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7 Jailed In 'Kidney For iPad' Case In China

hackingbear writes "In China, the whole team of medical staff and their brokers were sentenced to jail yesterday over their involvement in the case of a teenager who sold a kidney to buy an iPhone and iPad. He Wei, who organized the illegal transaction in April 2011, was sentenced to five years' imprisonment by the Beihu District People's Court in Chenzhou City. The court added that the defendants had paid compensation worth more than 1.47 million yuan (~ US $237,000) to Wang. Ministry of Health statistics show that about 1.5 million people in China need transplants, but only 10,000 operations are performed each year."

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  1. Don't sell your kidneys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sell somebody else's!

    1. Re:Don't sell your kidneys! by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      That takes this addiction to a new extreme...

    2. Re:Don't sell your kidneys! by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      Is it better to have a visible kidney in the hand, or an invisible hand in the market?

      You appear to presume the creation of some mystical system whereby the automatic availability of the former is assured, which would be a miraculous medical and social development even in the western world. In other words, without the latter, you may find yourself lacking the former. Yes Virginia, organ availability is primarily a social problem. It's a problem that isn't solvable in the political context, as the core of the issue deals with aspects of human rights and human nature that can't by any stretch of the imagination be forced or otherwise ethically regulated.

      Depending upon the severity of your need, this may be of grave concern to you, and you may find yourself willing to rethink your personal system of ethics accordingly.

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    3. Re:Don't sell your kidneys! by Sephwrath · · Score: 1

      As a non-American liberal (I think - not sure, but anyhow) you sound like my kind of libertarian. I have sympathy for the libertarian ideals... from what I have read they would come close to the anarchistic ideals of someone like Noam Chomsky... Which you may disagree with in principal... but which I find amusingly similar. I'm not necessarily as "extreme" as either of these pov's but I find it interesting that they seem to me to be so close (freedom of the individual, democratic authority) and yet so separate rhetorically. If there is a difference, please elaborate upon it and enlighten me! I am not averse to being persuaded. It seems to me that most people want the same things - Individual freedom while maximizing social stability... so I guess.. no, I hope... that we are all more similar than we like to think.

    4. Re:Don't sell your kidneys! by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      Sell somebody else's!

      Don't they have a huge prison population? Why can't they just have some of their more troublesome prisoners volunteer theirs? You know, the ones in trouble for spilling state "secrets", even if they're beyond obvious to everyone and his dog.

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  2. Aha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So you cannot sell your kidney?
    But you can donate your kidney...

    Sounds like prostitution -- action that is perfectly legal (for free), but cannot be done/sold for money.

    1. Re:Aha by gagol · · Score: 1

      Legal in Nevada IIRC.

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    2. Re:Aha by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Suicide is legal is most of the States and in most western countries.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Laws_in_individual_jurisdictions

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    3. Re:Aha by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      The irony is the walled garden he purchased.
      He is screwed regardless!

    4. Re:Aha by treeves · · Score: 1

      I sold myself to my employer...well it feels like that most of the time...why isn't that illegal?

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    5. Re:Aha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This would still be illegal, at least in the US. The 'victim' in question was 17, which would make this person a minor, so in your analogy you're talking about prostitution of a minor.

    6. Re:Aha by TFAFalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A prostitute just rents her body, she doesn't sell it.

    7. Re:Aha by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Hey baby! You're full of... organs... aren't you? Are you using all of them? Want to come back to my place and... donate a kidney?

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    8. Re:Aha by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

      This is not always true. Consider the case of the emancipated minor.

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  3. Making of a horror movie. by formfeed · · Score: 5, Funny

    You wake up in a bathtub filled with ice, an ipad in your hand.

    1. Re:Making of a horror movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      pick up ice

    2. Re:Making of a horror movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's cold! You put the ice back.

    3. Re:Making of a horror movie. by gagol · · Score: 1

      Justified had an episode similar to that.

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    4. Re:Making of a horror movie. by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      Look in pocket. Take analgesic.

    5. Re:Making of a horror movie. by SternisheFan · · Score: 2
      Your head clears a bit. Too bad it's going to be the last day of your life.

