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The Trials and Tribulations of a Would-Be Facebook Employee

An anonymous reader writes "It may be hard for Facebook HR infrastructure to keep up with the rapid growth of the company, so scheduling and performing Skype screening interviews with the prospective new developers appears deteriorating into disorderly jumble. In a blog post, a recent candidate for a development job at Facebook has shared his excruciation at coordinating and then having this preliminary interview, pointing out the unhelpfulness of HR staff at Facebook during all stages of the process."

241 comments

  1. Maybe Facebook does not want help. by game+kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe Facebook does not want help. That's a good thing, because no one should want to help Facebook.

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    1. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by crutchy · · Score: 1

      re: "rapid growth of the company"

      q: how many programmers does it take to maintain a website?

      the facebook home page doesn't even validate

    2. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Stiletto · · Score: 0

      the facebook home page doesn't even validate

      LOL nor does:

      • Apple's, 2 Errors, 1 warning(s)
      • Amazon's, 458 Errors, 142 warning(s)
      • Google's, 23 Errors, 3 warning(s)
      • Yahoo's, 187 Errors, 8 warning(s)
      • Youtube's, 65 Errors, 5 warning(s)
      • Wikipedia's, 59 Errors, 29 warning(s)
      • eBay's, 537 Errors, 28 warning(s)
      • MSN's, 33 Errors, 2 warning(s)

      ... which means what about the company?

    3. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by crutchy · · Score: 1

      re: "q: how many programmers does it take to maintain a website?"

      judging by your diligent research, large companies don't really give a shit about maintaining their website, or they don't give a shit about standards compliance, which is odd since a common pinnacle of quality assurance is compliance with ISO 9001.

    4. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISO/IEC 23026:2006 being the standard i was trying to think of

    5. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a programmer crutchy?

    6. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crutchy answered that question: (lmao crutchy's reaction) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505 so you can be fairly sure he isn't since he can't prove it.

    7. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why're you posting as ac now crutchy? Trying to hide something, like this http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335317&cid=42377493 since in case you hadn't noticed, the font in your reply matches your earlier post here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335317&cid=42377493 and here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335317&cid=42373251

    9. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't talk coding were I you crutchy. See here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335317&cid=42378099 you blew it.

    10. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by crutchy · · Score: 1

      hey apk... fixed that bug yet?

    11. Re:Maybe Facebook does not want help. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Wow and I felt bad because my company's had a small handful, but I'm about as good as all of Apple's web devs combined it seems. Imagine if they actually motivated me to get shit done with money.

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  2. Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could see going to work for Facebook before the IPO, but now? You've missed the chance to get rich. Working for Facebook seems to be crunch hell in giant bullpens with bad bosses.

    Facebook seems to have peaked in terms of users and traffic.Now it's all about "monetizing the user base", i.e. shoving as many ads as possible at the users and selling tracking data.

    1. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good point, except when has it NOT been about monetizing the user base?

    2. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Gordo_1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, in the early growth years it wasn't the immediate strategy.

      The way I look at it (along with every other free social network type thing) is that you grow it as long as you can, and then when it starts to level off (because you either don't provide enough value to expand beyond your niche, or in the case of Facebook, just about anyone who could get on is already on) you figure out ways to monetize that captive audience.

      Facebook is only different from Myspace, Friendster, Sixdegrees and so on in that they were able to appeal to a broader audience and sustain the growth for much longer. It will plateau, and it will fade away just like all the others, but it will take much longer from peak to irrelevance (I'd say roughly 8-12 years) because that many more people were there at the peak.

    3. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      I just wished they would throw me meaningful ads, rather than offers for siding while living a rented appt

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    4. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by nightcats · · Score: 1

      I think the woman at the end of that film said all that needs to be said: "Mark, you're not really an asshole, you just try really hard to be one..."

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    5. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to remember though, that the film was a work of fiction, because he really is an asshole.

    6. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You base that assertion on what, exactly?

      I'd certainly feel better about my own lack of wealth if I could write off all self-made billionaires as assholes, but I prefer not to make assumptions about the character of people I never met.

      So on what do you base your assertion? The Winklevoss thing, or something else?

      Merry Christmas!

    7. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Informative

      You base that assertion on what, exactly?

      I'd certainly feel better about my own lack of wealth if I could write off all self-made billionaires as assholes, but I prefer not to make assumptions about the character of people I never met.

      So on what do you base your assertion? The Winklevoss thing, or something else?

      Merry Christmas!

      Because he was a lying weasel.

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    8. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by davester666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well then you'll have to log into Facebook while you surf for midget porn. Then you'll get the ads you desire.

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    9. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by petsounds · · Score: 2

      Well, in the early growth years it wasn't the immediate strategy.

      It was ALWAYS the strategy for Facebook. It's the strategy for *any* social service that doesn't charge the user base. If someone is running a free, for-profit service and don't plan to monetize the user base, then they are an idiot and the investors who gave him or her money to burn are idiots too. I think Zuckerberg is scum of the earth, but he's certainly not an idiot. His plan was always to sell his users like cattle.

      And for the record, the Silicon Valley venture capitalists who fund these services are equal parts scum. They've made "free" normal, expected, for a whole generation. They all know what the end-game is: whoring out users' privacy and creating invasive profiles of you and your family for fun and profit (which the government will gain access to as they desire).

    10. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've missed the chance to get rich.

      Never mind anyhow - There may have been a chance for the stock to soar, but it didn't happen. Since the IPO the stock has trended down.

    11. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Johann+Lau · · Score: 0

      His dream was/is for everybody to use Facebook. You may see nothing wrong there, for me it's enough. Having "middleman" as the highest aspiration doesn't make you an asshole though; that would require a bit more humanity. He's a Gates/Jobs class derp, they're a dime a dozen, and the similarities are more interesting, and more meaningful, than the differences.

      He forfeited his chance to be taken seriously by me as a human being when he tried to hang his dick into grandma's cereal, and just because I can say that about a bunch of folks doesn't mean I won't say it about all of them.

    12. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by nightcats · · Score: 1

      Ha, good one. He's definitely a symptom of a disease, that's perhaps the most charitable thing I have to say about the child. As individuals, we often are aware that the presence of a symptom -- diarrhea, for instance (keeping metaphorically to topic) -- is a signal for us to consider possible viral, bacterial, or other causes of that symptom. As societies, we are not so good at looking beneath the surface, identifying and eliminating our disease processes. We merely attack or, worse still, identify with, our symptoms. As Thoreau said, there are a thousand hacking at the branches for every one who pulls at the root. Thoreau would have been a good IT manager.

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    13. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those dumb fucks."

    14. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by andy1307 · · Score: 1

      If you had joined google a few months after the IPO, you'd be a rich man. If FB can monetize their user base, they can make a lot of money. Make more money, stock price goes up. It all depends on your perspective. If you think FB has jumped the shark,you probably don't expect the stock price to go up.

    15. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark, stop trolling slashdot... it's almost Christmas. Shouldn't you be riding a jetski in Hawaii or Fiji right now?

    16. Re:Why go to work for Facebook post-IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in the early growth years it wasn't the immediate strategy.

      The way I look at it (along with every other free social network type thing) is that you grow it as long as you can, and then when it starts to level off (because you either don't provide enough value to expand beyond your niche, or in the case of Facebook, just about anyone who could get on is already on) you figure out ways to monetize that captive audience.

      Facebook is only different from Myspace, Friendster, Sixdegrees and so on in that they were able to appeal to a broader audience and sustain the growth for much longer. It will plateau, and it will fade away just like all the others, but it will take much longer from peak to irrelevance (I'd say roughly 8-12 years) because that many more people were there at the peak.

      I don't think the magnitude of the user bases can explain the rise and fall of MySpace and facebook. It's a technology story. It's all about web scripting and facebook having the ability to dynamically update sections of forms where MySpace was reloading entire pages every time the user tweaked almost anything, I still agree with your 8-12 year prediction, but because that's seems a decent estimate for when 3D displays and consumer hardware to create 3D media will be at market.

  3. HR will be HR by AntiBasic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    HR is always a bunch of ass-sucking sycophants. That is true in every industry. Never count on meeting an intelligent person is HR. And NEVER count on them as an ally -- they are there for the company, not you. They ONLY time they might take your side is (if they are capable of understanding you) when you explain to them their managers have fucked up so badly, they will likely lose a lawsuit.

    Fuck HR. It is always a pink ghetto.

    1. Re:HR will be HR by sribe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fuck HR.

      Well, hey, when I was a young lad not long out of college, that's exactly what I did to the VP of HR one night. I still have fond memories...

    2. Re:HR will be HR by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have had only 2 major experiences with HR departments in my professional life. The first one claimed "they" were eager to help me in a dispute with my managers... then ended up stabbing me in the back.

      The HR department (different company) I dealt with after that, however, I have to say was friendly and helpful.

    3. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HR is always a bunch of ass-sucking sycophants. That is true in every industry. Never count on meeting an intelligent person is HR. And NEVER count on them as an ally -- they are there for the company, not you. They ONLY time they might take your side is (if they are capable of understanding you) when you explain to them their managers have fucked up so badly, they will likely lose a lawsuit.

      Fuck HR. It is always a pink ghetto.

      HR...unhelpful...useless...how strange....

    4. Re:HR will be HR by WWJohnBrowningDo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You use that word as if it's an insult.

    5. Re:HR will be HR by pwizard2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I even take issue with the term Human Resources. Resources in an office context are computers, filing cabinets, copiers, etc. I'm a person, not a fucking resource! If management places people in the same category as furniture, then no wonder these companies are such god-awful places to work.

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    6. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you get the job?

    7. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sexual

    8. Re:HR will be HR by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      Whether or not an expression is an insult has everything to do with the speaker's intent. "homo" clearly was an insult, as the speaker's tone suggests, unless he was making a joke.

    9. Re:HR will be HR by Demonantis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      HR was introduced to stop the development of unions and handle unions where they already existed. A pseudo management limbo if you will. Anything else they now have on their plate they fail at miserably. The biggest downfall is not understanding they should be an internal customer service oriented department like IT or facilities.

    10. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I even take issue with the term Human Resources. Resources in an office context are computers, filing cabinets, copiers, etc. I'm a person, not a fucking resource! If management places people in the same category as furniture, then no wonder these companies are such god-awful places to work.

      Yes, you are a resource -- a source of profit that is to be exploited as hard as possible for as long as possible, to extract as much value for the company as possible; then discarded and abandoned at the first instant you no longer provide profit.

