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Parrot Drives Robotic Buggy

grrlscientist writes "Proving that robots aren't just for people any longer, an African grey parrot, Pepper, has learned to drive a robot that was specially designed for him. Pepper, whose wings are clipped to preventing him from flying around his humans' house and destroying their things, now manipulates the joystick on his riding robot to guide it to where ever he wishes to go. This robotic 'bird buggy' was the brainchild of his human companion, Andrew Gray, a 29-year-old electrical and computer engineering graduate student at the University of Florida."

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  1. Re:Awesome by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like having a 2 to 5 year old that lives longer than you do.

    That said, they are damn smart birds.

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  2. ironic... by Tastecicles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that the same human who had the birds wings clipped so it can't move has had to build him a fucking go kart so he's able to move around again.

    Fuck you, Andrew Gray, and the horse you rode in on. IF you haven't clipped its hooves at the knee, that is!

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    1. Re:ironic... by Duds · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can report his site as it's google hosted on the grounds of cruelty to animals.

    2. Re:ironic... by newcastlejon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the sake of argument, is it really that cruel? It doesn't seem as bad to me as docking a puppy's tail; primary feathers grow back, don't they?

      Mind you, a friend of mine had a beautiful white parrot when I was younger and he never had much trouble with it breaking his stuff. Perhaps instead of altering a pet to one's home it's better to alter the home to suit the pet.

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    3. Re:ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Grey's are large birds, too large to really fly in an average house. It may not be able to fly between rooms due to narrow hallways and clutter anyway.

      I have a couple of smaller birds, fully flighted and they're not really happy about needing to fly to chase you. Often they'll scream at you instead.

      Also you guys might temper your anger realizing that wing clipping is temporary. You clip their wings once a month or so, because all you're doing is cutting the outermost 4 flight feathers back. These fall out and grow back (trimmed or not). For most birds this is enough to make flying very difficult.

    4. Re:ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just FYI, guys, it's not cruelty. You don't actually cut their wings, just their feathers, and you have to keep cutting them because they grow back all the time.

      But, I do agree that this is totally unnecessary. Parrots are very smart, can be trained, and are fucking birds - totally capable of moving around without a crappy golf cart. Don't clip him, just train him to not do whatever it is he was doing wrong. Plus they have beautiful plumage, the Norwegian Blue. Mine's been really quiet since I got him, though. I think he's pining for the fjords.

    5. Re:ironic... by masternerdguy · · Score: 2

      My birds have never had clipped wings and had no issue flying in the house. They prefer to walk, actually.

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    6. Re:ironic... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Andrew Gray, and the horse you rode in on. IF you haven't clipped its hooves at the knee, that is!

      It's not the wings that are clipped, just some feathers to keep it from hurting itself inside the house.

      We can disagree about whether or not any animal should be kept by humans, but clipping the feathers of a parrot so it doesn't hurt itself flying around the house don't really qualify as enormously cruel. Certainly not as "cruel" as forcibly neutering a dog or cat. Probably not as cruel as riding a horse.

      There is an argument about the lifespan of the parrot, though. He's going to live on average about 20% longer as a pet than he would as a free bird. We could ask the parrot whether he'd rather have some feathers clipped and live in a safe home with abundant food and no predators (plus a very cool scooter) or in the wild where his life will be much shorter, but he's not talking.

      Or maybe he is talking, since he's a parrot...

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    7. Re:ironic... by Duds · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they're too big for the average house, don't KEEP them in an average house.

      And how is it being temporary any better, that just means you're doing it more often.

    8. Re:ironic... by able1234au · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So cruel to birds" he says munching on his KFC. "Pass me another bucket of wings!"

    9. Re:ironic... by ethanms · · Score: 2

      mod up...

      Agreed, I think it's pretty lousy to have these types of animals as pets--there is a reason birds go crazy when left alone in cages, they are too intelligent and not psychologically suited for domesticated life. Just because it's small enough to not seriously injure humans does not mean it's acceptable or suited to become a pet.

