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Scary Toothbrush Prompts Shutdown of World's Busiest Airport

McGruber writes "The big buzz for travelers today is the story of how a scary toothbrush prompted the closure of Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport: 'Airport officials told Channel 2 Action News that an electric toothbrush began vibrating inside a bag checked onto an AirTran flight, causing workers to alert airport officials to the strange noise.' The terminal and the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) subway were both temporary closed 'out of an abundance of caution.' ATL has been the world's busiest airport by passenger traffic since 1998, and by number of landings and take-offs since 2005."

284 comments

  1. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nice to see that we haven't let the terrorists win... oh wait.

    1. Re:Well... by c0lo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bin Laden... scaring US airports with a toothbrush since 2001. Death is not an impediment.

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    2. Re:Well... by Keith111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When's the last time anyone has made a bomb which beeps, ticks, or vibrates?

    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does exploding count as vibrates?

    4. Re:Well... by Black+LED · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've had the security guys at various US airports get scared on multiple occasions when I've run my toiletries bag through the x-ray scanner and they saw my electric toothbrush. With the sheer number of times that this must happen in any given airport, you'd think they would know better by now.

      I got a chuckle out of the video when the reporter mentioned that the airport personnel were "concerned". It's more like they were scared out of their minds, running from their own shadows.

    5. Re:Well... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      Scaring Americans with their own toothbrushes in fact. Imagine if they hadn't killed them? He'd be releasing fear-inducing gas into the American homes via the media by now. Then unveiling a giant laser on the moon.

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    6. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hasn't employees of the TSA seen Fight Club? COME ON!

    7. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but only with vibrators.

    8. Re:Well... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it was an everyday "dildo scare", misreported as a "bomb scare".

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    9. Re:Well... by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Scaring Americans with their own toothbrushes in fact. Imagine if they hadn't killed them? He'd be releasing fear-inducing gas into the American homes via the media by now. Then unveiling a giant laser on the moon.

      Do you have any idea how much bacteria there is on a typical toothbrush? You should be afraid.

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    10. Re:Well... by Guignol · · Score: 5, Funny

      - Was it ticking?
      -- Actually, throwers don't worry about ticking 'cause modern bombs don't tick.
      - Sorry, throwers?
      -- Baggage handlers. But when a suitcase vibrates, then the throwers gotta call the police.
      - My suitcase was vibrating?
      -- Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor. But every once in a while it's a dildo. Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never your dildo.
      - But,I do not own a dildo!
      - Alright, let's just call this a toothbrush, you can use it as you see fit after all why would I care ?

    11. Re:Well... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      this is the first recorded case of toothbrush-icide from beyond the grave! and for extra evil, it was powered by sony batteries.

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    12. Re:Well... by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. Nothing like seeing security forces have a spaz attack over an electric toothbrush to make me feel safe.

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    13. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorists? You're way of... the true face of evil isn't some foreign country but a local criminal empire comprised of the ultra rich.

    14. Re:Well... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      "But don't worry, it all went very smoothly, they had the terminal back open in about.....40 minutes."

      Yes, they did say that.

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    15. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think someone put it in there as a message to the TSA. YOU ARE DILDOS. Those subhuman little freaks should get giant dildos shoved so far up their asses that their heads pop off. I hate those retarded little cunts.

      We need a chicken in every pot and a giant decapitating dildo in every TSA agent!

    16. Re:Well... by RussellTheMuscle · · Score: 1

      Chipped teeth?

    17. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What scale determines the efficiency of a toothbrush?

      I believe you could do a pretty good clean up job with a Rabbit if you were tenacious with it.

    18. Re:Well... by meerling · · Score: 2

      In movies and tv shows, every single last one, especially after it's been found.
      In real life, not a single one.

      Of course to give you a comparison, hollywood has cars exploding all the time, but in real life, how many cars have you ever seen explode? (I'm betting it's close to, if not exactly Zero.)

    19. Re:Well... by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone who feels safer now please raise your hand.

    20. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but tooth decay is, did you see Osama's teeth, people need to brush!

    21. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's official -- the Cavity Creeps have won.

    22. Re:Well... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Only if it explodes in advance of the...uh...explosion.

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    23. Re:Well... by Genda · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you vibrator is chipping your teeth, you're using it wrong or its too deep!

    24. Re:Well... by Matt.Battey · · Score: 2

      My thoughts exactly. I guess it's not just dildos and electric razors that get airport security in a tizzy. Bur hey, if you can't cause millions of dollars in mayhem with a $3.99 item from WalMart, then you aren't worth your salt (or water if you catch me). My guess is that the average TSA agent hasn't even heard of Fight Club, 'cuze the Bush admin goal was to replace minimum wage security guards with professionals, i.e. people looking for a pension to retire on in 10 years, not the crowd who would go to see Fight Club.

    25. Re:Well... by Genda · · Score: 1

      I'm betting the Al Qaeda has never felt safer...

    26. Re:Well... by emag · · Score: 1

      Came here to find this. Was not disappointed.

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    27. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /|\ Thank you sir! I just spewed coffee all over my monitor.

    28. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahhahahahhahhaahh

    29. Re:Well... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2

      I saw a car burn once. The heat is intense. You couldn't get within 30 feet (10m) of the thing. The fire brigade put it out before it exploded however. Since in NZ most cars have LPG or CNG tanks they can in fact explode.

      The fire was not however caused by a crash, but a cigerette in the back seat.

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    30. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, unless it implodes too.

    31. Re:Well... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Since in NZ most cars have LPG or CNG tanks they can in fact explode.

      They don't fit relief valves?

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    32. Re:Well... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      What's this Fight Club of which you spâ@
      no carrier

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    33. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but only with vibrators.

      Now there is a market to exploit - female terrorists carrying sex toys in the form of vibrators on-board commercial aircraft (passenger and freight), trains (passenger and freight), buses (public transportation and commercial coach carriers), and automobiles (passenger vehicles). My goodness when will the madness end? Oh right, with the sounds of vibrating toothbrushes, smartphones, and sex toys. Yeah! The terrorists are laughing.

    34. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But don't worry, it all went very smoothly, they had the terminal back open in about.....40 minutes."

      Damn! That woman must have been in the throws of the longest orgasm in human history. I hope the TSA videotaped the entire incident...you know for the courts.

    35. Re:Well... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      This gives me an idea...

      How much ARE 12,000 toothbrushes, anyway? :-)

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      Never been known to fail..."
    36. Re:Well... by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

      They know better than you think. They are right in carefully evaluating your toothbrush in the X-ray.

      They just shouldn't get more scared because it's vibrating and making noise. In fact, they should get less scared.

    37. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When's the last time anyone has made a bomb which beeps, ticks, or vibrates?

      "BOOOOM", not "BUZZZ"

    38. Re:Well... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      you want to bet on that valve working in a fire? Or that the steel doesn't soften too under the heat? Sure they work sometimes. But there is plenety that didn't. A youtube search would get you a few.

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    39. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good tooth care means everybody wins.

    40. Re:Well... by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      I had to put in documented baggage my scary Tamiya gun type HG airbrush, and my katana looking umbrella. On the fun side, even the security guys at LAX laughed when I told them why that small bag was documented.

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    41. Re:Well... by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      Or we could blame the people in charge, you know, rather than your uneducated friends making minimum wage (or whatever the hell it is).

    42. Re:Well... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Then that's some pretty atrocious design. Design of pressure-relief systems is not exactly rocket science, or new.

      The worst case of failure of a pressure-relief system that I've been associated with killed 167 people, and the pressure relief system failed because it wasn't designed, installed, commissioned or enabled. Instead, the system relied on it being inconceivable that the human operators of the rest of the gas production and pipeline system would continue to pump gas into the middle of a raging fire, with several hundred people trapped in the middle of it. Of course, in the event, because no-one could get permission to shut down the rest of the production system, and no-one had the balls to make the decision on their own, then when there was a fire, the gas was continually pumped into the middle until the 24" and 36" gas risers blew.

      Of course, we have better-designed systems now, which are not going to fail. Elgin gas leak, anyone?

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    43. Re:Well... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      So you didn't bother to youtube, it happens. Pressure relive values typically don't have "work properly at 1000C" requirements. And How could you expect them to work. Steel is 1/3 its strength at 600C, Aluminum starts getting getting soft at 150C or so. One side of a tank can be at burst temp(with normal operating pressure) before the pressure relief value even gets to 100C.

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    44. Re:Well... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Nope ; I couldn't see the video on YouTube. Poor connection here.

      none of which invalidates that design of PRVs is "rocket science". The first PRV that I had to replace was a low-melting alloy in a pressure cooker - that probably went at about 130degC. Use of different metal slugs in essentially the same design is effective up to a dull red heat, when the brass housing becomes likely to melt. You just CHOOSE the CORRECT temperature for your alloys.

      If you're concerned by different temperatures on different parts of the tank, you put multiple PRVs into the tank wall (or incorporate them into fill-up line connectors, take-off lines, pressure detection lines, or whatever makes your manufacturing costs OK. No-one cares if only one of the PRVs "goes".

      It's not rocket science to arrange appropriate pressure relief (though it is a part of rocket science).

      (If I was at one of my work places in the bush of Africa or the forests of Russia or the seas of East Asia, YouTube would likely have been blocked to the 100kbps line for off-duty use. Don't assume that a link that works for you will work for someone else.)

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  2. The first rule... by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor. But every once in a while it's a dildo. Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never "your dildo."

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    1. Re:The first rule... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Came here to read that. Thank you for not disappointing!

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    2. Re:The first rule... by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor. But every once in a while it's a dildo. Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never "your dildo."

      Parent is a Fight Club reference, for those who haven't seen it.

      All-in-all, this is a step up if we didn't also arrest the person whose toothbrush it is.

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    3. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't realize they had terrorists or dildos in Atlantis. Think what you could do with a vibrating trident!

    4. Re:The first rule... by conspirator23 · · Score: 2

      Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor. But every once in a while it's a dildo. Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never "your dildo."

