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Google Engineer Shows How To Forge Swords and Knives

An anonymous reader writes "Niels Provos, an engineer at Google working on malware and phishing protection, is showing on YouTube how to forge knives and Viking swords. The process is absolutely fascinating and follows the steps of Viking blacksmiths from a thousand years ago. It starts by taking small bars of metal that get heated and hammered together until they become a solid piece. He then shows how to form it with the hammer, heat treat and polish it. All the videos are narrated explaining the purpose of each step. Sure beats sitting in front of the computer."

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  1. Slashvertisment, but: by arisvega · · Score: 2

    .. who cares. Cool as heck!

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    1. Re:Slashvertisment, but: by MagikSlinger · · Score: 2

      You can if you started posting cool YouTube videos. Hint, hint! :-)

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    2. Re:Slashvertisment, but: by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How to get your own article. (not necessarily on /.)

      1. Make or do something cool
      2. Document how you did it
      3. Share
      4. Gain recognition

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    3. Re:Slashvertisment, but: by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At least mine was more tech geek releated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZuyYBgI2Qg

      and very similar to what the original article was about.

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  2. NOVA did a show on ancient blacksmithing recently. by papasui · · Score: 4, Informative
  3. But on my computer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can own a +12 undead slayer. Can I forge this IRL?

    1. Re:But on my computer... by dsvick · · Score: 2

      Yea!! And I'm not an asshole ....

      errr ... wait a minute .....
      damn it ....

    2. Re:But on my computer... by alex67500 · · Score: 2

      There's a tendancy not to mod Anon Cowards up or down -- I very rarely do. Because they're anonymous, it doesn't actually affect your karma/profile, so it would be useless. This leaves you prone to more statistical anomalies than if you actually had a profile and used it to post.

  4. Would love to do this by Roogna · · Score: 2

    This is one of those things I've wanted to try doing since I was a kid, but simply never had the space for. Time to buy a few acres out somewhere.

    1. Re:Would love to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why buy a few acres? There are forges out there that teach classes and such for a reasonable fee. Prospect Hill Forge is such a forge (Boston area).

    2. Re:Would love to do this by Psychofreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't need acres. Many hobby smiths are using a space of little more than 100 square feet for a shop. Of course no power hammer, just forge, anvil, and some small power tools.

      While I don't make knives (not because I can't) my "workshop" is my driveway. Everything gets put away in the garage when I am done. A person can start out using a coal or lump charcoal fired forge made by digging a shallow hole in dirt, and using a hair dryer with an iron pipe on the end for air. Find a large steel slug, or piece of axle, or railroad track, say 30-100 pounds for an anvil (and it will be better than a cast iron anvil by far). Get a couple hammers such as a 2 pound ball pein and a 3 pound cross pein to start with. You can use long stock without tongs, and make your own tongs (Remember the BLACKSMITH makes the TOOLS, not the other way around)

      Car or truck coil spring is nice stock to make knives and tools out of for a beginner.

      There are forums dedicated to blacksmithing and knifemaking.

      Phil

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    3. Re:Would love to do this by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have acres. I have timer to stoke the fire. I can even cut timber to build the forge and a building to house it. It would take a little ingenuity to come up with a bellows and an anvil cheap. But, you know what? THIS IS WORK!!! There's a lot of stuff that looks cool, if you can sit around and watch it being done. But, when it's your muscles, learning a new skill, man it's ROUGH!!

      The physically hardest job I've ever done was pouring concrete. Following close behind was roughing out some prison buildings, in the mud, in the middle of winter with cold rain running down my back. Then, logging. By comparison, carpentry is easy, and that is real work.

      What I'm saying is, I'm familiar enough with real work to recognize it when I see it. Forging iron is going to be about as hard as pouring and finishing at least a half mile of city street. If you want quality work, you'll do that half mile of city street after at least six months of hard work acquiring the skills to do it. You're not going to light a fire, and turn out a beautifully crafted sword on your first attempt!

      Call me lazy, but if I decide that I want to craft my own knife or sword, I'll machine it on power equipment!!

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    4. Re:Would love to do this by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good advice! May I add a few things...

