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Microsoft Patents Tech That Would Silence Your Phone For You

tsamsoniw writes "Microsoft has filed a patent for a mobile technology called Inconspicuous Mode, aimed at helping you not be 'that guy' who disrupts movies, meals, or meetings with noisy, bright-screened phone alerts. It's a setting that would effectively put your phone in stealth mode when the device sensed it was in a movie theater (thanks to location information) and that the lights had gone down. The idea is, you could still receive alerts if a call or text came in, but no one around you would be disturbed by phone sounds or screen flashes."

251 comments

  1. Already got it. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I already have a phone that does this. As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed. And I even still receive alerts if a call or text came in. Amazing technology.

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    1. Re:Already got it. by amRadioHed · · Score: 1, Funny

      You turn your phone to off, and still get alerts if a call or text come in? That is amazing!

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    2. Re:Already got it. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I sure will, when I turn it back on. And the vibrate mode is a single switch, at least on my phone.

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    3. Re:Already got it. by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Informative

      I already have a phone that does this. As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed. And I even still receive alerts if a call or text came in. Amazing technology.

      Yes Apple already patented the technology, silencing the phone based on GPS location. Similar to geofencing that came out in iOS 5

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    4. Re:Already got it. by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, this is also about shutting down somebody else's annoying phone.

      Which I can do, too - it's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple sledgehammer.

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    5. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It may not be as elegant, but flipping the smartphone to vibrate is good enough for me.

      I like having my device notify me on my terms. On Android, I can have the device not ring or alert at certain times of the night. On iOS, Do Not Disturb mode is similar.

      Geolocation is interesting, but there are a number of issues. If I'm passing by a movie theater and needing to get an important call, will the device give me the option to ignore the marked location, or will it think it is better than I and mute the phone?

      Then, there is the tinfoil hat aspect, which I'm sure others will bring up too... it is far-fetched, but something noteworthy: The same technology that can mute the phone in a theater can be used to disable cameras.

    6. Re:Already got it. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      I already have a phone that does this. As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed. And I even still receive alerts if a call or text came in. Amazing technology.

      Yes Apple already patented the technology, silencing the phone based on GPS location. Similar to geofencing that came out in iOS 5

      Cute, Apple patents something in 2012 that I've had on my Android phone since 2010 (little app called WhereRing). That sort of thing never happens.

      Minor bitch, a script that takes input from existing sensors and uses said input to cause a particular action in existing hardware is not what I would refer to as "technology."

      "Bloody obvious" would be a good alternate term.

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    7. Re:Already got it. by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a case for the StackExchange Patents site.

    8. Re:Already got it. by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The missus already programmed her Android phone to engage in location based auto configuration. She uses it for power management but certainly the same principles can be use for "do not be a jerk" purposes.

      A lame *ss software patent for the USPTO. Whodathunkit?

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    9. Re:Already got it. by hondo77 · · Score: 2

      In all fairness to Apple, that patent was filed in 2008.

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    10. Re:Already got it. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 0

      Given the amount of spelling errors in that post, I assume that the dollar sum was a spelling error, too. The first "7" probably should have been a dot, making the total sum $5.73, which isn't too impressive. ;-)

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    11. Re:Already got it. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 0
      Not according to the USPTO

      United States Patent 8,254,902
      Bell , et al. August 28, 2012

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    12. Re:Already got it. by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Informative

      I love Tasker for this kind of thing.
      Turning on wifi at home and at work.
      Toggling GPS off when battery power gets low.
      Guess though would would need some kind of patent on stuff like this to use it on iOS or Windows Phone 8.
      On Android though Tasker has been on every one of my phones for a few years now.

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    13. Re:Already got it. by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Yup and I can also detect when I'm in a movie theater or automatically adjust it when I see a No Cell Phones signs. Its amazing what we humans can do by ourselves.

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    14. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks for the link, actually. Yeah, it confirms what the parent said.

      Inventors: Bell; Michael (Cupertino, CA), Lovich; Vitali (Toronto, CA)
      Assignee: Apple Inc. (Cupertino, CA)
      Appl. No.: 12/215,592
      Filed: June 26, 2008

    15. Re:Already got it. by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      Dunno why anybody would need sound or flashes at all. Well, except for when you are home, that is. Otherwise it just annoys people around, while not helping you very much.

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    16. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm looking at what you posted, and if you look further down, it says Filed: June 26, 2008. Perhaps the August 28, 2012 date is the approval date?

      United States Patent 8,254,902
      Bell , et al. August 28, 2012
      Apparatus and methods for enforcement of policies upon a wireless device

      Appl. No.: 12/215,592
      Filed: June 26, 2008

    17. Re:Already got it. by dmbasso · · Score: 0

      And regardless, isn't it a genial, brilliant idea? Of the kind that even your dog might think while taking a crap. The obviousness of these patents is so clear that it stopped being funny long ago, now it is only outraging.

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    18. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not according to your own link.

      Appl. No.: 12/215,592
      Filed: June 26, 2008

    19. Re:Already got it. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Personally, I've never found it funny, and the justifications people come up with for such immoral behavior (which all, essentially, boil down to, "well, everyone else is doing it!") is downright terrifying.

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    20. Re:Already got it. by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

      When you are at a movie, do you even want incoming calls or notifications of anything? I sure as hell wouldn't.

      Even then, with Google Voice you can still receive text messages and a list of missed calls even if you have your phone either turned off or in airplane mode to enjoy a movie while saving battery juice; you'll just be left alone for the duration of the movie (I see that as an advantage, not a disadvantage...), but as soon as the phone is connected again you'll be able to read and reply to any text messages or call back any missed calls. Seems like a far better solution to me. I tend to use airplane mode since it is faster than the shutdown/boot cycles yet still saves power and my phone has a battery-guzzling bug that reactivates at every reboot, but GV offers yet another choice: Do Not Disturb mode. All callers will be sent straight to voicemail, and you can set the GV app to notify you of new voicemail with a sound and/or vibration.

      Of course, this means the phone will still be connected to all networks and draining battery power, and unsolicited calls made directly to your actual phone number will still be able to get through. [Double-edged sword though; people who are given the phone's number for emergency purposes will still be able to get through, which can be a good thing.]

      So basically... cell phones already provide this functionality by default, and anything this new Microsoft patent tries to improve, Google Voice already does it better. Therefore, I am not impressed.

    21. Re:Already got it. by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I occasionally go to movies and leave my kids with a babysitter. She has my number and I expect a call if something really bad comes up that she needs to deal with (after she dials 911) and the kids have my number too. If the movie theater were to deliberately cause me to miss such a call I would sue their ass regardless of whatever legal crap they posted in their "conditions of ticket sale" fine print.
      I'm sure I'm not alone.

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    22. Re:Already got it. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Minor bitch, a script that takes input from existing sensors and uses said input to cause a particular action in existing hardware is not what I would refer to as "technology."

      What? I have seen some teams use the word technology to describe replacing a std::vector data member with an std::multimap data member.

      Pointy-haired-team-lead: "Coming the defect DR-34123 Record selection dialog slows down as the number of selections increase on large data sets. We have implemented a new optimal datastructure technology in the module foo...".

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    23. Re:Already got it. by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I already have a phone that does this. As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed. And I even still receive alerts if a call or text came in. Amazing technology.

      Yes Apple already patented the technology, silencing the phone based on GPS location. Similar to geofencing that came out in iOS 5

      Please pay Apple $2 every time you use their idea. Just because you press a button rather than use an app does not negate that it is THEIR idea.

    24. Re:Already got it. by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And regardless, isn't it a genial, brilliant idea? Of the kind that even your dog might think while taking a crap. The obviousness of these patents is so clear that it stopped being funny long ago, now it is only outraging.

      I agree, sucks companies have to patent the obvious, but if apple didnt patent it someone else would in 2015 and then sue apple for using it for 8 years like the patent troll patenting podcasts in 2009.

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    25. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare you say that fucking filthy-a** word?!? That is so god damn disrespectful!

    26. Re:Already got it. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      thanks for censoring yourself. the word "ass" probably offends a LOT of people on this site.

      I'm not offended. I prefer ass over ssa, srt or sub any day of the week.

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    27. Re:Already got it. by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Not according to the USPTO
      United States Patent 8,254,902
      Bell , et al. August 28, 2012

      That's the date it was granted. Look closer:
      Filed: June 26, 2008

    28. Re:Already got it. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're so spoiled. Mobile phones have only been commonplace about 15 years and already people talk about them as if they have an inalienable right to be connected everywhere at any time.

      People were able to cope with leaving their kids with a babysitter in the 1990s and earlier you know. Without going all prima donna and threatening lawyers.

    29. Re:Already got it. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I remember having this app for my s60 phone around 2003.. merkitys/meaning was the name.

      you could program things based on context.. based on gps(bt-dongle) or cellid(_no_ extra power use, the app would get woken by the os only on cellid changes..).

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    30. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're obviously not a doctor. Doctors and other people who are on call 24/7 don't really have the option of turning off their phone. Other than them, this is potentially nice for people who are more forgetful.

      But, this is an MS technology, so it's going to be buggy as hell, only half implemented and have strange behaviors like turning itself off when you're in supermarkets.

      I mean, their chess program lets you castle, but doesn't actually give you any benefit from castling, and lets the computer castle whether or not the rules of chess allow it to do so.

    31. Re:Already got it. by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Doctors are smart. They should know how to operate that newfangled thing called "vibrate" mode. If they don't, then I sure wouldn't want to go to them for my own health.

    32. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doctors are smart.

