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Iran Claims To Have Downed Another US Drone
AmiMoJo writes "The Iranian military says it has captured an unmanned U.S. drone aircraft in its airspace over Gulf waters. The Revolutionary Guards said they had brought down a ScanEagle — one of the smaller, less sophisticated drones employed by the Americans. The U.S. said it was looking into the reports." (The U.S. response so far, also reported by Reuters and others, seems to be "We're not missing any drones.")
The Revolutionary Guards said they had brought down a ScanEagle
But the movie "Argo" taught me that Iranian Revolutionary Guards are just bumbling idiots who can't tell their heads from their asses in several completely fabricated scenes! Larry, Moe and Curly have more wherewithal than the Revolutionary Guard! No way they could outsmart American engineering!
CIA: [sounding official] Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.
Pentagon: What happened?
CIA: [getting nervous] Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Pentagon: We're sending a squad up.
CIA: Uh, uh... negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous.
Pentagon: Who is this? What's your operating number?
CIA: Uh...
With rocket-powered unicorns from North Korea?
Even if it's true, the drone they're talking about is a commercial product -- we sell it to any ally who wants one.
I guess Iran got another license for Photoshop?
From the summary: "The U.S. response so far, also reported by Reuters and others, seems to be 'We're not missing any drones.'"
How could any one entity tell? At this point there's the CIA, the FBI, the ATF, the NSA, the SS, the regular Army, the Army Rangers, the Navy, the Marines, the Seals, the Air Force, the Coast Guard, the State Department, the DoD, Mercenaries (ie "Civilian Contractors"), and Sheriff Joe Arpaio all with drones. Could any one entity speak for all of those at this point?
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
The Iranian press agency is starting to remind me more and more of Saddam's Minister of Information. "The rivers are running with the blood of infidels! We have shot down another drone!"
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
People lie; their religion is irrelevant.
I'd honestly be more concerned if they actually admitted to missing one.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Those aren't the drones we are looking for. Move along.
Muslims lie
I modded you flamebait for this. I don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but you can't make blanket statements like that. It's not part of the religion itself to carry on like this, and, much as I dislike so much of the Islamic philosophy, I have known many Muslims who are kind, honest, thoughtful and don't think ill of those outside the religion. It's not helpful to anger or to try to incite hatred in others.
This video looks a lot more legit than the last one.
But, the displayed machine is remarkably intact.
I'm wondering if this video isn't of a Scan Eagle at an air or weapons show.
Isn't it drone season over there?
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Maybe Israel . . . ? Or maybe the UK . . . ?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Just like they lied when they captured a drone, apparently intact, a while ago.
Why does anyone care?
Sorry, I shouldn't be like that. So...let me get the facts straight here. A country that is well known for saber rattling without anything to back it up may or may not have shot down an incredibly slow flying, cheap, pilotless, unstealthed drone that is specifically purpose-built to get shot down so we don't have to risk more expensive planes and pilots. That's it, right?
Just out of curiosity, how are the Kardashians doing today? I mean as long as we're acting like unimpressive bullshit is news, might as well go all the way.
Let me know when they shoot down an F-22 Raptor or a B-2 Spirit. Until then, non-news. I mean hell, this is exactly why we use drones in the first place - so we don't have to risk either pilots or much more expensive planes to do this stuff. Let them shoot down 1,000 more for all I care. Just more american workers in american aircraft factories with more work to do. Nobody dies, and it benefits our domestic economy. By all means Iran, PLEASE, shoot down some more easy targets so we can mass-produce some more replacements for them.
Sometimes they fail on their own. Aren't they built to fail ?
Some can barely be launched.
Even the ones that should know how to operate then fail too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIVcwVWps4
Muslims lie
I modded you flamebait for this. I don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but you can't make blanket statements like that. It's not part of the religion itself to carry on like this, and, much as I dislike so much of the Islamic philosophy, I have known many Muslims who are kind, honest, thoughtful and don't think ill of those outside the religion. It's not helpful to anger or to try to incite hatred in others.
