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Has CES Lost Its Star Appeal?

An opinion piece by tech writer David Gilbert looks at how CES might be losing some of its luster. "It's hard to know who the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) really benefits. A common perception is that CES is the place where all the major technology companies launch their latest and greatest gadgets. But this is simply not the case. Let's look at 2012 as an example. Last year's most talked about consumer technology products (in no particular order) were: the iPhone 5, iPad 3, iPad mini, Microsoft Surface, Samsung Galaxy S3, Google Nexus 7, Amazon Kindle Fire HD and the Wii U. How many were launched at CES 2012? None."

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  1. Um, good? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The journo in the article is saying that CES is failing because companies no longer use it to launch their latest iteration of gadget. Instead, it's being used to showcase their pie-in-the-sky aspirations. It's becoming less a PR mouthpiece, and more a tech demo for cool, but not production-ready, tech.

    In my opinion, that can only be a good thing.

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    1. Re:Um, good? by Denihil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it's become a showroom full of flying cars. they're super awesome, but they're not quite at production status yet,

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    2. Re:Um, good? by Dave+Emami · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, Microsoft is absent this year, but Apple hasn't been there for ages, so any complaints about Microsoft apply to Apple many times over.

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    3. Re:Um, good? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      CES has been drowning for awhile, now. It's too soon after the new year for people to have any energy and really prepare. It's filled with crap that is too far in the future to be relevant, but too close to today to be interesting (for example, 4k televisions -- which are too expensive and far away from being even remotely affordable but too near in our future to be pie-in-the-sky-fantasy-interesting). It's filled with wireless speakers, soundbars, ipad covers, iphone attachments, shitty phones, next year's shitty ultrabooks and tablets that will be considered a failure the year after *that*, and lots of shitty little gimmicks. It's basically like being subscribed to the Engadget website's RSS feed, but in meats-space. Ick.

      I feel bad for people who have to attend CES to report on it, these days. Especially those doing it for TV and net shows, where they have to produce a lot of content in quick succession. Dealing with the crowds and Vegas itself and the endless halls of schlocky garbage for what amounts to very little that really gets your tech-buzz or day-dreaming purring seems like an absolutely miserable task.

    4. Re:Um, good? by gtirloni · · Score: 2

      Sheeeesh. You're sounding too rational for /.

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  2. Snookie Fones by Cryacin · · Score: 2
    From TFA:

    But travelling halfway around the world to see someone from Jersey Shore launch a pair of headphones, just doesn't seem to be cut it anymore.

    Yeah, that's reason enough for me to run for the hills.

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  3. Horrible article - auto-plays video by Rurik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An article that automatically plays two videos, one with full audio, upon being loaded? Such actions should preclude such articles from being posted.

    Won't somebody please think of the bandwidth?!

    1. Re:Horrible article - auto-plays video by jaapkroe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why.. you mean people actually click those links??

  4. Tech is commodified now by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's no longer something surprising, or requiring "buzz" from a tradeshow. No one attends tradeshows for farm equipment except other farmers and a few mech engs here and there. We just open the fridge and expect a complex world-wide net of dependencies to put an apple in the bin.

    Same with technology. It's a faceless world-wide empire of giant companies, no one cares except the people directly involved in creating the things. We just shop online, say "ohh shiny" and buy whatever.

    Stuff is also a lot cheaper so there's less risk in buying things on sight alone. Back when an empty motherboard cost thousands of dollars, it made sense to spend time and money to check things out in person. Not anymore.

    The only thing that can change that equation is booth babes.

    Where is Ceren Ercen these days anyhow?

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    1. Re:Tech is commodified now by mystik · · Score: 3, Informative
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  5. Large companies don't use CES that way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have there own conferences and that is where they announce there latest and greatest product. Given that these companies are the ones with the advertising dollars it is no wonder CES isn't where the most talked about product launches are announced/demonstrated. That doesn't mean CES doesn't have cool stuff. It just means it is smaller companies and/or not leading products from the largest companies that end up at CES.