      Then they won't be wasting their money on a Microsoft phone.

    33. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL... good one.

    34. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is still no excuse to do anything other than leave the theater when you phone vibrates.

      Answering the call is rude.
      Flashing in the cinema is rude,
      it doesn't matter that you are "just sending a text"
      I paid $10 bucks too and I didn't expect you to ignore the clear message before the show that said turn off your phone.

      If you insist on being a selfish jerk, then at least sit at the back so that your phone flashing doesn't distract half the rest of the cinema.

    35. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And youve got your tagline/signature thingy right there, "It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple sledgehammer." Now can you come up with an original name for my band?

    36. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm going to sue the big metal building I'm in because it's blocking my calls.

    37. Re:Already got it. by dudpixel · · Score: 2

      What if this patent is so that the phone can do it without your approval?

      That changes the ball game I think.

      I'm all for my phone being smart, but only when I tell it to, or only when I'm aware of it, and when I'm ultimately in control of what it does.

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    38. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple solution: have the phone user decide whether to put it in "nice" mode (go silent when in proscribed areas) or "noisy" mode (stay on always).

    39. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like "prior art" to me. Is MS now trying to follow the Apple model?

    40. Re:Already got it. by Turminder+Xuss · · Score: 1

      So you admit infringing their patent ?

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    41. Re:Already got it. by Tooke · · Score: 1

      I tried tasker for a little bit, but I couldn't stand the interface. I would've liked to just type up a script or something on my computer and copy the file over to the phone rather than going through that mess.

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    42. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use 'Setting Profiles Full' for this as I like my p[hone to automatically switch to silence mode whenever I have an appointment in my agenda (like meetings). I found Tasker to be less suitable for this purpose.

    43. Re: Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sledgehammer Solution

    44. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really care that much, why don't you stay home? It wouldn't be the movie theatre anyway, it would be your phone, which you bought, and in which you activated this setting. Are you going to sue the ass off yourself? How about just taking some personal responsibility instead?

    45. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also prior art dating back likely millennia. People tend to avoid farting in crowded rooms.

    46. Re:Already got it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure I'm not alone

      You're so spoiled.

      That's what he said.

    47. Re:Already got it. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Even Saint Mary was riding an ass in the Bible, and a fine one that was, because she was riding it for hours at times.
      Saint Mary's ass was a fine ass to ride.

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    48. Re:Already got it. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I already have a phone that does this. As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed. And I even still receive alerts if a call or text came in. Amazing technology.

      I fail on the "turn my phone" part. Get distracted, forget to push the button. Still "senses when the lights go down?" The stupid phone is in my POCKET!! It's ALREADY dark in there!

      GPS suffers from not working well indoors, coarser positioning services are exactly that - 1000m precision, IIRC.

      On the other hand, stringing a set of Bluetooth beacons throughout the theatre would work for me. Just cook up an appropriate protocol to tell the phone to go into "polite mode".

    49. Re:Already got it. by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      And you would lose. If a movie theater was doing this, you bet your ass that they would have the law on their side. As long as it's clearly communicated before the movie that the theater is a cell free zone, you'd have no recourse other than to go to a different theater or stay home.

    50. Re:Already got it. by Politburo · · Score: 1

      You're definitely not alone. People like you are what's ruining this country, with their attitude of "my way or I sue", regardless of how it affects anyone else in society.

    51. Re:Already got it. by Krojack · · Score: 1

      You carry a sledgehammer to the movie theater? How do you get away with that?

    52. Re:Already got it. by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      My tasker puts my phone to silent mode for meetings in my calendar. I'm not sure why yours couldn't do it.

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    53. Re:Already got it. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Now if we could trust Apple not to do some trolling of it's own...

    54. Re:Already got it. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      How do you get away with that?

      It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple sledgehammer.

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    55. Re:Already got it. by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      A drilling hammer is just as effective and quite compact.

  2. Or you could turn it off ... by Kittenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or silent mode...

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    1. Re:Or you could turn it off ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My trouble isn't that I forget to turn it off. It's that I forget to turn it back on again once I leave.

  3. this is like trying to make people good drivers by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    people drive like asswipes because they think the world revolves around them

    same here, the people disrupting the movie won't care about this. and probably won't enable it even if their phone had it.

    the only solution is to wait two weeks or more until after a movie comes out to see it in an almost empty theater

    1. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      or... you can ignore those people... or you can accidentally trip over them, dislodge their cell phone and step on it... woops.

    2. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by crutchy · · Score: 2

      or you can grab it off them and throw it against a wall, and then say "oh man i thought you had a spider on you"

    3. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by alen · · Score: 1

      and they can call the theater security and have them call the cops for stealing and destroying your property

    4. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by IcyNeko · · Score: 0

      Or buy a cell signal inhibitor. They're on sale today!

      http://www.cellphoneshop.net/blocker.html

    5. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the people disrupting the movie won't care about this.

      Even if they did, they'd still answer and say "I can't talk, I'm in the cinema... Really? No way, dude!! Haha. So what did he do next??? You're kidding me!!! " etc.

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    6. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the people disrupting the movie won't care about this. and probably won't enable it even if their phone had it.

      Most of the people who disrupt movies are not jerks, just forgetful, or they came in a few seconds late and missed the ever present "Cell Phone Off" request that appears on the screen in every theater I've been to in the last 5 years.

      This would save a lot of embarrassment and I suspect a lot of people would turn it on if it worked properly.

      If they do get it working properly, I'd like to see it on by default, with the setting to turn it off buried 5 menus deep. That would keep the clueless users who can't figure out how to silence their phones from being able to defeat it without the manual.

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    7. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the only solution is to wait two weeks or more until after a movie comes out to see it in an almost empty theater

      Honestly entertainment like going to the movie theater is a frill, a luxury I can very easily live without. I have no addiction to it. No need to go there. If there is not a consistently pleasant experience I simply will not go.

      The inability of the average American (I say that only because I can't comment on other nations) to act like a decent person in public ruined movie theaters for me a long time ago. I haven't set foot in one in years. If the staff are unwilling to eject loud, unruly, obnoxious, cellphone-addicted annoying people because they fear losing their ticket revenue, that's fine, their alternative is to lose the ticket revenue of myself and those like me. And I suspect a lot more people than me feel this way.

      I feel the same way about driving. If I had a good alternative to driving in my area, I'd have sold my car a long time ago so I could eliminate yet another major source of contact with such childish people. Sadly driving is necessary for me and it is one of the only times where I cannot merely choose not to associate with the asshats, as we all share the roads. I practice defensive driving and I have no problem moving out of the way of the aggressive/oblivious jackasses, even when I shouldn't have to, but there are simply too many of them. The state has no real incentive to get them off the road because the state enjoys the tickets and fines they routinely rack up. I seriously cannot wait for Google's (or anyone else's) self-driving cars to become mainstream.

      The self-centered assholes who are little more than mental and emotional two-year-olds ("me first! only my needs matter! fuck everybody else! I don't care how my actions affect others! shared/public system means MINE ALL MINE!) in grown-up bodies are destroying Western society. They are the majority and vastly outnumber the adults who make a serious effort not to unnecessarily inconvenience or endanger others. It is most tragic to witness the entirely preventable decline of a once-great civilization.

    8. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 2

      Too bad they're illegal devices. The FCC and cellular carriers don't take it very well when people use cell site jammers. If you're caught with one, you're looking at fines and potential jail time for disrupting essential services.

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    9. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      Even if they did, they'd still answer and say "I can't talk, I'm in the cinema... Really?...

      How does that differ in any way from the ones who go "now see, she's going to hide under the bed and the kidnapper still finds her ... that's not very realistic, there's no dust bunnies under that bed ... oh, that had to hurt ... I just love Liam Neeson, he's such a good actor. What was that movie he was in with what's his name? No, not him, I mean the one who was in that other movie with the guy from Rambo. Not Stallone ...", who the theater owners never seem to care about stopping?

    10. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're illegal for good reason.

      Perhaps you've never had an important call before. One of the jobs I interviewed for was Communication Engineer for the Ambulance Service. That job required 24/7/365.24 on-call duties because

      when 911 stops working, it has to get the fuck up fucking fast.

      Sometimes doctors go home, sometimes MPs will go to a movie.

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    11. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by bitt3n · · Score: 5, Funny

      the only solution is to wait two weeks or more until after a movie comes out to see it in an almost empty theater

      that's what I do. otherwise there's always some jerk who thinks it's funny to throw popcorn at me while I'm trying to talk on the phone.

    12. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually no, in my experience the ones who really disrupt movies are indeed jerks. I'm referring to the girl who sits in the row in front of you and blinds you with her smartphone screen every two seconds, then gets bitchy when loud when you ask her to turn it off. Or the guy a few seats who gets bored in the first 10 minutes and starts texting with the "tick tick tick" button noise on, and then whines at you not be so sensitive when you request that he STFU or leave.

      People who have the decency to be embarassed and quickly silence their device deserve sympathy and empathy. They're easily distinguished and not a problem. But the majority of repeat disrupters really are just egocentric jerks.

    13. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      Sometimes my wife freaks me out with this sort of stuff. No, she says it really quiet and does it rarely, but... Like, main character's baby falls off a cliff to a certain death and the superhero rushes to the rescue, she'll be like: "Ooh, I like her shoes, I should get ones like these."

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    14. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      Most of the people who disrupt movies are not jerks, just forgetful, or they came in a few seconds late and missed the ever present "Cell Phone Off" request that appears on the screen in every theater I've been to in the last 5 years.