      You are not a human being to them, because they are not human beings. They are management drone units. You are work drone unit. Nothing more. It's just business.

    11. Re:HR will be HR by erp_consultant · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Remember the fat chick that couldn't get a date for the prom? The dork that got stuffed into a gym locker? Those people now work in an HR department somewhere...and they hate the prom queen and the captain of the football team and anyone else that was successful/smart/popular. Come to think of it they hate pretty much everyone...unless you're a fellow HR drone, then you're ok.

    12. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what you are talking about, at most companies I have worked at the women in HR are the hottest in the company. The most useless, but also the hottest. Probably related - the prom queen usually gets what she wants without having to do much besides look good...

    13. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck HR.

      Finch and Mr. Reese are taking care of this.

    14. Re:HR will be HR by wisty · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but that's just history.

      HR are the modern-day equivalent of the secretary who is there to save the ass of her completely incompetent boss, simply by virtue of the fact that she knows how to keep a todo list and just gets her job done without thinking too much.

    15. Re:HR will be HR by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Informative

      No.

      HR Is full of the prom queens and football captains who everyone loves but who have no idea what they're doing at actual work, so you put them in HR, so they have a career but never actually touch a customer project.

    16. Re:HR will be HR by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I had an HR drone haggle me so much in response to the money issue that when I was hired, my manager appologized that he wouldn't be able to pay the agreed rate. The HR person put down a number lower than the lowest range for the position. I was given a $2000 raise before I even started. There's no reason for the HR person to have haggled me down so low, when the range was was well above the ranges we were talking. I'd been offered a job before, only to have it disappear when I asked for too much (then found a similar job for more elsewhere, so no great loss), so I was concerned about that again, so I was realistic but not pushy. Then he talked me down $10,000, implying that my initial number was too high, when it was still at the low end of the range, and he talked me down to a number lower than they could pay.

      The only good thing is that I'll get many years of raises before I'm close to the position ceiling. I spent 7 years at the pay ceiling in a previous job I held for 8 years. Not even inflation raises there.

      Another place I worked, I met the HR recruiter my first day, the first contact I had with him. Turns out I was hired in the back door, the IT department doesn't use HR because HR is incapable of screening IT professionals reliably.

    17. Re:HR will be HR by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Haha.

      I see how that turned out kind of funny, even though it wasn't meant that way. I quit that first job, and the position I took after that was with a company with no HR department. The other one I mentioned was some years later.

    18. Re:HR will be HR by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      HR is always a bunch of ass-sucking sycophants.

      I beg to differ. I've been hired at two different companies in my career where the HR staff did an amazing job of getting an offer to me in a hurry and arranging the meetings I had to have to get those offers. Now, that's two instances over a couple of decades, but it only takes one counter-example to disprove your claim.

      -jcr

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    19. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the fuck, are you 7 and 3/4?

      Get over it. You're a resource.

    20. Re:HR will be HR by St.Creed · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but it was sexist in another way too, assuming the VP would be male instead of female. In my multinational company, the VP is a she.

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    21. Re:HR will be HR by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Management controls HR's paycheck. Of course HR will stab you in the back. Management covers management's ass, no matter what.

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    22. Re:HR will be HR by blippo · · Score: 1

      I think that the point is that if the relation is of the win-win kind, then it's more likely that the long term profits are going to be high.

      The tricky part is to be able to take the occasional tough decision.

    23. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only support the parent post. I'm now in a position where I hire 1-2 persons a year for fixed-term research positions. And I'm still shocked by the fact that people are called "resources". In a sense, humans can indeed be seen as resources, like everything in this world (including CEOs, money, air, or your pet). But they are special kinds of resources, and this specificity needs to be taken into account.

    24. Re:HR will be HR by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      All this talk of pay ceiling and being haggled down doesn't sound like a reasonable way to sell your services.

      I make sure that any potential employer is in the right ballpark before I go to interview. No point in wasting anyone's time if the numbers don't stack up. After all, they already have a resume, so they know what I am capable. The interview should then be about making sure it is accurate, and that we are a good cultural fit for each other.

      IMHO you need to man up and not treat prospective employers as holding all the cards. Taking a negotiating course might pay for itself as well.

    25. Re:HR will be HR by Johann+Lau · · Score: 0

      Appreciate the joke, considering alienated slave society requires and nurtures infantility and lack of ability to think. None of you even deserve punishment, or to be taken into consideration at all.

    26. Re:HR will be HR by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      Currently taking my old work through Tribunal process due to incompetent HR.... Says it all really. Lovely company, wonderful people - but HR? Incompetent from the start, and at the end, and at most points in the middle

    27. Re:HR will be HR by umghhh · · Score: 1

      'tis all depends - we are resources for them as the company indeed is a means of providing profit for its owner(s) at least in normal cases. This said if company interest in particular area goes beyond next quarter then you may argue if they are able for recognizing self interest theys hould be dealing with you in a professional manner and this includes all the niceties as well as reasonable transparency etc. If that does not happen the company may be falling apart internally because folk on the floor is busy coursing management as well as looking for another job instead of looking at the benefits they can provide for the company with their work and cooperation. So if you take it really on economical level it shows that if company has plans to be there next year maybe they should be investing some into way the interfaces towards the floor folk work. Usually however the shit comes from above in literal way: HR behave like a bunch of assholes because they are treated like a bunch of assholes by their supervisors etc.

    28. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      100% agreed.

      The thing that really gets me is that the word "resources" feels like staff are a commodity: all drones are the same component, necessarily interchangeable, and if you need more done then you hire more drones and/or hire more expensive drones.

      In reality, acknowledging the individual strengths (and addressing the individual weaknesses) of the real people working for an organisation is one of the biggest motivating factors there is. In contrast, and counter-intuitively to some people, just offering more money doesn't actually make that big a difference as long as you're paying a decent rate to start with.

      I've always said that if any of my companies ever grows to the point that we have to bring in dedicated people to handle this sort of thing, we'll go back to the old name "personnel department" or some other less offensive/patronising description than "human resources".

      As an side, whether it's "HR" or "IT" or anyone else, the default answer to questions for the form "This would help me do my job better, can the company please buy it for me?" will be "Yes". I never understand places who hire programmers for (in US terms) a six-figure salary, but then balk at dropping a few thousand more every few years to get them a state-of-the-art PC, whatever software tools they most prefer, the most comfortable chair/desk/lighting, and so on. And I never understand places who make it unnecessarily difficult for someone good to combine working for them and meeting their family care obligations. Obviously there comes a point where someone can no longer do the job effectively for one reason or another, but until you reach that point, don't you want to hire the best people you can and then make the most of them once you've got them?

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    29. Re:HR will be HR by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Didn't HR get their asses handed to them by Elias last time I looked?

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    30. Re:HR will be HR by steveg · · Score: 1

      On the side of the company? Not in my experience. HR is not on anyone's side. They are there to prevent hiring, as near as I can tell. In every organization I've ever been in, they seem to see their job as blocking you from getting hired, or if you're on the other end, preventing you from hiring the people you need.

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    31. Re:HR will be HR by jelizondo · · Score: 1

      I truly hope that you never lose sight of your ideals.

      I have worked for companies that while small had that human touch and as they grew they lost it.

      When your boss or Finance or whoever wants to impress the shareholders with cost reductions, they start to slip, denying you the very tools needed to make a good product.

      The more layers there are between the people producing the goods (physical or otherwise) and the shareholders, the greater the chances of stupid decisions that look good on paper ('Hey! We reduced costs 10%!') but damage the company in the long run.

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    32. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, HR actually like unions because they only have to deal with the union head honcho. They can wine and dine them and sell the deal to them alone and leave them to sell the deal to all the awkward sods in the company. Without a union they have to deal with each employee separately and try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

    33. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only good thing is that I'll get many years of raises before I'm close to the position ceiling. I spent 7 years at the pay ceiling in a previous job I held for 8 years. Not even inflation raises there.

      I would like to hire you because you are so obviously gullible. Well maybe not, you may not be very good at critical thinking.

    34. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it looks like I'm an Alpha Male in the pink ghetto then. In our old payroll system, I was listed as the only male in the entire 80 person company, everyone else defaulted to female for some reason. HR is mainly there to cover management's ass. That's who pays me. In most cases, we fire employees who drastically fuck up. Like the guy who didn't read the paperwork that clearly states "you must meet tarmac security at the airport" highlighted and circled on the paperwork. We had 3 component people not read that.

      I find some organizations use HR to be the scapegoat, while they screw the employees, I'm well aware of it though. You want to move far away from an organization like that.

      Here's an article about liability for the HR professional. If I ever get involved in a case like that, I'll make damn sure my employers on the hook for legal costs, even if I have the drag the guy out in public via an ad in the New York Times. Imagine your name in print in the NY Times but not in a good way, that's one way to get your legal costs paid, and a nice severance package to boot.
      http://www.epspros.com/NewsResources/Newsletters?find=13954

    35. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      When your boss or Finance or whoever wants to impress the shareholders with cost reductions

      I think you found the problem right there: management should be impressing the shareholders/private owners by generating good returns. You can do that by reducing costs, or you can do it by generating more revenues, or both. But you can only reduce costs so far and still get the job done, while if you do a good job the increase in revenues can be almost unlimited in many industries.

      In my experience, the kind of management team who think of their staff as interchangeable components and understand their business as cells on a spreadsheet are rarely able to conceive ways to significantly increase revenues, so the only tool in their box is cutting costs. These people are toxic. They can only sustain a business (maybe), not develop it. Development comes from the people building better products and services and from the people who go out to market and sell those products and services to paying customers, not from management or Finance or HR. If the productive people are artificially restrained, the business is already dead.

      Fortunately, all my companies are privately held and we've always made a point of bootstrapping without taking on formal investors (and the interference that inevitably results), so generally the shareholders are the people who founded the business and maybe a few key contributors as well. And I think those of us who double as the management teams all share a common view on these kinds of issues: spending money to make good people as productive as possible is an investment almost guaranteed to yield excellent returns, whether that is getting someone a third monitor and a high-end graphics card to drive it, sending someone on a good training course (which many aren't, but that's another post), or buying a top-of-the-range chair for someone who's had back problems. That is why it's baffling to me that professional investors and executives used to dealing with them so often seem to pull in the other direction...

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    36. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I even take issue with the term Human Resources.