  6. Changing market by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A lot of the new technology is more mobile related, that is usually presented at Barcelona instead.

    Also, lot if not all of those announcements were done by big companies doing their own, exclusive events, focused mostly single products, very awaited and with long enough preannoucements campaigns, usually not meant for shared space/attention with other companies.

  7. Not surprised... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fairly well known musicians play at music festivals, where they can be one of many drawing people to go there. Superstars hold a concert and fill a stadium all by themselves. Why launch at CES if you're big enough to get all the attention you want on your own without sharing the spotlight?

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    1. Re:Not surprised... by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      "Why launch at CES if you're big enough to get all the attention you want on your own without sharing the spotlight?"

      Not saying this is the case at CES, but I see some good reasons for a superstar to share the spotlight with other stars. Winning in the Olympics, where there are more star athletes, gives you more prestige than winning at a sports event where your competitors aren't quite world class. So I say it depends. If you have a mediocre product, launching at the same tech show as Apple would be the kiss of death. But if you're Apple and you know you have a great product or at least one that "looks" great to the industry press, then it wouldn't hurt to be the supernova that outshines a galaxy of so-so gadgets.

    2. Re:Not surprised... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      But if you're huge like Apple and you launched your product at a show where there is potentially another product better yours, its damaging to your brand.

      If you're huge you stand out on your own surrounded by your own marketing. Everyone in attendance can go "wow" instead of "wow, that does almost everything that product over there does"

  8. Microsoft always last to leave the party by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft is famously last to leave the party. Remember Comdex? After years of scatch-your-eyes-out boring keynotes by Bill Gates, it finally bit the biscuit. Microsoft kept going right to the bitter end. Replay at CES: Microsoft to announce the walking wounded XBox 720 without the remotest chance of keeping up with even mid specced PCs, and with idie revival the new game in town. Clue train on the way, last stop is Microsoft.

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  9. CES glory days were the 1980s by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CES's glory days were the 1980s, during the first personal computer boom. Then, everyone I think introduced stuff at CES... I remember reading old Compute! and Byte for goings on at the CES - there were reviews of the new Ataris, Apples, Commodores... and then I think even console systems were introduced there as well. So, CES meant, PC in its exciting newness, and already the luster faded a bit as computers became more commonplace. I imagine CES is still pretty cool, and if I were a retailer, I would think I'd want to check it out for the not marquee labels that introduce things that might still sell. But its not the center of the computing universe that, for one brief time, it was.

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    1. Re:CES glory days were the 1980s by bmo · · Score: 2

      > the luster faded a bit as computers became more commonplace

      Not just commonplace, but the diversity and creativity has disappeared from the market.

      The luster faded as the field narrowed from literally hundreds of different platforms, to just two for the consumer level, and then eventually, one, for the desktop (OSX machines are just IBM PC clones with a different OS). There's only a little bit of excitement for portable platforms, but again, there hasn't been anything Earth-shattering for the journos to get excited about. You get a choice between just three major platforms, ARM, Apple, and x86/x86-64.

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      Meh.

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  10. Not saying this is cause and effect, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    2013 is the first year Microsoft has missed CES since 1995. In fact, either Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer usually delivers the CES keynote. This year, no booth, no Surface, no Windows 8, no Windows Phone, no Xbox, nada.

    2013 also marks the shift in scheduling: AEE (Adult Entertainment Expo, the industry convention for porn stars) is now being held the week *after* CES, instead of *the same week* on the Vegas strip (which used to give both presenters and attendees extra incentive to book a trip to CES).

    Coincidence? Ah yeah, I guess..

    1. Re:Not saying this is cause and effect, but... by soundguy · · Score: 2

      AEE changed the schedule in 2012. Also, instead of holding it at the gigantic Sands Expo like they did for years, they physically moved the show to several very small and wholly inadequate separate conference rooms at The Hard Rock Hotel. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson, because they are holding it there again this year.