      *Raises hand*

      I'm someone who chastises friends who look at text messages or answer their phones during a movie. A couple weeks ago for the first time in my life, I forgot to silence my phone before a movie started. It's startling and embarrassing as all hell, but not intentional.

      That said, I have met people who seriously just do not care -- they think having it on vibrate is good enough, and if they duck down and talk low enough that nobody will see or hear them. I'd guess there are probably more assholes like this than forgetfuls like me.

    15. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they can call the theater security and have them call the cops for stealing and destroying your property

      And some other theatergoer who's annoyed at the arrogant shit's phone going off says, "That's not what happened."

      Yeah, like I would do.

    16. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no, in my experience the ones who really disrupt movies are indeed jerks. I'm referring to the girl who sits in the row in front of you and blinds you with her smartphone screen every two seconds, then gets bitchy when loud when you ask her to turn it off. Or the guy a few seats who gets bored in the first 10 minutes and starts texting with the "tick tick tick" button noise on, and then whines at you not be so sensitive when you request that he STFU or leave.

      People who have the decency to be embarassed and quickly silence their device deserve sympathy and empathy. They're easily distinguished and not a problem. But the majority of repeat disrupters really are just egocentric jerks.

      That's what those 32-oz drinks that the government wants to ban are good for.

      "Oh, I'm sorry, did I pour ALL that on your HEAD?!?!"

    17. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lol. You sound like the person defending the fact that they like to drive slower then the rest of traffic, thereby causing snarl ups behind you. You move over, even if you dont have to huh? Guess what Its the law, you must move the heck over. You are just at fault as the people going twenty over. I'm stuck behind all of you, and I just want to do the speed limit. If you are not going to go the speed limit then get the heck off the road. I'm tired of following someone going 15 under. I am even more tired of following twenty people going 15 under because the guy in the front is oblivious to what he is putting the rest of the people through.

    18. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by icebike · · Score: 1

      I'd guess there are probably more assholes like this than forgetfuls like me.

      But that would be the wrong comparison, would it not?

      Since these assholes are (for the moment at least) a small minority of those in the theater, you have to count all those that light up their phones only AFTER the movie IS OVER as non-assholes. And the forgetful, like yourself, as accidental deviations from the non-asshole group.

      That puts the thing in proper prospective I think. Where are those ushers with the merciless flashlight that I remember from my youth?

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    19. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by tilante · · Score: 1

      Actually, whether you 'must move over' depends on where you are:

      http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

      In most states of the US, however, you are not required to move over if you are going at or above 'the normal speed of traffic'. Unfortunately, the law doesn't actually bother to define what that's considered to be, so interpretations vary.

      On the bright side, almost all states now allow passing on the right when there are multiple lanes traveling in the same direction.

    20. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course, if some random stranger pipes up and says you did nothing wrong, the cops will leave it at that and wish you a good day as they drag your accuser off to jail forever!

    21. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      That reminds me: is it safe to go see The Hobbit yet?

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    22. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or... you can ignore those people... or you can accidentally trip over them, dislodge their cell phone and step on it... woops.

      Yes but why would you pay for the "privilege" of doing that?

    23. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. You sound like the person defending the fact that they like to drive slower then the rest of traffic, thereby causing snarl ups behind you. You move over, even if you dont have to huh? Guess what Its the law, you must move the heck over. You are just at fault as the people going twenty over. I'm stuck behind all of you, and I just want to do the speed limit. If you are not going to go the speed limit then get the heck off the road. I'm tired of following someone going 15 under. I am even more tired of following twenty people going 15 under because the guy in the front is oblivious to what he is putting the rest of the people through.

      I am the AC you replied to. Your immature entitlement mentality is revealed by the assumptions you feel so free to make about me, a perfect stranger you know nothing about. I said nothing of the sort, yet you feel completely entitled to make shit up about me. You are part of what's destroying this nation. After all, it's all about you and what you take pleasure in assuming, to hell with the facts, right? People like you with your inability to admit what you don't know are responsible for lots of bullshit the rest of us shouldn't have to put up with. At some point your tendencies are self-defeating, the only injustice is that it takes so long before that happens.

      Anyway, I typically drive about 4-5mph over the speed limit. I stay in the slow lane. I do not allow other vehicles to linger beside me in the passing lane (and I truly do not understand why they want to). The passing lane next to the lane I am in stays open. Still people would rather tailgate than pass. The truly dangerous asshats are the ones who run red lights and the ones (inevitably in their SUVs) who keep weaving in and out of their lane as though they were drunk. They don't seem to appreciate that the double-yellow is about 8 inches between themselves and a head-on collision at highway speed. Their non-emergency cellphone call/texting seems more important to them than behaving in a rational manner.

      The interesting thing about tailgaters is that I have experimented with driving as much as 30 above the speed limit (glad I did not get caught). Still they stay on my bumper. It apparently is not about the speed of travel. It seems to be that they are such mindless people that even having to choose their own speed is more independence than they feel comfortable with, so they tailgate not because they want me to go faster, but to relieve themselves of the terrible burden of making a decision for themselves.

      Just about the only entertainment I get from tailgaters is taking a sharp curve at a speed their SUVs cannot handle. It is amusing to watch them drift and oversteer and get scared shitless. Not my fault they don't know how to handle the vehicle they have chosen. I certainly did not force them to try cornering at a speed they have neither the skill nor the low-center-of-gravity vehicle to handle. It just goes to show how mindless and stupid they are. I have no idea why their cheeseburger and their cellphone and god-knows-what-else is more important to them than the x-ton metal missle they are responsible for, but it is quite sad.

    24. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only solution is to wait two weeks or more until after a movie comes out to see it in an almost empty theater

      that's what I do. otherwise there's always some jerk who thinks it's funny to throw popcorn at me while I'm trying to talk on the phone.

      Throwing popcorn at you for talking on the phone is really not funny.

      Milkduds hit with much more force. Now THAT is funny.

    25. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by firewrought · · Score: 1

      Most of the people who disrupt movies are not jerks, just forgetful.

      Yes, the ringers are forgetful (and thus forgivable), but the texters who insist on blinding the whole theater are just outright jerks. Seriously folks... either go to the lobby or wait and read it later.

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    26. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I meant members of parliament, but let's say you were a military policeman watching a movie when someone attacked the US.

      They'd want you at the base PDQ.

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    27. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but since when is a police officer truly ever off duty? Having a few friends in law enforcement, I can tell you that the answer is 'never'.

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    28. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      I am the AC you replied to. Your immature entitlement mentality is revealed by the assumptions you feel so free to make about me, a perfect stranger you know nothing about.

      Hmm, let's see how THIS turns out...

      I said nothing of the sort, yet you feel completely entitled to make shit up about me. You are part of what's destroying this nation. After all, it's all about you and what you take pleasure in assuming, to hell with the facts, right? People like you with your inability to admit what you don't know are responsible for lots of bullshit the rest of us shouldn't have to put up with. At some point your tendencies are self-defeating, the only injustice is that it takes so long before that happens.

      "[D]estroying this nation", eh? Well, I'll just have to remember that phrase.

      Anyway, I typically drive about 4-5mph over the speed limit.

      Hmm, I bet remember THAT will pay dividends later...

      I stay in the slow lane.

      Another one to remember.

      I do not allow other vehicles to linger beside me in the passing lane (and I truly do not understand why they want to). The passing lane next to the lane I am in stays open.

      Cool story, bro.

      Still people would rather tailgate than pass. The truly dangerous asshats are the ones who run red lights and the ones (inevitably in their SUVs)

      Hmm, I think stereotyping is destroying our nation, but that's just my opinion.

      who keep weaving in and out of their lane as though they were drunk. They don't seem to appreciate that the double-yellow is about 8 inches between themselves and a head-on collision at highway speed. Their non-emergency cellphone call/texting seems more important to them than behaving in a rational manner.

      So, would you react in a vengeful, dangerous manner?

      The interesting thing about tailgaters is that I have experimented with driving as much as 30 above the speed limit (glad I did not get caught).

      So much for "slow lane" and 4-5mph over the speed limit. Why do I get the impression you're about to venture into vindictive road rage?

      Still they stay on my bumper. It apparently is not about the speed of travel. It seems to be that they are such mindless people that even having to choose their own speed is more independence than they feel comfortable with, so they tailgate not because they want me to go faster, but to relieve themselves of the terrible burden of making a decision for themselves.

      Hmm, I recently read something about making assumptions about total strangers. What was it?

      Oh, yeah, it was this:

      Your immature entitlement mentality is revealed by the assumptions you feel so free to make

      LOL. Pot, meet kettle.

      Just about the only entertainment I get from tailgaters is taking a sharp curve at a speed their SUVs cannot handle.

      Hmm, so you/re entertained by acting in a way that deliberately endangers others? "[I]mmature entitlement mentality" is right on the money.

      It is amusing to watch them drift and oversteer and get scared shitless.

      Hmm, did your "immature entitlement mentality" ever consider that your actions might cause the unknowing innocents who forced you to come to terms with your 2 cm penis to cross "the double-yellow [that] is about 8 inches between themselves and a head-on collision at highway speed", thereby causing a "head-on collision at highway speed". Your malicious, childish actions are not only endangering the person who had the temerity to unknowingly challenge your lacking manhood but also anyone anywhere near you. You don't even consider that, do you, you insecure little twerp?

    29. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Then anyone that was foolish enough to take that job should never go to the cinema or theatre. The world doesn't revolve around them and their jobs. The hundreds of people at the theatre deserve to watch their film uninterrupted by people who think it's an extension of their place of work.

      Reasonable on-call jobs have more than one person, and thus it's only some days that people are on call. Not every day.