      I take issue when the system that adopts such a term is not called "bunch of psychos".

    37. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emphasis on the V.

    38. Re:HR will be HR by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I make sure that any potential employer is in the right ballpark before I go to interview.

      The new position was still a 25% raise over the old position. And the initial money talks start before the hiring manager sees resume.

      IMHO you need to man up and not treat prospective employers as holding all the cards.

      A job I had a few years back, I was desperate for a job, so I took the first offer. They knew I might be desperate, but didn't push it. But, when they knew I wasn't desperate (I had a job with them, now I could look at my leisure, rather than lose my house), they gave me a $10,000 raise at my 30 day review. Before I left, I found out that I was, for a time, the second highest paid employee, behind the CEO. I made more than my boss, and he didn't even know that.

      As for the current job, I thought of it as a 2-year stepping stone (right job for this market that will leave me with a very desireable resume, always employable, and for good money, so it had plenty of worth other than just the cash. Though after being there for a while, I may just try to retire there, so it was a good move, and having recently lost an opportunity because I was asking for market value had me warry. And I needed out of the old one. Before (especially living in Mom's basement) I had no risk, so I would get large pay jumps between jobs, and push for the higher pay. Now, married with two kids and more debt than I'd like, safe is more important at times.

      Just because your risk profile is different from someone else's doesn't mean their decision is wrong.

    39. Re:HR will be HR by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What is the critical thinking flaw? I've worked multiple places where the pay bands are set in stone, and you get raises up to a point, but never above the band. Some places are even statutorily set out that way. I had a teacher in high school that made about 20% more than her pay cap, so she'll never get another raise. She managed to be above the pay cap when the cap was lowered, and the district didn't cut any pay above it. If she started a few years later, she'd never have hit that pay level. For the one I sat at the pay cap for, I got to see my pay cap, and all the process and procedure around it. There were enough people at that pay cap that we ended up all getting promotions to be able to get raises. The pay was above market, and the job was not bad. Money isn't everything.

    40. Re:HR will be HR by Hall · · Score: 1

      They generally are in "large" corporations. Many are also non-Caucasian as well. It shows that the company is "diverse" and modern.

    41. Re:HR will be HR by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      You were doing so well until you dropped into bitter misogynist mode there at the end.

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    42. Re:HR will be HR by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      You do realize you're on Slashdot, right? Not really the right place to sling those kinds of insults around.

      Oh, I just looked at your username, "erp_consultant." I think you're in the wrong place. ESPN.com is just down the hall ...

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    43. Re:HR will be HR by jelizondo · · Score: 1

      Amen to that brother

      May you and your business prosper, you deserve it.

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    44. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. They're the gatekeepers that keep anyone from getting employed no matter how potentially useful they may actually be because of very narrowly defined criteria they use to filter people out. For HR, the definition of doing one's job sucessfully is to make sure nobody new actually gets hired.

      So despite what you know, you're either too inexperienced or too overqualified, didn't get this cert, or extra degree that wasn't mentioned in the hiring ad, and then somehow don't meet the criteria for using X number of in-house management systems or software which you're unlikely to be experienced in using unless you somehow had worked there before. And then companies bitch and moan about why they can't find enough qualified people? (Or at least at a salary that they're willing to pay.)

    45. Re:HR will be HR by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      The only good thing is that I'll get many years of raises before I'm close to the position ceiling. I spent 7 years at the pay ceiling in a previous job I held for 8 years. Not even inflation raises there.

      Maybe you're making a lot, so you wouldn't mind not having raises and stuff. If you asked me, though, the fact that you rationalized how HR offered you a discounted salary by the _promises_ of getting raises in the coming few years, is quite the hallmark of gullibility. I mean, sure, they might keep their promise, but there's nothing to prevent them from reneging on it.

      I don't know where you work, but I don't see how come a company (or organization) could not even adjust your salary for inflation. In a way, I guess it's a good thing that you're happy with it, but most people would feel a bit resentful about it, even if it's a fact of life in at your workplace.

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    46. Re:HR will be HR by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      HR never made that promise, and that you inferred it from my statements seems to indicate to me that the one with the critical thinking errors isn't me.

    47. Re:HR will be HR by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

      Never count on meeting an intelligent person is HR

      Between that and the term "pink ghetto", you are clearly an expert to be trusted.

    48. Re:HR will be HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was being a troll and yall should be ashamed for feeding him.

    49. Re:HR will be HR by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Hr isnt the one who is incompetent here. Let me sum up this guy's complaints:

      1) They offered him the chance to give a time preference for his schedule in December, which I will note is one month away from November, and two months from October, not the 3 he mentioned. He is frustrated that he doesnt know his schedule in December, which to me means you say "i have no preference".

      2) It turns out that his preference (which he gave despite not actually knowing what it was?) was ONLY a preference, not a mandate; and it turns out that hes not the only person who's schedule they have to work with. Possibly waiting a full month to respond with a schedule preference has something to do with why yours was ignored; Im gonna guess that all of their other candidates who responded sooner had better luck on this point

      3) Skype had a technical malfunction! Must be the result of incompetent HR at Facebook. And then to top it off he had to use the phone and couldnt figure out how to set up hands-free so he could skype and talk. Heres a few suggestions:
      A) speakerphone
      B) Bluetooth
      C) Google Voice
      D) hold the phone with your shoulder

      If the guy cant figure out how to use a normal phone in a hands-free manner, perhaps facebook is not the right location for him after all. Not a programmer, but it seems to me that "able to solve simple problems" is a basic qualification.

    50. Re:HR will be HR by dogsbreath · · Score: 1

      HR is always a bunch of ass-sucking sycophants. That is true in every industry. Never count on meeting an intelligent person is HR. And NEVER count on them as an ally -- they are there for the company, not you. They ONLY time they might take your side is (if they are capable of understanding you) when you explain to them their managers have fucked up so badly, they will likely lose a lawsuit.

      Fuck HR. It is always a pink ghetto.

      Too true, but you have to understand that the primary purpose of HR is not to hire the best talent available to fill the positions that make the company go. That is completely off the mark.

      HR exists to minimize what is the largest expense for most companies: the employee payroll.

      Like most divisions/departments in large companies, HR has other priorities but the number one priority is to reduce payroll expense.

      Seriously.

      That's why they dick with benefits every year and implement performance review processes that largely obscure the fact that total available budget for pay raises was set in a high level executive meeting prior to anyone's review and no one will get $$ recognition outside of preset boundaries.

      They also like to screen out unstable personalities, hence the typical psych profile questions. Again, this is not about hiring good people; it's just that when an employee goes off the rails it tends to increase corporate expense drastically.

      Typically, the only interviewer at the table with a vested interest in hiring the best fit for the job is the manager of the area with the open position. Usually this person is outnumbered by HR flaks.

      So, you are absolutely correct: HR is not your friend. They are the fat trimmers and EVERYONE looks like greasy bacon to them.

      It is not surprising that the person in the article was treated so badly. Just means that the particular HR dept has gone cannibalistic and has reduced itself to the point that they can no longer execute an efficient hiring process. Again though, this is not dysfunctional for HR. Making it hard for people to get hired works to make HR's stats look good.

      Ooooops, there goes my cynicism again. ;->

  4. Facebook..shower of bastards by ickleberry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This should come as no surprise though. In these modern times of recession and people being made unemployed due to robots it really is a buyer's market and employers can pull as much "shit" as they like and still have a queue of people outside the door looking for jobs.

    1. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This should come as no surprise though. In these modern times of recession and people being made unemployed due to robots it really is a buyer's market and employers can pull as much "shit" as they like and still have a queue of people outside the door looking for jobs.

      A queue of desperate people. The good people will never put up with this shit and get jobs through their own personal network that bypasses HR. Ask any manager who needs to fill a slot about the quality of people they get from HR. And I have not gotten a job through traditional means for about 20 years.

      I do not know why companies still put up with this...

    2. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Rakishi · · Score: 2

      Yeah that's why google was giving $500k to their employees to not go to Facebook, real buyers market. *rolls eyes*

    3. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mainly because HR has wormed it's way into companies via legislation...Sarbanes/Oxley, various harassment type legislation, etc. They seem themselves as some great service and necessary but everyone knows that they are just idiots. If you're lucky the only time you will ever hear from HR is the day you are hired, benefits enrollment and the day you quit.

    4. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by lucm · · Score: 1

      This should come as no surprise though. In these modern times of recession and people being made unemployed due to robots it really is a buyer's market and employers can pull as much "shit" as they like and still have a queue of people outside the door looking for jobs.

      A queue of desperate people. The good people will never put up with this shit and get jobs through their own personal network that bypasses HR. Ask any manager who needs to fill a slot about the quality of people they get from HR. And I have not gotten a job through traditional means for about 20 years.

      I do not know why companies still put up with this...

      I don't know in what kind of organization you work, but in most large companies you can't go about hiring people without following the official process. Many times when I had good candidates in my network I had to tell them to send their resume to HR - event trying to get them together with the hiring manager for a coffee would possibly jeopardize their application.

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    5. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Geeky · · Score: 1

      I don't know in what kind of organization you work, but in most large companies you can't go about hiring people without following the official process. Many times when I had good candidates in my network I had to tell them to send their resume to HR - event trying to get them together with the hiring manager for a coffee would possibly jeopardize their application.

      In the UK it's quite common for companies to offer bonuses to staff for introducing suitable candidates in order to get recommendations. If I introduce someone who is taken on and gets through the six month probation period, I get a four figure bonus (the first figure is quite small, admittedly!). I think that's partly because it's a lot cheaper than using agencies, who typically charge a high percentage of the first year's salary.

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    6. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in most large companies you can't go about hiring people without following the official process

      I was hired by a very large company two years ago. My hiring process was essentially backwards: I did a 'phone interview with the VP first where he did most of the talking, was told I'd got the job and then spoke to to the HR person. The HR step was just a formality; she'd already been instructed to hire me.

      Personal connections always beat the official process.

    7. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as much "shit" as they like and still have a queue of people outside the door looking for jobs.

      Sounds more like a queue of people outside a job looking for the door. It is not in the company interest to select among applicants by applying secondary criteria like the tolerance towards pulling shit unless your company is full of shit.

      If HR delivers an incompetent brown-noser justifiably low on self-esteem when they had hundreds of candidates to pick from, they are doing a worse job than dice-rolling and should more usefully be replaced by the same.

