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Hacktivism: Civil Disobedience Or Cyber Crime?

An anonymous reader writes "You don't necessarily have to a hacker to be viewed as one under federal law. ProPublica breaks down acts of 'hacktivism' to see what is considered criminal under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. It points out that both Aaron Swartz and Bradley Manning were charged under the CFAA. Quoting: 'A DDoS attack can be charged as a crime under the CFAA, as it “causes damage” and can violate a web site’s terms of service. The owner of the site could also file a civil suit citing the CFAA, if they can prove a temporary server overload resulted in monetary losses. ... The charges for doxing depend on how the information was accessed, and the nature of published information. Simply publishing publicly available information, such as phone numbers found in a Google search, would probably not be charged under the CFAA. But hacking into private computers, or even spreading the information from a hack, could lead to charges under the CFAA.'"

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  1. MLK and friends went to jail as well by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a lot of you kids seem to forget that. they went to jail, they walked for miles rather than take the bus and they were beat up by rednecks.

    1. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a lot of you kids seem to forget that. they went to jail, they walked for miles rather than take the bus and they were beat up by rednecks.

      Exactly.

      The only way to break insane IP "rules" about copyright (which should be 17 years with one renewal by the Person who is the author) and patents (which should be 13 years with one renewal by the Person who is the author) and "who owns stuff" is to crash the system.

      Information just wants to be free.

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    2. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, we remember. It's the authorities who need to remember that sometimes they are on the wrong side of history.

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    3. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only way to break insane IP "rules" ... is to crash the system.

      Well yes, "crashing the system" is "breaking the rules."

      What you want is to CHANGE the rules, and crashing the system is the last thing you want to do to accomplish that goal. If you "crash the system" then you are, in the legal and legislative system, part of the problem that the system must be reinforced to protect against. You are not going to be seen as part of the solution.

      It's like protesting the 65MPH speed limit on the interstate highway by driving 90MPH. The legislature isn't going to say "this shows that we need to increase the speed limit", they are going to increase the budget for the state police so there are more cops to give out more tickets. Or protesting TSA rules about screening procedures by trying to sneak your way past all the screeners with a pocket knife, or smuggling in a prohibited item through the vendor access system. That just proves that there are dangerous people that TSA needs to protect us against, not that they are a failure that needs to be eliminated.

      Information just wants to be free.

      Information isn't a sentient thing, and thus has no "want" associated with it. YOU want information to be free, even information that other people spent money creating. That's an entirely different thing.

    4. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The original quote was "Information wants to be free. Information also wants to be expensive.", which itself is a summation of a longer quote. Just quoting the first part changes the meaning dramatically.

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    5. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 2

      I'm sick of seeing that phrase. Information doesn't want anything.

      Just because you're sick of seeing it, doesn't make it less true. "Want" is just the expression used to demonstrate idea's inherent nature to spread themselves.

      And, no. Wanting to download "Alf" is a serious sign of mental illness. It is not "perfectly fine".

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    6. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, just because you were also arrested doesn't evangelize your cause to the same level as civil rights

      Or conversely, just because you were also arrested doesn't demonize your cause to the same level as beating your wife. In other words, legality is neither an argument for or against whether an act is just or wrong.

    7. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      ... want information to be free, even information that other people spent my tax money creating.

      FTFY

    8. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Americano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To your "information wants to be free," I respond, "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

      The cost of COPYING information once it's been produced is dropping in price each and every day. The cost of CREATING novel information - be it scientific research, music, film, a book, or anything else - but still has a minimum cost floor: the value of the time required for a person to produce it + the cost of tools + development of the skills required + time & cost of training required to be able to create it. That cost will never be "zero" for useful, desirable information.

      Put that in your ribosomes and translate it.

    9. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well yes, "crashing the system" is "breaking the rules."

      Unless you're a banker.

      Information isn't a sentient thing, and thus has no "want" associated with it.

      Information tends towards freedom. Like water tends to assume the shape of its container. Saying "wants" is a cute anthropomorphism that is irrelevant to the point.

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    10. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't have points to give, but I would mod the parent "Informative" if I could. Civil disobedience in the 21st century is a method by which citizens are allowed to self-select their second-class citizenship, irrespective of injustice or lack of consequences for law-breaking by the powerful. Organizing protest is the surest way to have your rights limited ("possible terrorist") and to be the subject of (now legally endorsed) Nixonian tactics of intimidation.