    30. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by pepty · · Score: 1

      Yes, but since when is a police officer truly ever off duty? Having a few friends in law enforcement, I can tell you that the answer is 'never'.

      One would hope the answer to "when is a police officer off duty?" would be "after they've had more than a few drinks". I doubt the new laws states have been enacting that ban carrying a concealed weapon while intoxicated (which are a great idea, IMHO) are enforced against law enforcement though.

    31. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      I agree, such laws should be universally applied without preferential treatment given to inebriated law enforcement officers.

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    32. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Speeding's illegal - people speed. Piracy is illegal - people pirate. Weed is illegal - people smoke it.

      People chose what laws they'll obey based on how likely they are to get caught, what the penalty is, and whether they personally believe it to be wrong.

      The possible maximum penalties for jamming sound serious. But then they are for drugs and plenty of people disregard that.

      Chances of getting caught? Quite likely if you have a permanent jammer in operation. But if you have a mobile jammer that you only use when in a cinema, the chances of you being caught are extremely slim. There simply aren't teams of enforcement officer with direction finding equipment available at an hours notice. And even if there were, finding the person with it in a crowd of hundreds would be hard. Especially as they will turn it off if they realise it's being tracked down.

      If I was a regular cinema goer, and was having a lot of spoiled movies due to this problem, I'd have no qualms about getting a jammer and using it. No one deserves to have a phone signal inside a movie auditorium.

    33. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised at just how many people with jammers get caught. People will gladly inform their carriers of deadzones, moreso if they know there's supposed to be service where they are. A few complaints, an inquiry, and they'll establish the pattern. Once that happens, you're busted.

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    34. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 2

      So you're saying they shouldn't try to have a life outside of their work? Who's the unreasonable person now?

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    35. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in a cinema on call? Bullshit.

      Pagers and vibrate. If you have a call to answer you go outside, just like the people who need to go to the bathroom.
      You are still an ass if you light up in the cinema.

      If you can't be there for 90 minutes you probably shouldn't be there.

    36. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really really simple: if you are on call, you cannot go to the movies. That is what you get on-call payment for.
      24/7/365 ? I call BS.
      Means you never ever ever get to drink?

    37. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by heefeneet · · Score: 1

      The best way to handle a tailgaiter is to just touch your brake pedal now and again. The brake lights will go on, but the brakes will not apply. Make THEM slam theirs on. For the really terminal cases, just brake sharply and let them rear-end you, then sue them for a new car and for the "chronic back pain" you will have afterwards.

    38. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was once singing in a choir concert, and then somewhere fourth row or so some lady dug around her handbag, answered a call, talked about half a minute and then said "call you back, am in a concert". This was sort of a quiet passage, so that's the reason I could hear all that as a goddamn singer on the stage.

      Fscking unbelievable. Bad enough that she had the thing on in the first place. Bad enough she answered. But then she yaks and yaks for half a piece.

      People have no shame, and no decency.

    39. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised at just how many people with jammers get caught. People will gladly inform their carriers of deadzones, moreso if they know there's supposed to be service where they are. A few complaints, an inquiry, and they'll establish the pattern. Once that happens, you're busted.

      I wouldn't be surprised at all. You're just making it up. A google search for people caught with jammers turns up virtually nothing. Radar jammers, sure. But not cellphone jammers.

      Over and over again there's the report of a guy being caught with a jammer on a bus. But he was caught by journalists, not law enforcement, and only because he was stupid enough to use it regularly on the same bus, and he would take the jammer out of his pocket to crew the antenna on.

      The other category of people that get caught are the vendors of the equipment. Obviously they have to advertise, so they're easier to catch, and more important as a target.

      Again, using a jammer at the movie theatre, is pretty safe. There probably wouldn't be a pattern - unless you happen to be one of the few that go to the same single screen movie theatre same time every week. And trying to work out which of the hundreds of people there had the jammer would be impossible. Obviously, a sensible person would just reach into their pocket to switch it on, not get the device out.

    40. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      No, I's saying employers shouldn't expect people to be on call 24/7/365. And if they do, people should try and get a different job. And if all else fails and they have to take such a job with the abusive employer, then they should do things outside of work where it's acceptable to have a phone ring.

      How many more times: It is socially unacceptable to have a phone switched on in a theatre or cinema. Every person there paid for a ticket, and they have a right to see the entire show without being disturbed by people with their phones. Just because someone chose to have a job that denies them permission to turn their phone off, doesn't give them the right to ignore the rules of the theatre or cinema, and have a phone switched in whilst there.

      Who's unreasonable? The people using phones in theatres. If you are amongst them, then you are one of the unreasonable ones.

    41. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the really terminal cases, just brake sharply and let them rear-end you, then sue them for a new car and for the "chronic back pain" you will have afterwards.

      Slam on brakes, get hit by tailgater, lose control of your car, hit oncoming SUV, kill soccer mom and three children. Good plan, jackass.

    42. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      the only solution is to wait two weeks or more until after a movie comes out to see it in an almost empty theater

      In my neck of the woods, movie theaters have heavily discounted prices on Tuesday nights. You can see a 2D movie for $5. They do this because the theater gets very low traffic on Tuesday nights. I guess you could say that my frugal side has helped me avoid all of the issues people are mentioning. It's not uncommon to have one other couple in the theater with us. Especially if the movie has been out for a couple weeks. Ticket prices are normally $8.50 for an adult here, so saving $7 on a pair of tickets is great.

    43. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Only do it when there aren't other cars nearby?

    44. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      They can put their phone on silent or buzz, and will do so. Jamming all phones so nobody can get any calls is inexcusable and dangerous. If it goes off, it takes just a few moments to head outside to take the call.

      Anyway, there's something to be said for a job where when someone asks you what you do you can reply, "Me? I'm the guy 9-1-1 calls for help."

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    45. Re:this is like trying to make people good drivers by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      They can put their phone on silent or buzz, and will do so. If it goes off, it takes just a few moments to head outside to take the call.

      Vibrate is not silent. Screens lighting up are also distracting. And people getting up and going out phone in hand is even more so. None of these are answers, and none of these follow the implicit agreement to switch off your mobile phone in a cinema.

      Jamming all phones so nobody can get any calls is inexcusable and dangerous.

      Nonsense. Mobile phones are recent inventions. There was no problem 20 years ago and earlier when virtually no one had mobile phones. People didn't behave like babies deprived of their mothers tit, just because they weren't next to a phone all the time.

  4. How does it know when the lights go down..... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as opposed to just sitting in your dark pocket?

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    1. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by tippe · · Score: 1

      They're probably assuming that everyone wears sheer dresses... (and pants, and shirts,...).

      Seems reasonable...

    2. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      They're probably assuming that everyone wears sheer dresses... (and pants, and shirts,...).

      Seems reasonable...

      Hey, if that's the NWO dress code, I take back everything bad I ever said about our mysterious overlords!


      On second thought... how the heck am I supposed to hide a boner in sheers?

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    3. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      maybe i should patent that

    4. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Everyone will have some of THESE

      Just when you thought they had already invented every phone accessory possible, the come up with special pants.

    5. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think people who disrupt movies keep their phone in a pocket? A phone is made to be shown and not hidden!

    6. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On second thought... how the heck am I supposed to hide a boner in sheers?

      You? I guess you could put a Post-It note in your pocket.

    7. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blueraytooth

    8. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Everyone will have some of THESE Just when you thought they had already invented every phone accessory possible, the come up with special pants.

      Kneejerk reaction: That's got to be the dumbest, first-world-problem product I've ever seen!

      Secondary reaction: Hey, those would be damn handy for secret games of Angry Birds on those "Death By Meeting" days...

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    9. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      3. The one or more computer-readable storage media of claim 1 wherein the at least one ambient condition is selected from the group consisting of ambient light and ambient sound.
      6. The one or more computer-readable storage media of claim 1 further comprising: detecting a signal from a wireless local area network communication having a network identifier indicating that the mobile communication device should enter the inconspicuous mode; and switching to the inconspicuous mode when the signal is detected.

      Claim 3 and 6 of the patent indicate it is looking at light, sound, or a wifi signal.

    10. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by suutar · · Score: 1

      There's a large fraction of the population that I don't want to see in sheers...

    11. Re:How does it know when the lights go down..... by mrbester · · Score: 1

      I turn my phone face down so the gyroscope and proximity / light sensors trigger to silence it. Prior art, anyone?

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  5. Meaningless Patents by P-niiice · · Score: 1

    ....but I guess you have to play the game.

    1. Re:Meaningless Patents by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      ....but I guess you have to play the game.

      Only if you intend to perpetuate it.

      "I must do evil, because everyone else does" is not a valid excuse, and only serves to eternalize douche-baggery.

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    2. Re:Meaningless Patents by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that's not how it works. People with power and money make the rules, and you don't get power or money without playing the game. Resistance is futile if they get violent, unless you get violent back. (See: World War II. Unless you want to live in a world run by the Nazi Party, "doing evil" in the form of killing was the right thing to do. No, this is not invoking Godwin.)

  6. Tasker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Doesn't tasker already let you do this?

    1. Re:Tasker by icebike · · Score: 2

      Does your mom run Tasker?

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    2. Re:Tasker by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Does your mom run Tasker?

      Couldn't you have worked in a "Yo mama.." meme there, somewhere?

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    3. Re:Tasker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the patent specify moms?

  7. while driving.. by issicus · · Score: 1

    my device was going crazy, it couldnt seem to figure out my location...

