WindowsAndroid Lets You Run Android 4.0 Natively On Your PC

Awesome by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 06:53 · Score: 1

Will make debugging of mobile HTML5 apps easier

Awesome by Agares · 2013-01-25 06:57 · Score: 1

I always that it would be cool to be able to mess with Android on a desktop. It would be fun to try this VM out.

Chinese product... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 06:57 · Score: 1, Insightful

...do not trust.

Re:Chinese product... by sunderland56 · 2013-01-25 09:33 · Score: 1

So where was your motherboard made?
Re:Chinese product... by thebigmacd · 2013-01-25 09:50 · Score: 1

Taiwan
Re:Chinese product... by sunderland56 · 2013-01-25 09:55 · Score: 1

.... which is the westernized name for the "Republic of China".
Re:Chinese product... by Dahan · 2013-01-25 10:21 · Score: 2

Well, it's another name--there's nothing particularly westernized about the name "Taiwan" (unless you think that "westernized" is synonymous with "Romanized"). Apparently, the name originally comes from one of the aboriginal languages spoken on the island.
Re:Chinese product... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 10:22 · Score: 1

Which is not the same as (mainland) China.
Re:Chinese product... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 10:30 · Score: 2, Insightful

Taiwan
.... which is the westernized name for the "Republic of China".
Which, as much as the People's Republic of China insists to the contrary, is currently a separate country.
Re:Chinese product... by thebigmacd · 2013-01-25 10:36 · Score: 1

...which is not the China everyone is suspicious of.
Re:Chinese product... by Bing+Tsher+E · 2013-01-25 13:41 · Score: 1

Also known as the Taiwan Autonomous Region (sound of Central Committee member in background clearing throat)
Re:Chinese product... by PCM2 · 2013-01-26 06:54 · Score: 1

The Westernized name is Formosa (it's Portuguese).

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i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by etash · 2013-01-25 06:57 · Score: 5, Insightful

how many of you would think it twice before willingly installing software from a chinese software company -- given all the news we hear recently about chinese companies being denied access to important western markets due to security reasons and all.

Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:13 · Score: 5, Insightful

Sandbox it. It's an Android emulator, if it can't run in a sandbox at full mobile device speeds, it's not worth using. If it can't run in a sandbox because it requires administrator access to your boot sector, delete with extreme prejudice.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by noh8rz10 · 2013-01-25 07:16 · Score: 2, Insightful

I agree. I was going to post that here as well, and face the risk of getting modded down. it's simple - why give a chinese company access to your computer, where they can snoop PWs, IDs, CCs, SSNs, etc?
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:36 · Score: 4, Insightful

You mean the accusations without proof from the US government? The same government that's been waging a cyber-war against other countries in secret for years now? The same government who can run surveillance on their own citizens without a warrant by handing someone a post-it note?
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:46 · Score: 3, Insightful

google has lost in China not because of government blocking, but because it sucks in product quality.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. First of all, it does not hinge on "the government", but certain ministry official that want to be well greased. When those are faced between the decision to accept grease from a Chinese and a foreigner, the foreigner always loses; that's why Google's inland competitors are easily pulling ahead. Second, the party recognises the danger of unrestricted flow and exchange of information as provided through Google's search engine, so they would not let them go forward that easily - it is the need to stay in control so that social changes come slowly and gradually, avoiding chaos and upheaval. Lastly, it is ridiculous to claim that Android lacks in quality - the Chinese invented Shanzhai and idolise its culture, to the extent that anyone puts up with the quality of knockoff software when someone else would long since have given up in frustration.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by poetmatt · 2013-01-25 07:51 · Score: 2

You mean....like a VM?
like everyone else runs android on anything other than a phone/tablet? /facepalm for windowsandroid software to even be created
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by gmuslera · 2013-01-25 08:20 · Score: 3, Insightful

The problem with chinese products is that you don't know if they will try to get your data or not. Thats the advantage of US based products/services, with them you are sure
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by iamhassi · 2013-01-25 09:10 · Score: 2

You mean....like a VM?
like everyone else runs android on anything other than a phone/tablet? /facepalm for windowsandroid software to even be created
chrome in android in windows in vmware in windows? #Inception