      Since there were buses to the LVCC from the Sands all day long, you could travel between the shows easily. I think AEE moved because their main crowd got tired of paying the "jacked-up-5-times-higher-than-normal" room rates during CES.

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    2. Re:Not saying this is cause and effect, but... by mu51c10rd · · Score: 2

      He goes there for the articles...

  11. I dont care about any tradeshow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea of a tradeshow somehow being important is just stupid. Its companies showcasing their products, they dont need a show to do that. They could just do it themselves without wasting millions of dollars. Samsung want to show off some kick ass new tv with video, descriptions and pictures? They could do that on their website anytime they want to.

    Tradeshows are basically just scams run by the people who operate them. Companies spend a lot of money and time and energy to be at them for no real reason. If companies actually collectively said "We spent like 8 million bucks going to e3 and ces. How about we dont do that this year, save 8 million bucks and just advertise on our websites" then ces would be no more and millions would be saved.

    I know tradeshows are just ways of getting advertising time and all but I just dont give a shit.

    1- I still cant own or purchase items at a tradeshow so I dont care.

    2- I can read about products in articles on companies websites or read related news on websites I frequent.

    3- You dont actually learn anything from tradeshows and can not get an honest opinion because youre seeing a carefully crafted and setup demo unit. You dont get to see the real world end product or hear opinions on it from people who have used the product for any length of time in the real world. I dont buy tech stuff anymore until its been out atleast a month.

    4- Tradeshows made a lot of sense back in the day. But when I can read previews before a product even comes out at a hundred websites, see a thousand video reviews once it comes out and basically get every single bit of information I could possibly want and a whole lot more on the internet anytime I want it, why do I need a tradeshow? The internet and google are my personal tradeshow thats there for me 24 hours a day. You can get information anywhere and anytime you want now. Back in the day all you had were magazines and occasional newsletters so a tradeshow was important because it allowed people to connect, but now I can connect with anyone in the world while sitting on a toilet in a airplane flying over the ocean.

    I get so much god damn advertising, sales pitches and annoying slogans thrown at me in my life everyday the last thing I want is to subject myself to more of it in a giant room of high concentration sales people. I went to e3 awhile back 3 years in a row and god damn, the was enough to last me my whole life.

    1. Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But when I can read previews before a product even comes out at a hundred websites, see a thousand video reviews once it comes out and basically get every single bit of information I could possibly want and a whole lot more on the internet anytime I want it, why do I need a tradeshow?

      Do you work in sales, marketing or business development? I go to numerous shows per year, and they're all about the meetings that go on in the background. Discussions around sales channels, marketing, training - Pricing. Trade shows are an opportunity where eveyone is already all together, so they're a highly efficient way to get business done. You can go on one plane flight instead of 20.

    2. Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Tradeshows are basically just scams run by the people who operate them. Companies spend a lot of money and time and energy to be at them for no real reason... I just dont give a shit.

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      I get so much god damn advertising, sales pitches and annoying slogans thrown at me in my life everyday the last thing I want is to subject myself to more of it in a giant room of high concentration sales people. I went to e3 awhile back 3 years in a row and god damn, the was enough to last me my whole life.

      All good and dandy, dude, but... are you somehow saying the free t-shirts you've got in 3 years at e3 are enough to last you an entire life?

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  12. Surprising but not completely unexpected by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    > "How many were launched at CES 2012? None."

    Even Belladonna introduced her latest VigorTech(r) WiFi remote-controlled dildory elsewhere. Even the basement at CES is empty now.

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  13. It's not what it use to be anyplace else either by bobjr94 · · Score: 2

    I was in my local computer store a few weeks ago, the store is now cut in half, a minimum of products and just one employee working. Back from the mid 90's to mid 2000's that store was always hopping, 4 or 5 people working at any time, always full of customers, ads and weekly flyers. Most of the other local computer stores closed up in the 2005-2008 range. Electronics have lost their appeal, they are becoming like appliances. People don't rush out and line up to buy the new 2013 kenmore microwave or get excited the new maytag washer has 1 more washing mode than before.