  8. Mistakes happen... by drc003 · · Score: 1

    Inevitably people occassionally forget to switch to silent mode in theaters, meetings etc. I guess this feature would be nice to have but nothing to really get overly excited about.

    1. Re:Mistakes happen... by icebike · · Score: 1

      It couldn't possibly detect meetings, or pocket/purse with any reliability.

      Theaters, maybe, but even that will be unreliable.

      What is needed is the presence of some inexpensive low power transmitter (wifi access point, Bluetooth, Simulated Cell Tower CID, that can't actually be connected to, but which triggers phone silencing/dimming behavior. Users would probably still demand the ability to override this feature.

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    2. Re:Mistakes happen... by hawguy · · Score: 1

      It couldn't possibly detect meetings, or pocket/purse with any reliability.

      Theaters, maybe, but even that will be unreliable.

      What is needed is the presence of some inexpensive low power transmitter (wifi access point, Bluetooth, Simulated Cell Tower CID, that can't actually be connected to, but which triggers phone silencing/dimming behavior. Users would probably still demand the ability to override this feature.

      My phone automatically detects when I'm in a meeting and silences the ringer.... at least, it does so as long as my calendar is up to date.

    3. Re:Mistakes happen... by suutar · · Score: 1

      You read the patent, didn't you? Bad slashdotter! No karma!

    4. Re:Mistakes happen... by Krojack · · Score: 1

      All that to silence the single Windows 8 phone in the entire building. Now what to do about the other 500 phones that won't bother paying a patent fee to use this tech.

  9. When the lights go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait to see how they plan to implement ambient light sensing from inside my pocket.

    Couple that with the "Standing outside the theater waiting for someone and cannot hear my phone ringing because it thinks I'm at the theater when my friend calls to update me on when she'll be here" and you have a really great feature. Way to go MS!

    1. Re:When the lights go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couple that with the "Standing outside the theater waiting for someone and cannot hear my phone ringing because it thinks I'm at the theater when my friend calls to update me on when she'll be here" and you have a really great feature. Way to go MS!

      This I think illustrates the main problem. People want their tools to behave predictably and constantly.

      Now having the phone context aware enough that it can self-silence when in a context where unexpected noise is anti-socially disruptive, would be a nice improvement. However in practice this will mean that whenever your phone is close enough to a flagged "quiet zone" it will silence, regardless of actual appropriateness, whereas whenever it is in an area not flagged as such (in it's central database of places to be quiet in) it will not change it's behavior. net result: people getting frustrated because their phone when to silent while they were in the shop next to the theater and other's phones causing disruptions because they assumed it would auto-silence but it did not.

    2. Re:When the lights go down? by icebike · · Score: 1

      You can surely feel your phone buzzing, can't you?
      Maybe you need to try putting the phone in a MORE inside pocket.

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  10. Use Locale! by jomcty · · Score: 1

    I've been doing this for a long while now using Locale on my Android phone.

    1. Re:Use Locale! by MrDoh! · · Score: 1

      Yup, so MS have patented existing tech. I expect Tasker to be getting a notification about this any moment.

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    2. Re:Use Locale! by lennier1 · · Score: 0

      Same here. Yet another example of how useless the patent system has become.

    3. Re:Use Locale! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. It will turn out that Microsoft actually started the patent process for this in 1953, meaning that Locale and other programs are simply cheap, anti-capitalist, bigoted ripoffs of Microsoft's innovative and widely hailed ... err, what was the product that had this that MS makes, again?

  11. A hammer? by cruff · · Score: 1

    I thought hammers have been known for centuries, how did they manage a patent on that?

    1. Re:A hammer? by Minwee · · Score: 2

      I thought hammers have been known for centuries, how did they manage a patent on that?

      The same way you patent anything else, by adding the words "over the Internet" to its description.

    2. Re:A hammer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought hammers have been known for centuries, how did they manage a patent on that?

      It is called "Method and apparatus for hammering nails".

  12. Patent Worthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this really qualify as a patentable "new technology"?

  13. This is genius... wait a minute... obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yawn

  14. Turn it off, or leave by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I own and operate a movie theatre. I have policy trailers that I play before every show telling you to turn your cell phone off. If I see a light from a cell phone while the show is on, I'll go in and ask you to turn it off until the show is over. If I see your light again, I'll ask you to come to the lobby with me, and when you get there I'll tell you to go home.

    Since I have been doing this for years, ever since cell phones existed, I have very little problem with cell phones here.

    Consistent enforcement is the answer. I have to tell maybe one or two people a month to turn their phones off, sometimes I can go a few months without having to do it once. And I can't remember the last time I threw someone out for that -- it's been at least a couple of years.

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    1. Re:Turn it off, or leave by futhermocker · · Score: 1

      Thought about installing a GSM and WiFi jammer? Personally I don't mind, hate people using phones during any gig...

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    2. Re:Turn it off, or leave by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

      If I see a light from a cell phone while the show is on, I'll go in and ask you to turn it off until the show is over.

      How do you handle it when the theatre is near full and the offender is in the middle of a row?

      How do you handle it when the customer declines to get up out of his chair and leave the theatre at your request?

      Forgive my skepticism, but the approach you outline here sounds like it would only work on people who are courteous enough not to use their phones in a theate in the first place.

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    3. Re:Turn it off, or leave by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Thought about installing a GSM and WiFi jammer?
      Personally I don't mind, hate people using phones during any gig...

      I doubt a theater owner wants to open himself up to FCC liability for running an illegal jammer.

      But if it becomes legal and theaters start doing this, then I'll stop going to movies entirely - I *want* the babysitter to be able to call me in case of emergency, that's why I give her my cell number.

      I own and operate a movie theatre. I have policy trailers that I play before every show telling you to turn your cell phone off. If I see a light from a cell phone while the show is on, I'll go in and ask you to turn it off until the show is over. If I see your light again, I'll ask you to come to the lobby with me, and when you get there I'll tell you to go home.

      I'm surprised you can stay in business with such a small theater - at the big multiplex theaters, they can't even spare the staff to sit through the first few minutes of a film to make sure the sound is running during a movie, relying on a viewer to complain in case of problems. Having someone sit through the entire movie to watch for cell phones seems like it would be cost prohibitive.

    4. Re:Turn it off, or leave by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Thought about installing a GSM and WiFi jammer?
      Personally I don't mind, hate people using phones during any gig...

      Why should he install a device which gets him into legal trouble if his simpler method is very effective?

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    5. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Thought about installing a GSM and WiFi jammer?

      If you're going to break federal law like that, why not just shoot the bastards? I bet you'd have a zero percent recidivism rate after once, maybe twice, you did that.

      Personally I don't mind, hate people using phones during any gig...

      Yeah, you're rights are more important than anyone else's. How DARE someone want to be reachable in an emergency and still have a life?

      "Any gig" makes you sound like a performer of some kind. Yes, I'd sure hate, as a performer, to have someone in the audience texting something like "Am seeing awsome performer, you gotta come see the act..." to their friends while I'm performing. How dare they! Of course, you probably don't have that problem. More like "this show sux, let's split lol".

    6. Re:Turn it off, or leave by sdguero · · Score: 1

      I saw The Hobbit at an AMC theater a couple weeks ago with my girl. A young couple came in about 5 minutes after the movie started, sat in front of us, then proceeded to start taking flash photos of themselves with both of their phones. Other than people in the audience, who were blinded by the flash, nobody from the theater said anything to them. They also talked continuously until they walked out, about 45 minutes later.

      This last weekend I saw Django Unchained with my girl. The theater was almost full so we ended up sitting in the handicap row, which is allowed for non-handicappers once the movie starts. About 10 minutes after it started an obese guy with a cane showed up and stood over us, staring like we killed his dog (we were sitting in the center handicap seats). He then hurumphed and sat off to the side. 5 minutes later he was asleep, snoring loudly enough for people three rows in front of him to turn around. I made a game of tossing raisonettes into his open mouth.After the third "score" he gave up sleeping and left, this was about an hour into the film.

      While the raisonette game was fun, but these people are why I don't go to the theaters very often.

    7. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Probably because they're illegal devices.

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    8. Re:Turn it off, or leave by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2

      How do you handle it when the theatre is near full and the offender is in the middle of a row?
       
      That's usually not a problem since the people around him/her will tell that person to turn the phone off. If not, I'll "excuse me" past the crowd in that row and do it myself. 45 seconds of disruption from me going in and out is better than the rest of the movie with a light shining in that row.
       
        How do you handle it when the customer declines to get up out of his chair and leave the theatre at your request?
       
      That's never actually happened, but if it did I suppose I would either call the police to come and help that person find the exit, or maybe just stop showing the movie for a few minutes until he left, depending on the exact circumstances at that time. Of course, the offender would then be permanently barred from entering my theatre ever again, and since I have the only theatre in town he probably wouldn't want that to happen.
       
      Your ticket can always be revoked by "the management" and I'm the management.

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    9. Re:Turn it off, or leave by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      I don't exactly sit through the movie as such, I actually sit in my lobby and read (and sell the odd popcorn and drink while the show is on). But I can see if there is a picture on the screen and I can hear the sound I can also see a light in the seats where it doesn't belong...

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    10. Re:Turn it off, or leave by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      This owner has a cheap and effective remedy so it does not matter. But can theater owners use passive interference? May be paint the interior of the theater with conductive paint, thus turning the whole theater into a Faraday's cage and no outside radiation penetrates?

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    11. Re:Turn it off, or leave by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      install a faraday cage? i'd like to see one in action in a cinema.

    12. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Squeebee · · Score: 1

      I have a few questions about your experiences, any chance you can email me (your email is not showing), I'd appreciate your insights.

