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Israeli Bill Would Allow Secret Blacklists For Websites
jonklinger writes with the lead from his report on a move to hamper internet freedom in Israel: "Israel is to attempt, again, to pass a bill that authorizes police officers to issue warrants to Internet service providers to block or restrict access to specific websites involved either in gambling, child pornography or copyright infringement. The bill itself proposes that such administrative procedures shall be clandestine and that court decisions shall be made ex-parte, where some of the court's ruling will not be even dislosed to the owner of the website, and the court may hear and use inadmissible evidence."
Oooh secret courts! Censorship! Illegally-obtained evidence!
So much for "never again". We have become our enemy.
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Each nation should be able to legislate and govern internet access in the way it sees fit; and best suite for its citizen's good. What's good for the US may not be good enough for Israel or even the UK, China or India. Just because the internet as it has eveolved so far is inter-operable across nations, does not mean it should be governed by a single set of rules, protocols and conventions.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
between "person who blogged about Olmert's overly aggressive war against Lebannon" and "Subversive Hezbollah sympathizer," that line needs to be in clear public view. It is a symbol of a country's bravery in times of fear. Ex-parte, non-disclosed proceedings will make it impossible for people to know the "why" and the balance the court has placed on fighting crime vs. sacrificing free speech. Without that visibility, there is zero chance that the line will be held in place, uninfluenced by politics.
Of all the people that I assumed would be on guard for the State taking powers that could easily be abused to silence the minority, I thought it would be them.
It's kind of hard to "secretly" block a web site, isn't it?
"Don't tell anyone, but no one can access this web site in Israel..."
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
Which MP(s) are behind this initiative?
block or restrict access to specific websites involved either in gambling, child pornography or copyright infringement.
It used to be a joke when "copyright infringement" was put in the same category as serious offences, see this wonderful video. Are these politicians out of their mind, or are these people bought and paid for as the video suggests?
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
the jews are now acting worse then nazis all they need do is start a genocide oh wait ..palestinians anyone....
Israel is not just Jews. This story is about the political power in Israel, it has nothing to do with Judaism.
I don't recall Israel saying they wanted to kill all Palestinians. The converse however is not true.
Why is 'because holocaust' acceptable to defend deplorable acts of the Israeli government and yet 'because slavery' is not acceptable to rationalize the deplorable acts of a minority of people with a darker skin tone than their European cousins?
will not be even dislosed to the owner of the website
And a few consonants will be removed.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
If they are trying to do good in a legal way, why does the government need such secrecy?
i.e. If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
"I don't recall Israel saying they wanted to kill all Palestinians."
Of course they don't say it; they're much to smart for that. (Imagine the international repercussions.) Instead, they just methodically take slow steps towards that end, taking West Bank resources and land, effectively imprisoning Gaza, calculating just enough calories to keep Palestinians alive but stunt the physical and brain growth of their children to ensure a stupid and obedient next generation, etc.
Note that the proposed law gives the power to censor to the Israeli justice minister. Yaakov Neeman, the current justice minister, is kind of weird. News articles:
There's a sizable ultra-orthodox faction in Israel which wants a political system where rabbis run things. Neeman is from that faction. Israel already has rabbinical courts, but they're currently restricted to ruling on religious issues and divorces. Neeman has said he wants to expand the authority of rabbinical courts, which in Israel are dominated by ultra-othodox rabbis.
Ultra-orthodox groups are very anti-Internet. This goes way beyond censoring pornography. There are special censored ISPs that only allow a list of 400 approved sites, most of which are religious.
So that's where this may be going, or at least where one faction would like to go. (Israel politics is currently deadlocked worse than US politics. There are many parties, none with a majority, and shifting coalitions. Different factions control different ministries as part of the deals made to put coalitions together. Just because the Justice Minister wants something doesn't mean the Government does.)
...individuals....
What the Fu& is this nations crap all about..... I'm not a nation and neither are you.
The more open we are about the fact of being individuals the less those in command and control over "nations" have over us individuals.
Except that if you want to get into politics in Israel you have to recognize the state of Israel as a Jewish state.
In other words, people who belong to certain religious group are more equal than others.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups
I don't recall Israel saying they wanted to kill all Palestinians. The converse however is not true.
There certainly are extreme factions within the Palestinian community who want to kill all Israelis, just like there are extremists in Israel which want to kill all Palestinians. Wasn't it Rabbi Meir Kahane who called Arabs a "cancer" that had to be cut out of the flesh of Israel? How do his utterances differ from those of the most hateful of the Hamas extremists? The man advocated the abolishment of democracy in Israel in the event that Israeli Arabs became more numerous than Jews to secure the dominance of the Jews because otherwise, by the rules of democracy, the Jews would get outvoted. To me that sounds like a pretty close description of the apartheid state in S-Africa. There are ignorant fanatics on both sides, your attempts to try to convince us that the viewpoints of the most extreme of the Palestinian fanatics are the views of all Palestinians everywhere just serves to highlight how intolerant and ignorant you are yourself.