And in replying to this post (while logged in) even anonymously, you have undone your moderation. The xenophobe's post is now at 0 instead of its deserved -1. Time to wait for another moderator to come along and readjust.
i believe it is long past the time that we should have just carpet bombed them back to the stone age.
...they didn't capture one of our manned drones.
...and Sheriff Joe Arpaio all with drones
If Sheriff Joe got one of his drones all the way to Iran, then I have newfound respect for the man!
I wish Iran would stop insulting our intelligences. You can spoof plaintext GPS in consumer hardware, but you can't spoof military M-code GPS. It is protected by RSA public key encryption, so unless the Iranians obtained the RSA private keys of US military GPS satellites they cannot fool any drone.
Or maybe Iran cracked RSA's impossibly hard prime factorization problem? Maybe they have quantum computers that did it right ?
They shot down their own drone clone.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Oh wait, Iran keep photoshopping those. Ok, let's just leave it at "it didn't happen" to save everyone wasting their time.
The "captured" ScanEagle drone was clearly not shot down... and its pristine structure indicates that it didn't crash either.
Doesn't it concern everybody that Iran appears to be able to capture these drones out of the sky and land them fairly intact... with minimal to no exterior damage.
Does this give credence to Iran's claim that they are able to take over the controls of a drone and land it relatively safely without too much structural damage?
Is it possible that they could override the controls of a cruise missile as it enters their airspace... and send it back from whence it came... gasp!
I understand the logic of having a more powerful ground transmitter that overwhelms the week satellite transmitted signals used to control drones and missiles... but that is still a far cry from actually overriding the controls of a sophisticated drone and tricking the drone into believing that it is still receiving legitimate instructions.
Don't all drones have an automatic "return to base" command as soon as they lose contact with their controllers... at the very least they should have a self destruct.
http://www.airhogs.com/ has a test facility in Iraq. 7 year old boys are considerably more abusive on flying drones then Iran is.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Just to politely point out that the United States is not the only ScanEagle operator in the region. Several coalition nations including Canada, Poland, Australia and the Netherlands operate ScanEagle platforms and could very well be using them in theater to support operations in Afghanistan. Also, this particular type of drone is not as big of a deal; considering it was originally designed to help fishermen find schools of fish, this isn't exactly the pinnacle of drone technology.
On the one hand, the CIA is not likely to admit they've lost a drone.
On the other hand, Iran has a well documented history of lying about its accomplishments.
Hard to determine the truth here...
probably should also check that skynet^W google isn't missing any drones.
This wouldn't of happened if they had bought from a Gallente design instead of these knock offs.
A UAE sheikh complained that some delinquent Iranian children had shot one of his prize eagles and is claiming 10 billion Dirhams blood money...
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
ScanEagles have been captured nearly intact before, after crashing in Iraq, by irregular forces. There is no real intelligence value in the UAV itself as most parts are commercially available. This does appear to be a real ScanEagle that likely crashed into the water (note that the prop isn't damaged). It is not a US Navy or USMC UAV as it is lacking the proper markings ( US roundel and "Navy").
Or perhaps it's a nefarious CIA plot to sneak a Stuxnet-like virus into Iran's C&C infrastructure:
Tech 1: We have successfully downloaded the ROM from the drone into our systems. Allahu-Akbar!
Tech 2: Huh. Why have our radar and air defense systems suddenty gone off-line?
No indeed, it just claims the US president wasn't born in the US, that aliens crashed and are kept at Area 51 and that 9/11 was an inside job.
I actually watched a Discovery "documentary" which claimed that helicopters can not have ejection seats. A surprise to the Russian helicopter pilots.
The US TV/News/Media has done such a thorough job of lying they don't need insane claims, they don't work anyway. Remember, the master of propaganda, Himmler, favored a movie that had a Jew as the hero to spread the nazi parties message. Subtle does the trick, outrageous claims fool no-one they just receive applause from people who know to clap for the emperor no matter how naked he is.