    13. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Possibly, since it's not illegal in the same manner that a cell site jammer is. But, there's the distinction between the text of a law and the spirit behind it. While turning a theater into a Faraday cage isn't violating the text of the law, it does violate the spirit of it and can be subject to litigation.

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    14. Re:Turn it off, or leave by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How DARE someone want to be reachable in an emergency and still have a life?

      People managed just fine before mobile phones came along. Don't be so spoiled.

      Yes, I'd sure hate, as a performer, to have someone in the audience texting something like "Am seeing awsome performer, you gotta come see the act..." to their friends while I'm performing. How dare they!

      Are you really that dumb? Yes, of course any performer would hate people to be doing that whilst they're performing.

      Slashdot, if you want to know the kind of jerk that doesn't have the common sense and curtesy to use his mobile phone appropriately, Obfuscant is a prime example. Kick him next time you see him at the cinema/theatre/concert hall.

    15. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.

    16. Re:Turn it off, or leave by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      Join us here for everything that you ever wanted to know about movie theatres.

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    17. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I *want* the babysitter to be able to call me in case of emergency"

      and the 50+ other people in the theater don't care about your kids and don't want to be disturbed. get over yourself.

    18. Re:Turn it off, or leave by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      While turning a theater into a Faraday cage isn't violating the text of the law, it does violate the spirit of it and can be subject to litigation.

      Nonsense. The FCC gets the power to enforce their regulations by law, but FCC regulations themselves are not law.
      In any case, the "spirit" here is not to cause radio interference in the regulated spectrum, so a Faraday cage is perfectly fine.
      In fact, a lot of building materials already inadvertently turn rooms into Faraday cages.

    19. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Skater · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're rights are more important than anyone else's. How DARE someone want to be reachable in an emergency and still have a life?

      If this were the case - that is, people ONLY did this during real emergencies, and they simply stepped out of the theater - we wouldn't be talking about it. It'd be so rare that we'd think, "Wow, that guy must have something serious going on," and we'd give him/her a pass, similar to how we let ambulances go around us on the roads.

      But we all know that's not the case. The people who are doing it because they can't stand to be away from their phone for an hour or two are ruining it for the very few people with real emergencies.

    20. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Skater · · Score: 1

      We went to see Monster's, Inc. 3D a couple weeks ago. About 3/4s of the way through the movie, a bunch of teenagers came in, talking loudly, and sat in the row we were in. I gave them several looks, and they didn't seem to get the hint, but fortunately they did leave after about 10 minutes. The good news was that it was a movie we'd both seen before (we went for the 3D, and just to see it in the theater again - and, again, I thought the animation of Sully's fur is simply amazing, especially in the sled scene - the same reaction I had when I saw it the first time).

      But it's pretty rare that we have a problem. We don't go to see many movies, perhaps two a year, but it's pretty unusual to have something like that happen. I think once during Argo I saw someone with their phone on, but there could've been more - I enjoyed the film so much I may have missed other incidents of it.

    21. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that there are also laws against intentionally disrupting essential services. Nobody gets their panties twisted when a building accidentally becomes a Faraday cage, but it's a different matter all together when it's by design for buildings accessible by the public. So turning an existing theater into a Faraday cage or building one on purpose is still illegal.

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    22. Re:Turn it off, or leave by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      By your logic it would be against the law to demand that movie goers switch off their cell phone, because that would disrupt their essential service.

      With all the reinforced concrete and metal ducts in a building, it wouldn't surprise me if they put a cellphone repeater (micro cell) inside the theater in the first place, to give everyone perfect reception (in the snack/drinks area).

    23. Re:Turn it off, or leave by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Technically, yes. But it'd never be upheld and I'm fully aware of it. Intentionally building or modifying a movie theater or auditorium to have the properties of a Faraday cage on the other hand, that would be upheld as an illicit disruption of services.

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  15. Prior art by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The Samsonite Gorilla already has prior art

  16. This Already Exists... by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are several programs that can be set to automate your phone like this. The problem is that location awareness isn't as good inside a movie theater as you might hope. For instance, I live about a half a mile away from the nearest megaplex. I setup a rule on my phone to turn off the ringer and wifi when the phone is at the address of the cinema. However, the rule kept triggering when I was sitting in my living room. Even if I didn't live so close, if I was shopping at the stores next door, my phone would be going to vibrate mode automatically. I've found that doing location based things only works well if your location isn't near anything else. For instance, I work in the middle of nowhere. I set a rule to turn off WiFi & bluetooth from 8am to 4:45pm when I'm at my work location. Works great to save battery. But for the movies, I still set it manually.

    1. Re:This Already Exists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might have something to do with using WIFI for location assistance. It would work something like this.

      1. GPS reads you are in a certain area with a +/- of lets say 100 yards/meters
      2. WIFI refines the +/- to about 10 yards/meters
      3. Refined location data gets sent out to all listening applications

      If your WIFI radio is turns off or is busy (re)connecting your location shifts gets fed to listeners and locks your WIFI/Bluetooth/Cellular. GPS is still active but since it is not able to refine your location via WiFi it remains in stasis.

  17. Location services isn't that accurate by jonbryce · · Score: 2

    Currently, using wifi location, my phone thinks it is on the other side of the road from where it actually is. Accurate enough to find the nearest bus stop or whatever I'm looking for, but certainly not accurate enough to know that I am actually inside a particular screening room of a theatre rather than out in the foyer or in a shop next door. As I'm indoors, GPS or Glonass location isn't an option, and even if it was, it still isn't accurate enough for that.

    1. Re:Location services isn't that accurate by HereIAmJH · · Score: 1

      The problem for location services in theaters is that to improve the reliability you have to do something that is counter productive to encouraging people to NOT use their phones. Location services are most accurate when the the handset can see multiple satellites. Under those conditions accuracy can get below 5 meters. When the handset can't accurately determine it's location from satellites it falls back to towers. So if theater owners really wanted your cell phone to know where it was they would install pico cells in their auditoriums. But that would give you a strong signal and would encourage some to use their phone more.

      I have always thought theater chains should either create apps, or work with some existing ones like Locale, and put all their locations in the apps database. Maybe make it a loyalty app and reward points for using it. Due to the problem above, it would mean assuring a strong signal in the lobby and then locking the 'theater behavior' when the signal degraded in the auditoriums.

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  18. HMS Dumbass feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where would we be without ya, MS?

  19. What I'd like... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 1

    The room should tell my phone that there's a movie, meeting, et al. going on (based on a published schedule)

    Calls should have a priority

    The phone should respond appropriately based on the situation and priority of the call

    For example: a low priority call might go to voice mail if I'm in the middle of a meeting, but make the phone ring if the same call happened after the meeting is over. A high priority call could make the phone vibrate or ring depending on the situation and my preferences.

    1. Re:What I'd like... by hawguy · · Score: 1

      The room should tell my phone that there's a movie, meeting, et al. going on (based on a published schedule)

      Calls should have a priority

      The phone should respond appropriately based on the situation and priority of the call

      For example: a low priority call might go to voice mail if I'm in the middle of a meeting, but make the phone ring if the same call happened after the meeting is over. A high priority call could make the phone vibrate or ring depending on the situation and my preferences.

      Yeah, I'd rather see this - have businesses install a short-range beacon to announce itself along with information I might be interested in (hours, movie times, etc) and then my phone can do what I want with the information. Though I suppose it could easily be done with geolocation if it worked indoors.

    2. Re:What I'd like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could use a WIFI hotspot as a trigger or better yet put a cradle or compartment on the arm rest/table that has a RFID tag for NFC.

    3. Re:What I'd like... by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      And for that work, we'd need a way for the phone system to convey call priority. Both on the handset and on the backend systems. Easier said than done.

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  20. More overhead for someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So who is going to volunteer to maintain a list of every movie theater's latitude and longitude? How will they be paid? Will this sort of "location aware" 'feature' be turned into a premium cost of a few pennies per user that is silently added to every smartphone with it enabled (or, with licensing, a few dollars)? What happens when whoever decides to maintain this list doesn't feel like it anymore?

    1. Re:More overhead for someone by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Sounds a lot like basic mapping features that date back to Mapquest.

      "Am I in a theater" is the same problem as "are we there yet" or "where can I see the latest special effects spectacular".

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    2. Re:More overhead for someone by hawguy · · Score: 1

      So who is going to volunteer to maintain a list of every movie theater's latitude and longitude? How will they be paid? Will this sort of "location aware" 'feature' be turned into a premium cost of a few pennies per user that is silently added to every smartphone with it enabled (or, with licensing, a few dollars)? What happens when whoever decides to maintain this list doesn't feel like it anymore?

      If Google can publish photos of every business, including photos from the *inside* of many businesses, it doesn't seem unreasonable for them to add a field to describe the business type (theater, school, hospital, fire station, etc) in their map database.

  21. MsShotgun? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Like the MsShotgun?

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  22. Wait what? by TheRecklessWanderer · · Score: 1

    So the idea is that Microsoft will know your location at all times? And i'm sure they won't sell that information to interested 3rd parties. It'll turn the phone into a bratty little brother/sister who reports everything you do to home base.

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    1. Re:Wait what? by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Smartphones already are guilty of this, so how is it really any different than what's going on currently?

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    2. Re:Wait what? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      You don't even need a smartphone with GPS functionality. Any cell phone has the capability of pinpointing your geographical location with pretty decent accuracy as long as it is turned on and connected to cell towers. And, of course, a traditional home phone line/number is traceable to the exact address/person... the only advantage is that you can't just take a home phone everywhere you go and use it, so it's locked to that location. Which is exactly why cell phones were invented and are currently eclipsing traditional phone lines in popularity.

