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Scientists Develop Chocolate That Won't Melt At High Temperatures

Zothecula writes "One of life's less pleasant surprises is discovering the chocolate bar that you forgot you had in your pocket on a hot day. Two scientists working at Cadbury's research and development plant in Bourneville, U.K., are fighting that gooey surprise with the invention of chocolate that remains solid even when exposed to temperatures of 40 C (104 F) for more than three hours. Aimed at tropical markets, the 'temperature tolerant chocolate' is described in a World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) patent application."

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  1. New slogan by oodaloop · · Score: 2

    Melts in your Mouth. Not in your pocket.

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    1. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that it wouldn't melt in your mouth and thus probably also be less delicious than normal chocolate.

    2. Re:New slogan by uncanny · · Score: 3, Funny

      chocolate that remains solid even when exposed to temperatures of 40 C (104 F) for more than three hours

      If your mouth is 104 F you might want to see a doctor!

    3. Re:New slogan by paiute · · Score: 2

      Melts in your Mouth. Not in your pocket.

      Melts in an oven. Not in your intestines.

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    4. Re:New slogan by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that it wouldn't melt in your mouth and thus probably also be less delicious than normal chocolate.

      RTA:

      The problem was that making a chocolate bar that wouldn't melt wasn't hard. What was hard was to make one that people still wanted to eat. The military bars didn't melt and they were nutritious, but they were difficult to eat and they didn't taste very good. Thatâ(TM)s because the usual way to keep chocolate from melting was to either add fillers like oat flour and swap the cocoa butter for other fats, which made it taste like a candle, or adding water or glycerol to encourage sugar crystal formation, which made it gritty. Cadbury's approach is...

      Well, I won't spoil it for you.

    5. Re:New slogan by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      You got it' It's why others that invented it years ago did not market it. It change the taste and mouth feel of chocolate. Test groups did not like it.

      This is not a new invention, Back in 2009 another company already announced it.

      http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2540765/Scientists-develop-new-type-of-chocolate-which-does-not-melt-in-the-mouth.html

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    6. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try further back. Look at chocolate and WWII.

    7. Re:New slogan by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Informative

      I worked with/on Hershey's Desert Bar. In 1990.

      http://www.hersheyarchives.org/essay/details.aspx?EssayId=39
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/7290674224/

      It was processing the egg whites to withstand structural changes at higher temps.

      I put one in a flame on a gas stove. It burned, did not melt.

      They were tolerable to eat, but not great. Much like last year's halloween candy.

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    8. Re:New slogan by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, "Hot Mouth Disease" can be pretty awful.

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    9. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it wouldn't melt in your mouth and thus probably also be less delicious than normal chocolate.

      RTA:

      The problem was that making a chocolate bar that wouldn't melt wasn't hard. What was hard was to make one that people still wanted to eat. The military bars didn't melt and they were nutritious, but they were difficult to eat and they didn't taste very good. Thatâ(TM)s because the usual way to keep chocolate from melting was to either add fillers like oat flour and swap the cocoa butter for other fats, which made it taste like a candle, or adding water or glycerol to encourage sugar crystal formation, which made it gritty.

      Cadbury's approach is...

      Well, I won't spoil it for you.

      I read the article, it says nothing about the chocolate melting in your mouth.

      Are you saying it still will?

    10. Re:New slogan by bhartman34 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you're missing an important point of physics: If it won't melt at 104F, it won't melt at 98.6F, either, which is the problem. :)

    11. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your doctor is in your mouth on the other hand, you might want some real chocolate afterwards.

    12. Re:New slogan by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My wet-blanket reply of the day follows.
      The primary mechanism for chocolate breakup in your mouth is dissolving (and some early enzymatic breakup), not melting. If you really waited around for even soft chocolates to melt at 37-ish degrees Celsius, you would not have a good time.
      What would matter to the consumers of this new chocolate,then, would be its texture and dissolution rate, not its melting temperature.

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    13. Re:New slogan by jfengel · · Score: 2

      I had some of those bars, from mid-80s MREs. They were just awful: as one friend put it "the more you chew it, the bigger it gets".

      If you thought of them as more akin to Tootsie Rolls than chocolate, they weren't so bad (though I'm not a fan of Tootsie Rolls, either).

    14. Re:New slogan by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Good thing you weren't eating MRE's in the late 90's/early 2000's then, they often included tootsie rolls, and I hated those.

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    15. Re:New slogan by MarkGriz · · Score: 2

      Ok, new slogan

      "Tastes like shit, but at least it doesn't melt in your hands"

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    16. Re:New slogan by Anonymous+Matt · · Score: 2

      Cadbury's approach is...

      Well, I won't spoil it for you.

      Aw, man. I had to click on the article.

    17. Re:New slogan by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      But conventional Hershey's tastes like wax anyway. Why bother?

      My preference is Theo or Kalila 85% +

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    18. Re:New slogan by crispin_bollocks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the 70s, friends in Ecuador used to occasinally send us candy. Mostly chocolate bars w.peanuts, and pressed coconut w/cocoa.. The chocolate bars were tolerant of higher temperatures and had a different mouth feel. Not bad, just different (and delicious).