The subtle stuff, that gets people to BELIEVE the emperor is finely dressed. And indeed, I seen the claim that helicopters can't have ejection seats repeated often.
Just ask a US citizen whether they believe any other country can actually be first with a tech and that the US isn't always best regardless. When you prove them wrong with facts from the CIA own data, I even had Americans claim the CIA was a UN agency setup to reduce American power...
Subtle works best, just see how often a tech site like this publishes Fox and Daily Mail "stories" and worst, that obvious hoax of a plastic necklace found on mars.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Even if they have got one it's an off the shelf product that Iran could easily get their hands on.
If the US are not flying drones illegally over Iran I'd be amazed. Anyone who believes they are not is just plain naive.
Of course they do not admit it. But if they did their response to Iran would undoubtedly be:
"Bully for you.
We've got lots more of them drones and they kill people good.
Keep taunting us if you want.
We're just looking for an excuse right now."
Check out the video here
In the very first second you can see "We shall trample the U.S." above the drone.
Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
We know exactly where they all are, including the one Iran just captured.
Especially about the Holocaust never happening, etc. Anyone who gives two cents to an Iran claim, deserves to believe it.
> The U.S. said it was looking into the reports.
> "We're not missing any drones."
Why didn't they say "it's untrue, because we have no drones over Iran"?
So US admits it flies drones over other countries, they are not at war with.
I guess UN should take care of it and probably the best solution would be to ban US of A from the surface of the Earth.
If only Iran could down Arpaio...
Awww mannn, there goes my Hobby Hut plane.
The USA might want to look into gettign a PR rep. It's a bad thing when my first reaction to this story was to believe the Iranians.
There is definitely a problem if people in north america immediately are dimissing your answers as lies.
I should also add this tidbit from the BBC: given the nature of the work being done by drones (recon, spying), most of them are unmarked. With so many different users of the ScanEagle in the region (UAE was listed for example, another nation with just as much reason to spy on Iran), it may be impossible to determine short of a serial number, and I doubt the Iranians are going to let the US take a look any time soon.
The video attached to the article also shows Iranian images of the drone.
Iranian TV shows off 'captured US ScanEagle drone'
It's about time the rest of the world developed a cheap and easy way to knock these things out of the air - especially as most of them seem to be deployed illegally, any way.
It will happen sooner or later and the sooner the better.
Seriously, pack every available space inside the fuselage with C4, and when someone "captures" one of your drones, wait a couple of hours for them to put it somewhere sensitive... and blow it up. "What? Not our fault you guys mis-handled our equipment.":
Poor means hoping the toothache goes away.
Big Bird got shot down again !
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Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
we'll go broke right about the time the sun goes dark.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
Analysts will post on slashdot. Some of them. Sometimes. Operations people are less likely to.
Professional liars work in law, public relations, lobbying, or politics. And not everyone in those professions qualifies. Relatively few intelligence analysts are professional liars. Some have unusual worldviews, but it's not the same thing.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
Fine. And when the photos show up? Then what?
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
The United States has been downgraded. Reporters Without Borders has released its annual World Press Freedom Index and the United States fell 27 points to No. 47 on the list.
The US tie with Argentina, Romania and Latvia at âoesatisfactoryâ levels of freedom.
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The United States has been downgraded. Reporters Without Borders has released its annual World Press Freedom Index and the United States fell 27 points to No. 47 on the list.
The US tie with Argentina, Romania and Latvia at âoesatisfactoryâ levels of freedom.
WORLD PRESS FREEDOM INDEX 2011-2012
The crackdown on protest movements and the accompanying excesses took their toll on journalists. In the space of two months in the United States, more than 25 were subjected to arrests and beatings at the hands of police who were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate behaviour, public nuisance or even lack of accreditation
So some journalists and probably many "journalists" were mixed in with the "Occupy" crowd and didn't comply with orders to vacate? Not going to sweat that too much without evidence of actual wrong doing.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell