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Syria Drops Off the Internet Grid

hypnosec writes "Amidst the ongoing civil war, Syria has gone off the Internet as of a few hours ago, with all the 84 IP block within the country unreachable from the outside. Renesys, a research firm keeping tabs on the health of the Internet, reported at about 5:25 ET that Syria's Internet connectivity has been shut down. The internet traffic from outside to Syrian IP addresses is going undelivered, and anything coming from within the country is not reaching the Internet. Akamai has tweeted that its traffic data supports what Renesys has observed." Reader trickstyhobbit adds a report from Slate that the connection "appear[s] to have been knocked off line by heavy fighting earlier this morning. They are also reporting that the shutdown may have been intentional to aid in a government operation."

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  1. Did someone say... IP Block? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe Syria doesn't need to come back, or if it does, maybe not with a full block. IPv4 addresses are valuable!

    1. Re:Did someone say... IP Block? by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      That was what I was thinking. We might as well force them to upgrade.

    2. Re:Did someone say... IP Block? by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      Maybe Syria doesn't need to come back, or if it does, maybe not with a full block. IPv4 addresses are valuable!

      They just didn't want this news to get around:
      http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2012/11/201211271842890427.html

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    3. Re:Did someone say... IP Block? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Lol, sell em off to buy more guns! Now that's an idea. Did anyone check ebay for a listing from around that time for a giant block of addresses?

    4. Re:Did someone say... IP Block? by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      Surely a Class C would be enough for them? How many working PCs can they have ffs?

    5. Re:Did someone say... IP Block? by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be funny if all this precipitated the "IP Wars" & several sci-fi authors were kinda on the money? :)

  2. Would their network be as barbaric as I'd expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Time to unplug the router, wait a few seconds, and plug it in again.

  3. As we all know, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

    1. Re:As we all know, by cosm · · Score: 4, Funny

      A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

      It must be IT's fault.

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    2. Re:As we all know, by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

      A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

      It must be IT's fault.

      They were trying to google the capitol of Syria to get past the Bridge of Death, came back with the wrong answer and they've all been cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril.

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    3. Re:As we all know, by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 1

      A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

      Aliens!

    4. Re:As we all know, by Megane · · Score: 1

      Skynet is becoming sentient?

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    5. Re:As we all know, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously? You quoted the worst of the three worst Star Wars movies?

      Seriously? I recognized that quote?

    6. Re:As we all know, by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      It must be IT's fault.

      Obviously you've never felt horror at the sound of a backhoe firing up.

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    7. Re:As we all know, by NevarMore · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hello?
      Yes.
      Have you tried turning it off and on again?

    8. Re:As we all know, by jerpyro · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least they weren't using Apple Maps, they'd have invaded Sri Lanka instead.

    9. Re:As we all know, by SilentStaid · · Score: 1

      Someone Google'd the word, Google? Quick, get up to the top of the Syrian version of Big Ben to get their internet back online!

      This is why no one takes the Elders of the Internet seriously.

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg

    10. Re:As we all know, by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

      What, that Lucasfilm is in full steam, to make us cry again?

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    11. Re:As we all know, by DarthBling · · Score: 2

      For those that didn't get it, it's a quote from Star War Episode 1. The answer is "invasion".

    12. Re:As we all know, by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Porn? Rule 34? What??

      What is the meaning of a communication disruption?

    13. Re:As we all know, by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're trying to turn it off and on again, or perhaps they even dropped it!.

    14. Re:As we all know, by nura78 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they have tried turning it off and on again. Making sure that it's plugged in of course....

    15. Re:As we all know, by partyguerrilla · · Score: 1

      Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

    16. Re:As we all know, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They finally managed to kill the sysadmin somehow?

    17. Re:As we all know, by someones · · Score: 1

      they did: Div/0 ?

    18. Re:As we all know, by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

      You need a Mr Plinkett refresher course dude!

  4. Mark my words: by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    This prolly means that the regime ( the Assad one ) is in their last ditches, and fighting the eponymous fight. Soon, some rebel fraction is going to take over in Syria. Some of whom may be heavily bearded men who think that democracy is filth. And so on, and so on...

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    1. Re:Mark my words: by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      The eponymous fight?