    11. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Bureaucromancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moreover, by definition Civil Disobedience involves breaking the law.

    12. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by s.petry · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree, but will point out the logical issue that was supposed to be addressed by the system of Patents and Copyrights which were put in the books as Law.

      Without a basic understanding of a Steam Engine, a new form of Engine would not have been possible (at least within the timelines we have them invented). Patenting the Steam Engine is allowed, for only 7 years time. And in fact, it needed to be that exact apparatus to be patentable. Me watching the steam engine, came to a logical next step. Why not burn something else, like Gasoline or Kerosine and make an engine from that?

      So the nature of discovery, even according to great minds like Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison (No intent to appeal to authority, but rather quoting people that have stated similar thoughts) is to piggy back on previous ideas to evolve better and better solutions.

      So in practice, the "Steam Engine" was not patentable as a generic concept. The "Hoover Model A. Steam Engine" was patentable. The concept of a steam engine was not copyrightable. However your wording to describe the engine would be copyrightable.

      Do you see the difference? The original intent was to protect people from plagiarism. Not so that someone "owned" ideas. In fact the wording of the laws and thoughts on the laws explicitly state that the laws can not be used to "own" ideas. The British allowed "ownership" of thoughts and ideas, and this was appalling to those that worked on the US Law.

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    13. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you're a banker.

      The bankers were operating under the rules as implemented by the Senate Banking Committee and Mssrs. Frank and Christopher, who were explicit in saying that the system was not broken and did not need fixing, right up to the point that it failed.

      When you demand that banks ignore all the risk indicators when making home loans, those risky loans have to go somewhere and they will, eventually, become a problem for everyone. The goal of everyone owning their own home was fine, but when the means was through relaxed credit requirements (like 0-down and low ARM and including income "credits" in the calculations) then the collapse was easily predictable.

      It wasn't rocket science for me to predict that an ARM I was offered for my home loan would result in default when the balloon came due; it shouldn't have been a mystery when the balloons for other ARMs came due and people defaulted.

    14. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Garridan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From wikipedia: "Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power." So yeah, spousal abuse could be seen to be civil disobedience if the KKK member in question was flagrant about it. Bottom line is, civil disobedience means breaking the law. Not every cause is just, and a court's job is to uphold the law -- the people who go to jail might just stay there.

    15. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is one of the key things which distinguishes MLK, Gandhi, Occupy and everyone else who has participated in civil disobedience from piracy.

      A key part of civil disobedience is that you actually take the rap for the law you're breaking. You dare the authorities to arrest you, giving them a choice to enforce an unjust because in doing so, they have to make a choice between enforcing an unjust law or not.

      Piracy is more like everyone (I'd wager there are a few people here) who broke those so-called "sodomy laws", which existed until about ten years ago in the US. Some states, you may recall, actually outlawed certain non-exploitative sex acts between consenting adults carried out in private. (If you're not familiar with the phrase "sodomy law", don't be fooled; some of them outlawed acts which, if you have ever had sex, you have probably done.) In that case, most people who thought about it believed that the most appropriate response to the bad laws is to ignore them.

      Not that I'm advocating this, mind. But there are many pirates who honestly believe that current copyright law is unjust, and rather than stand up, be counted, and take the rap, they choose to just ignore the law in private.

      Anonymous occupies an interesting point between the two.

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    16. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      When you demand that banks ignore all the risk indicators when making home loans,

      Sounds nice but it's a DAMNED LIE

      Nobody ordered the banks to make bad loans on McMansions. They were ordered to stop a number of discriminatory practices like redlining and to find a way to make mortgage loans to first time buyers without requiring as large of a down payment. Those loans should have been modest in size, sufficient for a starter home, not for a McMansion. They most certainly were not ordered to build time bombs into those loans and offer bad advice as to the risks involved.

      Most assuredly nobody ordered them to make a bunch of huge hot-potato loans and fraudulantly re-package them as AAA rated investments.

      But the bankers who did all of that sure appreciate your gullibility.

    17. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      A lot of "experienced" drivers are, in fact, "lucky so far".

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    18. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The FBI informed the banks that over 90% of stated income loans were fraudulent. In response, the banks increased the number of stated income loans they made. That is racketeering.

