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Death Valley Dethrones Impostor As Hottest Place On Earth

Hugh Pickens writes "Adam Nagourney reports that after a yearlong investigation a team of climate scientists announced that it is throwing out a reading of 136.4 degrees claimed by the city of Al Aziziyah, Libya on Sept. 13, 1922 making the 134-degree reading registered on July 10, 1913, at Greenland Ranch in Death Valley the official world record as the hottest place on earth. 'It's about time for science, but I think we all knew it was coming,' says Randy Banis. 'You don't underestimate Death Valley. Most of us enthusiasts are proud that the extremes that we have known about at Death Valley are indeed the most harsh on earth.' The final report by 13 climatologists appointed by the World Meteorological Organization, the climate agency of the United Nations, found five reasons to disqualify the Libya claim, including questionable instruments, an inexperienced observer who made the reading, and the fact that the reading was anomalous for that region and in the context of other temperatures reported in Libya that day. 'The more we looked at it, the more obvious it appeared to be an error,' says Christopher C. Burt, a meteorologist with Weather Underground who started the debate in a blog post in 2010."

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  1. What if... by filmorris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the temperature in Libya was in Celsius?

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    1. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not switching to celcius? Except for the US and Jamaica, the whole world has...
      http://i.imgur.com/ucOQh.jpg

    2. Re:What if... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not switching to celcius? Except for the US and Jamaica, the whole world has... http://i.imgur.com/ucOQh.jpg

      Liberia, Myanmar, and the U.S. actually. Jamaica uses Celcius for temperature (definitely when I was there in the 1980s and 1990s).

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    3. Re:What if... by XaN-ASMoDi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about Celsius or even kelvin? Most of the world preferably use these units, even here in the UK, home of the imperial system. Seriously, join the 20th century!

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    4. Re:What if... by i_ate_god · · Score: 2

      there, in the UK, where distance is still measured in that archaic unit, the "mile".

      Get with it UK, it's called KILOMETERS.

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    5. Re:What if... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

      Yes, because 136.4C (277.52F) is sooooo much more plausible.

    6. Re:What if... by NCG_Mike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, it's a bit odd here. Temperature in Celsius and distance in miles. People's height in feet & inches and weight in stones & pounds. It's even odder in a supermarket where we use both imperial and metric. You can buy cheese at the deli in either unit. Thank goodness we ditched the old coinage for a metric system. Mind you, it'd be more hip to say we used LSD as a currency :-)

    7. Re:What if... by boundary · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, they're called 'kilometres' unless you want to be associated with your southern neighbours. Depends how much of a snooty Canadian you are, I suppose.

    8. Re:What if... by boundary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of this dual measurement in shops (including the change from gallons to litres at the petrol pumps) came about as part of 'closer European ties' back in the 90s, IIRC. There were certain things the government wouldn't budge on, such as changing road signs to miles, and getting rid of the good old British pint glass.

    9. Re:What if... by jalet · · Score: 2

      Hmmmm... modern democracies !

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    10. Re:What if... by meerling · · Score: 4, Informative

      We are mostly water. As to "Fahrenheit is a scale based what is hot an cold to humans", what the $#@$% are you talking about?
      Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
      It goes over what how and why Fahrenheit set his temperature scale the way he did, and you know what, the human feelings had nothing to do with it, though the temperature of human blood was used for part of it. I find that kind of creepy, but a lot of people were obsessed about that kind of stuff in the early 1700s.

      So again, Fahrenheit isn't based on what a human might think is hot or cold, it's based on some arbitrary points and scaling by it's creator. For that matter, so is the Celsius scale, but in a lesser extent because it based the whole thing on a consistent set of arbitrary stuff. (The Freezing and boiling of water broken into 100 degrees.)

    11. Re:What if... by TedTschopp · · Score: 2

      The reason that the old system still holds is that it makes more sense to the people who are not scientists.

      100 degrees F = HOT!
      0 degrees F = COLD!
      1 inch = thumb
      1 foot = foot
      1 yard = 1 persons stride
      1 Rod = 1 oxe in length
      1 furlong = distance a oxe could plow without resting
      1 acre = amount of land an oxe can plow in one day
      1 mile = 8
      1 cup = 1 glass of liquid
      1 pint = beer
      1 quart = 2 beers
      1 gallon = drunk
      1 lbs = 1 Rock
      1 grain = 1 grain of sand

      I could go on, but basically the reason that its hard to do away with the Imperial systems.

      Plus the Metric system was a part of revolutionary France, and some of it has still to catch on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_time

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    12. Re:What if... by GreenTech11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, I'm not a scientist, and as such I know how much land an ox can plow in a day! How could the rest of the world be so silly? The only reason that the metric system hasn't been implemented in the US is laziness masquerading as self-entitlement "How dare you take this away from me! This is our history!" Hell, I'm a well educated person, and I had to google ox to find out exactly what one is in relation to a cow. (Trained for farm work apparently, often a castrated male)

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    13. Re:What if... by davydagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      metric makes more sense for those of us who aren't savant mathemeticians

      1 meter == fraction of the earths surface, just as much as a mans's stride as a yard, differs by 3 inches(76 mm). fuckoff.

      1 milliliter == 1 cubic centimeter

      1 gram == that same cc filled with water.

      0 Celsius - water friezes

      100 Celsius - water boils.

      as far as your beers go, you'd be much happier man drinking them liter size like they do in europe.

      no one uses oxen to plow fields anymore.

  2. Would it really kill the editors to put degrees F? by Alicat1194 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would it, really?

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  3. Conversion to Celsius by Twinbee · · Score: 5, Informative

    136.4 degrees is 58 degrees Celsius

    (courtesy of the program in my sig's link).

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    1. Re:Conversion to Celsius by seyfarth · · Score: 2

      Indeed 58 degrees is what is published in the report. It seems likely that the Libyan report was in integer Celsius degrees.

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    2. Re:Conversion to Celsius by Twinbee · · Score: 2

      I recently had a promotion where I offered cash for bugs just like the one you've pointed out. Do you have Paypal, and I'll send some to you ($15 for that one). If you find more, I'll happily pay more.

      I have over a thousand 'litmus' test sums, but I can't test every single possibility for obvious reasons.

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  4. Dead Heat by Titus+Andronicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There’s a short documentary film about this new (old) Death Valley record called Dead Heat: Overturning the World’s Hottest Temperature , from Wunderground in association with Mitchell Film Company.

  5. W00t! by 19061969 · · Score: 4, Funny

    W00t! USA! USA!

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  6. Slashdot Quote: by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    In response to the article about Death Valley, Slashdot generated this quote:

    It'll be just like Beggars' Canyon back home. -- Luke Skywalker

    Indeed, except all the womp rats are dead, and not even a moisture farmer can make a living there. You nerf herders have it easy...

  7. Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or even degrees C, which is what scientists use...

    Actually, the SI unit of temperature is the Kelvin.

  8. Re:Extreme! by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Funny

    And strangely you're proud of that. Weird.

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  9. Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well it's easier to convert from K to C than from K to F (or C to F). Anyway, any temperature should be postfixed with the unit, especially here on /..

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  10. Re:Sounds like most temperature data by XaN-ASMoDi · · Score: 2

    Most temperature data collected over the years should be disqualified for those and other various reasons including the data fabrication that is done by GISS, NOAA and others.

    For a number of articles on the topic that show the data fabrication see: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss.

    Showing graphs without the data to support them, and claim operations have been applied without specifying the operations is quite frankly horse shit. Back up your assertions or go away.

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  11. Dubious pride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Promotional leaflets that still boast of Death Valley as being merely the hottest place in the United States are being rewritten, and resort owners say they are girding for a crush of heat-seeking visitors come next summer. There is even talk of having an official 100-year celebration of the record-setting measurement next July.

    “It’s about time for science, but I think we all knew it was coming,” said Randy Banis, the editor of DeathValley.com, an online newsletter promoting the valley. “You don’t underestimate Death Valley. Most of us enthusiasts are proud that the extremes that we have known about at Death Valley are indeed the most harsh on earth.”

    This seems to me to be a really dumb thing to be proud of.

  12. Re:Extreme! by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 2

    I will see your Minnesota and raise you a Manitoba.

    Difference of 162F

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  13. Oh for pity's sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jesus H. M. F. Christ people!

    If it were 136.4 Kelvins it would NOT be anything like the hottest temperature recorded on Earth, in the great outdoors, we, humans, would consider it bitterly fucking cold. So unless you're not a human, or you're a moron, you're just splitting hairs. Ditto on the question of whether it's Celsius/Centigrade or Fahrenheit. If the outdoor temperature hits 136.4 or even 134 degrees C, referring to the ambient atmospheric temperature, without counting anywhere or any occasion when the temperature was higher as the result of something WE did, (like when we made the weather very hot in Dresden, Germany, or Hiroshima or Nagasaki in Japan, as a few examples that come readily to mind...) it would be hotter than anyone could handle just walking around. But it has been and currently is much hotter than that in many places on Earth, as I type this... such as inside geysers, and active volcanoes, for instance, to say nothing of the Earth's core.

    When someone speaks of or writes about the "hottest place on Earth"... IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE TEMPERATURE AS NATURALLY OCCURS DUE TO ROUTINE NATURAL EFFECTS OF SUN AND WIND AND RAIN, ETC. IT SHOULD BE LIKEWISE UNDERSTOOD, EXCEPT PERHAPS BY A BUNCH OF SMARTASSES, that when that temperature is 134 degrees, THAT IT'S IN FUCKING FAHRENHEIT!

    Quit being a bunch of assholes, you know it's Fahrenheit, I know it's Fahrenheit, and was it lazy not to add the letter F? Yes. Was it worth all of you having an argument about? Jesus Tap Dancing, Tittiefucking Christ, NO.

    You guys will argue about literally anything, won't you!?!

  14. Re:Record in Death Valley is bullshit by leuk_he · · Score: 3, Funny

    That hot temperatures are never published. It would drive all the toerists away.

  15. Re:Sounds like most temperature data by haruchai · · Score: 2

    Oh, piss off with your regurgitated denialist spew, ABC (Anonymous Batshit Coward)
    I've been following the science behind climate change for 25 yrs and it's only getting more and more solid.

    That's not to say there aren't still significant uncertainties but the groundwork has long been laid.

    We have lost so much time to the cooligans that it's just sickening.

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