      - Ear protection. You don't have to go for uncomfortable headphones, but cheap ear plugs are definitely a good idea.
      - Keep a fire extinguisher handy
      - Expect to get through a number of wire brushes; brush off the slag regularly, if you want a clean result
      - Experiment with quenching, (water is OK, oil is better, but see remark above fire ex. above), if you're using good-quality steel, (easy to pick up as parent suggested)
      - Try carbon face hardening if you're using (cheap) mild steel

      In either of the two last cases, all you need is an open-topped container...

      I suggest you start here...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel

    5. Re:Would love to do this by Bearhouse · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, forgot the most important - eye protection!

      (I have had more shit dug out of my eyeballs than I care to remember... fortunately, if you don't destroy your eye totally, it seems to heal pretty fast. But life's a bitch while it does, believe me)

  5. Beats sitting in front of a computer? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You only ever hear people with nice soft office jobs make these kinds of dumbass statements. This sort of thing might be fun as a hobby, but as a life it would suck. It is hot, it is dangerous and the pay would not be great.

    No one really wants to do hard work for a shitty living, stop romanticizing it. I think it is an offshoot of the Noble Savage BS.

    1. Re:Beats sitting in front of a computer? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I already brew beer, I also cure meats, bake bread and create many other things.

      I would never want to do any of those for a living in modern society. The hours are long and the pay is shit.

    2. Re:Beats sitting in front of a computer? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? trades jobs suck. I have many trades person in my family. My dad, uncles aunts etc..

      I always heard the same thing from them: You want to go to school and get a good job becasue trades jobs suck.
      Paraphrase.

      Different hours, low security, in order to make 'real money' you work all kinds of crazy overtime. Deal mostly with uneducated loud mouths.
      I work with people in a specific trade right now, and all of them over 35 our pretty beat up and wish they had an office job .

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    3. Re:Beats sitting in front of a computer? by NonFerrousBueller · · Score: 2

      I'll have to agree with geekoid. I moved to NZ in 2002. Not having any computer qualifications I decided to pursue an adult apprenticeship as a machinist (Fitter/Turner to those of us in the Commonwealth). Two years of night school and two more years of dealing with the adage of "those that can't, teach". While I enjoy working with my hands and the equipment I get to play with is great, it's hard work with the constant danger of losing fingers or worse. It's hard on 40+ year-old bodies, and the pay is not that great. I'm taking time out to raise our daughter, while my well-paid accountant wife earns the money. I decided to learn a hobby as a profession, and that was a mistake. Should have gone back to school to learn programming or systems administration but getting late for that now.

      If you really want a trade, do your market research first. I also suggest a trade where you can fit all your tools in a van; this means you can work for yourself (plumber, sparky). Machinists need rooms full of expensive gear and are forever tied to an employer.

  6. Re:Best malware protection by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

    Probably more effective than AV.

    And eliminates future malware, at least from that source.

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  7. Maybe he knows something we don't? by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, if you work at Google in the anti-malware devision you've probably got a good idea about the types of exploits coming down the line. Now, if someone like that is acquiring skills they'd only really need if life as we know it were blasted back to the iron age...

  8. I praise Satan everyday for power tools. by DRMShill · · Score: 2

    Two conclusions I can draw from that video:

    1. The stereotype of blacksmiths looking like body builders must be pretty accurate.

    2. A good sword must have cost as much as a shitty car.

    1. Re:I praise Satan everyday for power tools. by DRMShill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well now I'm curious. It turns out whenever the word 'cost' appears in a Google search the results tend to point to online shops. But here's what I found: http://www.vincelewis.net/vikingsword.html
      http://www.motherearthnews.com/Sustainable-Farming/Small-Breed-Milk-Cows.aspx

      So a good Viking sword was worth 12 milk cows, and each milk cow is apparently worth about $2500 so $30000. Well that's assuming the value of a milk cow is constant throughout history. Not quite a Lexus, maybe an Acura.

  9. Re:Watch those hammers! by JDevers · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately a very small number of gun deaths in the US are committed with rifles.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-18/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015

    From a nested link in the link you posted, gun deaths outnumber blunt object deaths 17 to 1 in 2011. The other years in the article were similar.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

  10. Re:Watch those hammers! by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh noes, in a minute? That totally makes an objective difference!

    I'm kidding. It makes no difference. Rifles kill well under 400 people a year in the US, and assault rifles way under that. It's noise.