How does that work? Either you can get to the site or you can't. Perhaps the IsItDownForJustMe type sites can be extended: IsItDownForJustOtherIsraelisOrEverythingElseToo.com perhaps?
Ok. I live in a country with 300 million plus inhabitants. Why should I care about a country with 8 million? Likewise why should someone in china give two craps about US tech news...
They don't have any elected officials behind this yet.
The government isn't behind this yet either.
We're one month away from the elections.
Literally everything legislative is on hold, which is why this didn't get any media attention in Israel.
The chances it gets started before 2014 are slim.
The chances it gets the approval of Netanyahu is zero.
He routinely kills such laws proposed by back benchers to limit the damage to Israel's reputation only to things he really cares about such as settlements...
Back to watching CSI re-runs...
In 2005 such a DNS based filter was rolled out here in Denmark, First toured as a filter against Child pornography, as a none binding aggrement between the danish branch of save the children and the biggest Isp. By design its ofcause a none public liste, later in 2006 allofmp3.com was blocked using the same system, then the pirate bay was added, then sites that sells medicin that requires a prescription, and the lates addion was gamling sites that doesnt pay danish tax. In 2008 the list was leaked ( http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Denmark:_3863_sites_on_censorship_list%2C_Feb_2008 ) , was found to be blocking sites not related to what it was intented to, legitime sites. It always starts out as against Child pornography, and then they will start put more and more into it.
Unless of course you're in the 20% of the Israeli parliament that's Arab or one of the many parties that doesn't care about religion or is anti-religious.
Israel is a Jewish state like America is a Christian country. I.e. they're not really.
You're entirely right, except you missed the part where Israel made Meir Kahane's faction illegal in the country.
Contrast this with Hamas or Fatah where Kill all Jews and destroy Israel is literally in their charter.
It might very well be that the view is extreme, but as long as that is the view of their government, that's the main view you have to worry about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant - It's official Hamas Policy.
The Fatah charter said it until 2010. Now it doesn't specifically name Israel or Jews, but still outlines the struggles against the enemy that must continue, so take that for what it's worth.
This is bullshit. Israel defines itself as a Jewish state. It demands that other people recognize it as such.
The US specifically defines itself NOT as a Christian state.
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No however they have been caught sending military memos that dictate that for every Israeli citizen killed they will kill ten Palestinian civilians. All Israelis are valid targets as military service is compulsory, the same does not stand for the Palestinians. Since this has already Godwinned, you really would think that any Jew and every Israeli would know what they are doing to Gaza is immoral and very close to that which they most hate. But that's the problem with post traumatic stress on such a large scale the people are still screwed from WW2.
The summary, as well as the article, contains the sentence "Israel is to attempt, again, to pass a bill ...".
Another way to phrase it is: "The bill did *not* pass last time, and may end up not passing again.".
Sounds less sinister, doesn't it? And non-news....
In other words., unlike some other countries (most notably the U.S.) where laws for taking down Websites have passed and have been used, laws outlawing various behaviors that have nothing to do with copying as "copyright circumvention", laws allowing people to be banished from the Internet have passed etc., - none of this crap exists in Israel. So if anything, the Internet freedom situation is *better* in Israel than in most countries.
While jews in general are great peole and to stereotype them as such is is wrong.
The statement that "some Zoinists are becoming worse then Nazi's" may be fairly correct. I know nothing of the ones oversease, but there are a few congressmen and government officials in America who are very fascist in nature.
Of course theres great ones too. Thank god they more or less balance eachother out, however I would like to see more tolerance for everyone in politics. Even the worst of the worst people deserve some compassion in this world.
Technically correct, and completely symbolic and irrelevant.
Israeli policy in the West Bank has typically been to take land by force and demand that the Palestinians do nothing about it. Israeli policy in the Gaza Strip has been to blockade all shipments to the area and to forcibly prevent anyone from leaving, and then periodically "mow the grass" (this is the Israeli term for their periodic indiscriminate bombing of Gaza).
Any reasonably fair way of looking at the conflict in the Levant acknowledges three basic facts:
1. Both Israelis and Palestinians have been absolutely brutal, including attacking and terrorizing civilians.
2. Israel is currently winning by a wide margin. For instance, in the last dust-up, approximately 1200 Gazans died, and approximately 10 Israelis died. Or you can look at who controls what land. Or you can look at the casualties over the last 10 years, which give Israel approximately a 6:1 advantage.
3. Neither Israel nor Hamas nor Fatah operate within the bounds of international law.
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You're entirely right, except you missed the part where Israel made Meir Kahane's faction illegal in the country.
Contrast this with Hamas or Fatah where Kill all Jews and destroy Israel is literally in their charter.