      Cats & Dogs have been domesticated over hundreds/thousands of generations... even today there are breeds of dogs that are clearly not suited for living mostly indoors--so would paralyzing that breed of dog (even if in a painless and temporary manner) not be considered cruel? These birds belong in their natural habitats, not in people's suburban homes...

      Now if this bird had a wing injury this would be a totally different story, he's giving it a life it could not have... but that is not really the case here, this bird was forced to live a life in a cage when it could otherwise be out in nature.

    10. Re:ironic... by cusco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Grey parrots are 1) one of the most intelligent species of birds known, 2) one of the most destructive species of birds known. They're probably exceeded only by the New Zealand kea (which can remove every plastic part on the exterior of a car except for the tires in an hour) in destructiveness.

      I remember having to ferret-proof a house, I can only imagine what a pain in the ass it would have been if the critter had been able to fly too.

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    11. Re:ironic... by Duds · · Score: 2

      Cutting my hair does not impede my primary means of locomotion.

    12. Re:ironic... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just FYI, guys, it's not cruelty. You don't actually cut their wings, just their feathers

      Huh.


      That might explain why I got fired from Petco...

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    13. Re:ironic... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually greys have no problem at all flying in the average house. I have had greys in 400-600 sqft apartments and they can fly just fine through all the different rooms. Also a grey can walk nearly as fast as that cart can move. In addition to wings they do have perfectly good legs and can cross an average sized bedroom in seconds on foot. After having kept clipped birds and birds with full flight feathers I would never keep them clipped ever again. I love when a bird can fly to my shoulder whenever he wants and it's such a wonderful ability that they were born with. Even if they can only fly indoors I still think it's better than nothing.

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    14. Re:ironic... by jovius · · Score: 2

      To be honest that sounds like having cats inside the house their whole life. They will become depressed and bored because of the inability to be the animal they are. I believe that our view of the cats in general is based on a slightly false impression. Some may even regress into ritualistic behavior akin to caged animals. It's perplexing to see how the cats can brighten up and become completely different beings when they have a possibility to come and go as they feel like and be what they truly are.

      To witness the manifestation of the animal instincts is so rewarding, that after having 'owned' three cats (simultaneously) and seeing what they can be I'll never get a pet again. The electrified being that comes out from the so called domestic cat; the instantaneous sensing that's too fast for the human mind to follow is just too beautiful to be suppressed.

    15. Re:ironic... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2

      Every time somebody whines like you just did I will eat the closest analog to the species they are whining about, that I can lay hands on.

      Tonight it's going to be quail - 4 of 'em - and you only have yourself to blame.

    16. Re:ironic... by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...that the same human who had the birds wings clipped so it can't move has had to build him a fucking go kart so he's able to move around again.

      Fuck you, Andrew Gray, and the horse you rode in on. IF you haven't clipped its hooves at the knee, that is!

      The bird is well looked after and you can tell that just by looking at it's feathers. The very fact that the bird knows how to *drive* the buggy means that it is getting enough attention to be healthy and the fact that his wings are clipped means that the bird has appropriate flight power for being indoors - from which we can deduce that the bird is completely domesticated and thinks of it's cage as it's own 'room' - so it also has it's own territory.

      From the video the bird only flapped it's wings to maintain it's balance, that means the bird *chooses* to play with the cart. Parrots are fast, manuverable birds, and just because it's wings are clipped doesn't mean it can't fly - it just means that it won't get out of control, frustrated, scared and hurt itself inside a house. If it was a wild bird then you might have a point. The guy owns a parrot, that's a 25-60 year commitment to a pet, so before you go judging the guy ask yourself if you could do the same thing.

      Honestly settle down with the political correctness, it's far more offensive than a parrot with it's wings clipped.

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    17. Re:ironic... by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Cats & Dogs have been domesticated over hundreds/thousands of generations

      Cats are an interesting case in that, it appears that little domestication was needed. On the whole domesticated cats and their wild counterparts are quite similar.

      Turns out, our species had some very convinent properties for co-habitation.

      Their meat is not generally considered good, even amongst cultures where there is less taboo about eating a variety of animals. They, are under no delusion that we are prey.