    2. Re:Mark my words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The fight other fights are named after. Yes, this is the worst misuse of the word "eponymous" on the internet. Congratulations are in order.

    3. Re:Mark my words: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of whom may be heavily bearded men who think that democracy is filth.

      Democracy is filth - people cannot be trusted to run a non-corrupt one (c.f. The Law). Of course, Theocracy is not better.

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    4. Re:Mark my words: by dugjohnson · · Score: 1

      Actually I thought he meant it was "A Sad" fight...which would make eponymous usage correct, although the spelling suspect.
      But then I tend to give people the benefit...

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    5. Re:Mark my words: by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      The problem is, the Internet does provide significant advantages for those countries when it is not actively being used to foment rebellion. What happens is that it is great for the regime right up to the point where the video or the news stories come in that set off the rebellion, and by then it is too late to shut it off to stop the rebellion. That's why China is trying it's best to censor the hell out of the Internet, instead of just shutting it off.

      At this point, if it was turned off, and not just knocked out, the connection is just down to prevent bad PR value for an upcoming massacre or something, the rebel fighters themselves are likely no longer relying on the internet to organize.

    6. Re:Mark my words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with the form of government. It doesn't matter. Democracy, dictatorship, theocracy, hell even anarchy all suffer from the same problem. They are all made up of human beings. Human beings are inherently evil. They excel at dominating over others whenever the opportunity exists to selfishly indulge in their incessent need to have more than the other guy. In my opinion democracy is the least harmful option. It's held in check by a wider group of individuals who don't like to be screwed. It's getting everyone to understand just how much power they have that causes most of the problems with it.

    7. Re:Mark my words: by plover · · Score: 2

      Or the Symbionese Libation Army?

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    8. Re:Mark my words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Deus Ex (and quite similarly, Douglas Adams) has provided the most important insight into politics. Anyone who desires power is unfit to have it.
      In Deus Ex, the solution was to have an overkill-grade AI run the menial tasks and act as a form of uninvolved arbiter to a (up to) planet-wide direct democracy (depending on the scope of the disagreement).
      In the Hitchhiker's Guide, the solution was to erase the memories of anyone who manages to get elected president of the galaxy.

    9. Re:Mark my words: by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

      -Winston Churchill

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    10. Re:Mark my words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is why man's right to swing their fist ends at another man's nose. Collectivism/Democracy is corrupt because it dictates the use of force against a minority.
      True democracy is not compatible with freedom, which is why we do not have a true democracy in the United States. The government is supposed to be there to defend the freedoms of man.

    11. Re:Mark my words: by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      S i rian invasion.

      goddamn /. is a basket of fail when it comes to properly rendering html formatting in comments

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    12. Re:Mark my words: by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      I assumed it meant "Assad's Last Stand", or something like that.

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    13. Re:Mark my words: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

      Yes, the trick is how to get people to be allowed to try other methods when all the land on Earth is claimed by groups that profess exclusive ownership.

      The Tannehills had some intriguing proposals in the 1970's. Bob Murphy has expanded on some of those.

      They might not all work, but one thing is for sure - if nobody is allowed to try other methods, a superior method will never be found. Many people suffer from chronological ethnocentrism - the idea that the current society is the best possible one (or at least the best that's ever existed).

      Asking democracies to democratically give up democracy is a logical paradox.

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    14. Re:Mark my words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Asking democracies to democratically give up democracy is a logical paradox.

      No, it isn't. How do you think Hitler got into power? You need to learn what a logical paradox actually is.

    15. Re:Mark my words: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      i'm sorry, but that's some really ignorant crap you believe

      the only valid form of government is a form of government that submits itself to the will of the people it rules. self rule. it doesn't get better than that. now there can be a better KIND of democracy, i buy that, like say virtual democracy. virtual democracy has problems, but i'm willing to believe there's still a better form of democracy out there

      but what i don't buy are these bullshit concepts where government is somehow dissolved and everything is shiny happy land. fucking bullshit. people need government. you heard me: people need government. without it, it's just rule by the guy with the biggest group of friends with the biggest guns. if you don't understand that, you don't understand much and should refrain from having cotton headed naive ideas that ignore basic human psychology and certain ugly, unremoveable aspects of basic human character

      there's always been utopianists, in ever era, in every land. i suppose we have to suffer the fools

      now mod me down for not putting up with the aspergers socially stunted anarchist/ no government/ free market fundamentalist morons. you heard me. now give me my -1

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    16. Re:Mark my words: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Wow, you're really so angry you can't hit the shift key, aren't you?