It might very well be that the view is extreme, but as long as that is the view of their government, that's the main view you have to worry about.
In 1948 a group of Jewish militia murdered count Folke Bernadotte. This was the same Folke Bernadotte who negotiated with the Nazis for the release of thousands of prisoners form Nazi death camps while most of the rest of the world was refusing to believe these camps existed. Bernadotte then became a central figure in organising a convoy of vehicles to travel from Sweden (running a gauntlet of Allied submarines and naval mines) to collect these people. Clearly these Jewish activists had murdered a man who by rights belonged on that deservedly much admired list of the Righteous among the Nations that the Yad Vashem in Israel keeps. Now if you thought that the state of Israel threw the book at the killers of this man, you would be wrong. They did convict them of murder but then immediately pardoned them. One of the shot callers behind the murder, Nathan Yellin-Mor, was even elected to the Knesset. The moral of this story is that the state of Israel has a long history, going back to it's foundation, of appearing to severely punish extremists like the Kahane faction only to let them off the hook once Israel's leaders feel the dust has settled.
P.S. In case you are wondering, the last time I checked Bernadotte had still not been added to the list of Righteous among the Nations even though his convoy rescued hundreds of Danish Jews from Theresienstadt concentration camp and thereby from certain death. The murder of Bernadotte continues to clog up relations between Sweden and Israel today, over half a century later.
hey did you know there are muslims and arabs in the israeli congres? oh no? yes you are just an ignorant troll....
completely wrong. If Israel wanted to eradicate the palestinians they are more than capable of doing so.
Since they haven't it is obvious that that is not their goal.
There is a difference between being able to do something and getting away with it. If Israel really let loose it's extremists and committed large scale pogroms on the Palestinians even the USA could possibly protect them but practically every other country on earth would embargo Israel and freeze it's assets. They got away with the pogroms in Sabra and Shatila because it happened in Lebanon and the people involved were mostly their Lebanese stooges. A Knesset investigation blamed Ariel Sharon and several army commanders for the Sabra and Shatila pogrom and not doing jack shit to stop it. Predictably Arial Sharon never suffered any consequences.
Technically correct, and completely symbolic and irrelevant.
Israeli policy in the West Bank has typically been to take land by force and demand that the Palestinians do nothing about it. Israeli policy in the Gaza Strip has been to blockade all shipments to the area and to forcibly prevent anyone from leaving, and then periodically "mow the grass" (this is the Israeli term for their periodic indiscriminate bombing of Gaza).
Any reasonably fair way of looking at the conflict in the Levant acknowledges three basic facts:
1. Both Israelis and Palestinians have been absolutely brutal, including attacking and terrorizing civilians.
2. Israel is currently winning by a wide margin. For instance, in the last dust-up, approximately 1200 Gazans died, and approximately 10 Israelis died. Or you can look at who controls what land. Or you can look at the casualties over the last 10 years, which give Israel approximately a 6:1 advantage.
3. Neither Israel nor Hamas nor Fatah operate within the bounds of international law.
I know a doctor who has been going to Gaza for years to operate on people injured and crippled in Israeli attacks. According to him, while the Israelis don't block medical shipments, they delay them until medications are time expired and they do things like store delicate medical equipment outside exposed to the elements until it is useless before releasing it or search sealed sterile containers without resealing them properly resulting in equipment arriving full of dust and dirt i.e. useless. If you want to get medical equipment into Gaza you are better off shipping medicine and medical equipment to Egypt and then negotiating with criminals to smuggle it into Gaza via tunnels. At least that way it will get to Gaza in a usable condition. The Israelis will also refuse medical professionals and aid workers entry after making them wait for weeks, without any rational explanation as to why they are being turned back.
> For instance, in the last dust-up, approximately 1200 Gazans died
According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cloud_Pillar ) this is actually the number of Palestinians *injured*, not killed:
"Between 158 and 177 Palestinians died in the operation, with between 55 and 120 of them being combatants. An additional 1,200-1,300 Palestinians were injured, and between 350 and 700 Palestinian families displaced."
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But isn't copyright infringement a civil matter? The state can prosecute you for gambling, and child pornography, but doesn't an individual or company have to file a claim for copyright infringement? This seems like a ridiculous thing for a national level government to be concerning itself with.
And half of the debate in Parliament is whether or not "Jewish" refers to an ethnic group or a religious group.
Meir Kahane's party was outlawed for its racist platform. The "fanatics" on the Palestinian side are the ruling power in Gaza.
Google Mufti of Jeruzalem. A man much admired by Fatah and its leadership and one of the architects of the holocaust.
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They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Not every single issue merits going through a public referendum.
Atta boy, Adolph!
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
By that I guess you mean proportional representation including for those refugees banned from returning by the Israeli congress, hmm, what no, well you gotta be a propagandist troll them! Token representation by a few Uncle Toms is meaningless.
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