      My electric razor was in fact responsible for delaying the takeoff of a plane once. Thankfully this was prior to 9/11. Aside from the delay, the only adverse impact was having to dissapoint the two bored baggage handlers who knew the Fight Club reference and were desperately hoping that I would produce something embarassing. Today, I'd expect that the bag would be destroyed and I would be held for questioning. I love to fly but airlines, airports, and the TSA have all convinced me to opt for the road trip for anything inside a 600 mile radius.

    5. Re:The first rule... by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      My electric razor was in fact responsible for delaying the takeoff of a plane once. Thankfully this was prior to 9/11.

      Mine was similarly responsible, but ca. 2010-2011. I'm grateful that the local airport's baggage handlers had enough sense -- I think it was in the midwest, on a smaller airplane, if that matters -- that they just called me over to open my luggage, identify what it was and how to turn it off. Got me to be more careful, and to not bring it along on shorter trips.

    6. Re:The first rule... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Happened to me on a domestic flight in China. It was my beard trimmer in the duffle bag that started vibrating making noise. I don't think many Chinese use an electric shaver. The looks I got when a picked my bags from the airport were that of confusion. It was awkward.

      "Ya, I'm an American with something vibrating in my bag. Yes, I'm very very foreign to you!!!"

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    7. Re:The first rule... by guttentag · · Score: 5, Funny

      All-in-all, this is a step up if we didn't also arrest the person whose toothbrush it is.

      They weren't arrested, just subjected to a cavity search.

      (insert rimshot here)

    8. Re:The first rule... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part where they blew the bag to pieces with a water cannon just in case it had a bomb in it. And then detained the people for 8 hours questioning them.

    9. Re:The first rule... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      "I beg your pardon, sir. that is NOT a dildo! it is merely a penis-shaped electric handle to my toothbrush. and of course, a remotely controlled flossing plug."

    10. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rim.. Shot?.. I didn't know cavity searches featured a 'happy ending' nowadays ;-)

    11. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They weren't arrested, just subjected to a cavity search. (insert rimshot here)

      Toothbrush or dildo, it still works. MARTA Singer would be proud :)

    12. Re:The first rule... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Think what you could do with a vibrating trident!

      Simultaneously spear three servings of some REALLY juicy sushi?

      (Try saying "juicy sushi" 5 times in a row as quickly as you can.)

      Maybe pleasure kinky mermaid-triplets?

      Strat

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    13. Re:The first rule... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      And then detained the people for 8 hours questioning them.

      At least they had nice teeth for the news cameras.
         

    14. Re:The first rule... by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Funny

      The first rule of Cannabis club is, you don`t remember the first rule.

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    15. Re:The first rule... by euyis · · Score: 1

      When? Electric shaver hasn't been something exotic for us since, say, 2000?

    16. Re:The first rule... by meerling · · Score: 1

      I doubt it, remember, the TSA got ahold of their toothbrush.

    17. Re:The first rule... by meerling · · Score: 1

      Just go with the old standard, it's a battery powered back massaging wand...

    18. Re:The first rule... by Genda · · Score: 1

      I assume however he was CAVITY searched!!!

    19. Re:The first rule... by Genda · · Score: 1

      Damn! I gotta read the next comments before firing these off!!!

    20. Re:The first rule... by Zemran · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had my electric razor start in my bag in Guangzhou and they made me go back through check in and open my luggage and turn it off. Their was no tension, they were still smiling at my embarrassment all the way. The took me back air side afterwards but there was never any implication that it was a threat. They just wanted me to be there when the bag was opened and it was checked out. Why is that China is the one that is always pictured as the police state when I am always treated far better there?

      I travelled a lot with my son and he caused enough scares to turn me grey. We were immediately surrounded by armed police in Thailand when they saw a gun in his carry on as it went through x-ray... It was a very realistic BB gun that he had bought in the market in Bangkok without telling me... and in China he tried to get 2 small swords on a plane and they would not let him...Thankfully he has now left home and gone to university.

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    21. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://online360.vn/ket-sat.html

      and

    22. Re:The first rule... by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      (Try saying "juicy sushi" 5 times in a row as quickly as you can.)

      juicy sushi 5 times in a row as quickly as you can

      Okay. Now what?

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    23. Re:The first rule... by rastos1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is that China is the one that is always pictured as the police state when I am always treated far better there?

      A friend of mine was in China 2-3 years ago. While traveling on a train he saw a police patrol to stop the train in the middle of nowhere because they caught a thief. They dragged the thief off the train and shot him on the spot.

    24. Re:The first rule... by balsy2001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just a couple of thoughts being an expat resident of China. 1. They treat foreigners special. Since I have been here I have felt like they make special effort to ensure we don't get a bad impression. 2. I have to have my passport and have it recorded on their police computer system each time I check into a hotel and buy a train ticket. I think they try to make it appear like it isn't a police state. At the same time I will tell people as an expat you can basically do what you want in china. 3. Compare PRC proper to Hong Kong SAR and you will see a world of difference. (I apologize if my assumption is incorrect that you are not a Chinese national)

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    25. Re:The first rule... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      Thats nothing. *My* friend was there a few years ago and he saw the army just drive a tank over all these students!

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    26. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      2. I have to have my passport and have it recorded on their police computer system each time I check into a hotel...

      Also true in several European countries.

    27. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's for fertilizing plants to fight the spreading of the desert. Corpses, it is what plants crave.

    28. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why is that China is the one that is always pictured as the police state when I am always treated far better there?

      A friend of mine was in China 2-3 years ago. While traveling on a train he saw a police patrol to stop the train in the middle of nowhere because they caught a thief. They dragged the thief off the train and shot him on the spot.

      Why is this tagged as 'Funny'?
      Is it a kind of Ueber-geek joke I don't get?

    29. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All-in-all, this is a step up if we didn't also arrest the person whose toothbrush it is.

      They weren't arrested, just subjected to a cavity search.

      (insert rimshot here)

      ROFLMAO OMG!

    30. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I travelled a lot with my son and he caused enough scares to turn me grey. We were immediately surrounded by armed police in Thailand when they saw a gun in his carry on as it went through x-ray... It was a very realistic BB gun that he had bought in the market in Bangkok without telling me... and in China he tried to get 2 small swords on a plane and they would not let him...Thankfully he has now left home and gone to prison.

      FTFY See you in 10 years daddy.

    31. Re:The first rule... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      But they've been brushing well for a month before at least

    32. Re:The first rule... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Here at Brazil, the hotel is required to record you passport number. In paper (no, computers just won't serve). I have no idea where they send those papers to, or if they send them somewhere at all.

      Anyway, nobody ever verifies anything.

    33. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are registered in EU police computers whenever you check in in a hotel, all the same.

      In Italy it has been so since the 70s when we were fighting terrorism of the "Anni di Piombo" (lead years).
      Notably practically all bombings which resulted in death of Italian citizens during the 70s were "false flag operations" where extreme right (fascist) terrorists were financed and supported by the at the US administration (Henry Kissinger, Nobel prize for "Peace" and killings/torture in Chile and Argentina)" in order to fight communism" and "make communists look bad".

      If we in Italy started shooting thieves on the spot we would be a much healthier country.
      I wonder how few of our corrupt politicians would survive.

    34. Re:The first rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love to fly but airlines, airports, and the TSA have all convinced me to opt for the road trip for anything inside a 600 mile radius.

      I love the airlines so much I opted for a 1500 mile road trip (each way) for the holidays. It's a nice 22+ hour relaxing drive as opposed to an unknown amount of security theater.

  3. well done. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    had it not been for the brave efforts of the TSA, someone could have taken this toothbrush and flown it into a building.
      The only way to keep airports safe for americans now is to require them to remove their shoes, belts, AND teeth before screening.

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    1. Re:well done. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Troll

      religion flies planes into buildings.
      science flies men into space.
      (and fruit flies love bananas).

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    2. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, bad mod

    3. Re:well done. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, people fly planes into buildings, people fly ships into space, and people do a great number of other things. What separates the ones flying planes into buildings from the ones flying spaceships is that the first group is crazy in a bad way, and being crazy in a bad way is wholly independent of religion.

      For instance, Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, identified his religion as science and claimed to be agnostic, the crusaders identified as Christian, and the 9/11 terrorists identified as Islamic (quick note: I'm not suggesting that science is a religion; rather, I'm suggesting that crazy acts can be perpetuated by someone regardless of their claimed religion or lack thereof). The most you could say is that certain religions attract that sort of crazy more often than others.

    4. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done well done
      I am heartened to hear that people understand. Religion is just a tool, like all the others.

    5. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't know about the existence of science ?

    6. Re:well done. by Psyborgue · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Ideally, you're right, but all this is assuming religion doesn't teach something specific. Science has no holy book telling people what to do. Religions do... so while you can't really blame science when some politically motivated atheist blows up a building (did Einstein tell him to do it), it is perfectly fair to blame religion when somebody carry's out it's instructions and, for example, beats his wife. Do all religious "follower" follow their religion to the letter. No, and so it's not fair to judge all of them, but that doesn't mean those who would claim to follow a doctrine aren't more likely than others to have a tendency to adhere to it's tenets.

    7. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, people fly planes into buildings, people fly ships into space, and people do a great number of other things. What separates the ones flying planes into buildings from the ones flying spaceships is that the first group is crazy in a bad way, and being crazy in a bad way is wholly independent of religion.

      For instance, Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, identified his religion as science and claimed to be agnostic, the crusaders identified as Christian, and the 9/11 terrorists identified as Islamic (quick note: I'm not suggesting that science is a religion; rather, I'm suggesting that crazy acts can be perpetuated by someone regardless of their claimed religion or lack thereof). The most you could say is that certain religions attract that sort of crazy more often than others.

      Fascinating. When McVeigh was "executed", it was widely reported that no "Autopsy" of his "dead" body was performed "because of religious grounds."

      More proof that Oklahoma City was faked, and that "Terrorist" Timothy McVeigh had nothing to do with it (other than to play his part in a Psyops road-show). (Remember that other story about how he was "captured" while "driving out of town" in a car "with no license plate."?)

    8. Re:well done. by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting the different rules in different countries. When going from London to the US I was specifically told to leave my laptop in the bag (a few years ago) and flying from China to the US you have to take computers out but can leave your shoes on (a few months ago).