      Take towel.

    6. Re:Making of a horror movie. by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      There is a grue under the towel.

      You have been eaten by a grue.

      The grue takes your iPad and sells it on eBay. No respawn for you, lol.

      GAME OVER, man!! Game over!

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    7. Re:Making of a horror movie. by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      Tell me... are you the male or the female of your species? Either way... You Lose!

  4. Can't wait for the SuperBowl... by Genda · · Score: 1

    To see Apple's new iPad commercial.... A Chinese boy stripped to the waste rocking out to the latest iTunes on his iPad with a huge scar over his left hip. The captions reads "IT WAS WORTH IT!!!

  5. Misleading title.. by David_Hart · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you RTFA, you will find that the donor was paid in cash. He then took this cash and bought an iPhone and an iPad. "Wang was given 22,000 yuan (US$3,529) and he bought an iPhone and an iPad with the money."

    But.... don't let the facts get in the way of a good PR title....

    1. Re:Misleading title.. by Squiddie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doesn't change the fact that he sold his kidney so he could buy those items.

    2. Re:Misleading title.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The headline implies he got an iPad, but in fact he got an iPad and an iPhone!

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    3. Re:Misleading title.. by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      The headline implies he got an iPad, but in fact he got an iPad and an iPhone!

      Phew! I was worried they took advantage of him for a moment there!

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  6. Microsoft is screwed by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    They can't even buy a kidney with a Surface tablet.

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  7. Re:its amusing by gagol · · Score: 2

    He said: cause I think I have seen like 3 iPads in the wild (phones yea a ton) that people owned and not just behind a case, this guy endangers his life for one, and it will be obsolete before the stink from this case ends. its just a toy people

    Translation: I have seen plenty of iPhones but iPads are rarely seen by me, thus I consider them to be an expensive toy.

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  8. So you mean to tell me by kiriath · · Score: 1

    All I had to do to get an iPad was sell my Kidney?

    I wonder how long I could live off of selling all my organs?

    1. Re:So you mean to tell me by gagol · · Score: 1

      I would recommend drug testing. Safer, legal and non taxable IIRC. Me, I will keep my health, thank you.

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    2. Re:So you mean to tell me by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Does the iPad come with a smartcover? Might be worth a kidney or two then... :-O

  9. Always wondered... by flimflammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is the reasoning behind it being illegal to sell your non-vital organs? Is it to prevent people from being coerced into it under the guise of a legitimate transaction? Some weird pseudo prostitution thing about "selling your body"? Purely moral taboo?

    Always wondered why this was the case. You'd think if this venue was opened up, there would be more organs going where they are needed without requiring the donor first have a nasty case of death.

    1. Re:Always wondered... by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      Non-vital, lol!

    2. Re:Always wondered... by Stickerboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is the reasoning behind it being illegal to sell your non-vital organs? Is it to prevent people from being coerced into it under the guise of a legitimate transaction? Some weird pseudo prostitution thing about "selling your body"? Purely moral taboo?

      Always wondered why this was the case. You'd think if this venue was opened up, there would be more organs going where they are needed without requiring the donor first have a nasty case of death.

      First: kidneys are vital organs. Just because the human body has a built-in redundancy does not make it any less necessary to live. Some people, depending on their preexisting health, won't be able to tolerate the removal of a kidney either without taking a significant hit to their kidney function.

      Second: opening the marketplace for donor human organs to profit motives is a bad idea all around. But, if you can solve the human conditions of corruption, avarice and socioeconomic inequality than yes, it might be workable.

      By the time a workable profiteering model for selling organs is adopted, we'll be growing MHC-matched replacement organs in the lab.

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    3. Re:Always wondered... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I think it's because the people who are willing to sell them rarely understand the consequences of doing so. Like this guy, there is no way on earth that a kidney is worth an iPad and an iPhone. It's not even worth a Windows8 phone!