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Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by fluffy99 · 2013-01-25 09:25 · Score: 3

You mean exactly like CHina, Israel, and other countries are doing? It's naive to assume the US holds a monopoly on cyber espionage.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Patch86 · 2013-01-25 10:06 · Score: 2

That's the point- they're all as bad as each other. Why should I distrust a Chinese product any more than an American one? Neither government has exactly got a rosy reputation for due process in cyberspace. The answer, by the way, is that I don't automatically distrust either; I keep my sensible hat on when installing new software and hardware on my network, and that's it. Any other mindset can only lead to paranoia and madness.
This is just the usual US xenophobia against all things Chinese. If this were any other country of origin, from Russia to Nigeria, Algeria to Zanzibar, you wouldn't hear a peep. Sour grapes about someone else being a superpower, I guess.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by LynnwoodRooster · 2013-01-25 11:47 · Score: 1

You mean....like a VM?
like everyone else runs android on anything other than a phone/tablet? /facepalm for windowsandroid software to even be created
chrome in android in windows in vmware in windows? #Inception
On a MAC...

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Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by HiThere · 2013-01-25 13:48 · Score: 1

Sorry, but I've even heard suspicions about British software.
Nothing wrong with your point that it's bigotted, but China isn't the only country to have people bigotted against them. And I'm not sure they deserve any less skepticism than any of the others. Which is why I prefer GPL software. At least in principle, that can be verified to be honest.

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Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by jrumney · 2013-01-25 14:42 · Score: 1

Especially when the Android emulator that comes with the official Android SDK has been able to do just this ever since the SDK was publically released.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by SomePgmr · 2013-01-25 20:20 · Score: 1

Now you're just being ridiculous.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Mike+Frett · 2013-01-25 21:14 · Score: 1

Why give Microsoft access to your computer, which in turn gives access to the NSA, Chinese, Indians and whom ever else has placed backdoors in there. And no matter what OS you use, every time you open your Browser you give limited data to whatever Website you browse. Your Information isn't safe, anywhere.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by tgd · 2013-01-26 03:51 · Score: 1

Why give Microsoft access to your computer, which in turn gives access to the NSA, Chinese, Indians and whom ever else has placed backdoors in there. And no matter what OS you use, every time you open your Browser you give limited data to whatever Website you browse. Your Information isn't safe, anywhere.
Except, of course, the GP's point happens all the time and yours is imaginary whackjobbery.
Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by lsatenstein · 2013-01-26 06:10 · Score: 1

how many of you would think it twice before willingly installing software from a chinese software company -- given all the news we hear recently about chinese companies being denied access to important western markets due to security reasons and all.
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Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by PCM2 · 2013-01-26 07:00 · Score: 1

That's the point- they're all as bad as each other. Why should I distrust a Chinese product any more than an American one? Neither government has exactly got a rosy reputation for due process in cyberspace.
You've short circuited your thinking. The difference is that in China, a company is synonymous with the government, but in America, companies and the government are separate.
Do American companies collaborate with the government? Sure, sometimes. Do they comply with government laws that gag them from talking about what they're doing? Sure, sometimes. But if I hear the US government has been killing people with drones, and then I'm thinking about doing business with Instagram, I don't think to myself, "Wait -- was Instagram in on that whole drone murder thing?"
With Chinese companies, the gray area is much darker, because you simply cannot do business there without close ties to the government.

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Re:i know what i'm thinking is heavily biased but! by Vlado · 2013-01-26 10:09 · Score: 1

By your logic every convenience store, street food vendor and laundry in China is run by the government?
If not, why does there have to be an assumption that some tech-based company couldn't simply be a private enterprise like everywhere else?

color me skeptical by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 06:59 · Score: 1, Insightful

China? Only if it's completely open source and multiple peers have audited the code for security.

Re:yeah bitch by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:00 · Score: 5, Funny

Chrome on Android on Windows is really fast, huh?

Developers by Therad · 2013-01-25 07:00 · Score: 3, Insightful

Seems like a good thing for android developers. The current simulator is a bit slow.