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    19. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Assaulting a person is never an act of civil disobedience. Civil disobedience revolves around the disruption of economic activity, where that economic activity harms people and is the result of corruption. Beating a person who is not not capable of defending themselves in not civil disobedience. Riot Police are not acting out in civil disobedience when they attack protesters and seek to publicly torture, humiliate and kill any who resist the demands of psychopathic greed. They are acting fully in accord with the corruption of psychopathic greed.

      So no, civil disobedience is really the refusal to do something not the carrying out of an act of direct personal violence. DDOS, pushes the boundary, as the access attempting is normal and repeated attempts are legal, you are just not limiting those attempts. Only a sick idiot would attempt to compare blocking some ones drive with attempting to beat someone near to death in order to force slave like obedience.

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    20. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by menno_h · · Score: 2

      If you're saying it shouldn't illegal for me to break into a school's wiring cabinet and hook up my laptop to get access to things, you're a moron.

      There are perfectly valid laws against burglary and breaking and entering. If Aaron Swartz were persecuted for that, no one would complain. The problem is that he was not; he was being persecuted for computer fraud and he was facing a longer prison sentence than someone who assists a terrorist group in building a nuke (20 years max), while his "computer crime" was totally victimless.
      Bradley Manning did commit a nonvictimless crime. He stole secret documents, but in doing this he uncovered some far more horrible crimes of the American army. He might be a criminal, but he does not deserve a 10-year prison sentence.

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    21. Re:MLK and friends went to jail as well by estestvoispytatel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's more complicated — those who practice civil disobedience are actually appealing to the higher instance: the social contract. If the state is not willing to walk along their part of the contract, citizens can proclaim yourself free from the law as well.

  2. I have no idea what this is supposed to be saying by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't necessarily have to a hacker to be viewed as one under federal law...But hacking into private computers, or even spreading the information from a hack, could lead to charges under the CFAA.

    So you do have to hack in order to be a hacker? Or release hacked information? Is there a legal definition of "hacker" and is it as horrible as the one in the mind of whoever wrote this inane summary?

  3. Real world equivalents by tokencode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Things in the virtual world should be treated as their real-world equivalents. DDOS is the same as preventing access to a business, this is illegal in the physical world. You can picket, but you cannot impeded customers' access to the facility. For Doxing, if you steal the information, you are liable. This should be no different in the virtual world. If the info was publically accessible, go for it. If it was obtained illegally, then you have to pay the consequences.

    1. Re:Real world equivalents by lattyware · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hate how hard this concept appears to be for so many people - it's so damn obvious, why does the fact it's online make a damn bit of difference? Likewise, if I send a communication to someone, the government shouldn't be able to start looking at it. It's true for post, so why do so many governments keep trying to pretend it shouldn't be so for email?

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    2. Re:Real world equivalents by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Things in the virtual world should be treated as their real-world equivalents.

      There's no law that prevents me from going to a Chick-Fil-A and standing in line, and when I get up to the front to order saying "I'd like... hrm... um.. I would liiiike.... oh yeah, I'd like marriage equality for homosexuals." If I get a few thousand of my friends together to do just that, I've created a real world DDOS that is entirely legal.

      Similarly, there is no law that prevents me from requesting index.html on a site. If I get a few thousand of my friends together to do that, I've done a DDOS. So why should that be illegal?

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    3. Re:Real world equivalents by Golddess · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I get a few thousand of my friends together to do just that, I've created a real world DDOS that is entirely legal.

      Until the manager says that all such protesters should GTFO or the cops will be called to deal with a bunch of trespassers.

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    4. Re:Real world equivalents by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure, but they don't know me from a customer until I wait in line and waste their resources. Once I say "marriage equality" the manager can ask me to leave and I will, but it's too late then.

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    5. Re:Real world equivalents by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, say you did a DOS on a company, Chances are they are hosting their services at some data center who will be hosting for other organizations as well.

      At my Previous Job, About 1000 Practices lost access to their Electronic Medical Records for a few minutes (as we switched to an other data center) because our primary data center main network router got killed because they were also hosting some Bank that those hackers didn't like.
      Yes you could tout that we could have done a better job at our fail-over method, but that is like blaming an innocent bystanders for getting shot because they didn't think to put on a bullet proof vest that day.

      Expanding you analogy it would be like protesters also blocking entrance to a neighboring business that has nothing to do with the protest.

      Hacktivism is just stupid. For one it could have unintended side effects secondly due to its anonymous nature you are not getting your point across, besides I don't like you.

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    6. Re:Real world equivalents by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Point of order:

      Most cities/townships actually try to notify the businesses at least 3 months beforehand, and go out of their way (in most cases) to accommodate the businesses affected.