    19. Re:New slogan by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the chocolate they sell in the Caribbean and Central America, doesn't melt as fast but loaded with tons of sugar to ruin the taste.

    20. Re:New slogan by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Your taste preference is not typical, so why bother?

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    21. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why Cadbury's factories were adding toxic melamine to their chocolate in 2008!

    22. Re:New slogan by shpoffo · · Score: 1

      Did you ever hear that there was any health consideration? - meaning that maybe it would be bad for you, like crisco / hydrogenated oil, because it too would have a higher melting point than much of the body temperature, and therefore clog-up the body channels

    23. Re:New slogan by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      OMG! Won't anybody think of the chocolate?!

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    24. Re:New slogan by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Not that I was aware of.

      However, it was egg whites not fat. So it wouldn't be similar to oils.

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    25. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wet blanket or not, that's interesting trivia. Glad you posted.

    26. Re:New slogan by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      My preference is Theo or Kalila 85% +

      Just in case you need to know, Ghirardelli is still good, Droste is still good, Lindt is now shit. This is relevant if you're looking for gourmet chocolate in a supermarket.

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    27. Re:New slogan by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Yeah I agree, how can anyone say Hershey's tastes like wax?! I mean the dead fish flavour is so overwhelming how can you taste anything else?

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    28. Re:New slogan by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      That's nothing. Combined with the new 60-day bread, we're looking at an indestructible eclair.

    29. Re:New slogan by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I live 200 yards from a tree-hugger supermarket that sells a lot of fancy chocolate including Theo and Kalila.

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    30. Re:New slogan by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      no, they do not taste like fish. if you're going to keep bars in your back pocket, wash your ass.

    31. Re:New slogan by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      we already have the cream fileed suffle that lasts on the order of geological time, the twinkie. The only long term threat to twinkes is proton decay, if such exists.

    32. Re:New slogan by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      hush! the secret ingredient that makes it possible is a trade secret!

    33. Re:New slogan by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      no, they do not taste like fish

      Perhaps not to someone who doesn't know any better, but they sure do if you enjoy chocolate. Maybe closer to a bacterial throat infection than fish, I'll grant you that. Even Cadbury's tastes better, and you'd have to be down on your luck to eat their imitation chocolate.

      Trust me, after my two (2) bites of a Hershey's (I was determined to finish it, but in the event I just couldn't summon up the strength), I won't be letting a bar of it come anywhere near my back, nor any other, pocket. Absolutely foul.

      I can't understand how anyone could enjoy it, but hey, other people other tastes ... some folks absolutely love Durian fruit too ... and that tastes even worse than Hershey's!

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    34. Re:New slogan by dbIII · · Score: 1

      For a few years I used to get "compound chocolate" to take on camping trips when the temperature was up above 35C, I'm not sure who made it since it was sold in a plain white packet as a supermarket chain's "home brand". There was even a fruit and nut version. It was far cheaper than normal blocks of chocolate but didn't taste anywhere near as good as even the cheap and nasty stuff the cheapest easter eggs are made of, but it didn't melt at 35C+. I don't know if it melted at body temperature and I don't know if it's still sold (I gave up on eating it).
      Of course there's also the workaround from Spain introduced in the USA in the 1930s of coating the chocolate in something that doesn't melt - the m&m.

    35. Re:New slogan by dbIII · · Score: 1

      And here I was just thinking that they taste like that due to six months at sea in an oil soaked shipping container before they get to my country :)
      I shouldn't even joke, the stuff is going to be old before it gets to Australia so isn't going to match fresh local or NZ stuff made with real sugar instead of corn crap, let alone something shipped refridgerated from Europe.

    36. Re:New slogan by TranquilVoid · · Score: 1

      What has changed with Lindt? It's certainly not the most gourmet chocolate available but I haven't noticed a change over the years. No other gourmet brand is widely available in supermarkets where I'm from so it remains a staple. I tend to grab Camille Bloch from European importers when passing by.

      Having tried Lindt in Switzerland I noticed no real difference (although not an A/B). On the other hand many English friends claim Cadbury in Australia is quite different (inferior of course) due to changes they make for the climate difference.

    37. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't eat a Hershey bar any more than I would even consider listening to recorded music on anything other than vinyl, or drinking coffee that didn't take me at least 45 minutes to properly prepare.

    38. Re:New slogan by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What has changed with Lindt

      It doesn't dissolve like it used to, I would describe it as "waxy". I've been eating it since I was a child, it has most definitely changed. Oddly, Ghirardelli didn't go downhill when they bought them, which is why I mention it. If anything, THEY have improved. I still prefer european chocolate in general, but Lindt no longer qualifies. I've been eating it for 20 years, so I think I know what I'm talking about.

      Cadbury chocolate is inferior no matter where you buy it.