Re:Developers by inamorty · 2013-01-25 07:16 · Score: 5, Funny

The current simulator is a bit slow.
I'm curious.
What kind of filter are you using that is able to remove all traces of swearing from your post? It's very effective!
Re:Developers by thegarbz · 2013-01-25 11:45 · Score: 1

Who modded this as troll, a Google employee?
It's spot on. I remember (not very fondly) stuffing around with an Android emulator for a while then saying screw this and using an Android phone with ADB to test the software even in the early stages where emulators built into the IDE would be the preference.

From China..? by mr.dreadful · 2013-01-25 07:01 · Score: 4, Interesting

Is anyone else a little hesitant to run Chinese software? I don't want to be xenophobic, but I'm a bit leery of either Russian or Chinese software.

Re:From China..? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:09 · Score: 1

You could always run it in a VM. I intend on trying this out. I'll probably use VMWare.
Re:From China..? by ArhcAngel · 2013-01-25 07:32 · Score: 3, Informative

It's Grand POOBAH!

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Re:From China..? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:44 · Score: 1, Funny

Everything in China should be considered to be under the direct control or influence of their government, which makes anything they produce a Trojan Horse. Scary how much of our stuff relies on so much of their stuff here. I would (were I in charge) insist that the US have at least two (for redundancy) electronics manufacturers/fabricators that use 100% US personnel throughout their company, that ALL of them right down to the guys washing the windows have at least Secret security clearances, and require everything defense, and everything govt., and everything that interfaces with any of the above, including all FDIC/FSLIC/NCUA member financial institutions, etc., use exclusively products from these US companies, or be ineligible to inter-operate, have govt. contracts, be insured, etc. This would include anyone that receives public money, so pretty much all medical facilities, all schools, colleges, farms... we could bring it all back... and it makes no sense not to.
This thing we do where all our critical infrastructure is manufactured by former or current enemies is insane. I'm sure the rationality, the thinking behind it is basically that they can and (hopefully!) do check the chips to make sure there aren't any backdoors, etc., but of course there ARE always, and the only real question is about finding them, and removing them or being able to block them, depending on the technology you're talking about.
Maybe one day we (by which I mean our government) will wake up and go back to making things in our own country before our current practices take a massive bite out of our collective and individual asses. Maybe.
Re:From China..? by Remus+Shepherd · 2013-01-25 07:54 · Score: 1

I am wary of Americans because they are known mass murderes...
If you were inviting me into your house and I had a gun, you would be perfectly reasonable to be wary.
In this case we're inviting Chinese software into our computers. Wariness is still recommended.

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Re:From China..? by Hatta · 2013-01-25 08:26 · Score: 2

That's how I feel about all closed source software. I'm not sure why I should trust American code over Russian or Chinese code.

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Re:From China..? by Virtucon · 2013-01-25 09:03 · Score: 1

Humm, lots of software products, ones that are very good don't come from the US. Acronis, Kaspersky and others aren't "made in the USA." I would think however that any "free" software that isn't open source would be something that I'd avoid, regardless of who produces it.

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Re:From China..? by Richy_T · 2013-01-25 10:11 · Score: 1

However, the same could be said for the US government which actually has a worse record of abuse of US citizens than does the Chinese.
Re:From China..? by blind+biker · 2013-01-25 10:53 · Score: 1

I am a bit hesitant, but the fact is that BlueStacks is a fuming pile of buggy shit, and left me wanting for a better alternative. So, I might try this anyway.

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Re:From China..? by RogL · 2013-01-25 11:03 · Score: 1

However, the same could be said for the US government which actually has a worse record of abuse of US citizens than does the Chinese.
I'm can't remember the last time the US rolled tanks against it's own citizens...
Granted, the occasional SWAT team or quarantined "free speech zone", but there's no US "great firewall".
US is definitely NOT perfect, but I think you're exaggerating a bit.
Re:From China..? by ruir · 2013-01-25 13:15 · Score: 1

I am leery of American software too...so, no American, neither Chinese nor Russian....Italian software write by the mafia for everyone lol
Re:From China..? by ruir · 2013-01-25 13:16 · Score: 1

If you are running Windows you are running a trojan horse by design. Besides, is everyone here too new to remember the NSA keys found in Windows?
Re:From China..? by HiThere · 2013-01-25 13:53 · Score: 1

An EXCELLENT point.
OTOH, whoever your ISP is also has all your e-mails. And so does whatever governmental official was curious about them. (No warrant required, all ISPs appear to be compliant.)
But *WHY* did you give them your password? Not that it's difficult for a large organization to crack any normal machine, but why make it THAT trivial?