      There's also the demonstrable need to do road maintenance, else the entrance to your business eventually winds up a potholed obstacle course.

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    7. Re:Real world equivalents by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How would you even write a law to make such practice illegal?

      Easy. It's called "trespass". It's already a law.

      I would go to great lengths to not provoke someone into or motivate someone to organizing such an attack.

      In other words, the only people who have the right to free speech are those who say things you agree with. Otherwise, you'll organize a mob to come stop them from earning a living doing something completely unrelated to whatever opinion it is you don't like.

  4. False Dichotomy by Palestrina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a false dichotomy. Something can be both cyber crime and civil disobedience. In fact, that is exactly what civil disobedience is supposed to be. It is not being loud, or annoying, or marching or protesting. Those things are basic 1st Amendment rights.

    Civil disobedience, on the other hand, is intentionally breaking a law that is considered unjust or immoral, in order to draw attention to the injustice. Think of Thoreau, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, etc. But note that none of them would break the law and then complain about being charged with the crime. In fact, that was the whole point, being caught, and getting attention.

    1. Re:False Dichotomy by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Exactly, we have gotten to the point where people want exceptions made to the law, not in the law itself, but in the enforcement of the law. This is the path to either tyranny or anarchy (more likely the former), because it means that those in charge of deciding who to prosecute get to decide what is and is not a crime. Either the law is a good law and should be enforced against all who break it, or it is a bad law and should be changed.

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    2. Re:False Dichotomy by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, actually Thoreau's idea when he coined the term "civil disobedience" was to simply disobey such a law. It was Gandhi who noticed the publicity value of disobeying unjust laws and watching the authorities dish out beat-downs to enforce it.

      What's also particularly interesting is that many acts widely seen as civil disobedience were acts that weren't legitimately against the law in the first place. For instance, Martin Luther King's crime in Birmingham was that he walked down a sidewalk in the front of a group of people singing songs (specifically protected by the First Amendment), following traffic laws, towards City Hall. He was arrested only because the local police chief had gotten a court order that said that Martin Luther King wasn't allowed to lead or participate in any act of protest in Birmingham, which wasn't a legitimate order for the court to give but gave the police the excuse they needed.

      Also notable is that not all law-breaking that various political groups engage in is (in my view) civil disobedience. Some left-wing groups, for instance, like to commit crimes like trespassing in order to try to draw attention to a completely unrelated injustice. It usually doesn't work, because (a) the authorities don't do anything stupid like beat them up, (b) they pick targets that don't match what they're trying to protest, (c) their criminal acts don't do anything that would right the injustice, and (d) they don't do it in a way that attracts media attention.

      Also relevant is that completely illegitimate and illegal use of force towards protesters now gets significant support from people who really should know better. For instance, the various cases of police pepper-spraying Occupy Wall Street protesters for the heinous crime of walking down a sidewalk holding signs actually had a lot of people saying how glad they were that the cops were doing that.

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  5. Exclusive? by blueg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not really civil disobedience unless what you're doing is a crime.

  6. It depends... by Hrrrg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Civil disobedience is about making a statement that a law is unjust. Therefore, it has to be done in the open, and you have to take responsibility for your actions. If you are hiding what you are doing, then you're just breaking the law.

  7. If civil disobedience, also cybercrime by DragonWriter · · Score: 2
    Civil disobedience means breaking the law to protest the injustice of the law. Since the "cyber" part is not in question with hacktivism, it is either:
    • Cybercrime and also civil disobedience, or
    • Cybercrime but not civil disobedience, or
    • Neither cybercrime nor civil disobedience

    The "civil disobedience or cybercrime" dichotomy demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of what "civil disobedience" means.

  8. Dr. McCoy by yawmite · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can you get a permit to do an illegal thing? - Dr. McCoy. Star Trek III.

  9. The Hackers by lazarus · · Score: 2

    Yes, poor name, but the BBC recently put together a decent documentary about Hacktivists amongst other cyber security topics called The Hackers. Nothing in it may be news to you but it may be a useful resource for someone you know who doesn't understand the point or how it is done. True to the documentary form, they spent most of it on interviews with the people involved.

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  10. Cybercrime?!? by j-turkey · · Score: 2

    Cybercrime: what rational people refer to as crime.