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    4. Re:Always wondered... by artor3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it's an incredibly foolish thing to do, and anyone entering into such a deal is being exploited. And unlike some cases of exploitation, such as payday loans, there's no going back on this one. This kid was just seventeen, and he was tricked into a transaction that will negatively impact him for the rest of his life. It's akin to selling highly addictive drugs. You can talk about free markets and rational self-interest all you want, but in the real world, people make mistakes. We should protect each other from making mistakes that one can never recover from.

    5. Re:Always wondered... by deburg · · Score: 1

      there is no way on earth that a kidney is worth an iPad and an iPhone.

      You saying the kidney is worth less than the iPad/iPhone? (GRIN)

      Anyway, the case happened some time ago, so I bet the kid's crying now for the new model ipad/iphone.

    6. Re:Always wondered... by rollingcalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "What is the reasoning behind it being illegal to sell your non-vital organs? Is it to prevent people from being coerced into it under the guise of a legitimate transaction?"

      Years ago in India when selling kidneys was legal, many people actually were coerced into selling their kidneys. Sometimes the coercion was by family members, other times by the kidney brokers who would get a cut of the transaction.
      This particular case is aggravated by the age of the donor (seller), a 17 year old minor.

      "Always wondered why this was the case. You'd think if this venue was opened up, there would be more organs going where they are needed without requiring the donor first have a nasty case of death."

      Or it could actually decrease the available supply if people who would have otherwise donated out of kindness start demanding more and more money, making the transplants more unaffordable. And some people staying out of it altogether because they're disgusted with the coercion and corruption.

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    7. Re:Always wondered... by boneglorious · · Score: 1

      You mean every rich one who needs an organ transplant getting an organ transplant. That's why the playing field is so uneven: it would be a direct transfer of health to the wealthy.

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    8. Re:Always wondered... by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Donating blood is a very safe (and selfless) act to do. There are stories of men and women who've donated every month, and even more often. Just don't go and do extreme anything for a day or so.

    9. Re:Always wondered... by luther349 · · Score: 1

      if we let people sell body parts don't be surprised if someone kills you just to take everything to sell it. we would be talking millions of dollars hear.

    10. Re:Always wondered... by stymy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Perhaps you should write a modest proposal.

  10. Re:/., the Enquirer For Geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    who modded this up? it's late at night here in the us where slashdot editors live. sure, this isn't exactly the most exciting story in the world, but it's an interesting read and is related to technology in the sense that it portrays the lengths some people will go to to get their hands on hot tech products.

    isn't this something slashdotters love to mock? down with consumerism and all that (while they themselves are buying gadgets faster than ever, of course ...)? i would think this'd be exactly the sort of story slashdotters would love.

  11. Re:its amusing by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    I predict that someone mentally ill enough to trade his kidney for an ipad will not handle his 1.47 million yuan in a prudent manner.

  12. Re:its amusing by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    cause I think I have seen like 3 iPads in the wild (phones yea a ton) that people owned and not just behind a case, this guy endangers his life for one, and it will be obsolete before the stink from this case ends.

    its just a toy people

    It is just a toy, yet people insist on risking it all for these 'shinys. Four Hofstra University students, who all had scholarsips and bright futures, have thrown it all away for a short term gain. "Find my iPad" saves the day again. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/colonial/2012/11/30/4-hofstra-basketball-players-charged-in-burglaries/1737957/

  13. Overpriced... by XeXeN · · Score: 1

    I knew iPad's cost an arm and a leg, but now a kidney? Apple has gone to far...

  14. Re:its amusing by unkiereamus · · Score: 1

    I'm honestly not trying to make a mother's basement joke here, but seriously, how much of a shut in are you, that you've only seen three iPads in the wild?

    I'm virtually a hermit, and I see three uniques a week, easy.

    And before you ask, no, I don't live in Cupertino, I live in New Mexico (and not Los Alamos, either), which is 47th in the country by GDP per capita.

    I don't own one, I don't want one, and I'm very much not in their target demographic, and it's blindingly obvious that all of that is true of you as well, but the things are popular, massively so, and refusing to acknowledge that by making snide, derogatory comments that just flat out deny reality makes you look like either a) a zealot who is frothing at his mouth, 2) a blithering idiot or III) someone who lives in a shack in the woods and hasn't been in the same room as another human being in 10 years.