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    9. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have to take your laptop out of your bag in the EU now. You can generally leave your shoes on unless they're quite chunky, but some London airports (and possibly other major ones - I don't know) do random shoe scans just after the main security area.

    10. Re:well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND teeth before screening

      Cavity searches become so much easier this way that they are performed to every passenger, and to a few passer-by as well.

    11. Re:well done. by Cruciform · · Score: 2

      As has been effectively said by Harris and others: If the religious fundamentalists are extremists, wingnuts, and unpleasant individuals, then what does that say about the fundamentals of the religion.

    12. Re:well done. by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      One word:

      Vibrablade.

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  4. A Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    of the tards, by the tards, for the tards...

  5. Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife was flying for work back in 2004-2005 time period and her electric toothbrush turned on inside her bag. Nobody freaked out, but one of her coworkers made some stupid "Haha is that your vibrator" comment.

    Shutting down the whole thing probably cost them at least a million dollars. This is what the terrorists winning looks like.

    1. Re:Happened to my wife by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cost who a million dollars?

      Did they have to hire additional TSA agents?
      Did they pay compensation to anyone for the delay?

      Why can't these stupid TSA agents realize that if you hear buzzing its not a bomb. You won't hear the bomb that kills you.

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    2. Re:Happened to my wife by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Don't they have an LED count down timer and beep every second?

    3. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seldom. Only as a courtesy.

    4. Re:Happened to my wife by sortius_nod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure if you're aware of how much parking fees are for commercial airliners, but they aren't cheap & are calculated to the minute. Add to this the reallocation of tickets for connecting flights, time on the clock for business people, etc.

      A small delay can amount to millions in a busy airport.

    5. Re:Happened to my wife by icebike · · Score: 1

      Can you charge parking fees for an airport enforced quarantine?

      The business people are allowed to come and go, even when planes aren't moving.
      They are still making money from trapped passengers.

      Airlines never compensate passengers for any inconvenience caused by missed flights or connections due to security reasons.
      I thing you are over stating the case.

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    6. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airlines never compensate passengers for any inconvenience caused by missed flights or connections due to security reasons.

      Who compensates airlines for the inconvenience? Those union pilots are on the clock.

    7. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you charge parking fees for an airport enforced quarantine?

      I don't know. But if I were a betting man, I'd say .. yeah.

      As far as costs go.. those flight crews still get paid. Ticket counters are going to be *much* busier. and not just at Atlanta. Flights to Atlanta needed to divert, and those passengers need to be rebooked. Flights out of Atlanta are canceled. The passengers that would've gotten on those planes downstream, don't. *Those* passengers need to be rebooked. The passengers stuck in Atlanta probably can't all be fit in the unbooked seats for the day following, so that'll cost extra in public relations at the least. But they probably will offer inducements to other passengers to get them to reroute not through Atlanta to create extra empty seats out.

      So.. yeah. costs. From lots of places, even if the airlines don't pay a dime to the passengers stuck in Atlanta.

      And while this isn't a cost for the airlines.. a lot of stores in the airport probably lost a lot of revenue. A stranded customer base has a very different purchasing volume than a regularly turned over customer base of passengers coming off flights.

    8. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Time is money. If you delay me for an hour, then that hour is lost. Maybe I can't get to work on time and my boss pays the cost, or maybe I have to stay late at work because of it and lose my own free time. Either way, when time is wasted, it costs money.

    9. Re:Happened to my wife by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Can you charge parking fees for an airport enforced quarantine?

      Of course. Why not? Don't forget, a gate that has a plane parked at it cannot accept another incoming flight, so one in the gate may mean another sitting on the ramp, at least one engine running, and an entire flight crew on the clock. Or a closed terminal may trigger flow control and delay the departure of flights from other airports, where gate charges will certainly accrue.

      The business people are allowed to come and go, even when planes aren't moving.

      Huh? A business person waiting to board a flight can't go anywhere except a short distance from the gate or the flight may get called and he'll miss it altogether. Then remember that a flight that leaves an hour late arrives an hour later than it otherwise would. (Sometimes the pilots will put the pedal to the metal and try to make up time, but not always.)

      A business person ON a plane waiting to push with the door closed is in electronic quarantine, unless the wait gets to be long and the pilot lets people power up. That will delay the departure when it comes time to leave, however.

      The OP didn't talk about time lost to passengers, however.

      They are still making money from trapped passengers.

      How so? Trapped passengers aren't usually perusing the Sky Mall catalog, and the waitresses haven't broken open the galley to sell food. Trapped passengers cost money.

      Airlines never compensate passengers for any inconvenience caused by missed flights or connections due to security reasons.

      That doesn't change the fact that rebooking/rerouting or otherwise dealing with delayed pax costs the airline money. A delayed flight may push a crew past their legal duty day, forcing the airline to call in a backup crew -- and pay them. Any tin sitting on the ramp waiting for a gate, or that has to taxi back to a gate to be reboarded, is burning jet fuel at a good clip. Overtime for the ground crews unloading/reloading. Re-deicing if necessary. Lots of costs. And, due to flow control, those costs can occur at airports all over the country, not just the one that is closed.

    10. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they aren't. Airline pilots only get paid for flight time, plus a per diem.

    11. Re:Happened to my wife by meerling · · Score: 2

      The biggest 'security reason' for this delay is that the TSA has a bunch of morons working there.

    12. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      Why can't these stupid TSA agents realize that if ....

      You answered your own question.

    13. Re:Happened to my wife by sjames · · Score: 2

      It costs the airLINEs plenty. It doesn't cost the airPORT much.

      If we made that money come out of the TSA's hookersn'blow fund we might see less shutdowns.

    14. Re:Happened to my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      the TSA

      ...

      a bunch of morons

      You're being redundant.

  6. My suitcase was vibrating? by sam_vilain · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Nine time out of ten, it's an electric toothbrush. But, every once in a while ... it's a dildo.

    (with apologies to Fight Club)

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  7. Billions of Fricken Dollars by terbeaux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Billions of dollars to shutdown airports for no reason. They were thrown off the tracks by Amtrak Chief of Police for trying to encroach on American's 4th amendment rights outside of their "jurisdiction". http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/opinion/don-phillips-tsa-vipr-teams/

    I wrote to my representatives about how I feel about the TSA. You can too: https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/tsa/

    1. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course they shut down airports for no reason whatsoever because they have no motivation NOT to because they are paid by the government, not the airlines themselves.

      A worker who is hired by the airline and reports to airline management is not going to overreact because an overreaction means that the airline loses money. On the other hand a TSA agent has no reason not to shut down an entire airport. I mean, what do they have to lose? It isn't their money, they'll get paid no matter what and the airline doesn't have a say in their hiring/firing decisions.

      We really need to abolish the TSA and replace it with security guards who are hired by the airline itself and security policies decided by the airline itself. Thus allowing for passengers to choose where they feel safest, be it in an airplane where all the passengers are free to carry pistols if they so choose, or in an airplane where passengers are subjected to an intensive cavity search before boarding, or anywhere in between.

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    2. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by FalcDot · · Score: 1

      Except that it's not only about the safety of the passengers, it's also about the safety of all the people living and working in places where terrorists might crash the plane into.

    3. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      except the moment the security hired and ran by the airline company is even slightly negligent in an attempt to save the airline money, you will come here and post this exact same post, only complaining that the airline security has to incentive for passenger safety.

    4. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

      Sounds great, but using the words g0vernment, ab0lish, repl@ce, all0w, fr3e, pist0ls and ch0ose in one post may get you on a list.

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    5. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As others have said that then runs the risk of the airport not being shut down when it should because they don't want to cost the airlines money.

      A better idea would be to have a reward/punishment system. If you screw up like this you get fired. But if you find a real threat and close the airport you get 25 million dollars. That way nobody would shut down an airport unless they were very sure but also if they thought there was the slightest chance it was a real threat they would make damned sure to check as it could make them very rich.

    6. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by krotkruton · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      And using leet-speak obfuscations in a deliberate attempt to evade detection of these words, all in one post to boot, is even more of a red flag. You think they don't look for that? Anyway, good luck next time you try to fly.

    8. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      A similar thing can be said about security hired by the airlines.Where Government security had no reason not to overreact airline security has every reason to under react. Every time they decide to shut something down airline security would have to prove they were right or they will lose their jobs. That is something that is impossible to do unless they actually caught someone. Overreaction causes delays and lost revenue. Under reaction could cause death. I choose what some call overreaction.

      To implement your scenario the security checks would have to take place at each gate while boarding the aircraft. Otherwise passengers who can mingle once past current security could distribute weapons. Also security is not just about the airline. It is about what could be done with a hijacked aircraft. Are the people in the building that the aircraft was flown into party to the security decision?

      By the way, the whole airport was not shut down. Here is the quote from the article;

      A portion of Atlanta’s airport, including MARTA rail service, was interrupted for more than half an hour Friday morning because of a toothbrush.

      The checked in bag with no one to verify what was inside started to make a strange buzzing sound. Employees have to assume the worst until proven otherwise. Anything else would be stupid. I bet many people who are now calling this over reaction would blame security for not reacting correctly and clearing the area if the unknown buzzing object had exploded.

    9. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your an idiot. The TSA dont protect anything or anyone.

      The TSA is not going to be gotten rid of without a full scale revolution. There here to stay. Its psychological warefare vs you.

      The Pakistani Taliban have more freedom then you.

    10. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I choose what some call overreaction.

      Then you, sir, are part of the problem. Part of the reason why this country is destroying itself from within. Try getting it through your tiny little head that there are no terrists. If there were they would have done something by now.

    11. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it's not only about the safety of the passengers, it's also about the safety of all the people living and working in places where terrorists might crash the plane into.

      That became a non-issue as soon as they started locking and reinforcing the cockpit door.

    12. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Overreaction causes delays and lost revenue. Under reaction could cause death. I choose what some call overreaction.

      It's not as if the only options are to let anything onboard or at the other extreme to go into a screaming panic about everything.

      Sure you have to err one way or thee other, but the trick not to err where you don't have to. An example of not erring when you don't have to would be knowing what a Kensington lock is, and why it isn't a pair of handcuffs.