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    39. Re:New slogan by jedwidz · · Score: 1

      There's always been a little shit in the chocolate.

    40. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude if you're taking 45min to make a coffee you need to get your technique together and you're missing out on a lot of good music which will never make it onto vinyl, BUT as far as not eating vomit-flavoured chocolate ... Well duh!

      Your irony fails because you mistakenly assume that Hershey's is just normal everyday chocolate. In point of fact chocolate made form deliberately spoiled milk is way out there and practically inedible by anyone not exposed to it from early childhood.

      An Australian, for example, would never suffer from your blinding cultural chauvinism by failing to understand why non-Australians find it really difficult to eat so infamous and "everyday" food as Vegemite on toast. Instead they make fun of the weak foreigners who choke on the stuff ... which is probably how you should approach those weak non-Americans who prefer chocolate that doesn't taste like puke.

    41. Re:New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary mechanism of this chocolate would be dissolving. Ordinary chocolate melts before it dissolves; that's what gives it its rich, decadent, melted-chocolate texture.

      If you want to pick nits, the fact is that ordinary chocolate both melts and dissolves in your mouth, but it'd take a lot longer to dissolve if it didn't melt. So the primary mechanism is melting, not dissolving. Try dissolving chocolate in cold water and see how well things go, if you'd like.

  2. 1st Iraq war???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could've sworn there was a news story back during the 1st Iraq war about a chocolate being developed to withstand the high heat for the American troops. Too bad i'm too lazy to Google it.

    1. Re:1st Iraq war???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could this be why the article states "the U.S. military commissioned companies, most notably Hershey’s, to develop and manufacture chocolate bars for soldiers that could be carried in a pocket or stored at tropical temperatures" perhaps? Too lazy to read the article too?

    2. Re:1st Iraq war???? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'd have found it was just a remake of the WWII era tropical bars. I ate a couple (of the modern remakes, I was in .mil in the 90s). It was icky.

      You know how cheap american chocolate (Hersheys) is like room temperature brown colored Crisco? The tropical stuff was basically the same stuff but a texture / mouth feel more like refrigerated brown Crisco.

      I imagine this "invention" is about the 4th generation re-invention. Food science is just like IT, every decade or two, the same old ideas get lipstick and a new dress on the old pig and a big announcement about the new baby, while the old timers roll their eyes, not that crap again....

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    3. Re:1st Iraq war???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I imagine this "invention" is about the 4th generation re-invention. Food science is just like IT, every decade or two, the same old ideas get lipstick and a new dress on the old pig and a big announcement about the new baby, while the old timers roll their eyes, not that crap again....

      Yeah, it's really too bad you didn't read the article. Otherwise, you'd look far more clever in your silence.

    4. Re:1st Iraq war???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have found it was just a remake of the WWII era tropical bars. I ate a couple (of the modern remakes, I was in .mil in the 90s). It was icky.

      You know how cheap american chocolate (Hersheys) is like room temperature brown colored Crisco? The tropical stuff was basically the same stuff but a texture / mouth feel more like refrigerated brown Crisco.

      I imagine this "invention" is about the 4th generation re-invention. Food science is just like IT, every decade or two, the same old ideas get lipstick and a new dress on the old pig and a big announcement about the new baby, while the old timers roll their eyes, not that crap again....

      I, for one, find your comment insulting. Hershey's tastes much better than most of those European brands that taste like powdered milk...YUK!!!

    5. Re:1st Iraq war???? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hershey's tastes like brown paraffin wax.

      I had a bar of Dairy Milk for the first time in a long while last week. It too was like wax. I suspect that quality has suffered since Kraft bought them out.

      I stopped liking their mainstream products anyway - the cocoa solids content, at only 22%, isn't really worthy of the name "chocolate", but at least the mouth feel was OK previously.

      They also own Green & Blacks, who produce some very nice everyday chocolate. Their milk starts at 34% cocoa solids, and they do bars all the way up to 70% and 80%.

    6. Re:1st Iraq war???? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      They also own Green & Blacks, who produce some very nice everyday chocolate. Their milk starts at 34% cocoa solids, and they do bars all the way up to 70% and 80%.

      Everyday chocolate. Now that's what I call life.

    7. Re:1st Iraq war???? by smg5266 · · Score: 2

      Another Hershey purchase was Dagoba chocolates. Their 87% is excellent

  3. Constipation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After this chocolate comes to market, sales of Exlax and Metamucil sky rocket in the countries where this chocolate is sold.

  4. Can't wait to try it by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From TFA : Temperature tolerant chocolate has been around since the 1930s, but it sucks because it becomes too hard and tastes bad.

    I can't wait to try a bar of this stuff and compare it to the normal kind. Obviously, since it doesn't melt in your mouth, it won't be the same, but if it is soft and easy to chew, and disolves in saliva, maybe the eating experience will be similar.

    Personally, I find the most enjoyable chocolate to be Hershey's Symphony bars that have been frozen.

    1. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I find the most enjoyable chocolate to be Hershey's Symphony bars that have been frozen.