      Maybe that's a sign that you're arguing from a position of weakness, defending a belief rather than a defensible system?

      If you truly believe that there must always be majorities who oppress minorities, then surely that is a sad outlook (or psychopathic, depending on how Psych101 one wants to get). People need governance, but aggression-based governments do that really poorly. Ponder the distinction.

      Try specific critiques of the Tannehills proposals - it'll be educational. Lemme guess, you're not even willing to listen to their ideas, right?

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    17. Re:Mark my words: by dugjohnson · · Score: 1

      Actually I DO and did know the meaning of eponymous...and I was stretching it with the language.
      Assad (the person for whom the war is named ... eponymous) = A Sad war.
      I didn't say it was a good and/or especially clever stretch, but I certainly didn't think that eponymous meant sad...that would be dolorous.

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    18. Re:Mark my words: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      if you have to deal with enough morons like you, it gets very tedious

      i'm not going to argue with you, because it's like arguing with a creationist. same fervent belief and desire in the impossible and willful ignorance of the most basic concepts of reality

      just shut up, please, for your own sake

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  5. route around it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those of you who think the internet is some magically self-healing construct immune to accidental or intentional disconnection of nodes and subnetworks, this should serve to show that if you aren't in charge over the physical infrastructure, you are at the mercy of those who are.

    1. Re:route around it? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      it's okay, the internet can recover from a nuclear attack. As soon as somebody uses a nuke the internet will heal itself.

    2. Re:route around it? by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was supposed to be that, but through a combination of governments that can't seem to keep their fingers off and corporations determined to bill for every penny's worth even if it costs a dollar to do it, the net has been turned into a series of single points of failure.

    3. Re:route around it? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      one or two co-located cables is the weakness. multiple connections in multiple places (ie redundancy) is key to that self-healing effect.

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    4. Re:route around it? by Crimey+McBiggles · · Score: 2

      The Internet is self-healing to the extent that the infrastructure allows. However, Libya only has what, all of three underground cables connecting them to the rest of the world? http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ It's pretty easy to disconnect a country from the global Internet if said country lacks the redundancy of multiple global connection points.

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    5. Re:route around it? by N0Man74 · · Score: 2

      When I hear talk about the U.S. wanting a "kill switch" for the internet (in case of cyber attacks), I think of situations like this.

      Maybe the U.S. isn't going to have a revolution anytime soon, people should not allow their governments to cut them off from the rest of the world. If the government wants to protect itself in the event of cyber attacks, then create a kill switch for *essential* government connection to the internet. The private sector and smaller less essential government organizations should manage it themselves.

    6. Re:route around it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. There are only a handful of Tier-1 providers globally. How hard would it be to the USG to have them all shut down if it really wanted to?

    7. Re:route around it? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      That already happened once. Remember skynet?

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    8. Re:route around it? by jovius · · Score: 1

      But the internet does route around Syria.

    9. Re:route around it? by gorzek · · Score: 1

      Yup. If there's only one line going in or out of the country, it's easy to sever that and cut it off completely. Same if you have only two, or three, or ten.

      Well, what if you have hundreds, or thousands? Good luck shutting all those down!

      (Of course, you can also ruin things by polluting DNS and BGP.)

    10. Re:route around it? by gagol · · Score: 1

      Remember Collossus?

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    11. Re:route around it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, because of people's gullibility and preference for short term convenience over long term security and reliability, people have repeatedly chosen centralised services provided via the internet over distributed services that the internet used to be built upon.

      Intersite email has been replaced with gmail and conglomerate isp services, distributed news and mailing lists (usenet etc) have lost against facebook, slashdot and other shite. Uucp, ftp, and internet nfs have all been abandoned in favor of services like dropbox, s3, and rapidshare. Emailing video and image files as chain emails has been replaced with youtube, imgur and flickr.

      People have overwhelmingly set themselves up for this, but sure, go and blame the big evil corporations, instead of accepting blame for choosing convenience over control at every point. The internet was distributed and you guys didn't like it, now accept what you chose.