    But carry on with your emotional arguments at will...

  11. Fail..... by Jintsui · · Score: 2

    If he was MAN, he would have hammered that himself with a hammer, not a hammering machine.

  12. Guys, be careful. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Funny
    It starts simple like this, and it could eventually consume all your time.

    I was simply drinking coffee in Starbucks. Then someone told me you can actually brew the coffee at home. Start with a simple stove top percolator, he said. Then it became a cheap 10 cup presto coffee maker. Then came the French Press, then the "grinding your own just before brewing", roasting your own bean just before grinding just before brewing, espresso machines, pump based espresso not the wimpy steam pressure espresso, .....

    Now I am driving 150 miles each way to slopes of the Smoky Mountains each weekend to tend a patch of coffee shrubs which I am going to harvest, dry, grind and brew. They are saying the next step is to feed the coffee fruits to some weasels and collect the beans from its other end, then to dry, grind and brew. No one told me this is where I am going to end up. So watch out.

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  13. Re:NOVA did a show on ancient blacksmithing recent by Alomex · · Score: 2

    Quote from the show:

    ALAN WILLIAMS: The swords were far better than any other swords made, before or since, in Europe. And these must have been extraordinarily valuable to their contemporaries, because of their properties.

    Except for the Damascus sword, which was fabricated in several places in the Muslim empire, including, famously, in Toledo, Spain, where to this date there is a blade making industry.

    Not only that, but the Viking sword was merely an attempt to duplicate the quality of the Saracen sword.

  14. You do know by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    that anyone who posts from a breibart site should just admit to everyone that they don't have a leg to stand on. It's much less humiliating and doesn't waste the grownup's time.

  15. Re:NOVA did a show on ancient blacksmithing recent by asliarun · · Score: 2

    Quote from the show:

    ALAN WILLIAMS: The swords were far better than any other swords made, before or since, in Europe. And these must have been extraordinarily valuable to their contemporaries, because of their properties.

    Except for the Damascus sword, which was fabricated in several places in the Muslim empire, including, famously, in Toledo, Spain, where to this date there is a blade making industry.

    Not only that, but the Viking sword was merely an attempt to duplicate the quality of the Saracen sword.

    Not that it matters, but just to set the record straight, "damascus" steel, just like the "Arabic" numeral system, was neither invented in Damascus nor in Arabia nor in Spain. Both the numeral system and the steel was invented in India. It should be more accurately called Wootz steel. This steel making technique technique was mastered and perfected by ironsmiths in South India around 300BC. The original technique also died with the ironsmiths over time, and has was only recently replicated with success some years ago.

    References:
    http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9809/verhoeven-9809.html
    http://archaeology.about.com/od/wterms/g/wootz.htm
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/647868/wootz-steel

    The first article is the most informative and comprehensive of all.

    To quote from the articles linked above,
    "Wootz is the name given to an exceptional grade of iron ore steel first made in southern and south central India and Sri Lanka perhaps as early as 300 BC. Wootz is formed using a crucible to melt, burn away impurities and add important ingredients, and it contains a high carbon content (nearly 1.5%).

    Although iron making was part of Indian culture by as early as 1100 BC (at sites such as Hallur), the earliest evidence for the processing of iron in a crucible has been identified at the site of Kodumanal in Tamil Nadu province, and possibly also at Andhra Pradesh. The term 'wootz' appears in English in the late 18th century, and is probably derived from ukku, the word for crucible steel in the Indian language Kannada, and possibly from 'ekku' in old Tamil.

    Wootz steel is the primary component of Damascan steel. Syrian blacksmiths used wootz ingots to produce extraordinary steel weaponry throughout the middle ages. "

    For the record, I'm not a steel expert by any stretch, but I do love Japanese cooking knives, especially AS sandwitched core ones, and was really disappointed to learn that my first flashy "Damascus" pattern knife was only chemically etched and not a true damascus pattern.

  16. Re:Watch those hammers! by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

    OK, so why are they going after "assault rifles" which kill very, very few people (think in the order of the number of people killed by lightening)? Not that we'll cave in to the gun grabbers on handguns either, but why the focus on such a tiny problem?

    I'll tell you why - emotion and fear. The gun-grabber's greatest weapon.