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    13. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by tragedy · · Score: 1

      It became a non-issue even earlier than that. It actually happened as soon as plane passengers on flight 93 realized what the hijackers were planning.

    14. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      I choose security that doesn't hike up it's skirts and do the 'mouse dance' on a stool every time a toothbrush buzzes menacingly.

      Bombs don't buzz, razors and toothbrushes do.

      The checked in bag with no one to verify what was inside...

      In the words of Yogi Berra:

      You can see a lot just by looking

    15. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      First they could not prove it was a toothbrush until they opened the luggage. But they could not safely open the luggage it until they could prove it was a toothbrush. It is a catch 22. We now know it was a toothbrush byt they did not know it at the time.

      Here is an interesting scenario. Lets put a timer on a device that buzzes so it goes of somewhere in the baggage handling area. In that same bag we put a bomb that explodes when the bag is opened. That way we can ensure that at least one person is killed in the blast and possibly more that are curious as to what was buzzing. Similar things like that have happened with bombers. They set a small bomb off and when the first responders arrive they set off a much bigger bomb. The buzzing could have been bait.

      They didn't "hike up their skirts and do a mouse dance" They calmly cleared the area and properly dealt with an unknown, at that time, device. What would you have said if it was a bomb and bystanders were killed because they were not removed from the area. I bet there would be many people who would blame security for not taking proper precautions. Security is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    16. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sure, you can invent a comic book evil genius that does that, but it's just a paranoid fantasy. By the time the toothbrush buzzed at them, they had already done their best gorilla impression with the bag and nothing went boom.

      Here's another scenario. A series of bombs wired in to the airport suct that any alarm of any kind destroys it. Then yell BOO! No more likely, but also no less.

      Of course, to look, they could always use an xray machine. I'll bet there were a few of those in an airport.

      What if someone rigs a bottle full of liquid to explode when the TSA unceremoniously toss it in the trash? OMG! Is that McDonald's bag litter or A BOMB?!!!!! EEEK! TRASH CANS!!!!!

      Meanwhile, name one buzzing bomb in a suitcase found anywhere ever.

    17. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      So according to you since we can't plug every possible holes we should not bother plugging the holes we can. Your scenario is much less likely as it would require several security breaches to accomplish. It does not take an evil genius to come up with the plan I described. I may be evil but I am not a genius and I came up with it. Just because you didn't think of it does not mean someone else can't. I bet there are smarter people in the world than either of us that are not evil geniuses.

      Every security measure is paranoia until someone tries it. To further complicate matters the package may have not been armed before the timer went off and armed after. Throwing it around before might not have set off the bomb but moving it after might. You don't know every scenario that could cause a bomb to go off and you have never been a security guard. You have no idea what pressures there are when every decisions could mean life or death. Paranoia is a good thing in security.

      Meanwhile, name one buzzing bomb in a suitcase found anywhere ever.

      Name one hijacked aircraft that was flown into a skyscraper before 911. There can always be a first. Proactive is always better than reactive in security.

    18. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      By your logic, each passenger should get a whole body cat scan and MRI in case they replaced an organ with a bomb (just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it wont!).

      There is a such thing as being TOO proactive. If we paralyses our society with fear, the terrorists win. It's time to let go of the fear. Cowardice is rarely a good answer.

      By comic evil genius, I mean someone who crafts a freakishly over-elaborate evil plan when a simple one would work much better.

    19. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      People have tried to implant bombs in people. What you propose would be going much too far and be completely impossible. Shutting down part of one airport for 30 minutes is no where near as disruptive. It is a matter of scale.

      The difference in your scenario (the cat scan) is that there would be no external indication of something different. A buzzing package is "different". The reason for that difference may be iniquitous or it may be dangerous. Here is an instance where police were lured to the location of one bomb when there was another bomb there rigged to kill them. It is not out of the realm of possibility.

      Shutting down part of an airport for half an hour is not a big deal and will not "paralyze society". Aircraft are delayed by more than that every day.

      You might want to look up the term "cowardice". There is a big difference between caution and cowardice.

      There are a couple of ways of looking at this report;
      1. Those over reactive security agents just trying to justify their jobs and/or succumbing to fear and threat. The system is broken.
      2. Competent security personnel taking precautions to safeguard the people they are sworn to protect. A half hour delay is nothing. The system works.

    20. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      You seem to understand that there are tradeoffs to be made here. I don't see why it's hard to understand that I am simply suggesting another. Shutting down the airport cost big bux and needlessly frightened people.

      There is indeed a line between caution and cowardice and shutting down the busiest airport in the world because a toothbrush went BZZZZZT is well on the craven side of the line.

      Point to ponder, since they know it was a toothbrush, they must have had a way to know it was a toothbrush. Why not use it first, then close the airport if they find an actual bomb.

    21. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Shutting down the airport cost big bux and needlessly frightened people.

      That would be accurate if that had happened. What actually happened was a small portion of the airport in the vicinity of the luggage was shut down for about 30 minutes. Flights still went in and out of the airport while the small portion was closed. Here is the relevant quote from the article;

      A portion of the North Terminal baggage claim area was cordoned off while the bag was investigated, officials said. Airport passengers and MARTA passengers were diverted to the Terminal South entrance.

      Closing a baggage area and diverting a few passengers for 30 minutes is nowhere near "closing an airport". You might want to read more than the title of the summary. They have been inaccurate and inflammatory as of late.

      Point to ponder, since they know it was a toothbrush, they must have had a way to know it was a toothbrush. Why not use it first, then close the airport if they find an actual bomb.

      As I said earlier, they did not know it was a toothbrush till they opened the luggage and they didn't want to risk people being around when they did that. When they cordoned off the area, all they were sure of was that there was a buzzing object in some luggage and not that it was a toothbrush.

    22. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      So why not just wheel it away and check it quietly? By the time they cordoned the area it could have been outside the building.

      Also interesting, if it was in baggage claim, it had already made a flight without incident.

    23. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      So why not just wheel it away and check it quietly? By the time they cordoned the area it could have been outside the building.

      Wheel it away and it explodes while it is moving. taking out anybody nearby. You are assuming it was safe to move. You keep thinking "toothbrush" when security is required to think "bomb". Put yourself in a room with an unknown object that could be a bomb. Would you move it?

      Also interesting, if it was in baggage claim, it had already made a flight without incident.

      It's called a timer set to go off when the aircraft lands. What if the objective was to be able to say "People Killed at the United States Biggest Airport Nowhere is Safe". Aircraft crash regularly. A successful attack on an airport is a new thing.

    24. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see...It was handled by gorillas in two cities and then thoroughly beaten by the baggage handling system without anything bad happening and you're claiming it might be delicate? I think you watch too many cartoons.

    25. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of an arming circuit? It is very simple to use an Ardueno controller board to ignore the inputs from three mercury switches up until a certain time. At that time the buzzing object is turned on and any changes in the switches will cause the bomb to explode. Movement before the timer went off would have no effect. Movement after the timer went off would explode the bomb. It is not about be delicate but programmable. Maybe you should think like a bomb builder before saying it would not work.

    26. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      They have incentive for passenger/plane safety. People scared to board an airplane won't buy tickets, and planes are expensive to replace.

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    27. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      That is comically desperate. Just for grins, I'll add bad guy with remote and orders to detonate if anything at all out of the ordinary (like closing off part of the airport) happens. Ooops, shoulda played it cool.

      Bottom line, cower in your closet clutching your wubbie if you want, but kindly leave me out of it. The terrorists wanted you terrified, and you kindly obliged them.

    28. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      By your logic there should be no security at all because there is some scenario that they can not stop. Again, we can not deal with all eventualities which does not mean that we should not deal with the ones we can.

      It is only terrorizing when the incidents stop people from doing what they would normally do. If they had shut the airport down that would be bad. If people stopped going to the airport because they shut down a small portion that would be bad. Neither of those things happened. Your solution is to stick your head in the sand until something does happen and then condemn the security services for not being diligent enough. Great plan

      I am not cowering in my closet. I go out in public all the time. I am happy that there are people out there watching out for unusual circumstances and taking reasonable precautions. I am in no way terrified. Annoyed maybe but terrified, no.

    29. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, all of the reactionary happy crappy at the airport HAS induced a number of people to not fly anymore.

      I simply suggest that security mustn't jump at every shadow. A measured response is fine, but recoiling with fear at the sight of nail clippers and the sound of a toothbrush is anything but measured.

      If you actually believe that anything out of the ordinary should be presumed to be a bomb, then you ARE terrified.

    30. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      You are still fixated on "toothbrush". It could have been something else as it was unidentified. Nail clipper deal is stupid. Closing a small area for 30 minutes is not over the top. To me that is a measured response. A weird noise in an unattended bag is suspect and needs to be dealt with carefully. Do you touch every snake you see because most of them in your area are non poisonous or are you careful to identify the species before approaching?

      I agree that TSA goes too far in some instances; just not this one. I have never seen a TSA agent "recoil in fear". I have seen them implement well thought ot security precautions to ensure the safety of the people they are sworn to protect.

      If it had been a bomb that went off and bystanders were killed what would you have said? Security has to deal with worst case scenarios.

    31. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      If you don't like toothbrush, how about lite-brite? Perhaps voltron is more to your liking.

      When I hear something that might be a snake, I go LOOK at it before drawing any conclusions. That is, I actually have a look and see if it's a risk or not. I do not evacuate the area first.

      In the TSA's case here, they effectively saw a hopping motion out of the corner of their eye and then yelled "LION!! RUN AWAY, ITS A LION!"

      Naturally, it turned out to be a bunny".

    32. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      When you hear a snake in a bag do you let people stand around while you dump it out on the floor? You were just looking.

      You still haven't answered what your comments would have been it it was a bomb and they had not cleared the area. OOPS?

    33. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be dumb enough to dump the snake out, just look in the bag (and when did the snake get into a bag?)

      In the extremely unlikely event that the bag had contained a buzzing bomb and had gone off before they could have a look inside and see it (and that is QUITE unlikely), I would say that it was an unfortunate happening and that I hope they catch the bomber.

    34. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Then you are much more forgiving that most people who would blame security for failing to protect people. Would you say the same thing if a loved one was killed in the explosion? I doubt it very much. Would your statement be different if the media said "People killed by terrorist bomb due to security incompetence"? Please be honest with yourself.