      They don't eat much of what we do, only eating fairly freshly killed meat and occasional roughage. In fact, they mainly kill and eat the rodents that try to eat our food stores, and keep them away.

      On top of that, they are agreeably soft, purr, and stay mostly out of the way as they sleep 18 hours a day. Few places are safer to sleep than around us, and I bet that has been true since before we lived indoors. For cats, this was a perfect match.

      The average lifespan of a wild cat is only a couple of years. Companion cats can live upwards of 20. They hardly got the shit end of the stick.

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    18. Re:ironic... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      All birds are not the same. Some of them are probably not very bright. I've owned birds for years and I can't recall one being startled as you describe. Even when he meets a new person who comes to visit. Perhaps if you could be more specific about the particular species of bird and a more exact circumstance which could cause such a panic.

      Most of the time glass is not truly transparent. Not indistinguishable from air. If you clean your glass every day very thoroughly with a high quality glass cleaner it might be more of an issue. In my experience most people are not that obsessive about keeping their windows and glass doors clean and when they are they don't usually keep birds as their cages and the area around them can get messy very quickly and I think they would find it disturbing.

      Let me repeat, are you actually saying that you have seen African Grey parrots fly into glass windows or doors? If a finch did it I wouldn't be surprised. They don't seem particularly bright. I would be very surprised to see any medium to large sized parrot do so however. I'm not claiming it never happens of course. Even humans walk through glass doors from time to time and dogs and cats must also do it occassionally.

      One simple solution if you keep birds and are afraid of this happening is blinds. They make it quite clear to all but the absolutely most stupid animal that there is a physical object in their way and that they will injure themselves if they run or fly into it. It's not a valid excuse to trim flight feathers IMO or to keep a dog/cat in its carrier all the time and never let it run around or to keep small children confined to their rooms with their windows boarded up.

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    19. Re:ironic... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      He was gonzo insane

      Yes, you already said he was a cockatoo.

      Ah, I see you know Cockatoos.

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  3. Re:Fuck the owner by godel_56 · · Score: 2

    Like, if someone broke his legs and build him a joystick wheelchair and posted the video, oh I am sure he would be oh so thankful.

    I can see both sides. Without his wings being clipped he would never be allowed outside, and escape would be a constant worry. Caged birds are dead meat on the outside.

  4. Arms Race by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Informative

    You know what this means right?

    Cats with roller skates.

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  5. no such luck by the_other_one · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried t get my Norwegian Blue to drive a buggy but it just sits there and does nothing.

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    1. Re:no such luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's merely pinin' for a Ford!

  6. The difference is semantics here, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't get your panties in a knot unless you know more.

    Well, I'm not GP but I am a parrot owner so I'd like to "get my panties knot".

    Removing a parrot's main form of movement is comparable to keeping a dog on a leash in one corner of the house, all the time. What's cruel is removing their ability to fly and after that it's just semantics whether you clipped their wings or feathers. Removing a parrot's ability to fly and forcing them to move only where human decides they should move, when human decides they should move there, is a horrible thing to do to animals as intelligent and independent as parrots. It also tells about very twisted attitude towards the pet: Anyone who considers taking a parrot and does some research (and you really should research as they tend to live many years or even many decades) learns that they do tend to chew on stuff. If your reaction to that isn't "I'll have to come up with enough toys for him to chew that he doesn't touch much else" or "I'll have to study positive reinforcement a bit and train him" or "I'll have to come up with a way to keep some things out of his sight" or "Okay, I can't have a pet like that" but rather "Oh, I'll just clip his wings", there is something very wrong.

    My parrots fly freely around the house whenever I'm awake and at home (when I'm asleep or at work, I have to keep them in cages for their own safety). They don't tend to ruin anything too valuable though they do occasionally ruin book covers, photo frames and the like... which I knew they would do when I got them six years ago.

    For the record, the practice of clipping parrot wings (which means clipping the wing feathers) isn't really alive in many countries anymore (here in Finland it certainly isn't recommended by either of the large pet bird associations).