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  11. Re:I have no idea what this is supposed to be sayi by honestmonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just wish they would leave out when writing the summary. It makes it so to understand.

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  12. Re:active vs. passive? by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    In the US Civil Rights movement (which happened before I was born), I believe the sit-in protests were actively breaking the law in that the black protesters were legally barred from entering the place. They knowingly entering and remained in a place they were prohibited. Often this was private property and they stayed there after the property owner demanded they leave.

    I would point out that sit-in protests would *still* be illegal: trespassing and disorderly conduct at least (I'm not a lawyer). None they less, they seem to have worked. The laws they were trying to overturn were racial segregation laws.

    I'm just trying to explain civil disobedience, not passing judgment on whether DDOS attacks are the equivalent of a sit-in. I haven't decided on that one. But I will say, the sit-in protesters never expected *not* to be arrested.

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  13. Civil Disobedience by Millennium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real protest in civil disobedience starts when you pay the price, not when you do the deed. This is what gets the dialogue started, this is how you draw sympathy to your cause. The activists of decades past understood this. When exactly did we as a culture forget?

    1. Re:Civil Disobedience by Hatta · · Score: 2

      We as a culture forgot to care about people suffering because of unjust laws. Nobody cares if you're disproportinately punished for your civil disobedience, because "it's the law, hrrr".

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  14. Re:I have no idea what this is supposed to be sayi by oodaloop · · Score: 2

    Just because TF accidentally a word doesn't mean you have to be so. You I'm sayin?

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  15. Re:active vs. passive? by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sit-in protesters actually didn't just expect to be arrested. They fully expected to be beaten senseless, and then arrested and jailed, then abused in jail for a while, then lose in court, then go back to jail for a while, then lose whatever college scholarships they had (many of them were students), then be saddled with a criminal record the rest of their life.

    That might give you an idea of how ridiculously brave those people were. Just a thought for the upcoming Martin Luther King holiday.

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  16. People seem to be missing the point... by sesshomaru · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you break the law you are committing a crime, this includes hiding Jews in Nazi Germany or smuggling slaves out of the Antebellum South via the Underground Railway. Yes, breaking bad laws still make you a criminal. I've read commentary saying Aaron Swartz was no Robin Hood, but Robin Hood was considered an extremely vile criminal by law enforcement in his day, if the legend is to be believed.

    Civil Disobedience is one way of disobeying unjust laws. It's where you show open, public contempt for a bad law in the hope that people will see how bad it is. However, it's not the only form of legitimate resistance to unjust laws. In a police state, resisting bad laws anonymously might be the only viable way to protest them. Sometimes that can be civil disobedience too (see "'Repent Harlequin' said the Tick-Tock Man," for a fictional example or some of the plots against Hitler for real life examples).

    Sometimes the purpose of disobeying an unjust law isn't a political protest, but to reduce the harm caused by the law. People who hid Jews under Nazi regimes had no illusions that Der Fuehrer was going to change his mind, they just wanted those particular Jews to be able to avoid being murdered by the State.

    So, some forms of "Hactivism" are public disobedience, some are Anonymous, and some are based on the concept of harm reduction. I'm not sure which version Aaron Swartz was going for, but I don't think it was public disobedience. Some of the rationale I've read from him suggests it was more in the "harm reduction" category, allowing scholars who were being discriminated against in 3rd world countries access to 1st world research.

    I don't think it was worth dying over, though his public suicide does seem to have ended up as a particularly effective form of public disobedience. (Still, it's not going to have much impact on hiding research behind pay-walls. More likely it will end up working against our current draconian computer crime laws, if anything, which was not the actual issue Aaron Swartz was originally trying to address. This is what people are missing, he didn't "win" on the original political issue he was trying to fight though it does seem like JSTOR has given him a partial victory. Rather, the prosecution was so harsh and out of proportion is opened up a whole new set of civil liberty issues related to the case.)

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  17. Re:Information has value and can be owned. Period. by sixsixtysix · · Score: 2

    Do not fuck with other people's shit. Break that rule, and you've lost the argument and all your moral and ethical cover, all at once.

    Stay on the high road. It's the only one that dependably leads anywhere.

    like all those assholes on the underground railroad, right?

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  18. Re:Information has value and can be owned. Period. by deimtee · · Score: 2

    Your post assumes the premise that you can own information. This is incorrect.
    You can own a physical item that embodies a copy of information and, under current law, you can have the exclusive right to distribute some information, but you cannot own the information itself.

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