    8. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you to have had "in's" for a long time. Thanks daddy! Not everyone is as lucky as you, you fucking ignorant cunt fart.

    9. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by lucm · · Score: 1

      in most large companies you can't go about hiring people without following the official process

      I was hired by a very large company two years ago. My hiring process was essentially backwards: I did a 'phone interview with the VP first where he did most of the talking, was told I'd got the job and then spoke to to the HR person. The HR step was just a formality; she'd already been instructed to hire me.

      Personal connections always beat the official process.

      That must be indeed a very large company if "the" VP took the time to make a phone interview. I guess he then told the CEO all about you and together they pressured the head of HR to bypass the typical hiring process while they were all waiting for they turn to use the microwave in the break room.

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    10. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by boxxertrumps · · Score: 1

      "Hey guys, whoever declines a job offer from facebook gets half a mil."

      Then it's a contest.

    11. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That must be indeed a very large company if "the" VP took the time to make a phone interview.

      It was Hewlett Packard. I think they're pretty big, right?

    12. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by lucm · · Score: 1

      It would have been more convincing if your story had taken into consideration the fact that the company is usually called "HP" and that they have shitloads of VPs, not one, but just for the sake of avoiding more of that bullshit story I'll agree that if an executive makes a phone call to get his retarded cousin a job in the mail room HR may end up binding the rules. Bravo.

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    13. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the company is usually called "HP"

      The company I'm employed by is "Hewlett Packard Ltd.".

      they have shitloads of VPs, not one

      I only report to one person, who in turn reports to one VP, who in turn reports to one SVP, who in turn reports to a Director, who in turn reports to Meg Whitman.

      In fact my ex-colleague, who was hired less than two months prior to myself, reported to Shane Robison on his original paperwork. You know so much about HP so you know who Shane Robison is (was), right? OS&T? Sure you do. Oh, because they hadn't hired THE VP who we would actually report to once they'd hired THE VP. You know, THE VP, that I care about. The one who I spoke to on the phone. Yeah, THE VP.

      Still, you believe what you like. Try not to act too bitter about it though.

    14. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by lucm · · Score: 1

      I only report to one person, who in turn reports to one VP, who in turn reports to one SVP, who in turn reports to a Director, who in turn reports to Meg Whitman.

      ... and Meg Whitman is born in New-York City, where Kevin Bacon went to launch his acting career. You win!

      The company I'm employed by is "Hewlett Packard Ltd." [...] Try not to act too bitter about it though.

      I am not sure why you picked HP. If one wants to pretend that he is working for a famous company, why not pick a successful one? Or if you really wanted to associate with losers, Zynga or Groupon would have been more impressive.

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    15. Re:Facebook..shower of bastards by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Based on eloquence like that, I can not imagine why you are not hired! As for me, it is not luck, but skill. Both in my profession, and in presenting myself to prospective employers or clients. And if you have been in this industry for more than 5 years and you do not have a deep Rolodex of colleagues, you are at the mercy of the four winds.

  5. In summary by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Email problems with the HR drone
    - Skype call interview organised for a time not convenient for him
    - Network issues during the call

    Um, cry me a river?

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    1. Re:In summary by ink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, after reviewing his "tribulations", I'm not sure I'd want to hire such a whiner.

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    2. Re:In summary by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously. Why should we care about this guy's complaints in the least?

      I've had job interviews in the past that left me with a bad opinion of a company... and know what I did? Hint: Whining about it online wasn't it. I chalked it up to experience and thanked my lucky stars I figured it out before working there. In the few cases I got an offer from them, I politely declined.

      I'm tempted to complain about "kids today", but the grass is in pretty sorry shape right now so I don't care if they're standing on it.

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    3. Re:In summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      - Email problems with the HR drone
      - Skype call interview organised for a time not convenient for him
      - Network issues during the call

      Certainly we can ignore the network issues... but I think he is wrong there anyway. If the interviewer had simply called back 5 minutes later, the call would very probably have taken a somewhat different route.

      But as for those other two? Not so fast!

      He didn't have "email problems" with the HR drone. He showed a very clear pattern of negligence.

      As for the actual scheduling, he also showed a persistent pattern of negligence.

      That's not the same as a simple mistake or foulup here or there. The pattern seemed pretty clear to me.

    4. Re:In summary by ktappe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't hire someone who uses the word "whiner". It shows a lack of empathy and ability to recognize that situations can be improved.

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    5. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice try, whiner.

    6. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PWNT. i lol'd irl.

      after i lol'd i realised that the guy does come off a little like a drama queen, but thats because it was important to him and he felt like they screwed up and that might have messed up his chances.

    7. Re:In summary by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't hire someone who uses the word "whiner". It shows a lack of empathy and ability to recognize that situations can be improved.

      But you would hire someone who gets so upset over a few minor communication issues? Doesn't sound like a guy who can cope well under pressure to me.

    8. Re:In summary by gaelfx · · Score: 2

      Let's not forget that apparently he can't figure out how to talk on the phone and type with both hands at the same time? Who would hire someone who can't figure out speakerphone?

    9. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the guy gave a crap about getting the job he would have called the recruiter or one of the key contacts on the interviews afterwards and explained himself.

    10. Re:In summary by unity · · Score: 2

      Same here, I got to about halfway through and was wishing I had the opportunity to tell him, "thanks, we'll let you know."

    11. Re:In summary by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it's very hard to weed out complainers in an HR process, but they are enormous drains on productivity, even one slip and you can be toxic to a potential employer if they are expressly trying to minimize problem employees.

        I've had to work with a few of those over the years, one who was an old codger that refused to use e-mail and demanded an office in an area only accessible via stairwell (not allowed because students (i.e. customers) with mobility issues could never get there), and refused to attend departmental meetings. Which usually were about 15 minutes of 'hey lab person, anything we need to know about broken equipment that might screw up our plans?' He was a constant waste of management time trying to get him to do his fucking job. Another is a younger person who had a fit at customers because of where they were standing, basically all she did was spend her days complaining about how everything that went wrong was someone else's fault (which, because she complained about everything that went wrong, even if it had nothing to do with her was true). She was a giant sap on everyone else's productivity listening to her, a huge sink in employee morale, and just a generally unpleasant person to have around.

      The first guy didn't start out that way, apparently for 20 odd years before I got there he was very well regarded, and then he got sick and something rattled his brain. The other one if you caught her between fits seemed like she had a lot of useful ideas on how to improve things (which was sort of what was looked for in an employee). In HR some of her ideas were... impractical but you can't fault someone for not knowing departmental budgets and resources when they aren't actually in the process. When she was actually in the loop her ideas became even more wildly impractical as people told her no to the just impractical ones.

      While not at the same place, both of those people will heavily influence future hiring decisions. Contracts will be much more restrictive to deal with the first, and anyone who even seems like they might be a complainer is just not going to be hired for a years, even if that sort of thing could be useful.

    12. Re:In summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I don't know very many people who have a speakerphone at home. I can put Skype on what is effectively speakerphone, but quality suffers... besides, he wasn't on Skype then.

      I also have a Motorola cell phone with a pretty decent "speakerphone" mode. But most cell phones, in my experience, are not very good at that.

    13. Re:In summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Yup. I'm an engineering director in SF. I would certainly skip this dude."

      I think more to the point is: if your behavior were anything like hers, HE would skip YOU.

    14. Re:In summary by jmak · · Score: 1

      Almost all cellphones today come with a hands-free headset. I actually used it during an interview with Facebook, and had zero problems typing and speaking at the same time, although they didn't hire me either. I don't blame the headset though :)

    15. Re:In summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Almost all cellphones today come with a hands-free headset."

      That's a good point. It's not a speakerphone, but it works for hands-free.

    16. Re:In summary by St.Creed · · Score: 2

      Yep. Sounds like this was a student who got his first taste of the real world. I'm not at all sorry for him. A few more experiences like that and he'll probably adjust his attitude to the realities of life outside his dorm.

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    17. Re:In summary by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      And all cellphones (literally every one I've ever owned or examined) have speakerphone. They stopped listing it as a feature even for most "feature phones" a few years ago, because it's like advertising a car as possessing adjustable seats or automatic dome lights or some such. Not actually required, but you won't see anything that doesn't have it.

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    18. Re:In summary by arth1 · · Score: 1

      But you would hire someone who gets so upset over a few minor communication issues? Doesn't sound like a guy who can cope well under pressure to me.

      I don't mean to insult anyone, but that describes most developers I have met. Not all, but most.
      The dependence on technology and inability to route around problems astounds me at times.

      As for this guy, when I read the summary, I thought "butthurt kid". After reading more, I would add a couple more adjectives. Neither of which would be "flexible" or "result oriented".
      [b]It does not matter[/b] whether HR are idiots or not. It's [b]your[/b] job to get the job done despite such setbacks. If you aren't willing to, but cock the blame finger, you're not a person I would even consider hiring.

      HR: -1
      Applicant: -3

    19. Re:In summary by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      I'm confused on why Facebook is using Skype when they have their own:
      https://www.facebook.com/videocalling/
      Seems kind of crappy for a company to use a "competing" product instead of their own isn't it? That's like you going to a Ford dealership to look for a car, a saleman spends some time with you going over why this one model of Ford is the best car yada yada yada, and later you see him leaving in a Honda...

    20. Re:In summary by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      They all vary in capability though - my older droid phone had a terrible speakerphone, my newer one is a lot better

    21. Re:In summary by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Surely the difficult thing is figuring out whether the complaints are valid?

      I don't want to hire someone who is going to make mountains out of molehills and whine about every little thing [he said slightly hypocritically, having probably been guilty of that plenty of times himself in his early career]. But on the other hand, if there is a real problem, even a small one, that is unnecessarily interfering with someone's ability to get the job done or their satisfaction with how they do it, then I want to hire the kind of people who will flag it up in some constructive way so we can deal with it.

      If that means someone in management has to put up with a stream of minor complaints from each new starter for a while because it turns out that our management processes suck in a lot of silly little ways, then so be it.

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    22. Re:In summary by steviesteveo12 · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure about a stream of minor complaints from each new starter. I think this can so easily become "we did it differently at my last place" and you need some experience of how it works at the new place too before you can start fixing it. There will be low hanging fruit that's immediately obvious on their first day but given you've managed to avoid burning the place down so far, it's not as if you're sitting around waiting for your new hires to tell how it's done.