  23. what by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

    If the phone is in your pocket (or purse) how can the phone determine if the lights have gone down? Does is see through cloth and leather?

    What if microsofts location information turns out to be as accurate as Apple Maps? Will phones randomly go silent?

  24. Lights by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

    Err, how would it detect that the lights have gone down if it's in your pocket?

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  25. why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the fuck do I even read this god forsaken site? fuck this place, never coming back

  26. Being "That Guy" might not be so bad by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Being "That Girl" was OK for Marlo Thomas.

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  27. Well, by RLU486983 · · Score: 1
    many phone models already have some sort of functionality similar/same as this.

    Most assuredly, as with many other phone features available, this is something that will have a ON/OFF toggle function and many people will simply have it set to OFF no different than the similar functionality is currently set to on their phones today.

  28. Not disturb by phone sounds? by houghi · · Score: 1

    The phone sounds that disturb me are not coming from the phone. It is the people USING the phone.
    And most of the time this is not even the sound that disturb me.
    It is people who I am trying to have a conversation with, but they pick up their phone every 30 seconds and answer some message.
    Then when you wait till they are finished, they say: pleas go on, I am listening. In reality they answer each question with 'huh?'.
    Perhaps next time I should take out my phone, keep on talking and texting them that they are extremely rude.

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  29. How can you SURVIVE with your phone OFF!?!?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    OMFG!

    Someone could TEXT you and you'd not be able to respond UNTIL YOU TURNED YOUR PHONE ON!

  30. When the lights have gone down? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

    Do they mean, when the person puts the phone away in his or her pocket? I'm not sure exactly how light sensing is a good method of telling anything about the location of a phone, even when combined with GPS data...

  31. A high school kid did this. by JATMON · · Score: 1

    A couple years ago I was a judge for a county science fair and one of the entrants was kid that wrote an app that did this. He did it so that he would not get his phone taken away while he was in school.

    1. Re:A high school kid did this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple years ago I was a judge for a county science fair and one of the entrants was kid that wrote an app that did this. He did it so that he would not get his phone taken away while he was in school.

      Luckily when I was in high school no member of the faculty ever tried to confiscate my property.

      But if they had, it wouldn't happen without a fight. Trying to take my property that I own, against my will, from my person, by force, is a violent crime known as robbery. I would be well within my rights to defend myself.

  32. wait... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Can this device also detect when any of my friends are around and hide the microsoft/windows logo and show an Android one instead?

  33. WOW! (not really...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the sort of app that "some guy", or Jeddiah's wife (http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3381701&cid=42585393) could produce and release for free, but if a megacorp think of it, they have to patent it.

    I leave my phone at home when I go to the cinema, nobody's that important that I want to ruin my movie by listening to them, *and* look pike a p***k in front of a theatre full of people. They can leave a message...

  34. Movies, meals or meetings by PPH · · Score: 1

    That's going to be one heck of a database. Every little bistro, conference hall, concert hall, tavern with live music, etc.

    Why not some short range (Bluetooth?) protocol on a device that broadcasts a "please use quiet mode" signal?

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    1. Re:Movies, meals or meetings by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      That'd be nice if Bluetooth was enabled by default on every cell phone and Bluetooth wasn't a massive power hog when the radio is in idle mode.

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  35. locate app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There already are apps that enable that and many more things...

  36. What the patent actually says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the abstract of the patent:

    A communication device is configured to switch from a normal mode of operation to an inconspicuous mode of operation in which a reduced set of information is presented on a home screen of a display of the device in comparison to a set of information presented on the home screen in the normal mode of operation. In addition, other display properties such as contrast and brightness may be adjusted to make them less conspicuous. The home screen in the inconspicuous mode of operation is less obtrusive or conspicuous to individuals than in the normal mode of operation. The device may enter the inconspicuous mode upon user request or by detecting at least one environmental condition using a sensor available to the mobile communication device. The environmental condition may be anything that the device can detect or sense in its surrounding environment such as ambient light or sound. The device may return to the normal mode of operation by user request or when the environmental condition is no longer present.

    I expected that the summary had misrepresented the claim, but after reading this I can't see how this can be considered an innovation as there are numerous apps providing the same functionality.

  37. You wouldn't buy a screaming hat by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone who is aware of my surroundings and generally conscientious, I simply turn my phone to "vibrate" or even - God forbid - OFF... It works very well indeed.

    I agree with you, in this particular case. But there will be situations where I find something trivial and obvious that you find to be a pain in the ass, and vice-versa. Once person might say "I'm aware of what I'm watching and it's trivial and foolproof to press fast-forward on my Tivo remote when there's a commercial" and the other person might say "I shouldn't have to do that or think about that, when I'm trying to concentrate on the actresses' boobies, so mythfrontend should automatically commercial-skip for me." One person might say "I want a padlock icon when it is a totally sure thing (except for a glossed-over list of exceptions, all of which I want to always be un-acknowledged) there is no MitM attack, and I want lack of an icon when the certainty is less than 100.00%; I don't want to think about grey areas and degrees of certainty" and another person might prefer a realistic UI which says "MiTM is probably not happening" or "MitM is very very likely not happening" or "The level of conspiracy required for a MitM right now, has precedent." or "You only have one stranger's assurance that nothing shady is going on, and betrayal would require no conspiracy at all."

    We say just a little awareness and common sense solves the problem, maybe because our phones happen to be something we sometimes think about, for whatever reasons that have emerged from our personal quirks. Someone else says "I shouldn't have to be aware of something as unimportant as the current sleep/wake state of one of my pocket computers, among the dozen items I happen to be carrying." If eyeglasses or shoes or hats sometimes spontaneously started screaming in response to external activity, that same person might want the behavior automatically suppressed at some times, whereas you and I would probably raise an eyebrow at the thought of ever buying a screaming hat in the first place, because we already have enough to worry about (our phones) without having to worry about screaming hats.

    Different strokes for different folks.

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    1. Re:You wouldn't buy a screaming hat by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      Different strokes for different folks.

      lol... you know the groupthink here is the only right way.

      I'd rather see some kind of signal being sent that you can set to alert, or automatically accept or always ignore rather than location-based services, but location is easier to deal with for now, I'm sure. I agree that this shouldn't be something patentable unless it's a very unique implementation... and even then probably not.

    2. Re:You wouldn't buy a screaming hat by Sepodati · · Score: 2

      Actually, from reading further down it looks like there is a claim 6 that triggers this based on a signal from a wifi access point.

    3. Re:You wouldn't buy a screaming hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't surprise me. MS has a history of poorly conceived of and implemented ideas. The theater would have to have WiFi, but not just that, the wifi would have to be restricted to just the inside of the theater. Which means, that they would have to block wireless signals in order to work. I doubt very much that they'll install the necessary materials to just block the wifi either.

    4. Re:You wouldn't buy a screaming hat by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't have to provide Internet access, just have a low power transmitter in each theater to notify the phones. I'm assuming this would be something just broadcast, like in the beacon frames. Theaters are usually built pretty solid to insulate the sound, so I doubt there'd be much issue about leakage.

  38. You actually can patent that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, this is mad. It is wrong. So wrong. A location based serivce which disables the alerts of a phone. Come on! On the other hand it is just consequent. They also accepted a patent on the progress bar. Maybe I should patent a technology which produces fart noises in cinemas. I am absolutely sure, that people would want that.

  39. Silence thy neighbour's phone by beinsvein · · Score: 1

    So this is an idea: When you set your phone to "stealth", it will start broadcasting, maybe once per minute, some kind of bluetooth or wifi message that urges neighboring phones to go into stealth mode automatically. If the other phones pick up enough of these requests and are so configured, they will comply. Phones going into stealth mode automatically don't retransmit the request. It only works when you have a large number of phones in a small area, which also happens to be when it needs to work. Possibility of abuse, some.

    1. Re:Silence thy neighbour's phone by causality · · Score: 1

      So this is an idea: When you set your phone to "stealth", it will start broadcasting, maybe once per minute, some kind of bluetooth or wifi message that urges neighboring phones to go into stealth mode automatically. If the other phones pick up enough of these requests and are so configured, they will comply. Phones going into stealth mode automatically don't retransmit the request. It only works when you have a large number of phones in a small area, which also happens to be when it needs to work. Possibility of abuse, some.

      Anything to avoid being responsible adults, considerate of those around you, right?

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  40. The idea is... by stefaanh · · Score: 1

    that this is not an invention, but an idea, or worse, a combination of several simple ideas. It's like a patent for a pianodeskbed, something that you can sleep in while playing the piano, sitting on a desk. Wow, are we clever at Microsoft. Are we quick at Apple?

    Every time I leave home my phone reminds me to take it with me, based on location. Wait, no, sorry... I get back on that one.

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    1. Re:The idea is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >pianodeskbed
      Sh*t. I Need one of those NOW.
      My address is:....

  41. Cant do it. Violates first amendment rights. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    What Microsoft is saying is plausible, it might even be patentable, but it won't fly because it is unconstitutional.

    It unfairly and unilaterally impedes the first amendment rights of the callers who have the right to express their opinion that the callee would benefit by the new and exciting services the caller has to offer. Corporations are people my friend. Robot autodialers are agents of the corporate-people who are assigned the right from the corporate people.

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    1. Re:Cant do it. Violates first amendment rights. by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      Too bad robo-dialing cell phones is illegal, or else I'd have almost taken that seriously.