      Again it was a 30 minute closure of a small portion of one baggage handling area. Not an extreme measure.

    35. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear, I would not blame airport security at all. There would be nothing to forgive. Do we hold the police responsible for the crime rate being non-zero? Were the incident more personal, I might hope the bomber dies horribly when caught. However, in general running society based on the naturally irrational reactions of the recently berieved is a bad idea. We don't lower the speed limit on the interstate to 10mph even though it would certainly save lives.

    36. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      It is not reasonable to expect the police to stop all crime. Would lowering the speed limisa by 10mph to save the few lives be a reasonable trade off? In most people's minds, no. The point is that, even though you disagree, most people think that closing a small area for 30 minutes is a reasonable precaution.

    37. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      If most people really thought that, the headline would read "Airport disrupted by bomb scare" rather than the snarkier "Atlanta airport diverted by toothbrush" or the much snarkier "Scary Toothbrush Prompts Shutdown of World's Busiest Airport".

    38. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily considering it is quite popular in the media to take any shot at the TSA that they can. It is called reporting bias. Notice as neither of the latter two headlines are accurate as the whole airport was not shut down or diverted. They were both biased towards sensationalism to exaggerate what actually happened. Its like saying "Police Shut Down New York Streets" when all that actually happened was one intersection was closed due to an accident.

    39. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      And if people really felt the headlines were unfair, they'd complain and the headlines would become more neutral.

    40. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      You know as well as I do that sensation and not fact sells newspapers. Why do you think The Inquirer, et al do so well.

    41. Re:Billions of Fricken Dollars by sjames · · Score: 1

      The Inquirer isn't unfair, it's gonzo.

  8. Re:"Toothbrush", right ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was vibrating inside the bag, of course they called it a "toothbrush", I mean, what else could it be ... hehehe

    Apparently, it could have been a bomb. It said on the box that it was good for banging.

  9. Maybe by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    ...it was an electric ear cleaner

  10. What happens... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what happens when we let fear reign supreme. All common sense goes out the window.

    Seriously, logic and common sense seem to go out of the window whenever air travel is involved. The conversation should have gone something like this:

    Security Officer: Err, what's that buzzing noise

    Passenger: Whoops, looks like my toothbrush turned on, I'll just turn it off

    Note the distinct lack of mass panic and knee-jerk reactions.

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    1. Re:What happens... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      Except that the passenger was not present -- the offending article was in a checked bag.

      an electric toothbrush began vibrating inside a bag checked onto an AirTran flight

      You think baggage handlers are authorized to do anything but hit the panic button?

    2. Re:What happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it was a bomb, do you think it wouldn't have exploded instead of vibrated? Really?

    3. Re:What happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it was a bomb, do you think it wouldn't have exploded instead of vibrated? Really?

      Yes, because every last baggage handler is an expert on any and every improvised explosive device that has been or ever will be created by idiots lucky enough to nto have blown themselves up while tinkering in their basement.

    4. Re:What happens... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I kind of think they could have figured this out and solved the problem without shutting down the terminal for 40 minutes.....

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    5. Re:What happens... by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You think baggage handlers are authorized to do anything but hit the panic button?

      Given the number of iPads, computers, etc that get stolen EVERY DAY from someone's checked baggage I don't think there's anything baggage handlers aren't authorised to do. Between the thefts, the policy of having a specific lock that is easily opened by airport security, and the general lack of integrity in the industry I wouldn't be surprised if they spend their spare lunch hour wearing travelers dresses and scratching their balls with your toothbrush.

    6. Re:What happens... by a_hanso · · Score: 2

      My 2c to that: Security and freedom are divergent goals. If we want to be completely safe, we'll have to be locked up in our homes. We risk death or injury every time we step out into the world. I thought this is what the "land of the free and home of the brave" in your national anthem meant. If you want to be free, you just have to be brave.

    7. Re:What happens... by meerling · · Score: 1

      I'd bet the battery ran out of juice in a bit less than 40 minutes.

    8. Re:What happens... by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My 2c to that: Security and freedom are divergent goals. If we want to be completely safe, we'll have to be locked up in our homes. We risk death or injury every time we step out into the world. I thought this is what the "land of the free and home of the brave" in your national anthem meant. If you want to be free, you just have to be brave.

      They should really change the anthem "land of the trapped, home of the cowards". As it is whenever people around the world hear it today they just laugh at America.

      --
      In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
    9. Re:What happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That hypothetical scenario could only ever occur in a land of the free. You know, a home of the brave.

    10. Re:What happens... by isorox · · Score: 1

      Except that the passenger was not present -- the offending article was in a checked bag.

      an electric toothbrush began vibrating inside a bag checked onto an AirTran flight

      You think baggage handlers are authorized to do anything but hit the panic button?

      Every time I fly back from the states I have a note from the TSA saying they looked in my bag. They are authorised to search for vibrating objects, as well as remove and tamper with them

    11. Re:What happens... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      Every time I fly back from the states I have a note from the TSA saying they looked in my bag. They are authorised to search for vibrating objects, as well as remove and tamper with them

      Pretty much every time I've flown in the last 11 years -- which is as little as possible -- I find open zippers and sometimes stuff falling out of my bags. And they never even leave me a note. I assume they were just looking for something worth stealing, but apparently the possibility of getting caught and punished is so remote that they don't even need to attempt to cover their tracks.

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    12. Re:What happens... by sjames · · Score: 1

      How about instead of hitting the panic button, they pick up the phone and call someone who can make the judgement more effectively.

      Meanwhile, had they opened the bag (given how much stuff goes missing from luggage, we KNOW they know how to open a bag), I'm fairly sure even the less expert amongst us could recognize an electric toothbrush.

  11. This isn't news by kwerle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please add a TSA section so that I can ignore it.

    1. Re:This isn't news by Simpson,Homer_Jay · · Score: 1

      and Gaming!

      [ducks]

    2. Re:This isn't news by rastos1 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:This isn't news by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The headline didn't tip you off? I wish the mods would moderate stupid, pointless comments like yours to the "-1, offtopic" they ALL deserve. If you want to bitch about what stories are posted, do it in your journal so we don't have to see it.

    4. Re:This isn't news by kwerle · · Score: 1

      The headline didn't tip you off?

      It did. Much like book reviews generally say book review in the title. And yet there is a section.

      I wish the mods would moderate stupid, pointless comments like yours to the "-1, offtopic" they ALL deserve.

      At this time, the only moderation I've received is +1 insightful - so it seems I'm not alone in being sick of this crap.

      ... If you want to bitch about what stories are posted, do it in your journal so we don't have to see it.

      The title didn't tip you off?

      As for poisoning the comment space, my email address is clearly visible, there was no need for you to post your comment here.

      I disagree with your premise, however. I was commenting specifically on the topic. A little meta, but I think /. can handle it.

    5. Re:This isn't news by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The title didn't tip you off?

      I didn't have to click a link to see the comment, plus I had to scroll past all the other pointless comments responding to you.

  12. Good Vibrations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me Madam, but I believe your carry on luggage is calling you.

  13. Who's responsible... by pongo000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...for the hundreds of thousands of dollars it must cost to close the world's busiest airport? Is anyone held responsible? Who eats the losses? Do the good citizens of Atlanta? Or is the cost passed on to the airlines, which in turn pass them on to their customers?

    Maybe this is why my $600 flight overseas this spring comes with $800 in taxes and fees...because of electric toothbrushes.

    1. Re:Who's responsible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much are we going to pay if somebody just averts their eyes and pretends there isn't a problem just to save a few bucks one time or another?

      Remember that oil spill in the gulf? Did you know they could have stopped the drilling before it blew out? Why didn't they? Because that would have looked bad on the balance sheet if they were wrong.

    2. Re:Who's responsible... by jcaplan · · Score: 1

      The news report, contrary to the summary, states that part one terminal - not the whole airport - was shut down and that for only 40 minutes. The costs would be borne by the airline in terms of possible employee and fuel overtime since some planes must have been delayed.

    3. Re:Who's responsible... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      And those costs could be rather large, since a 40 min delay, on top of other delays, can push pilots past their 10 hour window.That means new pilots and crew. There's all sorts of funny rules regarding airlines and crews. And that increases the delays, which means more missed connections, and so on and so forth. It's not just 40 minutes. Mind you this is in checked baggage that's already gone through a scanner. What they really needed to do was just scan the bag again.

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    4. Re:Who's responsible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, no, it comes with $800 in taxes and fees because they like money.

      The inconvenience to the customer is absolutely irrelevant to them.

    5. Re:Who's responsible... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      How much are we going to pay if somebody just averts their eyes and pretends there isn't a problem just to save a few bucks one time or another?

      Using history as a guide, some 10 billion and 3 plane crash equivalent number of deaths each century somewhere in the world. Way below the monetary cost of doing nothing. It's too early to compare with the death toil of the new security measures (and we just don't collect the right stats), but they certainly wastes more lifetime than the do nothing option.

      But that is if you do absolutely nothing. That's clearly not the right answer. There are cheap, relaiable and hassle free actions that almost guarantee that nobody will steal a plane anymore, and there are expensive actions that create a lot of hassle and won't stop people from taking over a plane. In an ideal world, people would do the first set of actions, and avoid the later set. In a political correctness ruled world, people will do both sets of action because "you can't spare any effort for saving a life".

  14. Modern bombs don't tick... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    We never imply ownership of a toothbrush...

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    1. Re:Modern bombs don't tick... by Kaenneth · · Score: 0

      That would be more applicable in Heathrow airport.

  15. My experience at ATL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Posting AC as I actually work for an airline at ATL. Worked there for the past 6 years, and maybe 3-4 times I've discovered a vibrating object in a bag. The first time a supervisor took the bag to another, private room and opened it up. The second time, it was obviously an electric razor and I was able to actually turn it off from outside the bag by pressing the button. The most recent time, I was in a bin loading the plane, it was rainy and was a quick turn, so did nothing. The passenger can always put more batteries in when they get there. In any case, at no time have I ever seen parts of the airport closed down for something like this, and vibrating bags are almost never reported anyway, because everyone knows its not going to be a bomb, and you know the person that has to open the bag and checks sure as hell doesnt want to open up a bag and find a vibrator.