      I think the key words are "in a constructive way". For example, it seems like this guy's instinct after he (at least thinks he has) tanked a phone interview is to make an anonymous blogspot account and complain how he had too much warning to know if he was free, not enough warning to prepare for the interview and how he can't type and use a phone at the same time. I don't know anything else about him but so far it just doesn't scream "asset" to me.

    23. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every home phone I have owned for the last 20 years has had a speaker button. It hasn't always been great, but in a quiet room it's good enough.

    24. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't have "email problems" with the HR drone. He showed a very clear pattern of negligence.

      As for the actual scheduling, he also showed a persistent pattern of negligence.

      That's not the same as a simple mistake or foulup here or there. The pattern seemed pretty clear to me.

      Uh, that's a pattern from a single HR person we are talking about. Only relevant for the job experience if you are planning on sleeping with her.

    25. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waste not your time reading tfa, just another whiner, non-hire.

    26. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this guy was being tested or HR was observing how he handled unexpected problems, he failed miserably.

    27. Re:In summary by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Because he's unfortunately typical, and he might be trainable.

    28. Re:In summary by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Surely the difficult thing is figuring out whether the complaints are valid?

      Yes and no, the person making a complain is a large part of this. If everything they ever do is complain then it becomes a signal to noise problem. If the person is particularly stupid it may just be them not knowing how to do something (which itself may reflect a training issue, or not). If the person rarely complains and has well thought out criticism then it can be helpful.

      Even people who complain all the time *can* be useful. Ultimately it's everyones job to find problems and fix them or reduce their impact. But you need people who have some clue.

      If that means someone in management has to put up with a stream of minor complaints from each new starter for a while because it turns out that our management processes suck in a lot of silly little ways, then so be it.

      Absolutely, the gap though, between someone who is just immature, and someone who is a chronic complainer is hard to find, and if an employer has had a really bad experience in the past they tend to over compensate.

    29. Re:In summary by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      Some of this is cultural too. A bunch of my friends work for a company that is owned by israelis (we're not in israel) and when the israelis come here they occasionally yell at customers and complain to customers that they're not behaving properly. And these are big corporate customers, cable companies and ISPs and that sort of thing. You just don't do that here. Ever. But that's the way they do business in Israel. Here if a customer asks for something you cannot do, you politely tell him that you don't think it's reasonable for the budget available, or that you can't do it. You don't complain that he's being impossible to deal with.

    30. Re:In summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here I had the most rudest interview with someone at Apple a few years back but that's a good thing,
      after 2 mins into the call I knew I didn't want the job, and nowadays from having friends working at Apple I know
      I still don't.

    31. Re:In summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Agree with the other poster: capabilities vary a lot. In my experience, most of them don't do it very well. The first cellphone (in my experience anyway) that had a decent, workable speakerphone was the old Motorola Razr. Few have come even close to being as good since, but there are those few.

  6. ahh failure. by decora · · Score: 1

    it seems if the problem is stress, i would consider reaching out to a social support network and/or a counselor. i can only tell you that many people have survived much worse, and even discovered shards of happiness along the way. good luck.

  7. I had a skype interview (not with facebook) by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was horrendous. Not the best speaker at the best of times, it was a total flop over video. The format made it hard to read body language and get a feel for where the interview was going, the lag made it a PITA with people talking over each other and also made it hard to read how the discussion was going. In the end, though I was well qualified for the position, I realized I had not made a single good case for why they should hire me. Naturally, I didn't get a call back and I couldn't blame them. I would avoid doing it again in future if at all possible.

    1. Re:I had a skype interview (not with facebook) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I've done two Skype interviews, both were epic disasters. At this point, I will categorically deny a Skype interview as exercises in time-wasteage. Maybe good for some lonely cubicle dweller desperate to talk to real people, but if the job requires taking time-wasting to this whole new level, then it's not for me.

    2. Re:I had a skype interview (not with facebook) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess it depends on the format and the candidate. Sometimes Skype can be VERY effective.

      Was on a Skype selection committee with a candidate that got extremely passive-aggressive both in answers and body-language when we gently indicated that we were over-time (the individual gave very slow, unfocused answers to our questions, and even with a generous buffer between candidates, we were right up against the next interview).

      The selection committee was pretty shocked - once we disconnected, the entire committee commented on how awful it would have been to hire this person to work in a team environment.

      Bullet dodged.

      So while it's not always useful, it's definitely better than a phone call when unable to fly a candidate in for an interview.

    3. Re:I had a skype interview (not with facebook) by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      But there has to be a *better* option than Skype.. say ooVoo or Google Talk or something. Skype just seems to have too many issues anymore

  8. Typical n00b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    from the rant:
    "I've been using the best Internet connection available -- the wired LAN at the Israel Institute of Technology. (To give an impression of its network infrastructure: the Institute had been allocated two of the handful Israeli class-B IP ranges.) On the day of the interview, I've made a test call to a friend in Israel (some 120km away from the Institute), to confirm that the call quality is perfect. Nevertheless, when the interviewer called me, I couldn't hear him properly"

    Does he have any idea how the internet works? Just because you have a good connection to another part of the country does not mean you get good connection to the rest of the world.

    1. Re:Typical n00b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, for someone who wants to talk the talk of network engineering, he really doesn't have a tiny clue of how it actually works. None of that is America specific either.

    2. Re:Typical n00b by jandrese · · Score: 2

      That part sounded to me like someone who doesn't know much about networking trying to sound cool. The size of your network allocation has nothing to do with how well you can get bits halfway around the world.

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    3. Re:Typical n00b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly since the acquisition (Microsoft) Skype actually run ALL the supernodes in geographically diverse data centers so you're never stuck on some torrenters oversaturated DSL

    4. Re:Typical n00b by rnturn · · Score: 1

      Uh... turn that around and ask "Does the person at HR who wants to use Skype for interviews know how the internet works?" Just because the someone in HR was able to use Skype with another HR employee down the hall and, since it worked fine over the corporate LAN, figures it'll work fine for everyone is just asinine. I've seen web developers do just that and then wonder why remote users on the sales team (you know... the folks who make the company money) complain that the app is awful. Now the HR types are at it. Sorry but seeing Oprah interview celebrities using Skype doesn't make it commonplace or even possible for many, if not most, people.

      I can totally understand the applicant's frustration when something that is completely out of his control results in their not getting a job. Even worse when it's someone who might not have the finances available to invest in state-of-art networking and video just to get interviews. Just because some HR type saw something on TV or in a movie and figures it must be commonplace and so affordable that even new graduates or unemployed will have it.

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  9. Ludicrous expectations by carlivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think this guy understands much about how corporate networking works. If he's a developer, I suppose he doesn't need to, but maybe he could check into details before writing:

    "isn't it worthwhile for Facebook recruiting to prepare for such a case, and make the interviewer able to switch to a different Facebook IP range, to give Skype routing a second chance?"

    Yeah, um, I don't know of *any* company that would set up their HR staff for such a scenario. And this interviewee doesn't seem to understand how Internet routing works. Assuming the particular Facebook HR office is BGP multi-homed, the Facebook NetOps staff would have to determine what IP address the interviewee is connecting with and then modify BGP local-preference for that AS number to use a different ISP outbound. Or, have two networks with different outbound ISPs available at every desk with staff trained to switch between them.

    It would be utterly ludicrous to do something like this for an interview.

    What's surprising is they didn't try another option like Google Hangouts. Perhaps as a Facebook competitor, it isn't an option. Did the interviewee not have a speakerphone? He mentions being unable to both type and talk... I think they solved that problem in the 1980's.

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    1. Re:Ludicrous expectations by ktappe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      >I don't know of *any* company that would set up their HR staff for such a scenario.

      Then they shouldn't use Skype, period. Skype is so notoriously unreliable, that for FB to not have a plan to reconnect a bad Skype connection is absolutely unprofessional.

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    2. Re:Ludicrous expectations by discord5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And this interviewee doesn't seem to understand how Internet routing works.

      But it's a university with two class Bs... Don't you get it? They're fucking PRO there in Israel. (pardon my french). Don't bother with that BGP stuff, he obviously doesn't know what it is, nor why Facebook isn't going to bend over backwards to accomodate him.

      Did the interviewee not have a speakerphone? He mentions being unable to both type and talk... I think they solved that problem in the 1980's.

      The speakerphone would've picked up the "Whaa Whaa Whaa" from the whaaaaambulance on his blog.

      Don't get me wrong, but the following passage was telling:

      My interview was finally scheduled three weekdays in advance, leaving me in fact one day to prepare, because I've already had plans for the other weekday and the weekend.

      Why didn't he prepare in advance? If he knew it was coming any time soon, why not brush up on it in advance? Why wait until the company says "Well, next week" and bitch about having to cancel his plans, which he eventually doesn't do.

      So allow me to simply summarize the entire blog in an all too familiar onomatope: Waaaaaaah

    3. Re:Ludicrous expectations by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      "isn't it worthwhile for Facebook recruiting to prepare for such a case, and make the interviewer able to switch to a different Facebook IP range, to give Skype routing a second chance?"

      Yeah, um, I don't know of *any* company that would set up their HR staff for such a scenario. And this interviewee doesn't seem to understand how Internet routing works.

      Ah, yes, an elaborate, yet effective, ruse. Not always the best of interview strategies, but anyone can memorize a zen koan or simple code writing exercise. How many can stay unfrustrated while they become a skype super-node mid interview? I wonder how much MS charges for the new clandestine screening process feature? I'm impressed.

    4. Re:Ludicrous expectations by Altus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given all that potential difficulties why would a company like Facebook, which lives and dies on the Internet and surely understands its complexity, use something as unreliable as Skype for an interview?

      I use phones, in fact I set up a land line just for my last job search so that this would not be an issue. The reliance on Skype for something like this is a poor choice.

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    5. Re:Ludicrous expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been interviewed by Facebook, and they asked me to choose between a phone and skype.
      I picked the phone at first, but the call was terrible, and we decided to switch to skype halfway the interview, which was much better.
      Anyway, he would probably have had the option if he had asked =)

    6. Re:Ludicrous expectations by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they were a week late to a 3 month interview. If I were having a CS test 3 months out, I'd "study" spread out over that time to be ready on the day. Usually a few days delay would be more a benefit than hindrance. He sounded like he wasn't going to take any effort until he had a firm date. With that level of inflexibility, I think Facebook is better off without him.