      If your favorite chocolate is Hershey's anything, the only explanation is that you've never tasted chocolate.

      Hershey's chocolate isn't chocolate. I'm not saying this in an elitist, "it's so bad you can't consider it chocolate way." I mean, they don't use cacao, which is definition of chocolate.

    2. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, since it doesn't melt in your mouth, it won't be the same, but if it is soft and easy to chew, and disolves in saliva, maybe the eating experience will be similar.

      This kind of sounds like a tootsie roll... meh.

    3. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're mostly right -- Symphony would not be included on a chocolate snob's list, but it's mainly due to the use of soy lecithin rather than cocoa butter.

    4. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I find the most enjoyable chocolate to be Hershey's ...

      You lost me there. I thought you were talking about chocolate.

    5. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that even qualify as chocolate outside the US? In EU it needs to have at least 25% cocoa mass to be called milk chocolate (or 35% to make it into the regular chocolate class).

    6. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking cretin. Of course it contains cacao. What it does NOT contain is cacao butter.

    7. Re:Can't wait to try it by guises · · Score: 1

      Hershey's Special Dark has won quite a few taste tests. It's by no means the best there is, but declaring a product to be worthless just because of its branding is no better than declaring a product to be great just because of its branding (or lack of branding).

    8. Re:Can't wait to try it by retchdog · · Score: 1

      soy lecithin doesn't replace cocoa butter; it's an additive in relatively small amounts that makes the mouthfeel smoother/creamier. the snobbiest of chocolates don't use soy lecithin, but some good chocolates do, not just mass market crap.

      the bigger problem is hydrogenated vegetable oil replacing cocoa butter. hating that doesn't make you a snob, it just means that your taste buds are functional.

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    9. Re:Can't wait to try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, they don't use cacao

      This is demonstrably untrue, and yet not only do you believe it, so does at least one gullible and lazy moderator.

  5. Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by jbridges · · Score: 2

    Not going to melt in your mouth unless you have a high fever.

    So it's going to be like chewing on chocolate flavored crayons.

    1. Re:Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, I can't wait then.
      I was never able to get the brown crayon, I always got stuck with the black and green ones.

    2. Re:Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by TechForensics · · Score: 1

      Well, if you got this chocolate to your body temperature in your mouth, is there any reason why your saliva still wouldn't *dissolve* it?

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    3. Re:Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by Hatta · · Score: 1

      So it will be like eating a Hershey's bar?

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    4. Re:Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by bhartman34 · · Score: 1

      Melting isn't the same as dissolving, is it? Your saliva will dissolve a Starburst, for example, but it doesn't exactly have a melting sensation. :)

    5. Re:Unless you have a high fever, chewing crayons by sjames · · Score: 2

      Fats don't dissolve in water.

  6. It won't melt in your hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or your mouth.

  7. Already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had some tropical Hershey's from circa Korean War

    1. Re:Already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were mislead, that was actually napalm.

    2. Re:Already been done by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      GI Joe tossed you a salad, eh?

  8. Feature not Bug! by tempmpi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly: chocolate melting almost exactly at body temperature is a feature not a bug.

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    1. Re:Feature not Bug! by aurispector · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention that we developed anti-melting chocolate technology during WW2 called "M&Ms".

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    2. Re:Feature not Bug! by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's actually stolen technology: Smarties

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    3. Re:Feature not Bug! by Meneth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Copied, not stolen.

    4. Re:Feature not Bug! by TheFakeMcCoy · · Score: 1

      Exactly: chocolate melting almost exactly at body temperature is a feature not a bug.

      Not when you are eating the new iChocolate!

    5. Re:Feature not Bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose someone could call it Intellectual Property Theft.

    6. Re:Feature not Bug! by aix+tom · · Score: 2

      Not when you are eating the new iChocolate!

      With a built-in non-swappable battery that heats it to 120 C ( 248 F ) while in your mouth so that it melts?

    7. Re:Feature not Bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once heard a story about some woman who spent weeks in jail after being stopped in US customs with those. Her whole vacation was lost because they had to analyze it before letting her go.

    8. Re:Feature not Bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proper terminology is, of course, "confectionery infringement"

    9. Re:Feature not Bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both much better than rat droppings!

    10. Re:Feature not Bug! by anavictoriasaavedra · · Score: 1

      Agreed... pocket temperature brings out flavors not present at room temperature.

    11. Re:Feature not Bug! by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Don't know about those, but Kinder Eggs are illegal in the U.S. - Illegal Kinder Eggs

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    12. Re:Feature not Bug! by jedwidz · · Score: 1

      Tangential, but the story of how E.T. featured Reece's Pieces instead of M&Ms is a good yarn: http://www.snopes.com/business/market/mandms.asp

    13. Re:Feature not Bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this pirate thanks you

  9. Obligatory Warning by Cruciform · · Score: 5, Funny

    If your chocolate bar remains hard for more than four hours, please see a confectioner.

  10. A gooey surprise... by art6217 · · Score: 1

    ...is when I try to eat a frozen chocolate on a winter day. It tastes like goo. Can it be, because it does not melt?