    12. Re:route around it? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter one whit if services are centralized or distributed if you're cut off into a little island of networks. People in Syria won't be looking at your flickr pages today. You also won't be emailing them your pictures today. You can post 'em on usenet if you like, but nobody in Syria is going to see them until the single point of failure is fixed. You won't be seeing any pictures they post up to a local usenet server either.

      The distributed services model WOULD work better iff there actually was an alternate route between Syria and the rest of the world since that would be more tolerant of limited bandwidth.

      I'm not saying the centralization of services is just fine (it's not), but that's not the problem here. And, BTW, the reason so many started using centralized servers is that those benevolent ISPs of yours strictly forbid running a server on your home connection.

    13. Re:route around it? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Having a kill switch embedded in commercial backbones saves the lives of the people who work there. the alternative is not no-killswitch, but an explosive kill switch in the form of rocket strikes at key backbone infrastructure locations.

      I'm good with that. It makes turning off the internet a much less trivial task. They can always just drive out to the common chokepoints and turn them off themselves. Probably quicker and more effective than missiles anyway.

    14. Re:route around it? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      And how many ISPs would suddenly get a lot more open in their peering policies if the option of using a teir 1 as a route of last resort went away?

      I think to really "shut down the internet" the US would at least have to get the europeans to play along.

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    15. Re:route around it? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Or rather it didn't route through it in the first place.

      In europe and north america we have networks of overland fibers because we have sufficient political stability that people aren't worried that their links run through intervening countries. If germany or france (or even the netherlands) shut down all internet links it would cause a LOT of pain for internet users in europe and to a lesser extent across the world but noone is seriously worried about that happening.

      OTOH in less stable parts of the world what you see is undersea cables hugging the coast with a landing point in every country they run past. If one country shuts down it's landing points noone else really cares.

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    16. Re:route around it? by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      So, you expect U.S. military personnel to go along with missile strikes to domestic civilian locations?

  6. which reminds me by HPHatecraft · · Score: 4, Funny

    of my favorite (most hated) phrase: "The [I]nternet is down(1!1!)".

    I usually think to myself "yes, the entire Internet. Gone. The bastards finally did it".

    1. Re:which reminds me by gagol · · Score: 1

      It can also mean the router is lying on the floor or the computer is downstair. Languages are so ambiguous!

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  7. Dig out those Dialup Modems by na1led · · Score: 1

    If you can get a working land line, there is always Dialup Providers you could call. Better than nothing I suppose, especially if its an emergency.

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    1. Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems by na1led · · Score: 1

      No, you call an "out-of-country provider". That was the point I was trying to make.

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    2. Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems by mrops · · Score: 2

      I'm no HAM operator, logic goes to say that some smart HAM operator in the 21st century should have figured out ethernet over HAM. too lazy to google.

    3. Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Packet radio is plenty common and widely used (well for Amateur Radio definitions of widely). Usually you do SLIP not ethernet, as that would be lots of extra overhead pushing ether frames back and forth for no good reason.

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    4. Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems by na1led · · Score: 1

      Nothing was mentioned about shutting down international calls, but if that's the case, might as well shutdown the whole damn country!

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    5. Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      You're also out of luck if the government decides to mortar all unauthorized transmitters.

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  8. Been a long time coming... by Mephistophocles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Syrian government has been threatening cutoff for a while. My money says this is no accident.

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    1. Re:Been a long time coming... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      No internet makes it easier to recreate the success of the 1981 attack on Hama again if they think it is needed, while suppressing news about it. You may want to recall Hama the next time you read some claim about how ruthless the Israelis are for killing a dozen Arabs trying to blow them up.

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  9. DAMMIT! by AuralityKev · · Score: 3, Funny

    I CAN'T GET TO LOLGOATS!

    1. Re:DAMMIT! by dywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      funny enough, that's a real site.
      http://lolgoats.net/

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    2. Re:DAMMIT! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      That reminds me. This coincides pretty closely with icanhascheezburger.com discontinuing the Go Cry Emo Kid sub-blog. I know I was pretty pissed so I could see a Syrian official saying "well screw the whole internet then, there's no point anymore!" and pulling the plug.