    7. Re:Ludicrous expectations by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      I find the fact Facebook chooses either Skype or Phone as extremely funny, only because of:
      https://www.facebook.com/videocalling/

    8. Re:Ludicrous expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given all that potential difficulties why would a company like Facebook, which lives and dies on the Internet and surely understands its complexity, use something as unreliable as Skype for an interview?

      In a word: Money.

      It is cheaper to use skype than to place a long distance or international call.

    9. Re:Ludicrous expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they shouldn't use Skype, period. Skype is so notoriously unreliable, that for FB to not have a plan to reconnect a bad Skype connection is absolutely unprofessional.

      What probably happened, as I have seen at many companies, is that they asked IT for a solution and IT came back with some number that was (in their mind) way too large. They decided to try and cobble together a solution using consumer grade tools that they know and it resulted in an utter failure. The people coordinating this stuff decided that since skype works well for the calls to their grandma, it would work fine for interviewing. They then blame IT or the applicant for one reason or another, because it could not possibly be their fault.

    10. Re:Ludicrous expectations by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 2

      Or better off with him.

      I can't think of another company (besides Oracle maybe) that so richly deserves such quality candidates. Especially ones whose Internet dials go all the way to eleven.

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  10. wow think a bit highly? by Frosty-B-Bad · · Score: 1

    You think an hr rep knows and has access to a second set of ip's to route Skype calls? On top of that you obviously were being interviewed for an entry position and were disappointed they didn't ask you harder stuff? Sorry Stephen hawking maybe next time they will purchase a solo oc3 to route your interview across the world on and ask you quantum computing questions. I could only imagine what working with you on a team would be like.

  11. Somehow I find it hard to be sympathetic by Su27K · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Especially the part about preparation, why should the company give you time to prepare an interview? If I were the company, I want to see the real you, not you with a month of preparation.

    1. Re:Somehow I find it hard to be sympathetic by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      Because youve been told it is an "exam", and usually you prepare for exams.

  12. Yawn by Rurik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was confused in reading the write-up. If the interview was scheduled three months in advance, why did he say that he only had one day to prepare for the "CS" style interview? Where did this "December Interview Preparation Tips" come from? Only partial bits of data are given, none of which support the poster's side of the story.

    And what phone were you using that didn't have speaker phone capabilities? Nearly all land line phones do that, as well as all mobile phones. Skype crap happens all the time, even on perfect connections. You roll with it. And, if you can't, then you'll likely have problems in a technology company.

    In summary, this reads as: "HR department had too many applicants and I slipped between the cracks for scheduling, then I bombed my interview but it really wasn't my fault. Really!"

    1. Re:Yawn by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Also, submitter apparently doesn't have a shoulder to pinch the phone to his ear with.

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    2. Re:Yawn by number11 · · Score: 1

      And what phone were you using that didn't have speaker phone capabilities? Nearly all land line phones do that, as well as all mobile phones.

      Huh? None of mine do, and damn few of the others that I am familiar with, especially outside of businesses. Mobile phones, yeah, but that assumes you can do a Skype call with a computer link from a mobile phone. Can everybody interface their desktop/laptop with their smartphone? (I wouldn't know, I've got a dumbphone.)

      The rest of your comments, however, are right on.

    3. Re:Yawn by Volastic · · Score: 1

      I was confused in reading the write-up. If the interview was scheduled three months in advance, why did he say that he only had one day to prepare for the "CS" style interview? Where did this "December Interview Preparation Tips" come from? Only partial bits of data are given, none of which support the poster's side of the story.

      I agree, most of the article was about or referenced the schedulding of the interview, then he whined about the date given

      A good two and half months notice, he didn't have the forsight to prepare for the interview, mentally or physically (have a headset available)

      I figure the Unnamed Coward author's 15 minutes are due to /.'s dislike of facebook

    4. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a desk phone replace it with this:

      http://www.hardwarejet.com/nortel-networks/telecom-telephone/nt2n18aa13.html

      The speakerphone is the clearest I've heard, the plastics are top of the line, the buttons have good tactile feel, in fact everything works as well as you could want. Using other office phones after this one is like using cheap shampoo after you've found the brand you like - it may get the job done but it makes you feel dirty.

      Nortel doesn't make them anymore, some employees bought the designs and started a company around them (Aastra), but the Aastra ones use what seem to be cheaper plastics. You want a refurbished Nortel one.

    5. Re:Yawn by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      You are a bit confused. You're mixing up the Skype call and the Phone call into one weird mess.

      Pretty much the Skype connection sucked too bad, so they instead switched to a regular phone call:

      "We had to resort to phone conversation, which had to be interrupted when I needed both hands to type my code -- meaning I could get no feedback, whatsoever, from the interviewer during the code exercise, nor could I explain my code as I typed it. "

      As the quote you replied to, "And what phone were you using that didn't have speaker phone capabilities? Nearly all land line phones do that, as well as all mobile phones.", was merely stating that nearly all land line phones (most being cordless anymore) and mobile phones have speaker phones options (which is completely true.. if you have a cordless phone take a look and you'll most likely find the speaker phone option).

      No where in there is any need for Skype from a mobile phone.

      I don't understand how that could get so confusing for someone... ?

    6. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You serious?

      Just about every recent landline wireless phone has a speakerphone. Here in Australia, you can pick up a two pack of wireless phone handsets (DECT or 5 ghz, your choice) which *both* have speakerphone built in for about AUD$60-80.

      http://www.jbhifi.com.au/phones/cordless-home-phone/uniden/dect-digital-technology-cordless-phone-sku-74499/

      The second-hand pair of Panasonic landline wireless handsets my parents were given 3 years ago (when they were already about 2 years old) had speakerphone. If this institute is really the uber-pro technology shiznit, then you'd think putting in some low end consumer quality phones on their landlines wouldn't be too much to ask? After all, they've got TWO CLASS Bs!!!

  13. He wasn't prepared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The HR rep told him in October that his interview would be in December and he procrastinated prepping until he knew the exact date. Yet he bitches about not having enough time to prepare? Also, I don't understand why he couldn't type and talk at the same time if they ended up having to use a phone call for audio. All cell phones have a speaker phone function and if he was using a landline he could've held the phone to his ear with his shoulder.

    His whole blog post is just a giant whine-fest. If he can't handle the stress of the unknowns in an interview then how can he expect to handle the stress of working at a fast-paced company like Facebook?

    1. Re:He wasn't prepared by St.Creed · · Score: 2

      Yup. Sounds like facebook had a working stress test and this guy failed it spectacularly :)

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  14. Why is this news? by ark1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many share their good and bad interview experiences with {Google, FB, MS, Apple etc} on a daily base. Why is this one getting any extra attention?

    1. Re:Why is this news? by Corbets · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many share their good and bad interview experiences with {Google, FB, MS, Apple etc} on a daily base. Why is this one getting any extra attention?

      Because Slashdot figured out years ago that in order to monetize the use base, they needed to keep people coming back as often as possible, and in order to do that they need stories.

      Unfortunately, most of the original and competent editors are long gone, and the current batch of editors posts pretty much anything they receive (additionally, many digg-level intellects now have accounts here to vote on the firehose, perpetuating the editors' mistaken belief that we want this crap).

    2. Re:Why is this news? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Because it's Facebook - always a good candidate for a Two Minute Hate.

  15. there's nothing novel here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Folks conducting interviews at large as well as small companies are simply sitting at their desks, using the phone and computing resources available to them. I haven't worked at a company yet (including at the largest networking company on the planet) where I had any control over the IP range I happen to be on the network on, short of physically relocating to another building, and even that is unlikely to make any real difference unless the buildings are geographically distant from each other. The scheduling thing is annoying, but that's simply incompetence by a single person and hardly reflective of corporate policy. In fact, it's about par for the course when it comes to HR personnel, if you ask me. As for preparation - that whole screed appears to just be coming from someone who has never been through a job interview before. In fact, the entire essay seems much more the griping of someone who has no experience interviewing for a job than any kind of list of fixable complaints.

  16. First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 1

    Uhm, someone tell me -why- anyone would want to work for Facebook? I mean besides desperation.

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    1. Re:First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not? Good pay, good benefits, getting to work alongside some of the most capable people in the industry.. these are thing that come to mind.

      If I weren't so happy where I was, I'd apply.

    2. Re:First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by malloc · · Score: 1

      Evil forces attract?

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    3. Re:First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      access to private pics.

    4. Re:First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why I work, an essay.

      I like food.

        The End.

    5. Re:First Mistake: -Wanting- to work for Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like food.

      And hookers! And blackjack!

  17. I recommend Toastmasters by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you have difficulty expressing yourself in front of others for whatever reason (stage fright, for instance) consider joining Toastmasters.

    It's a club for people who want to learn to speak in front of an audience. It's got branch clubs all over the world, so there's probably one near you. They meet twice a month (more or less - depending on the club) and have a nominal yearly dues.

    After about two years of going you start to "get the hang of it" and become more relaxed and fluent when talking to groups.

    If you think you might get a Skype interview and if you have trouble with presentations, you should check them out.

    1. Re:I recommend Toastmasters by Manfre · · Score: 2

      Some free opportunities for public speaking and talking with strangers (without being the crazy person bothering people on the street)

      - Go to a local town government meeting and talk about something during the public speaks out portion.
      - Volunteer to help out at some local event.
      - Join meetup groups with events that involve "show & tell" or "lightning talks"
      - Go to a flea market or farmer's market and have a conversation with the vendors about the products they're selling.

    2. Re:I recommend Toastmasters by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2

      +1 to this, I was the president of the local chapter at my school for a while, and it's really a great experience to at least give a few speeches, even if you don't ascend though all their speeches. I don't know if this is applicable to every chapter, but the impromptu speeches we had near the end of our meetings were another awesome experience, and they're only about a minute long on a topic drawn at random. I'd say these are probably the single best source of experience in getting out in front of a crowd and going for it, even moreso than the prewritten speeches, even though they teach somewhat different skills.

  18. Whine harder by jgritty · · Score: 1, Informative

    That was a pointless write up. I'm sure Facebook will be fine without this guy. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn.

  19. facebook sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yup :)

  20. appears deteriorating into disorderly jumble by Goody · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's how I would describe the summary for this article. Does anyone interview candidate Slashdot editors before offering them jobs?

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    1. Re:appears deteriorating into disorderly jumble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently not - otherwise they wouldn't be misusing the word excrutiation.