  7. Re:Cruelty to animals by lightBearer · · Score: 5, Informative

    With larger birds such as African Grey's, there is a really high risk of injury to the bird if they are allowed to grow up flying inside a house. Young birds do not understand glass for instance, and will attempt to fly into it, ultimately doing harm to themselves. To offset this, the non-permanent wing clipping is employed to prevent them from taking flight. This doesn't prevent gliding, however, so they can still leap safely off ledges to the floor to get around. Once they're older, you have to take into account that the nearly or fully grown bird has never flown, so you keep clipping the wings as they don't know how to use them.

    I've never owned a Parrot but I grew up with one and my parents opted to not clip his wings. The net result was a lot of snapped feathers and a bird with neurological damage from running into things full tilt. Not pretty.

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  8. How about dogs driving full size cars? by madprof · · Score: 2

    Forget parrots in buggies. What about dogs in real cars?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20614593

    99% sure this is not a hoax.

  9. Re:Fuck the owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, lotta PETA supporters or something on /. today. Are you against neutering cats and dogs too?

    1. It's not a "free bird". A free bird would be one that's outside in the trees. This is a domesticated bird in a house. But I assume you just threw the "free" part in as an emotional word of some sort to get people onto your side anyway.
    2. Clipping the wings is exactly NOTHING like breaking the legs. Since it's only temporarily trimming the end feathers, it's more akin to clipping a cat's nails. It stops the cat from gripping the ground when running, so therefore it must be cruel. If a bird that large were allowed to fly about freely inside, it'd likely do more damage to itself than to objects.
    3. Before you even think about talking about declawing, just stop with that horribly incorrect analogy already. Clipped feathers grow back, removing the top knuckle of the cat's paws doesn't. And no, my cat isn't declawed, that's cruel.
    4. You're an idiot, and god help you if you ever own a pet.

    I just took a cone off my cat from him having had surgery. Are advocating that I should have left the cone off and let him chew away at his stitches instead, because the cone isn't natural, and hinders him?

    Not all things people do to pets are for the sake of cruelty. In fact, I would argue that the vast, VAST majority of things we do for pets is because we love them, and it's better for them.

  10. Re:Cruelty to animals by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heaven forbid you have a giant mirror in your house. We had parakeets that would go ape shit over the other birds and try to fly to them. We ended up clipping their feathers just so they wouldn't hurt themselves on the mirror.

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  11. Re:Cruelty to animals by mybadluck22 · · Score: 2

    People limit pets' movement all the time. Dogs go on leashes or are stuck inside the house. Same with cats, often. We have 2 rabbits. They have to stay inside their pen when not accompanied by humans. Our tortoise has to stay inside its terrarium. Our fish may not swim in the ocean. I'm sure the rabbits would love to run around outside or even all over the house chewing on whatever they can, but it's not safe for them (predators, cars, electrocution), and it's not safe for our stuff. So maybe you're saying nobody should keep pets, but that's a different argument.

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  12. Re:Awesome by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    When the parrot cuts you off in traffic, does he give you... the bird?

  13. Re:Ummm... yes. A very resounding yes. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Yeah. Yeah it is. Are you fucking retarded?!? Like no, seriously... are you mentally handicapped.

    Anger aside, this is actually a very valid, important thing to mention.

    Case in point - a few months ago, a 17-year-old autistic boy was struck and killed by a car. it was 2 AM, and he was sitting in the middle of the street just past a low hill, which made him impossible for the driver to see until it was too late.

    When asked why their autistic son was sitting in the middle of a public street at 2 o' clock in the morning, the parents responded, "we always let him do what he wants."

    Incidentally, the parents are attempting to sue the driver for - brace yourselves - negligence.

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  14. Re:Cruelty to animals by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    To be fair, the vast majority of pet parrots, not just in the US, but in the world are raised by humans not by their parents. And usually their parents weren't raised in the wild either. So that ship has already sailed. If the parents decide to breed (and it's not like you can force them) those babies cannot be shipped back to Africa or South America and set free in the wild. Only a small percentage of them would survive at all without instruction from wild parents. I think that would be more cruel. It is already illegal to collect these birds from the wild.

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