  10. Sattelite by neorush · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised areas like this don't have satellite coverage. I live in the middle of nowhere in New York and my satellite connection pops out in Colorado. We have a backup generator and all so when folks 15 miles away have no internet (they can all get cable/DSL) or power we don't even notice. I would think that if there was satellites in line of sight someone should hook themselves up to this and pop out in Italy or something. As long as you can generate power there is no problem staying online. I'm sure of course this comes down to economics.

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    1. Re:Sattelite by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Syria almost certainly does have Internet access still available by satellite service providers - satellite phones do work there after all. As with your example though, the service provider's IP space and the area being provided services need not be in the same locale. Chances are anyone still accessing the Internet in Syria will be geolocated to wherever the downlink station is - most probably elsewhere in the Middle East or Europe.

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  11. Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! by Dishevel · · Score: 2

    The whole of the Middle East and Most of Africa are in the slow zone.

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  12. Just give it a moment. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

    Directional WiFi into Lebanon, Jordan or Turkey.

  13. Oh Noes! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gosh folks, this is really Syria's.

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    1. Re:Oh Noes! by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It is assad day for all involved.

      The IT guys in charge of Syrian connectivity were overheard saying:
      "We didn't want to, damascus do it!"

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  14. Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    It was encoded into the very Internet. That will teach them to try and mess with artifacts in the Low Transcend that they don't understand.

  15. Re:Dibs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You just want www.pus.sy

  16. Re:This was not to aid the Syrian government. by tnk1 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Do you prefer to wear your tin-foil hat as a helmet, or as a tricorn with a jaunty feather in the band?

  17. Re:Would their network be as barbaric as I'd expec by RenderSeven · · Score: 1

    ..or hang up and dial back in?

  18. Re:Syria has the internet? by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Syria isn't Afghanistan. They may not be Europe or the US, but they do have urban centers with modern amenities. Those amenities simply don't penetrate very far outside those areas.

  19. Re:Cell (sail) around it? by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cellular is just a last mile solution to reach the mobile devices. The actual infrastructure that carries data between cells is primarily a physical network, generally fiber, with some copper to older towers. It's not going to do much to get data in and out of the country if Syrian Telecommunications has shut off the network.

    Unless you were just trying to make a joke. In that case, keep trying. Eventually you might.

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  20. Intentional by ternarybit · · Score: 3, Informative
  21. Rebal attack? by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

    Syrian government claims that this is the result of a "terrorist" (rebel) attack on the main connection cable, and that engineers are working on fixing it.

    1. Re:Rebal attack? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      So, in other words, assume the opposite is true.

  22. random chance? Yeah right! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    "appear[s] to have been knocked off line by heavy fighting earlier this morning." - uhhhh, no. Unless they were specifically all targeting some ruthless fiber optic cable or they managed to level their entire country, I don't think it happened by random chance. 10% of internet connections in Syria would be random chance.

  23. Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

    Are you sure you don't mean the Unthinking Depths?

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  24. Was Thinking Today... by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    I was thinking today that what we really need is an Android store-and-forward application that could create and search for ad-hoc wifi networks to push data along as someone walks around. There are some technical issues with doing that, of course, some of which are fairly easy to solve (Cryptographic signing to confirm identities) and some not so much (The secret police triangulating your position and shooting you in the head if you're running an ad-hoc wifi network on your phone.)

    Still might be worth throwing together a proof of concept, hmm...

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  25. Re:Dibs! by Tanks*Guns · · Score: 2

    Dude, curse you! you made me spit out my banana cream pie at my waitress.

  26. Re:Dibs! by formfeed · · Score: 1

    .. spit out my banana cream pie at my waitress.

    At the cheesecake factory?

  27. Re:Dibs! by Tanks*Guns · · Score: 2

    Not your typical Syria-related locale but yes, busted. Hmmm, goat-cheese falafel factory.

  28. Re:Meanwhile by Nostromo21 · · Score: 1

    Yep, not to take sides in this at all, BUT...'Palestine' is not a nation, country or even a single collection/race of people. Palestinians are a mixed bag of several ethnic groups & have never been a single people or nation, per se.

    Having said that, Israel never existed as a nation or had any recognised borders in the region until 1948, yet lay prior claim to the land - "God gave it to us!".

    So, who is right, the Muslim with 500 years & 20+ generations of people already living there, or the Jew, who was there 2000-5000+ years ago & has withstood everything God, nature and man have thrown against him since the early days...?

  29. Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    There's a mythos you don't expect to see much anymore. Even Vinge himself mocked it, in Rainbows End. Though he mocked the whole thing, including Tines. Tines definitely never took hold, but the Zones of Thought sure proliferated for a while. It's too bad the contents of Orion's Arm really can't be turned into a game. An MMO in that universe could have been interesting, if it wasn't for the fact that all the interesting parts can't be depicted.

  30. Netcraft confirms it... by waferbuster · · Score: 1

    Syrian internet is dead!

    (Ok, I know it's overused... but in this case it could actually apply!)

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  31. Cutting Internet = War Crime? by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    Under certian circumstances might we all agree that a people have the right to emergency communication when under oppression?

    Perhaps a certian human rights document needs to be unanimously agreed to in modern times which includes unubstructed secret communications with anyone in the world or beyond.

    Just my 2cents worth...

  32. The Internet Society on Syria’s Internet Shu by davecb · · Score: 1

    From their email of 1600 yesterday...

    On behalf of Lynn St. Amour, President and CEO, and the Internet Society Board of Trustees:

    Emerging reports from various organizations and individuals indicate that international Internet connectivity was shut off in Syria today. The Internet is an open, global medium for communication, idea exchange, empowerment, and innovation. Access to the global Internet is a crucial enabler of human rights.

    As with previous actions to block Internet traffic in Egypt and Libya, the effect of cutting off Internet traffic – ceasing the flow of information in and out of the country - is a serious action. It harms not only the citizens of Syria, but also Syria's economy and society at large. The Internet Society stands with other organizations around the world in calling for Internet access to be restored with all due speed and cooperation so that vital services can continue to function and citizens won’t be further impacted.

    First and foremost, the Internet Society joins with the rest of the world in its utmost concern about the safety and security of the Syrian people. Previous cases where such actions were deliberately taken have proven not only to be harmful, but to be ineffective. The Internet Society hopes that the volatile situation in Syria will come to a peaceful solution and that the citizens of Syria will soon be able to join the rest of the world in having their voices heard online.

    http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-syria%E2%80%99s-internet-shutdown

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  33. Space habitats, sealabs, and virtual realities by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    See especially JP Hogan's Voyage From Yesteryear: http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/info.php?titleID=29&cmd=summary

    BTW, some social semantic desktop ideas to consider for Tonika (but in Java): https://github.com/pdfernhout/Pointrel20120623

    Something to cosider on social organziation: http://www.t0.or.at/delanda/meshwork.htm
    "To make things worse, the solution to this is not simply to begin adding meshwork components to the mix. Indeed, one must resist the temptation to make hierarchies into villains and meshworks into heroes, not only because, as I said, they are constantly turning into one another, but because in real life we find only mixtures and hybrids, and the properties of these cannot be established through theory alone but demand concrete experimentation. Certain standardizations, say, of electric outlet designs or of data-structures traveling through the Internet, may actually turn out to promote heterogenization at another level, in terms of the appliances that may be designed around the standard outlet, or of the services that a common data-structure may make possible. On the other hand, the mere presence of increased heterogeneity is no guarantee that a better state for society has been achieved. After all, the territory occupied by former Yugoslavia is more heterogeneous now than it was ten years ago, but the lack of uniformity at one level simply hides an increase of homogeneity at the level of the warring ethnic communities. But even if we managed to promote not only heterogeneity, but diversity articulated into a meshwork, that still would not be a perfect solution. After all, meshworks grow by drift and they may drift to places where we do not want to go. The goal-directedness of hierarchies is the kind of property that we may desire to keep at least for certain institutions. Hence, demonizing centralization and glorifying decentralization as the solution to all our problems would be wrong. An open and experimental attitude towards the question of different hybrids and mixtures is what the complexity of reality itself seems to call for. To paraphrase Deleuze and Guattari, never believe that a meshwork will suffice to save us."

    Se also on new economic balances my "Five Interwoven Economies: Subsistence, Gift, Exchange, Planned, and Theft":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vK-M_e0JoY

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