  11. I hope it tastes better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reactions to current high-temp chocolate has been mixed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate There have been attempts since WWII.

    1. Re:I hope it tastes better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reactions to current high-temp chocolate has been mixed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate There have been attempts since WWII.

      WWIII and they get it right?

  12. Heat Tolerant Chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more hot chocolate, unless its waay to hot to drink. Whats the point of candy that won't melt in your mouth?

    1. Re:Heat Tolerant Chocolate by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Whats the point of candy that won't melt in your mouth?

      I take it you don't have noisy children...

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  13. Mandatory reading for all chocolate threads by paiute · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:Mandatory reading for all chocolate threads by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Regarding cheap chocolate, here's the opposite end of the spectrum: Most Expensive Chocolate.

  14. My life is now complete by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Although, unfortunately, I can't say I've ever forgotten about a chocolate bar that's in my possession.

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    1. Re:My life is now complete by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Chocolate bars never manage to stay in my posession long enough to be forgotten about...

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  15. M&Ms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Melts in your Mouth. Not in your pocket.

    Are you misquoting the M&Ms slogan or did you just accidentally recapitulate it. You know that's why M&M were invented right? to solve the same problem for GIs in WW2.

    1. Re:M&Ms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      invented? you mean copied.

  16. Does it taste better than a D-Bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    High temperature chocolates are not new. In WWII, the US Military created emergency rations in the form of chocolate bars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate) that remained solid up to 120 degrees. It was kind of an in-joke how unpalatable they were, but this was part of the design. As an emergency ration, they wanted you to have to be *really* hungry before you ate them.

    1. Re:Does it taste better than a D-Bar? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I don't know whether I should be less surprised by the fact that mil-spec chocolate exists or by the fact that it doesn't taste all that good. :-)

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    2. Re:Does it taste better than a D-Bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember eating Hershey's 'Tropical Chocolate' up through the 70's. Kind of an acquired taste; but nobody ELSE liked it, so they wouldn't steal it from me in school(!).

      During desert Storm Hershey's tried re-working the recipe but the project ran longer than the war: Hershey sold-off the remaining stocks to the public as "Desert Bars" (or something like that) with a desert-camo-colored wrapper. I liked those too until they ran out in the mid-90's.

      Hopefully they'll market this new stuff in the US.

    3. Re:Does it taste better than a D-Bar? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I still wonder if the company that made them was actually told "make them taste bad so Soldiers don't try to eat them early", or if they realized during production that the taste was horrible and some smarty pants in marketing sold it to the military as a feature.

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  17. 110F chocolate already exists, and I've made it by MaxToTheMax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And Cadbury was already licensing the technology, IIRC. I read the recipe in a magazine years ago (apparently invented by some schoolkids) and actually made it. The trick is to melt the chocolate down, mix in a little glycerine, and let it set again. It works pretty well, although my chocolate is pretty soft even when it's not melted. Could be I did it wrong.

    1. Re:110F chocolate already exists, and I've made it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually their process is quite different, they only have make a chance on the process, basically they found that making a change in how chocolate is made without changing the ingredients its melting point change to a higher temperature. Quite obvious that this is possible for people that actually had access to chocolate made with old traditional process, their melting point varies form one maker to another, and even between batches (and this is only using as ingredients cacao, cacao butter an, sugar and sin some cases vanilla).

  18. a less pleasant surprise by sribe · · Score: 2

    Is when that's not chocolate in your pocket after all ;-)

  19. Hershey did it decades ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, not exactly sure the temperature, but back in the Desert Storm days (yeah, way back then), Hershey had a bar designed to survive as a solid in the troops' ration pack. They gave out free samples at the park, consistency was a little different, but still tasted like good chocolate.

    I think it had something to do with the mix or makeup of the oils, we rediscoverred one of those about a decade later and the color change was different than usual with old chocolate (still tasty, as usual with old chocolate).

  20. What do you think we have now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, what do they imagine we have now in tropical markets. I'm in Thailand, that ain't coco fat in that chocolate, it's some more stable fat with coco solids so it can be called chocolate. It's come a long way since the 1930 version, it doesn't taste like candles.

    Same with cake decoration cream, it's not cream, it's not milk fat, that would be too soft at room temperature, it's called white butter and it ain't butter, it's a solid vegetable fat with a higher melting temperature, and it's how they can make cake icing and sell it without refrigeration in 35 degree heats.

    Seriously hot markets are flooded with chocolate, if you want the cheap stuff it's solid at temps above 30 and does the fat trick, if you want fancy, Belgian chocolate is sold, but refrigerated.

    There is no shortage of chocolate in tropical markets, so they imagine that a high temp melting chocolate will have a big market, but if it doesn't melt in the mouth, then what difference is it to the current high melt chocolates? Part of the mouth feel of chocolate is the melt part.