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    2. Re:Cant do it. Violates first amendment rights. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They patented Windows, and are clearly working on patenting Sunlight(tm).

      I know that I am in a place that it is not polite to receive phone calls,
      but MY phone does not. SO I PULL THE BATTERY.
      Patent that TROLL!

      Now, how does my phone know its in a place that it is impolite to receive phone calls?
      Because it has no power, OVER ME.
      ( You can patent that too Micro$oft ).

  42. Ms Learning Curve by mevets · · Score: 1

    Last year they applied for patents on interpreting users striking their devices. Now, they want to make devices less annoying.

    Are they learning from their previous mobile efforts?

    Hey Bob, users find our phones annoying and want to hit them. Can we do something with that?

  43. In other patent news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft have patented 'mesh pockets' transparent to both sound and light waves.

  44. need app for the toilet by kencurry · · Score: 1

    Seriously, the worst are idiots talking into neck-cradled mobile and pissing into the urinal. I feel sorry for the person on the other end of the conversation.

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    1. Re:need app for the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When at the toilet I keep pushing the red button once. If they decide to be a pain in the ass, they're gonna hear the pain coming out of mine... What you observed is the acustic equivalent to goatse links

  45. This better trun off when you call 911 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    This better trun off when you call 911 as the last thing you want to for the sound to be to low when you call 911.

    1. Re:This better trun off when you call 911 by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      This would only effect ringer volume, not call volume.

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  46. Not patentable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android "Smart Actions" have been doing this for years and I'm sure there is an equivalent in iOS. Again, this is not patentable.

  47. Why are US people so annoying with their phones? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Here in Australia, all the movie theaters (the ones I have been to at least) have signs in the lobby that say "turn off your phone during the show" and they have signage on-screen during the ads that says "turn off your phone during the show". I have never experienced people being annoying with their phones.

    What about the US is different and why cant theaters just tell people to turn off their phone (make it a condition of entry and eject people being annoying). If you absolutely have to be contactable, you should either not go to the movie in the first place or you should set your phone to vibrate and leave the theater to use it.

  48. I want this for my car's GPS by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I have long wanted my TomTom to sense the sound level of what is going on around it and to detect if someone in the car is talking. If it detects talking, it will merely beep and put text on the display when it has something to say.

    I can't tell you how many times that thing interrupts conversation in the car with some speech I would rather not hear at that exact moment. A beep with text and maybe a "say it anyway" button would be great.

  49. Re:Why are US people so annoying with their phones by erroneus · · Score: 2

    Because in the US rudeness varies a lot as do our other personality attributes. There are some ethnic/cultural attributes which vary interestingly. For example, asian people seem to have the most positive of stereotypes where they are nearly always concerned about whether or not they are in someone else's way. They never want to be rude. Black people tend to be the opposite as they never seem to care when they are in the way of anyone else, talking TO the movies and more. White and hispanic people seem to vary more in the middle of the spectrum. I think it's also important to note that while the stereotypes are "generally" true, I know some black people who simply do not fit the description at all as well as a few asians who aren't very 'asian.' But everyone seems increasingly comfortable talking about the problem of black people in the movie theaters so why can't we tell the rest of the truth and be okay with it?

    I guess it would have been enough to say "we have a lot of different types of people and personalities in the US and we don't think or act the same." But sometimes I like to elaborate.

  50. Really? This is the best they could come up with? by artfulshrapnel · · Score: 1

    Here's a better version of this technology for movie theaters, and I'll give it away free: Movie manufacturers can add a short ultrasonic code at the beginning of each film's audio track that alerts the phone a movie is starting, and also encodes the film's length so the phone knows when to turn back on. Phones can run a free "Movie Silence" app that runs in the background (or better yet, bundle it into the OS to save on overhead).

    Of course, for safety and user control the "Movie Auto-Silence" option should be a toggleable setting with emergency overrides, probably for specific contacts or in certain locations. (i.e. you wouldn't want your phone silencing itself at your own house)

  51. Sounds like my idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Granted, my proposal was a little different as most phones did not have GPS. So I proposed little transmitters movie theaters could purchase. But same concep...

    So here we go, prior art from 2004.
    http://www.whynot.net/ideas/1242

  52. Once Again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another Patent Office Rubber Stamp without any type of search. I wish the USPO could be invalidated

  53. Prior art! by AaronW · · Score: 1

    I have been using an Android app called Locale which was designed with just that in mind. It allows me to change my phone's configuration based on location, time of day and a bunch of other criteria. For example, it can change my wallpaper and ringtone when I'm at work, mute notifications at night, etc. I have been using this app for years.

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  54. FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prior. Fucking. Art.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kebab.Llama&hl=en

  55. My MSc thesis implemented this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My MSc thesis implemented this with an identical use case as the primary example. A phone that changes modes based on the play state of a home theatre, location information, the identity of the caller, etc, would change the how the phone interacted with its users.

    http://qspace.library.queensu.ca/handle/1974/7430

  56. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Silence" sign in local library.

  57. Re:And you would lose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What with all that "legal crap" in the terms of sale. Enjoy the butthurt.

  58. No invention = Negative PR value by mattr · · Score: 1

    Honestly where is the invention in this.
    Why don't companies get a clue that it is negative PR to be patenting obvious things like laying mines for unsuspecting people to stumble over and get sued!

  59. Patenting an algorithm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so glad I don't live in one of the tiny number of oppressive regimes that actually have software patents.

    How primitive. Next you will be telling me they still don't use metric as well!

  60. another senseless patent by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    These kinds of patents always make me wonder... if back in the days this kind of patent practice would've been the norm, imagine how after the first discovery and implementation of a for/while loop concept every company would've run to the USPTO and patent something they "invented" based on the loop. Yes, it's a bit extreme, but sometimes you have to be so, to make a point. So, let's say you have a computing device (I couldn't care less if it's mobile or not, all computing devices _should_ be treated the same way, because they are, and no, size doesn't matter) that has location identification capabilities, and instead of letting anyone implement their ideas based on using such location information, people line up and patent everything they can come up with. We know location, let's patent silencing your device, let's patent actually telling you where you are, let's patent changing backgrounds and sounds based on your location, let's patent changing the time based on your location, let's patent switching your navigation map based on your location, let's patent texting your wife that you're close to home, ............. we just arrive to a point where you can't really do anything anymore. Some people call those sci-fi movies unreal which show societies where companies control everything. Do you think we didn't arrive there yet in this and similar fields? Think again: we're awfully close.

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  61. Just patented in Soviet Russia by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    "Phone That Silences the World for You"

  62. Two words by bbigbigmouth · · Score: 0

    Nokia Situations. (I had it on my 5800, and it worked very well)

  63. Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://getpebble.com/

  64. What bothers me. by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

    What bothers me is that you folks walk around with a device in your pocket tracking your every move, every purchase, every "like", and every time you belch. I can't see myself ever doing that.

  65. DO NOT ENABLE STUPID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People, come on. What is next, smart wipe toilet paper that wipes my ass when it senses fecal matter around my poop-chute? What we need isn't a phone that thinks for you...if anything, it should make the phone 10 times louder than it would be otherwise while in the movie theater. Maybe people will learn to use, I dunno, their BRAINS?

  66. Some useful information for posters by cundare · · Score: 1
    Lately, I've launched a one-man campaign to educate Slashdot posters who comment on the generally-Glenn-Beck-class-misinformed stories posted in this forum about patent law. It's my hope that discussing some of the most commonly misconstrued concepts intrinsic to the patent system can raise the level of discourse here.

    So today's nugget is about what constitutes a patent being "obvious." It may not be what you think. If someone suggests an idea to you, you might think, "Jeez, that's obvious!" and discount the idea as something you should have thought of first.

    That's not what obviousness has ever meant in the patent system. "Obviousness" means that, to a person skilled in the art of the invention, it would have been obvious to combine features of existing inventions to create the claimed invention. The obviousness doesn't apply to the features themselves -- they need to already exist in analogous inventions. The obviousness analysis applies to the obviousness of combining those features into one invention.

    So, if you assert that a claimed invention is "obvious," you need to show that every claimed feature -- every one! -- already existed in one or more prior invention. And then you need to demonstrate why it would be obvious for a person skilled in the art to combine them.

    There's more to it than that, of course. Case law has drawn boundaries and conditions around the methods that can be used to perform these analyses and around the types of inventions that may be considered. And there are cases wherein secondary considerations, or even the very nature of some inventions, would actually "teach away" from, rather than suggest a combination. There are also cases when a feature is read into an analysis because it truly is "obvious" in the colloquial sense (it's obvious to design a water-holding vessel so that it does not leak).

    Hope this is helpful, because I think most people who post here really do want to feel like they know what they're talking about, and when they make statements that just seem silly to someone working in the field, it's not intentional.

    So now you know. If you want to educate yourself further about the concept of patent obviousness, Google the KSR v. Teleflex, 550 U.S. 398 (2007) case and review commentary on 35 U.S.C. 103.

  67. I would love this by elabs · · Score: 1

    I pretty much never take my phone off of vibrate mode because of the fear of forgetting about it and making a scene during some very somber moment.

  68. cinemas, etc can jam the signals anyway by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    Even not actively, just by building a Faraday cage into their buildings. Or actively jam too, like some jails do, because significant proportion of the jail's outside.

  69. There's no constitional right to cell phone use by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    Families coped fine without them until relatively recently.

    So stop whinging & expecting life to be at your beck n call.

  70. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia cell phones had this features for decades.

  71. I'm sorry, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if we weren't already insulated enough from interacting with our environment, or the concerns of other humans, let's give ourselves the ability to be less consciously considerate of others.