    My money's on 1), but for all I know it could be C), your written presentation aside, I genuinely don't believe it's II).

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  15. Re:its amusing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    should he speak retard

    Like using a singular article (a) with a plural noun (people)?

    It should be "it's just [some] toy people" or "it's a toy person".

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  16. Re:its amusing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It is just a toy, yet people insist on risking it all for these 'shinys.

    Worst apostrophe EVER.

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  17. Re:That's nothing. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    That's like the time I broke three ribs playing Rugby, but still completed the game. Hurt? By the look on his face, I'd say so!

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  18. Re:its amusing by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    It is just a toy, yet people insist on risking it all for these 'shinys.

    Worst apostrophe EVER.

    It was meant to be 'shinys' . Critique accepted though.

    Man, once you hit that "submit" button on /. , there's no going back. :-(

  19. Why is it illegal? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Once the business of organ farming starts, China is facing an enormous market for healthy, young organs and an aging population that needs them around the world. It's much simpler to simply outlaw, outright, than to start trying to manage and regulate such a business.

    1. Re:Why is it illegal? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but once you outlaw something there's a need for, you create an illegal market for it, like alcohol prohibition. Growing organs from stem cells isn't viable yet, if it ever will be. Jeez, we've got college educated doctors involved in the organ black market over the last decade. Lots of old rich people who can't face dying naturally will pay, no questions asked, if it buys them a little more time. I don't see any easy solution here, not with easy big money to lure the young and ignorant with.

    2. Re:Why is it illegal? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Once the business of organ farming starts

      You're not paying attention. When China executes someone, and they admit to executing ten times as many people as the USA per capita, not just overall (!) they pack them into a truck where they are lethally injected (search "chinese death van") and their family never sees their body again. If there's any reason to behave this way other than organlegging, I don't know what it is.

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  20. Re:That's nothing. by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    Hey, it is not a joke for some. When I was a kid, 'Coma' was just a scary movie, a work of fiction about a creepy organ harvesting hospital. Today, bodies are found missing body parts in different parts of the world, some people truly are 'ghouls'. Human life is cheap to some if profit$ involved. Some scary shit.

  21. Not sustainable by foma84 · · Score: 1

    All moral concerns aside, it is also not sustainable.
    If you sell a kidney in your youth, you will probably have kidney problems further in life and need a kidney transplant, in addition to all the other cases not related with early donation.
    The demand will be higher than supply in a matter of decades.

  22. they will just take them from people in prison / j by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    they will just take them from people in prison / jails then or maybe just people on death row.

  23. Re: its amusing by paimin · · Score: 1

    English would be a start.

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  24. The kid was lucky by Megahard · · Score: 1

    They could easily have made a tragic mistake, since his name is Wang.

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    1. Re:The kid was lucky by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      They could've harvested his Wang minicomputer?

    2. Re:The kid was lucky by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      They didn't because... Wang cares!

  25. Re:/., the Enquirer For Geeks by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 1

    We hold here in high esteem the opines of anonymous cowards. Please forgive me, I must have been so wrong to attempt to point out the similarity between this erstwhile article and those championed by the esteemed tabloids to which you subscribe. You're right, this article literally screams /., because it take so little expertise to jump right into the fray and with deep emotional conviction make some bullshit up and enlighten the world with the searing light that powers your blinding insight. Again, forgive me, and allow me to stand down to make way for your in-depth analysis of this game-changing technological discovery.

    Proceed.</end-sarcasm>

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  26. Re:That's nothing. by luther349 · · Score: 1

    body parts in the black market go for at least a quarter million. i have seen story's of that. the poor kid should have gotten much more then some apple junk.

  27. But that's not even enough ... by danwiz · · Score: 1

    But that's not even enough money to cover the RIAA damages for the first two songs he pirated!

  28. 5 years?... by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 1

    Only 5 years? In surprised that they weren't executed, considering it's China.

    5 years is nothing when the teen has to go through a lifetime of medical procedures...

  29. He Wei? by MatrixCubed · · Score: 1

    He *wei* over his head...