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Re:From China..? by HiThere · 2013-01-25 13:59 · Score: 1

I think the last time the US rolled out tanks against it's own citizens was during the 1960's. In the south. But i could have missed a few occasions. (Sometime between "Little Rock" and "I have a dream!", but I can't pin it down any closer after this much time.)
N.B.: When they did it, most citizens outside the area approved. (Or at least most people I knew did.) I don't know whether this is also true in China, but it could well be.

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Re:From China..? by ProfessionalCookie · 2013-01-25 20:06 · Score: 1

Who cares about China, if you don't trust whoever compiled it, it should be in a sandbox. This is THE argument for open source.
Re:From China..? by lsatenstein · 2013-01-26 06:15 · Score: 1

I am running Russian Fedora18 spin (Via RPMFUSION -USER) and loving it. It is Fedora with all codecs, and dvd player, svn, git and it is available in English.
Russian Programmers are no different than American Programmers, and for every Russian software that is on the distribution, you get source. They actually use the Rpmfusion sources for the codecs.
Only one program that I thought should be essential, That was VLC.

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Re:From China..? by ToddInSF · 2013-01-26 07:42 · Score: 1

WTF, you forgot all about Waco ?

Typical American Amnesia...

Does it handle OpenGL, then? by BenJeremy · 2013-01-25 07:02 · Score: 1

OK, for testing apps, this would be nice, since the Android SDK's emulator sucks for most anything people do in apps these days. The emulator doesn't handle OpenGL ES, and probably a lot of other details I haven't bothered with.

Re:Does it handle OpenGL, then? by ewanm89 · 2013-01-25 07:34 · Score: 4, Informative

Actually, hardware accelerated graphics is available in the Android SDK emulator, it's still marked experimental and has a few caveats, but is available (since SDK tools 17).
Re:Does it handle OpenGL, then? by lance_of_the_apes · 2013-01-25 09:30 · Score: 1

Is it enabled by default? Ran extremely slow last time I tried it.
Re:Does it handle OpenGL, then? by ewanm89 · 2013-01-25 10:33 · Score: 1

No it's not, but read the android SDK docs. Google have provided thorough instructions for enabling it, and details of the caveats.

http://androvm.org by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-25 07:02 · Score: 5, Informative

AndroVM is better, runs on GNU/Linux and already supports hardware accelerated OpenGL rendering of Android games when the game installer is not huge (less than 100 MB in size).

Re:http://androvm.org by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · 2013-01-25 07:36 · Score: 5, Funny

Mr. Ballmer, your medication is ready!

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Re:http://androvm.org by phorm · 2013-01-25 08:25 · Score: 4, Interesting

Any luck running Netflix on it?
That's about the only thing other than games I run Windows for.
Re:http://androvm.org by Changa_MC · 2013-01-25 09:01 · Score: 1

you forgot to say, "no homo."

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Re:http://androvm.org by KritonK · 2013-01-27 21:49 · Score: 1

AndroVM runs on any platform supported by VirtualBox. This means that it runs on Linux, Windows (even XP, which WindowsAdroid does not support), Mac OS X and Solaris.

Some stuff won't work? by sideslash · 2013-01-25 07:04 · Score: 1

- Graphics acceleration isn't done yet, so presumably will be very slow.
- Anything in an app that's compiled for ARM (e.g. if an app has CPU intensive stuff done in C++) shouldn't work if I understand their approach correctly -- i.e. it's not existing within a virtual machine but rather is a port / recompile of the Android OS to run natively on Windows.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

Re:Some stuff won't work? by ewanm89 · 2013-01-25 07:32 · Score: 2

You are mostly right, except virtualization needs same instruction set too, it is emulation that allows one to run a different instruction set to the host.