    1. Re:What do you think we have now? by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. I'm living in a tropical (African) country, and have eaten both Indian Cadbury's (they call it "Silk") chocolate, and the local stuff. The Cadbury stuff is better, but still not as good as, say, Australian Cadbury chocolate. The local stuff is cheap and nasty, but also won't melt in your pocket. All the imported stuff just gets really soft if you leave it out at room temperature. Room temperature here is normally about 25 to 30 degrees.
      Personally, I just keep chocolate in the fridge. It just works. And if I'm going somewhere I don't have a fridge, I just don't take chocolate, there are heaps of alternatives for sweet thing.

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    2. Re:What do you think we have now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's come a long way since the 1930 version, it doesn't taste like candles.

      But I like eating candles, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:What do you think we have now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... say, Australian Cadbury chocolate.

      About 2 years ago, Aussie Chocolatiers changed the recipe to make it softer! Now a fridge is necessary for chocolate lovers.

  21. Melting by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

    Isn't one of the "good" characteristics of chocolate is that it begins to melt in your mouth? If it doesn't melt at 104F, I don't see it melting in my mouth.

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  22. Choclate has long been equated with sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the toys!

    And the merchandizing challanges at your local confectionary.

  23. Except that is the USP of Chocolate. by Going_Digital · · Score: 1

    This is kind of missing the point that Chocolate is supposed to melt at body temperature, it is this feature of Chocolate that makes it unique.

  24. Worse surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one worse surprise than finding melted chocolate bar (you can always stik it in the fridge and let it harden back up). What's worse in biting into a Reese's and finding out it's old, stale, and crumbly :(

  25. Woo hoo!! by JestersGrind · · Score: 1

    My dream of living in a house made of chocolate may one day become a reality!!

  26. Shatters when cold by docilespelunker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Taking chocolate to the other extreme, dunking it in liquid nitrogen makes it shatter. I learnt a lesson that should not be repeated... Don't eat cryo cooled chocolate. When it shatters in your mouth it's like having a mouth full of cold knives. However after a while and some whimpering it did melt - so hurrah for melty chocolate!

    1. Re:Shatters when cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. Putting something the temperature of liquid nitrogen in your mouth is pretty dumb. A girl lost her stomach that way not two months ago:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9594000/Warning-over-liquid-nitrogen-drinks-after-girl-loses-stomach.html

    2. Re:Shatters when cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You CAN have liquid nitrogen temporarily in your mouth but just don't swallow it. If you spit it out quickly, it doesn't have time to cool down your saliva to the point where frostbite inside your mouth occurs. Your mouth can tolerate it even more than your skin. I dipped my finger in LN2 and removed it quickly and nothing happened... and that was a DRY finger. This is because the heat capacity of LN2 is so low compared to water and it takes so long for it to cool your skin down to freezing. Drop an insect in liquid nitrogen and see that the insect boils the liquid nitrogen for a short while as his body drops to -320F.

      Now, if you SWALLOW liquid nitrogen, you're gonna explode! :( It'll boil so fast inside you that you won't be able to burp that kind of volume... ewww!!

      Safer to just cool your molten chocolate down with a little LN2 and then eat it.

    3. Re:Shatters when cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the one that just posted that you *can* put liquid nitrogen in your mouth quickly and then spit it out.

      I just read that article about the girl in the UK. Uhhh that's a totally different story! A bar was actually serving cocktails with liquid nitrogen in it??? That's unbelievable! You either have to wait until it all evaporates, as the article said or, the best way is to put a chunk of dry ice in your drink. It's way safer. Nothing will enter your mouth that is below freezing and the chunk stays on the bottom cause it's so heavy. You still get that really nice cauldron effect, with mist pouring out of it. The only problem is the dry ice will carbonate your beverage! You can taste the difference.

    4. Re:Shatters when cold by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Back at uni we did the liquid nitrogen shattered banana thing which tastes pretty good due to the very small ice crystals. The guy that burnt his tongue instead of waiting long enough now works in an explosives factory.

    5. Re:Shatters when cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our variant involved leaving a Mars Bar in the sun so it became soft, and quickly dunking it it liquid nitrogen making it hard and cold on the outside, warm and gooey inside.... Recommended!

  27. Mexico already has this by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 2

    I thought that was the idea behind Nestle's Don Carlos V. Ten years ago I bought some in Mexico and left the bars in the car but they remained solid. Also, this chocolate is not gritty and is available in the U.S. (At least in some markets)

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  28. Great by rossdee · · Score: 1

    There would be a lot of uses for a material that won't melt at high temperatures for example a heat shield for spacecraft reentry, or containment vessel for nuclear reactors

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are many fewer needs for such a material to also be a food. That is why existing materials (Ni-based alloys and such) are already employed to meet these needs. Yes, there is ongoing research into improving the materials available, but (to my knowledge) no one has added the requirement of "must be delicious".

  29. no thanks!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll just keep eating my regular chocolate and carrying liquid nitrogen with me! Much simpler!
    Like..DUHH scientists!

