the US; Not sure about Canada, but I suspect a similar limitation. Any significant assets you own will be seized. You won't be able to own a car worth more than a few grand, you'll never own a house; You'll be renting forever. Your wages will be garnished to ensure you are never able to acquire anything of value, or pay for your own health insurance (thank god you live in canada!). You will never receive another tax refund. Certain career choices will be unavailable to you, including anything in the government that requires a security clearance, work in the finance industry, or anything involving the handling of money or "crimes of trust." You may be denied a passport or visa, and will likely be unable to immigrate to any other country due to your debt (believe it or not, your credit report does matter when it comes to naturalization, just like any trouble with the law, even civil law). You will be summoned to court on a very regular basis to detail your financial situation to your debtors (the entertainment companies), and should you fail to show for any reason including being in a coma in a hospital, a bench warrant will be issued for your arrest. You will stay in jail for weeks to months until a hearing can be rescheduled. You will likely lose your job many times over the course of your life, and custody of your kids (if you have any).
So there's your incentive.
No, those are disincentives. Since I've done nothing wrong, however you can't just wait to punish me, I'll tell you what I do: completely ignore your merchandise and never do any business with you.
Think twice: a significant number of others may start thinking like me.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
No matter how big you get, how healthy your economy, how great your health care and how happy your people, you will never ever be free of your servitude to multinational corporations.
If you get that through your thick bohunk skulls you'll save yourself a lot of grief later. The USA circa 1980-2012 wants you to know that the more you resist, the more it will hurt.
Your borders, your sovereignty, don't mean shit.
And for the people of Canada, you can congratulate yourselves all you want for creating a wonderful progressive paradise, but when the guys with big money say "Jump" your politicians are still going to get on their knees and start sucking. Or something.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Not to mention, they stick your heirs with the electric bill.
That assumes there's anything left I can put in my will. "To my beloved, one cracker, dry, slightly used. To my three children, whom I put up for adoption after being convicted, 12 scratch-off lottery tickets, pre-scratched, not winning. And to the recording industry, I bequeath my massive 3,000 ton collection of pig poop, collected over many years because it was the only thing that the bankrupcy judge let me keep, thinking it had now value... which is currently being sprayed on everything in the parking lot and the entrances and emergency escapes of the building you are reading this in. Lovingly yours, Me. P.S. You left your windows down."
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
TFA says that the statutory limit for damages for non-commercial infringement is $5000, and that they're going to go after habitual downloaders. $5000 is less than the limit for small claims court, meaning that if you decide to challenge it, they will have to take it to small claims court where "expert witnesses" won't be allowed. Just their lawyer, your lawyer, and about 15 minutes a side to make your case because there's 30 other cases on the docket that day. (yes, I have been in a Canadian small claims court).
There's well over $5000 worth of DVD's in my collection. Physical media, most of which was bought at full retail price (and in some cases, well over retail price because it was a "special edition" box set). If those idiots decide to try to sue me because I downloaded a copy of True Lies (disc was scratched and I couldn't rip it when I was digitizing my physical copy), I'll be quite amused to see what the courts say about it. The reason there's nothing new in the collection isn't that I'm downloading movies, it's because the movies that they're making these days are crap.
Why this really pisses me off: just bought a new Sony Blu-Ray player, and especially chose one with WIFI and NetFlix built in.
I now discover that because I'm in Canada I can only choose from one quarter of the movies and shows available in the US.
The total number of entries for Canada is currently 2687 movies/shows . The total number of entries for USA is currently 10407 movies/shows. Same price, one quarter the movies.
When I can get the same choice, at the same price, I'll be more than happy to pay my $8 a month. Until then the media corps can suck eggs.
Three Squirrels
DotCom and Youtube are exactly the same. They are neutral services and both services obeyed DCMA take down notices. FBI just decided that obeying DCMA notes wasn't enough to Megaupload and decided to, illegally, take down DotCom service and all his user's data, and weren't able even to make a case against him.
General Inquiries
canipre@canipre.com
647.693.0727
Robin Berry
Senior Director, Operations
rberry@canipre.com
Media Inquiries
media@canipre.com
going to contact these people with the legal aspects of privacy law of canada and let them know that its against the law to knowingly gather information on a person OR IP especially since your scanning hte user to know they are using a certain protocol.
Scanning without a warrant or private investigators liscense ( still questionable without a warrant ) is illegal.
MAKE SURE YOU get a lawyer and have them look into scanning and info gathering without a warrant.
I've purchased over 5,000 CDs and over 3,000 DVDs, as well as about 500 VHS tapes in my life. Prices back then weren't cheap, either, especialy for the VHS tapes. They were a "new thing." Same with DVDs when they came out.
I've spent over $150,000 on media over the years.
If I live to be 100, that would be 1200 months of payments. Near as I can figure, I've already paid $125/month from the cradle to the grave for media.
Just when is enough enough?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
The half wolf, half pig creature looked up into the rolling meadows. As far as its hungry, greedy eyes could see were beasts of burden. Thousands of grey-white furry forms like the swirls in a wide, muddy stream. The hungry animal wished it could eat all of them. It roared/squeeled, not bothering with a stealthy approach.
Then it broke into a sprint and soon had an unlucky calf in its jaws, it's hot blood still pumping from its neck in spurts. The rest of the herd gradually dispersed. Although one was taken the rest were protected by their sheer numbers. Herd/swarm behavior evolved relatively quickly in the animal world because, at least for the majority, it works. Most of the animals worried little about being taken by predators and just went on with their lives. Someday it may be their turn, but the odds were against it.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
TFA says that the statutory limit for damages for non-commercial infringement is $5000
Per infringement. How many different people did you upload that bittorrent to? 1,700? Um... uh oh.
Wrong. It's $5000 for all infringement up to the point the lawsuit is filed. At the very least, there won't be any Canadian Joel Tenenbaums. It will be far less worthwhile to actually pursue these cases here.
I like to think of online DRM as something akin to a college -- you pay for lessons until you learn something.