    2. Re:appears deteriorating into disorderly jumble by echucker · · Score: 1

      It sounds like the FB interviewee who wrote TFA might be an exceptional candidate for a /. editor

  21. Oh dearie me, how sad never mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complete and utter piffle.

  22. Gotta be Honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was relieved when I saw everyone else bashing this guy with the same things I was thinking as I read the piece.

    I bombed an interview once, because I am lazy and I procrastinated in preparing for the interview, when the time came, i was so worried about not giving good answers that I just made myself look considerably less intelligent than I probably am. I learned a great deal form that interview and have not repeated the scenario since. Live and learn, take some responsibility too, it won't kill you.

    being a whiny bitch will get you blacklisted though

  23. Face it, dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook just isn't that into you.

  24. maybe this is deliberate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The vast majority of coding/development jobs don't rely on your CS skills, but, rather, on your ability to cobble together something that kind of works, in the face of incomplete documents, interruptions from others, and always fluctuating schedules and constraints.. hey, just like the interview he reported..

  25. The first conversation by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    It started out like this

    Recruiter sitting at his desk with his head in his hands and a half-empty bottle of cheap Scotch nearby, just waiting for the axe to come down. The phone rings. He picks it up to stop the noise and
        "Hello, Facebook recruiting. I think you have the wrong number."

        "No, I'm looking for a job at Facebook."

        "Hey, that's great, my first one since...uhh you do know Facebook already had the IPO, right? I tried not telling people that but the boss got mad."

    And it was all downhill from there.

  26. So this is what passes for enlightened geek news.. by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A whiny Israeli blogs that he doesn't like the way Facebook interviewed him. I'm going to bed.

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  27. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I recently went through a few rounds of FB phone interviews, and I think the poster's complaints are just sour grapes.

    I got a cold call from a recruiter a few months ago for a position that fit my qualifications well. Although happily employed I decided to respond on a whim. I had a long chat with the recruiter to explain the position and recap my resume. We scheduled a phone interview with members of the team, and the recruiter was more than happy to coordinate a mutually convenient time for the call within the next week.

    I prepared for the interview by going over some material that the recruiter had sent me, finding a private place to take the call, and nothing more. I'm not going to go into any real detail on the content except to say that it didn't seem focused on technical depth and instead lightly touched on the skills relevant to the position. I asked a few questions to get a feel for the unwritten expectations of the position (ex. "work-life balance" stuff, travel, etc) and to suss out how the employees felt about working there. On the last note I can say that the people there are given the special Kool-Aid in their lavish break rooms, are really good at transrectal vapor delivery, or truly enjoy Facebook.

    At no point in time did I have any call quality issues.

    The call must have gone well as the recruiter called me a few hours after it was over to schedule a second round. Again they were flexible in scheduling. Although promised a more technical set of questions this too had an unnervingly light technical skills focus. I was able to get a better picture of the environment this time: employees typically own their projects, not much mentorship, more focus on whizzy features than the bottom line, a moderate level of empire building. Not sure if it was just this team or the company as a whole, but I got the feeling that the managers were rarely advocates for their employees. No sound problems on this call though.

    The recruiter once more called soon after, this time to set up travel for an on-site. I declined, partially because I found the differences between what I'd experienced and what I'd heard about the rigors of Facebook interviews to be unsettling, part because I'm not fond of their product and practices, but mostly for a lack of a compelling reason to take the job.

    Having said all that, YMMV. A position elsewhere in the organization might result in a totally different interview experience. As for the poster's experience, I'm confident he didn't do well on the interview and so blames it on call quality, a misleading howto, and scheduling. If I was told to hold off a few months for a phone interview, I'd decline on the spot to keep from wasting my own time as it should be obvious that the position is oversaturated with applicants.

  28. gonna file this under "1st world problems" by miniMUNCH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone had to spend time emailing, calling, and skyping to interview for job? I think I might cry...

    1. Re:gonna file this under "1st world problems" by lucm · · Score: 1, Troll

      Someone had to spend time emailing, calling, and skyping to interview for job? I think I might cry...

      +1. They could rename this post: how Facebook dodged a bullet and avoided hiring a wuss.

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    2. Re:gonna file this under "1st world problems" by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      how Facebook dodged a bullet and avoided hiring a wuss.

      Have you heard the idealistic crap that spews out of that place? I'd say it's a bit too late for them to avoid hiring wusses. If people weren't so damned ignorant about what Facebook is doing or had at least some inkling of what a company like Facebook could do with the results of continuous surveillance of their lives, they'd quit using it. Indeed, I sometimes wish that someone would hurry up and dox those people at Facebook who continue to insist that privacy as a concept, theirs excepted of course, is outdated or dead.

    3. Re:gonna file this under "1st world problems" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for the Anonymous reference. Dox 'em, hahaha!

  29. facebook.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if they let him know how he went by setting his facebook status to "unemployed little whiner".

  30. Prep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to prepare for an interview? Weak.

    1. Re:Prep? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      You should at least build some awareness of the company and its customers. Buy a Happy Meal and stop to chat a while with your prospective colleagues.

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  31. 3 months by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    "Do you expect all these timeslots to remain reserved for the three months, until the interview is finally scheduled? To me, this seems ridiculous -- "

    why not, my dentist and doctors have no issue asking that question, and once I settle on a date I usually plan around it.

    Gee maybe, just maybe, time management and planning a schedule months in advance MIGHT be a job requirement for any form of development?

  32. Lame excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An astute candidate would have a headset, and Sipura to connect to PSTN if needed, and a few more clues.

  33. Circle Jerk Interview Processes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are a few companies out there that are notorious for long drawn out interview processes. Recently I was interviewing with Amazon for nearly three months. I finally just withdrew, my sole mission in life does not revolve around having to score a job at Amazon they are just not that interesting. Obviously nobody good is going to be in the market more than a week or two. I can only assume based on this that the employees there would be average at best, or had a unhealthy lifelong mission to score a job at Amazon.

    1. Re:Circle Jerk Interview Processes by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Both Amazon and Google led me around by the nose for a month or two (Amazon was the worse) during the interview process, constantly coming up with new people I had to interview with, most of whom were completely unrelated to the job I was trying to get. Facebook, incidentally, was much more straightforward. I ended up not going to any of the big companies, though.

      --
      There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
    2. Re:Circle Jerk Interview Processes by sodul · · Score: 1

      The worse I had was probably Apple (before the iPod got popular) where I waited for month, but I would have been a junior for the position at the time. I think it took just a few weeks overall with Google, but for a job title with high demand and few candidates (yes I was hired). As for Amazon ... I got an offer under 24h from initial contact with the hiring manager (I turned it down and stayed where I was). On average I would say what I've had typically is technical phone screen within a week from the initial contact, first on site interview a week later, and second one the following week, with an offer days later. Easily under 1 month for the whole process.

      My own experience is that if it is not happening quickly, then you are not the perfect fit and they would hire you only because they could not find anyone better matching their checklist. You are going to be much better off somewhere where they really want *you*. I've also had the opposite where they wanted me too much: the technical level of the interviewers is so low that I would have been an instant rockstar, but I did not want to be surrounded by mostly subpar coworkers (such places do not do well).

  34. Why jump through hoops? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Like most people here, I feel this guy comes across as a bit of a petty whiner, and far too submissive.

    They want a date in December? Well, I could give a date in March I'll be free. March 13th will be fine. If they don't like it they're free to suggest another day. If there's no response in a week, that's when you respond. Not after almost a month! Demand confirmation of the time then. If they come back with an inconvenient time and don't offer any flexibility, then facebook fails the interview

    If you feel the need to prepare, then prepare. Are you really going to forget everything you've prepared after a week?

    Then the connection. Well, that's a fairly reasonable complaint, I guess. Not really sure it's facebook's fault.

    I do agree that facebook has a poor interview process. But why did he feel such a need to work for them? There are other companies. I presume he's employed since he wasn't desperately looking for other jobs at the time.

  35. Re:HAVE fun STORMING the CASTLE!!! by Grumpinuts · · Score: 1

    Go to bed...FFS

  36. couldn't organise a phone interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My experience was that they couldn't organise a phone interview worth a damn.

    If their internal organisation was that fucked up, what was the chance the rest of the company was working better or better structured?

    Close to 0.

    facebook fail.

  37. HR is a waste of space by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 1

    I totally agree with some of the people here, HR is definitely a waste of 'resources' as they like to say. I would rather hire a freelance engineer or whatever is the specific field and have him select people, much wiser and more pleasant experience than being 'recruited' by some fat ass wanna be important waste of space. EOR

  38. Meanwhile in Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harden the fuck up

  39. Well... by msauve · · Score: 1

    If you want to work for the devil, you have to expect the devil in the details.

    --
    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
  40. Not just facebook by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    HR is the biggest mistake in the history of any company. HR puts up walls, processes, systems and rules that make running / entering a company a logic puzzle of confusion.

    Productive HR should be run by the managers / directors of the company and no one else, who better knows how to hire an employee then the director of that division!

    HR on the other hand likes to scan, read and prcoess resumes and in 90% of all cases they have no idea what anything in the resume means. For instance I know most HR personal don't know what the IEEE is. Now you would think that the HR of an engineering company might understand the name of the biggest engineering group in the world. They also don't understand keywords like FPGA ,VHDL, Matlab etc... Basically HR is a big department who's sole job is to spin tires in mud and progress no where well pissing off the rest of the company.

    1. Re:Not just facebook by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      HR on the other hand likes to scan, read and prcoess resumes and in 90% of all cases they have no idea what anything in the resume means. For instance I know most HR personal don't know what the IEEE is. Now you would think that the HR of an engineering company might understand the name of the biggest engineering group in the world. They also don't understand keywords like FPGA ,VHDL, Matlab etc... Basically HR is a big department who's sole job is to spin tires in mud and progress no where well pissing off the rest of the company.

      Yea, but I bet they know how to use words like "personnel", "whose" and "while".

  41. Grammar? by Fuzi719 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the grammar and sentence structure used in the blog post is indicative of that used during the application and interview process? It hurt my mind to read that hot mess.

  42. ~Someone~ got "the job" by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 1

    because HR will be HR

    --
    Sent from my ENIAC
  43. HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boohoo. I've had worse. Showing up to appointments that the HR knew nothing about. Having interviews where the interviewer forgot the appointment and ended up making as ass of himself asking nonsense question resulting in a failed interview. The list goes on.