    1. Re:My experience at ATL by Tokolosh · · Score: 2

      Your common sense explains why you are forced to be an AC. Pretty sad.

      "Abundance of caution" Man, that covers a lot of idiocracy!

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    2. Re:My experience at ATL by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      you know the person that has to open the bag and checks sure as hell doesnt want to open up a bag and find a vibrator.

      Uh... people who's job it is to screen for dangerous stuff... are afraid of vibrators?

    3. Re:My experience at ATL by chihowa · · Score: 1

      you know the person that has to open the bag and checks sure as hell doesnt want to open up a bag and find a vibrator.

      Uh... people who's job it is to screen for dangerous stuff... are afraid of vibrators?

      Absolutely. Bombs in checked luggage don't exist (practically, the chances of any of these screeners ever finding a bomb during their entire career is effectively zero). Vibrators, however, do exist. Would you want to touch some stranger's vibrator? Who knows if they clean it, if they have STDs, ick?

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    4. Re:My experience at ATL by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      vibrating bags are almost never reported anyway, because everyone knows its not going to be a bomb

      Except the idiots at the AirTran terminal who shut the airport down, apparently.

  16. That does it! by CHIT2ME · · Score: 2

    All airports should be declared "No electric toothbrush or dildo zones"!!

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  17. Last Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buzzzzz

  18. Cost Benefit Lunacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We have devolved into a Country of lunatics who cannot do any kind of cost benefits analysis. It is just plain sad to see the Country go from a leader of the free world to a bunch of cowards willing to give up their freedoms for an illusion of security.

    There have been more deaths in the last decade from drownings and household fires each than from terrorists. Many more people a year take their own life than died in 9/11. Nearly 15 times as many people die PER year in car accidents than died in 9/11. Approximately 3 times as many 15-34 year olds are murdered EACH year than died in 9/11.

    1. Re:Cost Benefit Lunacy by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have devolved into a Country of lunatics who cannot do any kind of cost benefits analysis.

      No, we have devolved into a country of lawyers, and politicians who can do cost-benefit analysis.

      If something bad happened to that plane, then the lawyers would be lining up to sue someone/anyone, and that includes ATL, the airline, and any other government deep-pockets that were in any way involved. And the politicians know how bad it would look for them to be connected to this in any way, so their cost-benefit analysis goes something like this: "I cost a lost of money to a lot of people, the benefit is 1) a lawsuit won't stick to me, and 2) I can use it as an example of how I care about the public when it comes time to be re-elected."

    2. Re:Cost Benefit Lunacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cost-benefit analysis would be nice, yes! But that's exactly what we're griping about, that no sane person would ever think that this kind of tizzy in the face of a toothbrush is the cost-benefit winner. To close an airport and delay that many passengers surely has dire human consequences. How many people in that airport shortened their lives because they didn't have with them enough meds to cover an extra night in Atlanta? How many scientists who are working on serious problems had missed some key research meeting? How many doctors' visits had to get canceled or deferred? How many thousands ate shitty airport food instead of a healthy home-cooked meal? How many teenagers threw an ill-advised liquor party, because fuck it, their parents are stuck in Atlanta? How many spouses got cheated on for similar reasons? How many people died because their transplant organs were being shipped through Atlanta and expired en route? In a real cost benefit analysis, these and countless other consequences have to be quantified and evaluated. They are not far-fetched, given the vast number of people that are affected. Now compare that to the probability that the buzzing really is for some reason a dangerous thing, and that stopping the airport would remove that danger.

    3. Re:Cost Benefit Lunacy by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Exactly how many terrorist deaths would you find exceptable? 100? 1000?

  19. I think people are missing part of the story by joeflies · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the toothbrush in question was found in checked luggage. The story didn't say if it was a security person who found the bag, or if it was a baggage handler or some other person who doesn't have the right to inspect the bag. It wasn't a matter of going through the security checkpoint where the passenger is sitting in front of the bag and could get the toothbrush out and explain what it is. Now whether sounds require closing down the airport, that seems like a bit of overreaction.

    1. Re:I think people are missing part of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that seems like a bit of overreaction.

      Not a "bit". It was a total overreaction and without more information it would appear the lunatics are running the asylum.

      My theory on this is that they were running a TSA training exercise. They lie about because otherwise people would, rightly, complain to high heaven about it.

      I've seen a similar airport shutdown elsewhere that "just happened" to occur on the quietest part of the night on one of the quietest days of the year. Still cost thousands of man hours and huge amounts of money though and they didn't properly justify that one either. These people are a law unto themselves.

  20. Dear old people: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bombs neither tick nor vibrate anymore (that's if they ever did)...

    1. Re:Dear old people: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell phone activators might.

    2. Re:Dear old people: by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Then by the time it's vibrating...

    3. Re:Dear old people: by meerling · · Score: 4, Informative

      They never did.
      I've seen lots of the bombs (non explosive duplicates for training purposes) used by real terrorists in a little museum EOD had.
      Every one of them was a real item that had been used against Americans.
      Every one of them was indistinguishable from the item it was intended to duplicate, and often had full functionality.
      My favorite is still the telephone the detonated when you hung up.

      If you don't know, EOD is Explosives Ordinance Disposal. They are the people that deal with various bombs and booby-traps that aren't supposed to be there.

    4. Re:Dear old people: by meerling · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but it's not like you'll ever hear it go off.
      As everyone through out the world that works with explosives knows very well, you'll never hear the bomb that kills you.

    5. Re:Dear old people: by AlecC · · Score: 2

      They did - in the nineteenth century, when clockwork was the easiest available timing device. But only quietly, so they would be very hard to detect. But I doubt anybody put big red LEDs on electronic devices, ever.

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  21. O. M. Geewilikers by nikorvus · · Score: 1

    Was it a semi-automatic toothbrush?

    1. Re:O. M. Geewilikers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fully-automatic AND operational.

  22. This is preferable by fermion · · Score: 1
    To extended security checks and porno scanners. I spend about 15 more minutes in line than before the extended security. If we extend this to all passengers, that is 150 million hours of wasted time. These little incidents are minuscule in comparison.

    Furthermore, identifying and responding to these anomalies is exactly what we should be doing. With current security, all we are doing is preventing copycat terrorism. Talkin off shoes to respond to shoe bombers, naked scanner to respond to underwear bombers, no water to respond to, whatever it is responding to.

    It has been repeatedly said that a group of well trained observers identifying suspicious behavior and anomalous baggage would make much better security than the current situation which is simply a jobs program created by conservatives to artificially reduce the unemployment rate.

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    1. Re:This is preferable by darkfeline · · Score: 1

      no water to respond to, whatever it is responding to.

      Probably someone chugging nitroglycerin and throwing themselves against the lavatory wall. Apparently, someone didn't get the memo that that doesn't actually work.

  23. What sort of idiot... by SmarterThanMe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What sort of idiot bombmaker would make a bomb that vibrated, ticked or had a big freaking waste of money LED showing a countdown? It's right up there with literally having a red wire and a blue wire. The extension of this, then, is what sort of idiot "airport official" closes an airport because he saw something vibrate?

    1. Re:What sort of idiot... by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 0

      Alert secret service agents seized the toothbrush and wrestled it to the ground

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      They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
    2. Re:What sort of idiot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps to warn of impending detonation due to something all too familiar to users of older cellphones.

      Yes friends... butt-bombing is a danger to all who wish to claim their 73 virgins. Never forget to add an electric motor with an unbalanced weight on all your jihadi projects! The decadent infidels will just think it is sex toy and not want to touch it!

    3. Re:What sort of idiot... by oobayly · · Score: 1

      ... to all who wish to claim their 73 virgins

      Obviously the promise of 72 virgins wasn't working, so they're hoping a bonus virgin will reel martyrs in.

  24. Mooninite toothbrush by linebackn · · Score: 2

    Good thing it wasn't a Mooninite toothbrush with blinking LEDs flipping them off. Then they would have had to nuke it from orbit just to be sure. Because, you know, protect teh children.

    So, are we secure enough yet?

  25. It's been tried by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Screening by airline personnel was the standard prior to 9/11. It wasn't clearly better.

    1. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thus Government's TSA _must_ be better?

      The point of private screeners is that:
      1) they must obey law
      2) you have _options_

    2. Re:It's been tried by jschrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not aware of any TSA screening that found any terrorist suspect. But I'm aware of thousands of lost hours due to TSA screening for all travellers. I'm also aware of lost income from tourism who don't travel to USA any more, owing to the draconian processes at immigration. AFAICS, the changed screening process have done a lot of harm, and no good.

      Thus, I severely doubt hat airline personnel screening really wasn't better.

      But then, I'm European and I think we should not let the terrorists win by giving up our freedom, our civil liberties and our life style, as US folks often seems to believe to be necessary. I would have liked to say that this comes from much more terrorist attacks in Europe than in USA (albeight not such a big one as 9/11) -- but that's not true, KKK terrorism caused more deaths than 9/11 much earlier.

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    3. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure it wasn't better? I'd say it's clearly worse now... ergo it was clearly better then (not /good/ mind you... but better.)

    4. Re:It's been tried by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Screening by airline personnel was the standard prior to 9/11. It wasn't clearly better.

      I know the Internet helps to spread stories around a lot more today than they would've been pre-9/11, but I don't remember horror stories about airport screening being the everyday sort of thing that they are today. I never remember hearing a story about rape victims being sent to the ER after going through airport screening or security agents helping to disperse the ashes of dead relatives all over the security checkpoint. I find it utterly sad that I am in no way surprised that there are currently over 9000 (humor not intended) results in Google for "colostomy bag tsa", with a good number of them reporting on unique incidents spread out across a number of years. In fact, if anything, I'm surprised there are only that many.

      And yet you think that the old screening wasn't clearly better than what we have today? I'll take a little more risk if it means getting my dignity back.

    5. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the profit motive: If you don't let the terrorists onboard, then clearly they'll take their business elsewhere.

    6. Re:It's been tried by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Screening by airline personnel was the standard prior to 9/11. It wasn't clearly better.