I can run get a full loop from wine? by G3ckoG33k · 2013-01-25 07:06 · Score: 1

Wait, why should I?

BlueStacks by Jason+Levine · 2013-01-25 07:07 · Score: 5, Informative

Looks similar to what BlueStacks does. http://www.bluestacks.com/

And, for those posting about being wary of software from a Chinese company, BlueStacks is located in California.

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Re:BlueStacks by ArhcAngel · 2013-01-25 07:25 · Score: 2, Informative

I've been running BlueStacks on my laptop for over a year now. And with their port to ARM Windows RT devices should be able to use it as well.

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Re:BlueStacks by mrbester · 2013-01-25 07:45 · Score: 1

Doesn't it require a Facebook signin?

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Re:BlueStacks by Virtucon · 2013-01-25 09:08 · Score: 1

Oh hell no. BlueStacks is a mind numbing experience. I tried it and can only describe the experience as the closest thing I'll come to being repeatedly hit on the head with a hammer.
AndroVM is great! I've also tinkered with the Android X86 project code as well but under a VM, not on native iron.

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Re:BlueStacks by blind+biker · 2013-01-25 10:57 · Score: 2

I've been running BlueStacks [bluestacks.com] on my laptop for over a year now
Is it getting any better, as of late? I had to deinstall it in frustration, caused by all the bugs that I kept running into. I think I last had it on my desktop PC in November.
Also: do you know how to enable access to Google Play, on Bluestacks?

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Re:BlueStacks by InsectOverlord · 2013-01-25 14:01 · Score: 1

I've been running BlueStacks [bluestacks.com] on my laptop for over a year now
Is it getting any better, as of late? I had to deinstall it in frustration, caused by all the bugs that I kept running into. I think I last had it on my desktop PC in November.
Also: do you know how to enable access to Google Play, on Bluestacks?
AFAIK there is no way to place a shortcut to Google Play, but the "App Search" app queries four app stores including Google Play. So it's possible to run Google Play, if in a little convoluted way: click "My Apps" > Click "App Search" > In the textbox, type any app name (e.g. Maps) and click "Find". That will search not only on Google Play but also on three other app stores. Anyway if you click on any result on the list under the green robot, that will effectively launch Google Play complete with its interface.

Peeling the onion by nanospook · 2013-01-25 07:13 · Score: 4, Interesting

I have an app that runs windows on my phone. I wonder if I can run Socket in there? Wouldn't that be the bomb?

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Virtualization by pradeepsekar · 2013-01-25 07:13 · Score: 1

Such emulators have been around for long where one can use apps of one platform on another (Wine anyone). Whats the news here...? I can understand why someone would want to play an Android game or use some such app that is not available for the PC using this. But why would one want to run a browser inside Android when a perfectly good browser could be used directly from Windows. The novelty of it would wear away soon I guess.

BTW, Bluestacks runs Android apps on both Windows and Mac machines. WindowsAndroid can claim to be better than Bluestacks when they get their platform running on Mac *and* Linux too! Or perhaps when it can run Android on a Windows phone at native speeds (well, that would be an awesome one if it could be done).

Re:Virtualization by jonbryce · 2013-01-25 07:53 · Score: 1

Wine Is Not an Emulator. So it only works on Intel and AMD compatible machines.
Re:Virtualization by Jorl17 · 2013-01-25 07:55 · Score: 1

Please don't call it an emulator, it makes me cringe. Wine really isn't an emulator, period.

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Re:Virtualization by ChunderDownunder · 2013-01-25 10:17 · Score: 1

it only works on Intel and AMD compatible machines
Wine runs Windows applications compiled for a compatible CPU architecture. So if one were to cross-compile a Win32 program (e.g. Notepad++) using MinGW to produce an ARM exe then it ought to happily run under wine on one's ARM linux installation (e.g. Ubuntu on a Nexus 7.)
Re:Virtualization by Half-pint+HAL · 2013-01-25 22:25 · Score: 1