  44. Standard HR practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They seem no worse that any other HR department I have dealt with. Facebook HR has all the usual traits, lazy, sloppy, arrogant and dishonest.

  45. Why would they hire this man? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    Human Resources is not usually a leadership group: they're following practices set forth by the company's management. If they're scheduling events 3 months in advance without an actual date, and setting the date in the last week at their own convenience and not the convenience of the job candidate, that means the problem is a policy one above the pay grade of the individual HR person. A job interview is always a two way process: let this be a strong hint that you'd be merely a cog in a very big machine.

    The different nature of the exam than what this candidate expected should not have been a surprise. Concluding the nature of an interview from how far ahead it was scheduled is the sort of extrapolation without data that will waste everyone's time, socially and in programming. Someone who'd been through a few technical interviews would know that such interviews very widely, would do their "due diligence", and find out the nature of the exam in advance. That's why "LinkedIn" is very useful for, both ways: to examine a company through employees whose candid opinions might be helpful, and to get other references about an employee. These references are vital, and can give information that HR or a company brochure would _never_ provide, or might never think to ask for.

    One of the best candidates I interviewed had been mishandled by our own HR: poor scheduling and insensitivity to the candidate's needs for confidentiality had almost cost them their current job. (We had VP approval at their current company to interview the candidate, because the department was being closed: but the candidate's supervisor hadn't been told yet. It was a strange situation.) When that candidate arrived, they were very upset. They and I spent almost the whole interview going over how to arrange layers of access to information in _our_ systems, to allow HR to do their jobs but to protect them and us from similar confusion and from possible lawsuits about gender, age, or medical conditions. They came away with the realization that we'd screwed up, but wouldn't repeat the problem, and that we actually _did_ try to treat our employees based on skill, and to treat employees as people. And we saw that they took bad situations as problems to resolve, rather than as personal insults.

    We didn't hire them. (They got an internal company transfer, much to their benefit.) But they've worked with us on some projects since then to both our benefit.

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  47. Author does have a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While many might not agree 100% with the author, my experience with Silicon Valley companies is similar. About 6 months ago I relocated to the US west coast and applied to about 3 dozen companies of all sizes. Not hearing anything for about a month, I started questioning whether something was wrong. Then slowly I started getting call backs. After the initial phone screen, I was scheduled for first round phone interviews. 50% were late calling me on the day of the interview, 25% didn't call at all requiring me to chase people down, and 25% called me on the wrong day. Not one phone interview kicked off on time. Things got no better on the live interviews. Scheduling time with HR was like a throwback to the Soviet Union in the 1980s. When I did meet face to face with folks, mentioning the HR process led to eyerolls and stories of "the one that got away" due to HR not getting in touch with candidates.

    I eventually did find and awesome company to settle into and as a hiring manager, deal with the awful bureaucracy as an insider. I have lost several good candidates and often curse HR for being an obstacle. I am still getting calls from the companies I applied to nearly half a year ago asking when I was available to interview.

  48. Crybaby by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was all eager to read the article and nod in disgust at Facebook's incompetence, but after reading a bit, I have to say, "Grow up, crybaby!"

    Do you have many candidates that know three months in advance their available timeslots? Do you expect all these timeslots to remain reserved for the three months, until the interview is finally scheduled?

    Boo hoo hoo! It's called living life as an adult. Sorry you're used to not having to plan future commitments. If the interview is so important, keep your day open, kid!

    My interview was finally scheduled three weekdays in advance, leaving me in fact one day to prepare, because I've already had plans for the other weekday and the weekend. Do you have many candidates who can prepare for a CS exam in one day? Or do you expect them to be ready to abandon their plans at zero notice?

    Boo hoo hoo! If preparing for the interview is so important to you, cancel your precious "plans". How is their HR supposed to know you have a keg stand to appear at over the weekend?

    In the one day that I've had available, I've been reading up like mad, and still obviously I couldn't prepare as well as I'd like to. The feeling of coming to a CS exam unprepared builds up the lack of confidence during the interview, and contributes to the stress -- as if the stress from the important interview itself wasn't enough.

    Boo hoo hoo! I don't know my shit like I should, so I'm going to have to "cram" instead and try to sound smarter than I am! This is really stressful and hurts my feelings!!

    Then comes the punch: the coding exercise during my interview didn’t involve any intricate algorithms or data structures, none at all, just robust coding. Exhausted and stressed by the rushed preparation, turning out useless, I was so perplexed -- as if I’ve not only come to an exam unprepared, but after all to a wrong exam.

    Boo hoo hoo! I couldn't guess what my interviewer would ask me, which is sooooo unfair, and I wasted a lot of time trying to fool them!

    1. Re:Crybaby by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Boo hoo hoo! I don't have mod points for you, which is a shame as your post cuts right through the shit.

      This attitude is precisely why I won't bother with the kids any more. I don't know how old the author is but he's behaving pretty childishly.
      I find myself hiring people in their mid-thirties or older; the under-thirties are simply too fucking entitled.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  49. Facebook didn't press his Like button by PNutts · · Score: 1

    Sorry Zohan, go drown your sorrows in a Fizzy Bubblech. Also, FB requires your real name so please no more Scrappy Coco accounts.

    Sincerely,
    The Phantom, Sr. Hiring Manager, HR

  50. Similar experience (not Facebook) by TekJannsen · · Score: 1

    Not surprisingly, I believe this is a common issue with companies whose HR departments are overloaded with applicants. I had a similar HR experience when applying to Riot Games. I'd passed the initial online assessment they use to presumably establish you are minimally educated, then received an email from the recruiter with a potential phone screen date. I promptly replied back, but didn't receive any confirmation until a couple days later, but only after I sent a follow up email. Also unusual were the times she was sending me emails - anywhere between 8pm to midnight.

    The phone screen was equally unusual. She called me several minutes late, then gave forewarning that she would likely have to cut the phone screen short and complete the remainder at a later time because she needed to deal with another candidate who got lost coming into the office. Sure enough, she discontinued after about 10 minutes, and called back about 20 minutes later to finish the phone screen.

    After the phone screen, she estimated that I would likely hear back from them by next week whether I would move to the next phone screen. I waited until the end week and sent a follow up email, and when she finally emailed me back, it had sounded like she completely forgot to pass my resume along altogether! She apologized for the delay and assured me she would get back to me soon after personally following up with the relevant hiring managers. Not surprisingly, I didn't hear back from her, so I waited a few more days and then gave her a call. I was as cordial and polite as could possibly be, but she didn't sound very happy to hear from me and promised she'd contact me soon, which never happened.

    Needless to say, this was the most unusual hiring experience I've ever been through, and my initial enthusiasm has dampened significantly. I honestly would have preferred if the process ran smoothly and I was fairly certain I didn't get the job, but it has been confusing and frustrating at every step in the process.

  51. Call the wahaaaamulance by delirium28 · · Score: 1

    Wow. This guy reminds me of an intern that we tried to hire a few companies ago. Smart kid, finally finished school and the decided that the world owed "him". He tried to get us to change our benefit policy to suit his needs more amongst other demands. Needless to say we passed on him. Seems he had a hard time finding a job for a few months as well...

    Seriously, Facebook does not work for you and with the popularity of Facebook this type of behaviour is not unheard of. I have worked at places where it has taken up to 6 months to hire a person due to the interviews, background checks, etc. Recruiters often have hundreds of positions on the go, so expecting personalized attention for each candidate is unlikely unless it is for a high profile position. Oh, and they didn't stick to your schedule? So sorry! Sometimes things don't work out, and both sides have to be flexible. Also expecting Facebook to be flexible when they gave you three months to create an opening is asinine!

    While I am tempted to go after him for the BS he felt regarding not being prepared because they changed the interview schedule, etc, I can only hope that Facebook reads his post and puts him on a DNH (do not hire) list. Such high expectations for a simple development position at a large organization like Facebook is insane. This is a classic example of why IT people are viewed as either basement dwellers, anti-social individuals or people who are tripping over their own egos. Come on, it is a development job at a big name company. We have seen hundreds of these stories, both good and bad, over the years from a bunch of other orgs.

    So you had a bad interview. Most of us have had at least one in our careers. Get over it. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Oh and dear Slashdot editors? C'mon, we really do expect better.

    --
    Who is John Galt?
  52. 'CruTcHy' = a pot calling a kettle black fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crutchy did you say this? "python relies on left indentation" here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126245 ?

    Ok - Then, where's yours here then http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41091833 ?

    * LMAO... see subject-line!

    APK

    P.S.=> Poor little 'CruTcHy' (lmao) - burnt by his own words and stupidity, as per his usual...

    ... apk

    1. Re:'CruTcHy' = a pot calling a kettle black fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much for crutchy's statement on std.s compliance in his post you replied to then.

  53. Re:So this is what passes for enlightened geek new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When has Slashdot ever been enlightened geek news? You come to Slashdot to hate on: (1) Micro$oft (2) Steve Jobs (3) the patent system. If you came to see anything else, you made a big mistake.

  54. "Pot calling a kettle black", 'CruTcHy'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

    2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

    3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

    4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

    5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

    6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

    7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

    8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

    9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

    10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

    11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

    12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob)...

    13.) 'CruTcHy' was asked to PROVE HIS WORDS that he is a professional programmer... did he? No. He had a "fit" instead (lol) - see here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505

    14.) 'CruTcHy' also likes to call others "homo" (clearly "projecting" his OWN 'StrAnGe-TasTes' (lol)) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41051811 (where he was obviously 'FruStRatEd' by all the defeats above vs. mys

  55. q: How many times more can 'CruTcHy' fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

    2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

    3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

    4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

    5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

    6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

    7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

    8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

    9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

    10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

    11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob ->

  56. This doofus is a prime example... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as to what is wrong with "kids" these days. Does he expect Facebook to just hand him a job? He sounds ridiculous.

    Hey kid... you want to know something - nobody owes you ANYTHING. If you want something you're going to have to reach out and take it.

    I guess all those trophies you got "just for trying" are at fault for your utterly ridiculous self-entitled behavior.

  57. Nobody should want to help this person! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's an enemy civilian:

    "I've been using the best Internet connection available -- the wired LAN at the Israel Institute of Technology. (To give an impression of its network infrastructure: the Institute had been allocated two of the handful Israeli class-B IP ranges.) On the day of the interview, I've made a test call to a friend in Israel (some 120km away from the Institute), to confirm that the call quality is perfect."

  58. Nothing but trouble... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    i'll laugh when Facebook goes out of business