  30. This sounds as scary as... by realsilly · · Score: 3, Funny

    McDonald's french fries that do not spoil.

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  31. Great for clogging arteries by Squidlips · · Score: 2

    Mmm yum. Better food through science...

  32. The Hostess Void by guttentag · · Score: 2

    It's interesting that we're suddenly seeing all these stories about engineered foods that don't behave like real food so soon after the collapse of Hostess. It's almost as though there is a perception that the world will be more accepting of new food-substitutes that last forever to fill "the Hostess void" and take the place of the Twinkie in our bomb shelters. Perhaps we will find that the new 60-day bread maintains a constant temperature of 105 degrees F, hot enough to ward off mold and melt the new chocolate, so you can have Nutella in your bunker. Because the comforts of chocolate offset the creepiness of bread that toasts itself.

  33. This is a conspiracy... by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

    To bring obesity to tropical countries!

  34. Isn't that called *actual chocolate*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The concept of Cadbury making good chocolate is amusing. They can't hold a candle to Swiss or Belgian chocolate.

    Of course it melts and gets all soft, when you replace real cocoa butter with cheap dairy butter or even worse: vegetable oil.

    Real chocolate breaks very cleanly, and never ever bends or rips.

  35. this is clearly false by Chirs · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you look at a Hershey chocolate bar, it does in fact have "chocolate" listed in the ingredient list, which is by definition made from cacao.

    1. Re:this is clearly false by Eevee · · Score: 1

      There are two possible interpretations here: the previous post was wrong, or the US has a definition of "chocolate" that specifies a much lower level of cocoa solids than the rest of the civilized world and thus should not be considered chocolate by anyone with working taste buds.

    2. Re:this is clearly false by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      There are two possible interpretations here: the previous post was wrong, or the US has a definition of "chocolate" that specifies a much lower level of cocoa solids than the rest of the civilized world and thus should not be considered chocolate by anyone with working taste buds.

      Actually, you're wrong on both counts. I believe the word "chocolate" in the U.S. implies a minimum of 10% cacao solids, while in the EU, you can label anything with at least 1% to be "chocolate."

      The difference isn't the definition, where the US is actually more strict. The difference is the EU requires the percentage to appear on the label, so those "civilized" nations just have more information to make choices among snooty chocolate. (For the record, I personally love gourmet chocolate, but milk chocolate has uses, and I'm not going to judge someone if they like that style better.)

    3. Re:this is clearly false by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Alright, I admit it when I'm wrong -- the EU standards do seem to require something more like 20%, as I've discovered in searching. So much for my "foodie" friend who told me the 1% bit. Nevertheless, I think the required percentage labeling is still the more important think for chocolate quality in the EU.

    4. Re:this is clearly false by retchdog · · Score: 1

      more strict, maybe, but no thanks to hershey's and several other industry groups who (unsuccessfully) lobbied like hell to get the fda to relax its definition to allow hydrogenated vegetable oils, circa 2007-09.

      after failing to get away with it, hershey's changed many of their bars to mockolate anyway. for example, mr. goodbar is now "made with chocolate and peanuts" instead of "peanuts in milk chocolate".

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  36. Chocolate....rain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, how should we make "Chocolate Rain", if the main ingredient won't melt?

  37. I shall sculpt the prior-est art by hyades1 · · Score: 2

    Slow-melting chocolate vibrators. My idea. MINE!

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  38. It may actually be more delicious if in the Arctic by art6217 · · Score: 1

    They say, that their chocolate is going to be good even if it does not melt, as opposed to a "normal chocolate". As chocolate in general does not melt easily on very cold days and thus has taste problems, then perhaps their chocolate will actually taste better in the winter.

  39. Cadbury makes chocolate? by kenorland · · Score: 1

    Who knew! I thought Cadbury just made disgusting sugar laden junk food.

  40. M%M's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't melt in your mouth, or your hands either.

  41. Is this like the tropical chocolate bar by whitroth · · Score: 1

    That the US Army started issuing during WWII?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate#The_Tropical_Bar

                mark "eventually, it gets crumbly"

  42. Change the packaging, not the product by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Melted chocolate coming out of flat, squeezable plastic thing would be better than chocolate with strange chemical properties. For troops in the field, have an outer plastic wrapper so that they can put the inner plastic part in their mouth and squeeze out all the product without having to get dust and grime in their mouth. Oh, better yet don't make the inner wrapper plastic. Make it an edible product that's flexible but tasteless. How about gel caps full of chocolate? There would probably be too much gel though, and it might be confused as a medication. Of course there are M&Ms, but the hard shells crack and they still make a mess at high temperatore. I can't believe M&M Mars doesn't make a "battle hardened" version.

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  43. But But... by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

    How will scientists detect microwaves now?

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  44. Oh No!! by smarkham01 · · Score: 1

    Hersey's gave us that stuff in Vietnam. True, it wouldn't melt, OTOH, it couldn't be consumed, either. The stuff was so bad that the rats would chew through a carton of cigarettes, crawl over the chocolate leaving foot prints and droppings, then continue with whatever else was available.