      I remember it being clearly better.

    7. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It -was- clearly better.

      Sure it wasnt 100% effective, but neither is the TSA.

    8. Re:It's been tried by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I wasn't aware anything used in the 9/11 hijackings that wasn't allowed on aircraft. The only difference with the TSA is that the private security screened to FAA standards (and did no worse than TSA today). The TSA gets to make up its own rules as it goes. If the FAA changed the rules to the current standards and the TSA was disbanded tomorrow, security would be no worse than it was yesterday.

    9. Re:It's been tried by dave69 · · Score: 1

      count me as one of them lost tourists/fliers. I have spent lots of time in the USA, and have flown there from the UK on many occasions, before and after the 9/11 attacks. unfortunately, due to some rough treatment by customs/border guards on my last trip, I have flat out refused to ever go there again......

    10. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its only an excuse to let 'them' have more control. they already control what you eat and what you wat, what you drink and how you might enjoy yourself. now they want to control where you go and how long you stay, and what you can bring with you. remember your papers tho, this is what life is like in a free country(s).

    11. Re:It's been tried by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Screening by airline personnel was the standard prior to 9/11. It wasn't clearly better.

      It was clearly better, because they didn't have a mandate. The TSA has the right to push you around, and they know it, and they use it. If one airline pushed you around, you'd use another airline, but there's no competition for the TSA. State-enforced monopolies always lead to abuse.

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    12. Re:It's been tried by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I haven't flown since the mod eighties, but there was no screening at all. You paid your cash, got your ticket, and boarded. No ID checks, no x-ray scanners, no groping, no taking off your shoes, no emptying your pepsis..

      All I can think of is that the young people today are cowardly pussies, being so afraid of terrorists they'll allow this indignity.

    13. Re:It's been tried by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes it was. They were well motiveted to get the job done as quickly and painlessly as possible. Bag through x-ray, walk through the arch. If you actually had enough metal for it to detect, a quick pass with the wand, show them your belt buckle and you're off to the gate. Absolutely no x-raying people and no groping.

      That and the people involved understanding that they had very little authority beyond not letting you pass and the airlines recognizing that they were not immune to the civil courts if their employees stepped over the line made them avoid hiring the knuckle draggers.

      .

    14. Re:It's been tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screening by airline personnel was the standard prior to 9/11. It wasn't clearly better.

      I'll disagree with that. REASONABLE security measures were taken, you cannot take all possible precautions and still be able to travel by air. Everyone seems to forget that the 911 terrorists all had valid ID, valid boarding passes, and valid tarmac access. Considering all the times that the TSA has been in the news for letting knives and such through to the airplane (not to mention the C4 demolitions block that some returning military guy had in his luggage), I would wager that if a 911 style attack happened today it would still happen!.

      The TSA never has (and doubtless never will) foil a plot of any kind. However they do seem to excel at being panicked by ordinary objects, needlessly irradiating passengers, groping people's privates, attacking old people in wheelchairs, maliciously destroying medical equipment, helping themselves to other people's belongings, smuggling drugs, using their uniform to pretend to be police to force entry into private residences for purposes of rape, wasting BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars every year, bullying people just because they can, etc. etc. etc. And that rant only covers maybe 10% of their atrocities over the last year or two.

    15. Re:It's been tried by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Does a traffic cop parked at the top of a hill catch any speeders? No, because every one can see him and slows down. It's called deterrence. The TSA is deterrence, of course they don't catch anyone, no one tries. Has worked perfectly so far. Dangerous objects have gotten through but none meant to be used by bad guys.

  26. Misleading headline, airport wasn't shut down by DanTheManMS · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you read the full article (I know, I know, it's Slashdot) you'll find that only a portion of one of the two baggage claim areas was shut down from foot traffic, as well as the MARTA entrance near it, for about half an hour. Not even a full terminal was shut down, and certainly not the entire airport.

    Talk about exaggerating the truth, jeez.

    1. Re:Misleading headline, airport wasn't shut down by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, in defense of the summary, is does say the terminal, and by inference it is referencing the Air Tran terminal. Hartsfield-Jackson has 3 terminals: South (Delta and affiliates), North (everything else), and now the International terminal. The terminals are where you have check-in and baggage claim. It has 6 concourses, which is where the flights are. Air Tran uses the southern half of C and D concourses (C is split with Southwest, who of course now owns Air Tran). So, if you know the airport layout and terminology, you could figure out what ares were or would be closed and what wouldn't, technically making the summary correct. The headline, however, should say "part of world's busiest airport".

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    2. Re:Misleading headline, airport wasn't shut down by DanTheManMS · · Score: 1

      Ah, you're right. In my mind I had "terminal" and "concourse" combined into the same term. I thought the summary was saying they shut down, say, Concourse C entirely.

  27. 1000 Airport Evacuations by kawabago · · Score: 2

    Zero terrorist plots foiled.

    1. Re:1000 Airport Evacuations by darkfeline · · Score: 2

      No, no, you misunderstand, the evacuations ARE the terrorist plots. Spreading FUD and all that.

  28. Terror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terror spread by terrorists invades US airports. Terrorists officially won. GG.

  29. Possible Terrorist Attack Vector by James+McGuigan · · Score: 1

    Could this not in of itself be used as a possible terrorist attack vector.

    Load a vibrating toothbrush (or dildo), with a timer switch, into the checked in luggage of at airports across the US. While the devices themselves are perfectly harmless, you could effectively shut down the entire US air transportation network for hours, and cause massive secondary economic damage (due to missed flights and delayed schedules).

    You don't even need to buy plane tickets, just sneak a time delayed dildo into unsuspecting passenger luggage, or even just a series of airmail packages sent across the nation. The attack could be repeated almost indefinitely, at random intervals, and would be difficult to detect via the TSA X-Ray scanners.

    This would not even be technically illegal (the plane, the airport and the passengers where never in any real danger)... though the killjoy TSA may eventually respond by explicitly adding dildos (and toothbrushes) to the no-fly list of forbidden objects

    1. Re:Possible Terrorist Attack Vector by oobayly · · Score: 1

      A small refinement:
      1. Short the shares of an airline
      2. Target that airline only
      3. Watch mayhem ensue
      4. ???
      5. Profit

      Oh wait, we're trying to highlight the TSA's incompetence, not make money. Sorry, my bad.

      Actually, adding dildos, electric toothbrushes & razors to the no-fly list could be a good thing - the more harmless stuff they ban, the more likely the average person will turn around and say "enough already".

  30. 'an abundance of caution' by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A euphemism for panic. These people are cowards.

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    1. Re:'an abundance of caution' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I respectfully disagree. "An excess of caution" would be a euphemism. "Abundance" is just intellectually dishonest.

  31. They just did not want to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you see the size of that dildo It was so big it fucked the whole airport.

  32. My stupid story by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    I can not cast stones at these people as I recently arrived home from a trip to find that there was a horrible buzzing noise in my house. I could hear the noise from the front door and thought it might be the furnace; no joy. Maybe the fridge, nyet. Oh no my computer, nope. But no matter where I went it was of roughly even volume. Then as I took off my backpack I realized it was my electric toothbrush buzzing in the backpack. So my little lesson is that you hear the sound you are expecting. In a airport the paranoid are expecting bombs and so they hear bombs.

    1. Re:My stupid story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one smart enough to take batteries out of things before flying with them?

    2. Re:My stupid story by darkfeline · · Score: 1

      Did you check the toilet? Or maybe the bread? No, because those things don't vibrate. Likewise, bombs don't vibrate either. Any normal person's expectations, in order, would be something like: phone, toothbrush, razor, massager, vibrator. If someone hears a vibration and hears a bomb, he/she should have that checked. After all, we deem people who look at a toothbrush and see a blood-stained knife clinically insane, no?

    3. Re:My stupid story by meerling · · Score: 1

      Unless it has an integral battery like most rechargeable toothbrushes in which case cutting it open to remove the battery will probably destroy it.

    4. Re:My stupid story by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I could see a really crappy bomb fizzing or whatnot if it the contents ignited instead of detonating. Years ago I flew model rockets and the occasional one would do something strange. It wasn't uncommon for one to ignite, smoke for a huge amount of time, and then sort of fly. Keep in mind that these bozos are potentially cobbling these things together and are likely to not get it quite right.

      Given the first thought of most baggage handlers is: dildo followed by razor or toothbrush it is pretty dumb. But I don't think they are hiring from the leading engineering schools. They are getting guys from the hardware store where a guy told me the new LED lights don't break because instead of a filament they use a spark. Did I give him a quick lecture in Quantum physics; it would have probably have been as useful as telling this guy that all those training videos document the least likely thing in peoples' bags.

  33. Dumb shits! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The dumb phrase 'out of an abundance of caution.' is bureaucratspeek for I CANT FIND MY ASS

    MFG, omb

    1. Re:Dumb shits! by meerling · · Score: 2

      That phrase is also used by cowards to explain their inappropriate actions based upon unfounded fears when they think they can get away with it.

  34. You Gotta Watch Out For Those Toothbrushes! by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Someone could have killed a whole lot of gingivitis!

    Funnily enough I taught myself lock picking with the sole intent of breaking into my manager's car on the day of a business trip and adding a stainless steel revenge dildo to his luggage. Never did get a chance to do that. I'm pretty sure 4 D cells would keep it vibrating for hours, plenty long enough for him to get into airport security...

    Yeah... I'm a bad person.

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  35. What I want to do... by Kaenneth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to have a bright red LED countdown, strapped to some modeling clay, and leave in in a closet at home, continually going 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 5...

    Anyone breaking into my house might need to steal a new pair of pants.

    I am much to lazy to ever actually build such a device, but it's amusing to think of scenarios. Maybe ThinkGeek can market them; next to the annoying beeping device (that would make a good combo deal actually...)

    1. Re:What I want to do... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      5 seconds won't work. You have to give them a few (3?) minutes to leave your house and get clear of it. "Self Destruct" sequence triggered whenever closet door is opened.

      To be more convincing have a numeric key pad to enter a disarm code (which stops the countdown).

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  36. Chuck Norris toothbrushes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    arent allowed in aircraft baggage for obvious reasons.