  14. Yes. by scottbomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ever since they kicked out the consumer.

    1. Re:Yes. by Jetra · · Score: 2

      It's not that, it's just that technology isn't what people expected. We were all hyped about 3D. It comes and it's a flop. Blu Ray came and that didn't really get much attention. Hell, we still use DVDs in my house.

  15. We have the Internet now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We don't really need trade shows to show us new products and technology anymore.

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  16. Google chose ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T from CES2012 by CFrankBernard · · Score: 3, Informative

    The prototype ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T was revealed at CES 2012 and its release delayed when Google chose it as the Nexus 7.

  17. Times have changed by asmkm22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just like ComDex, CES is becoming irrelevant due to the internet. The whole point of trade shows was always to get the reporters and salesman in front of new products and (hopefully) generate some positive press leading to consumer demand. Once the internet started to go big, and magazine reviews weren't quite as necessary for product exposure, the tradeshows tried to almost evolve into entertainment expos.

    The final nail in the coffin has been when individual studios or manufacturers get enough industry cloud to host their own tradeshow, which just fractures the already weakened idea.

    CES reminds me a lot of Kodak and Polaroid and other older businesses that have chosen to brute force their way into the future, rather than change their models to fit it. It never works out.

  18. Re:Consumers vs Techs by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thing is, it wasn't a consumer show. It was a journalist show. There's no such thing as a consumer show anyway - if consumers were excited enough about the goods in question, they'd be tech enthusiasts by definition.

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  19. Re:Electronic organizer by vlm · · Score: 2

    That's not following the herd, and manufacturers are only allowed to participate in herd behavior. There really isn't much at a place like CES. Its like having 50 farmers at a farmers market all selling genetically identical potatoes and claiming they're the pinnacle of variety because there's 50 of them, missing the point that all 50 are doing exactly the same thing the other 49 have done, and almost exactly the same thing they've done for 10 years.

    The specs you listed are pretty much a brand new HP50G calculator for about $90 from amazon. Sadly its basically identical to my HP48 from about 20 years ago other than minor specsmanship. Unless they've removed something in the last 20 years, it has a tolerable little alphanumeric keyboard, it syncs via a cable to my PC (I used to use ckermit around linux ver 1.2 to transfer programs and data off the '48). It uses AAA batteries which do last a rather long time, depending on usage. Maybe during my school years a set of batteries only lasted a semester, but that was pretty intense use. For me, $90 is cheap. I believe its cheaper than what I paid for my '48 20 years ago, and "everyone other than me" pays more than $90/month for cellphone, etc. So... yeah, the flagship hp calculator would do. Its not "new" so its not going to be at CES, its basically a quarter century old.

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  20. Re:Consumers vs Techs by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    consumer modifies electronics... they are consumer electronics... it isn't a *consumer* electronics show, it is a *consumer electronics* show

    Exactly. It's stuff that's going to show up to buy later tihs year, hopefully. Or at least supposed to - CES does have a habit of showing off really cool stuff that ends up not getting released in the end.

    Though, I think "consumer electronics" has gotten very broad, given there's a whole bunch of non-consumer electronics out there as well. Stuff like RED cameras (a year's disposable income, anyone?) and lots of vendors showing off their new SoCs with the latest geegaws, but not something most people buy, but what the Apples/Samsungs/Asuses/etc buy.

    Sort of like how E3 ("Electronic Entertainment") is really more about video games than any form of electronic entertainment (which can include anything from Netflix and the like to those dinky handheld games).

  21. Re:Google chose ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T from CES2 by theurge14 · · Score: 2

    "ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T"

    Wow, did someone get paid to come up with this name?