  45. Better Eating through Chemistry by outofluck70 · · Score: 2

    Pooping is overrated anyway.

  46. The ad writes itself by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    "The chocolate that melts in the heart of the sun, not in your intestinal tract!"

  47. No mention of predicessors by evilviper · · Score: 2

    Through the entire article, and up-voted slashdot comments, not a single mention of the WWII era TROPICAL BAR?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate#The_Tropical_Bar

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  48. 1943 by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Hey slashdot, 1943 called. They want their story back!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_chocolate#The_Tropical_Bar

    1. Re:1943 by RevSpaminator · · Score: 1

      That's historically why cheap chocolate is so bad. It doesn't melt nice and smooth like quality chocolates do. Yeah, you have to keep the better stuff cool, but it is every bit worth the extra effort.

  49. Chocolate Palace by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

    Can I have a Chocolate palace now Mr Wonka?

  50. Wait a minute... by Cute+and+Cuddly · · Score: 0

    There are some things that we should not be playing with. This goes along the lines of “I can’t believe it is not butter” and all kind of “Frankenstein foods” like the ones that come in boxes ready to microwave and eat. If you are stupid enough to leave chocolate in your pocket, too bad, you deserve it. Specially if you buy some lower quality product like the brand mentioned in the article. Leave me with the good quality chocolate, fresh produce, grass feed beef, cheese butter cream and yogurt made out of raw unprocessed milk and grain feed birds that have grown away from a factory farm. In short, I like good food and I will not eat chemical experiments.

  51. Slayed, not killed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copied, not stolen.

    Copying a technology is not stealing if a) you've purchased the rights to that technology; b) you've paid a license fee to use that technology; c) the patent (or design etc.) protection on that technology has expired; or d) the technology is not of such a nature as to attract any legal protection. I guess what you were trying to say is that by the time M&Ms came around, any protection that Smarties may have had, had already expired.

  52. since 1986 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 1986, I did a few odd jobs for a food chemist by the name of Dr Edward Mohr, then owner of LEFO in Ahrensburg, northern Germany. He showed me heat resistant chocolate he had invented. I tried a sample, it tasted like regular chocolate and had a smooth texture. He told me it was sold in tropical countries. He explained that it wouldn't melt because it was based on a sugar lattice, as opposed to a fatty structure holding the chocolate together. He worked for Coca Cola (in Luebeck) and various other large food companies, so I'm not sure what his claim to the product is: i'll ask him. But it's definitely not a new invention. best regards, Stefan Zalewski

  53. name for the new chocolate by The_Rook · · Score: 1

    call it soylent brown.

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  54. I don't see it melting in your coronaries either. by anavictoriasaavedra · · Score: 1

    I wonder what a cardiologist's opinion on this would be?

  55. Cheese comparison by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Cheese fits your description above. I don't eat enough of it for it to be a problem but I believe the answer is to blast it out by drinking prune juice. From experience, drinking four litres of unsweetened pineapple juice would blast anything out (it was an incredibly hot day and the stuff came in four litre tins so it was an entirely unintentional and disturbing discovery), but is not to be recommended since it leaves you feeling like you've had a sexual encounter with a Santa Gertrudis Bull lubricated with battery acid.

    1. Re:Cheese comparison by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      but is not to be recommended since it leaves you feeling like you've had a sexual encounter with a Santa Gertrudis Bull lubricated with battery acid.

      So what's not to recommend? I mean of course only a *genuine* Santa Gertrudis, and also most definitely not that crappy store-bought battery acid. That goes without saying.

  56. Rotten milk "chocolate" by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    And here I was just thinking that they taste like that due to six months at sea in an oil soaked shipping container before they get to my country :)

    I did some research ... well I googled "what's the funny taste in hersheys" ... apparently they infect the milk and let it sour to give the product that unique flavour. Now I can't stand off milk (except when it's so off that it becomes yoghurt), so that probably explains why I couldn't stomach Hershey's. It also explains why it tastes so bacterial.

    Apparently I'm in a minority in recognising the overtones of throat infection in this delicacy. Most naive subjects (ie. those not raised since childhood to appreciate it's unusual appeal) seem to agree that Hershey's tastes like .... Though this is probably simply their initial revulsion and if they took the time to savour it the similarity to bacterial infection may become more obvious.

    [BTW I'm using lmgtfy not because I think you don't know how to use Google, but for a little dramatic suspense!]

    The reason I tried it in the first place is because I was told you could identify Proteus by smell prior to formal assay. It is said that they smell "like a cross between rotten fish and Hershey's bars" (the source for my incorrect "rotten fish" remark). Now I know why.

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  57. Good for 3d-printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A high-temperature chocolate might make for a better 3d-printing medium. The Exeter University team (now spinning off their chocolate-3dp as Choc Edge: https://chocedge.com/3dprinting.php ) might be interested in a bucket or two of that stuff.

  58. No-melt chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, chocolate imports to Mercury have quadrupled.