  37. Re:Both Toothbrush.... by ls671 · · Score: 0

    ... and it's owner where shoot 38 times. Each.
    Only way to be sure.

    Orly way to be sure.
    Use a submachine gun!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Airport#Incidents.2C_accidents_and_attacks

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  38. Laugh by koan · · Score: 2

    I'm reminded of a Fight Club scene "Of course it's company policy never to, imply ownership in the event of a dildo... always use the indefinite article a dildo, never your dildo. "

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  39. First we had the suspicious flashlight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. and now we have scary toothbrushes. What happens when vacuum cleaners begin to oppose our freedom?

  40. Making dentists happy everywhere since 2013 by Jetra · · Score: 1

    I expect an increase in lack of oral hygiene as people stop brushing their teeth because they're afraid of having Anthrax on it or something. Happy Halloween 2013, everyone if I don't see you in the chair.

  41. mod where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please, mods in this thread, learn how to use your points.

  42. Batteries not included? by darkfuture · · Score: 1

    Aren't batteries banned from checked in luggage? Or is that only for international flights?
    I have had to remove batteries from checked in suitcases before, that was before 911. Also, I was not allowed to pack a spare notebook battery in checked baggage.
    This was not in the US.

    1. Re:Batteries not included? by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Aren't batteries banned from checked in luggage? Or is that only for international flights?

      They are banned in international flights (or better, there are packaging and labeling requirements). There aren't general rules about what is allowed or not in domestic flights, each country determines its own rules.

  43. Worse than that, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's proof that the security circus cannot possibly protect us against exploding what-is-it-this-weeks.

    Think about it. The Israelis have bomb-proofed checking lines so a bomb in one line doesn't hurt others. The USoA and everywhere where they listened to the USoA they have a large room full of people milling around before the spendy scanners that just asks for a chunky salsa making attack. If the Israelis think your luggage is suspect, they drop it in a bomb-proofed cart and wheel it down to an even more bomb-proofed bunker. It can do whatever it likes there. I expect they did the same with luggage handling. Everywhere else, they try and evacuate large amounts of people for just one suspect package, which in all likelihood is something innocuous. This takes ages and is itself risky.

    Would I have terrorist motives, I'd know who to attack, and how: I'd supply a steady stream of fake packages to protected points until people get so sick of it they start to sing along with the alarm bells. Then I'd deliver some payload or other to do a lot of damage. Unless I had a government at my disposal, of course. Then I'd have not one, but at least two TSAs compete for the ability to deliver the most harassment such that it doesn't quite result in lawsuits. Free market, see?

    At any rate, the Israelis have this right: You don't evacuate thousands, tens of thousands of people for but a suspect package. You take the package out of the crowd. Much easier, safer, faster, cheaper.

    The fact that supposedly the most advanced security agency (cough) of the most advanced nation (cough) on earth, after some ten years of daily practice, and budget enough to hire every major expert in the field if they'd not squander it on expensive pork-barrel kit to fill warehouses, has yet to discover the obvious with both ready access to working, practical examples of how to do it and why the alternative is sheer folly, only makes more painfully obvious what is already well-known:

    The TSA is not there for anyone's safety. It's a pork barrel type club providing job security for the most thuggish of rent-a-cops, and suppliers of useless security kit. It's great if you're part of the security-industrial complex (the civilian arm of that other complex), not so much if you're anyone else.

    The only fix is to do away with it wholesale, and blackball everyone who's ever been employed by them or has supplied security kit to them, and any and all backing politicians. They're not fit to work for our public dollars or be our representatives. Yes, this is going to hurt. It is meant to.

  44. No, AMERICA WAKE UP, this is your SUE culture by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    People, none of this has anything to do with terrorism, it is the US culture of making a lawsuit for billions out of EVERYTHING. It creates an atmosphere were procedures are made for everything and as long as you follow them to the letter YOU as an individual and hopefully the company are safe from the most frivilous lawsuits.

    Take for instance the opening of a package. Who here is going to volunteer to be on constant call to open EVERY suspicious package, with NO gear? Just be on standby in your jeans and a t-shirt to open any and all packages that trigger an alarm. Thought so. Oh, you might think 99.99999999% are safe but I didn't put a limit on the number of times you have to be on call.

    Forcing an ordinary employee to open suspicious packages COULD result in a claim for emotional stress. So policy is to ALWAYS inform the police. If the police just sends an ordinary cop without clearing the area and something DOES happen, they will be sued for billions and so a policy is made to ALWAYS clear the area AND send in the specialists.

    BREAK the policy and you are not just not following the rules and disobeying the boss, the insurance companies might well use it as an excuse to cancel a policy. The media might also get on your case for being a cowboy who does whatever. Media only cares about headlines they happily rant on day about out of control bureaucracy and the next about government employees not following the rules. Same as the media want to get though on drink driving then whine about police spot checks for drink driving.

    Fire drills are the most common thing ordinary people have to deal with where silly rules have to be followed and when an alarm goes of by accident and EVERYONE knows it is false, you still have to go outside because if you don't the people responsible for the evacuation plan are in trouble and they are in trouble because there have been incidents in which people stayed in a building that was really on fire because someone told them to stay because he/she thought it wasn't important.

    You see, those stories you read about a factory owner locking all the doors and dozens of people dying in a fire because they couldn't go out, THAT is the result of people NOT following the silly policy of ALWAYS keeping fire exists clear. Such a nuisance when the fire marshal cites you for having a few boxes learning against the door, what a silly policy.

    It would be nice if readers of slashdot who are supposed to be above average intelligence had a little bit more common sense and knowledge about HOW the world operates.

    Conditions surrounding a suspicious package, once something has triggered an alarm:

    • The package handler should just open it: you want baggage handlers to be able to open any package they wish to and mess with stuff inside it?
    • You have filed with your attorney a legally binding statement that in the case of you dying an avoidable dead, no legal action is to be taken against the person(s) who didn't take appropriate action?
    • Modern bombs don't thick. So? Terrorists are hipsters who think bombs that worked for decades are beneath them?
    • What is the next thing to be dangerous: It doesn't have to be a bomb, the buzzing can be anything that could create an issue on a plane, you want a baggage handler to judge whether YOUR luggage is safe when he doesn't know what is in it?

    The reason I am kinda upset with all the people who hate procedure is that this is an IT site, are the same people who hate procedure the same people who never make a backup, edit code live on the production machines, don't run test scenarios? Silly procedures are there to catch to make sure that when something odd happens, people know what to do and don't start getting creative. I have spend to much time cleaning up after creative people to think that improvisation is a good thing.

    Yes it sucks when the world derails around you and you are once again reminded how easy it is for ONE tiny unthoughtful action to ruin the flow of the u

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  45. Who claims it was a bomb by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    It could have been a device that started working because of a leaking battery, said leak corroding something else, creating heat and bam, fire in the cargo hold at 10km up.

    Bombs are hardly the biggest danger to airlines, lots of crashes have been caused by cargo causing fires or exploding.

    Anyway, if your suitcase causes damage to another suitcase, who has to pay? The airline.

    But hey, if you are so smart you can see through baggage to see what the issue is, why don't YOU go work as a baggage handler and safe us all?

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    1. Re:Who claims it was a bomb by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Funny, a leaking battery has never caused something of mine to start, quite the opposite actually. They then tend to corrode the very small amounts of copper and steel in direct contact with the battery. Finally, I've only noticed a leaking battery after opening up the flame retardant casing because it doesn't work.

      But hey, if you are so scared that you jump at the sight of your own shadow, keep it up - it gives us something to laugh at.

    2. Re:Who claims it was a bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It could have been a device that started working because of a leaking battery, said leak corroding something else, creating heat and bam, fire in the cargo hold at 10km up.

      Of course, checked bags are all individually identified, so it's fairly trivial to pull a "suspicious" bag, set it aside, call the owner, and deal with the "issue." It hardly requires shutting down the airport subway or delaying flights.

    3. Re:Who claims it was a bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But hey, if you are so smart you can see through baggage to see what the issue is, why don't YOU go work as a baggage handler and safe us all?

      This is why there are X-ray machines ALL over airports. Even, in most airports, available for checked luggage. The TSA can, in fact, see through baggage.

  46. What has this world come to? by Damouze · · Score: 1

    What has this world come to when buzzing objects in people's luggage scares us to the point that entire airports are shutdown?

    This only shows that the terrorists have already won. They no longer need to bomb our cities. All they need to do to cause wanton panic and disturb daily life is to put something in someone's bag that vibrates...

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  47. World's busiest Airport ??? by Coeurderoy · · Score: 1

    Somehow it seems weird that so many people actually want to go to atlanta ...
    I guess it's the "hub thingy".... but atlanta, seriously ...

  48. Could air traffic be brought to its knees by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    By the coordinated and strategic placement of electric toothbrushes in a number of key airports around the United States?

    (Coming up next on 24.)

  49. Shutdown? Try 30-60 minute delay. by perlith · · Score: 1
    I know RTFA is unusual around here, but:

    was interrupted for more than half an hour Friday morning because of a toothbrush. [...] A portion of the North Terminal baggage claim area was cordoned off while the bag was investigated, officials said. Airport passengers and MARTA passengers were diverted to the Terminal South entrance.

    Good job by Atlanta airport for having sensible policies and rerouting traffic in the event of a real threat.

  50. Re:Shutdown? Try 30-60 minute delay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good job by Atlanta airport for having sensible policies and rerouting traffic in the event of a real threat.

    How long have you been employed by TSA?

  51. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So did the guy owning the toothbrush pay for the damage and delays he caused?

  52. not caution... by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Out of an abundance of stupidity

  53. Toothbrushes can too be scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  54. Ban the toothbrush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can always buy one on the other side of security.....

  55. RTFA by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    If you bothered to read the article before posting your rant you would have seen that the airport was not shut down. Here is the relevant part of the article;

    A portion of the North Terminal baggage claim area was cordoned off while the bag was investigated, officials said. Airport passengers and MARTA passengers were diverted to the Terminal South entrance.

    One baggage handling area is not the whole airport. Flights continued to land and take off.

    As for the Amtrak Police chief, it is quite possible that someone might be afraid of losing his cushy job of TSA takes over.