What you're looking at here is the potential sinking of Microsoft's current OS convergence strategy.
MS are pushing Metro on the desktop so that you'll find the Windows phone OS friendly and familiar. Furthermore, they want people to write Metro apps that work on your phone and desktop so that you'll want to have the same OS on both. They hope that this strategy will drag the entrenched iOS and Android users back to the Windows camp. But once this hits a stable version, people will be able to import all their Android apps onto the desktop, but not onto a Windows phone.
Desktop/phone convergence without the need for Windows phone -- it's Redmond's nightmare.
I might make a feature suggestion (although they're probably already thinking about it): a phone app manager. Remember when the iPod couldn't hold your entire music collection, and you ran iTunes to move stuff on and off? Now imagine all the Android apps you've ever bought running natively on your desktop, and when you're heading away for the weekend, you open the app manager and say which apps you want on the device, it sideloads them, and away you go. That would be very handy indeed.

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Impressive! by lennier1 · 2013-01-25 07:21 · Score: 2

The lengths people will go to in order to finally get a working alternative to the SDK's goddamn piece of shit of an emulator.

Re:No Way?! by Jeng · 2013-01-25 07:28 · Score: 2, Insightful

Any suggestions on a better forum to read?

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Already in the SDK. by ewanm89 · 2013-01-25 07:30 · Score: 5, Interesting

The SDK can already hardware virtualize an x86 image already (via Intel HAXM on windows and Mac and KVM on Linux), and there is a 4.0.4 x86 image in the repositories.

Re:Already in the SDK. by thygate · 2013-01-25 07:56 · Score: 2

The x86 AVD that comes with the SDK has its up and downs. Nice that it also supports gles2.0 etc. But it crashes a lot which makes it very difficult to use as a test/debug platform. For instance it crashes every time when the IME comes up for text input. In the system, in the API demos, ..
Re:Already in the SDK. by ewanm89 · 2013-01-25 10:29 · Score: 1

I never said it was perfect, but then give me any application that is. Just said it was available.
Re:Already in the SDK. by bill_mcgonigle · 2013-01-26 02:54 · Score: 1

Does it translate ARM code to x86 for apps that come with compiled libraries?

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It's already easy... by MatrixCubed · 2013-01-25 07:36 · Score: 2

...and thoroughly documented.

Re:It's already easy... by fluffy99 · 2013-01-25 09:23 · Score: 1

...and thoroughly documented.
This is not the same as the remote debugging for Chrome on Android your cite. This is the ability to actually run ICS 4.0 as a VM on your PC. No android device is actually required. The also appear to have a goal to run Android as the native OS on desktop hardware. Interesting, as Microsoft is trying to make their OS look and feel like an app-centric OS like apple and android, someone is trying to go the other direction.
Re:It's already easy... by sjames · 2013-01-25 15:53 · Score: 1

That has also been available for a while as part of the SDK.
Re:It's already easy... by fluffy99 · 2013-01-25 17:00 · Score: 1

That has also been available for a while as part of the SDK.
The SDK has an emulator, no? This would be natively compiled for x86, so more along the lines of a VM.
Re:It's already easy... by sjames · 2013-01-25 17:31 · Score: 1

The SDK does have an emulator. It's unclear what strategy WindowsAndroid is using.
Re:It's already easy... by fluffy99 · 2013-01-26 04:35 · Score: 1

The data sheet on thier now slash dotted website, mentioned an is abstraction layer, full porting of the dalvik VM and integration with host features such as graphics acceleration and media codecs. Sounds like a port of the OS and apps which use the dalvik VM would run just fine. Maybe apps the need more than that won't work.
Re:It's already easy... by sjames · 2013-01-28 08:53 · Score: 1

I'm just guessing, but it seems likely that an application using native code wouldn't run in their environment. Of course, they already are less portable even between actual hardware, so it's no surprise there.

Yes you are biased but you should be paranoid by dogsbreath · 2013-01-25 07:41 · Score: 2

er . . . about the same worry as any software from anywhere. Do your self protection rituals and don't install it on anything that contains critical information. Look for oddities (unexpected network connections etc) and check for an online community that may show some pedigree for the software.

Trojan software is a real worry but the fact that it comes from China does not seem to me to alter the worry level. ie: be worried and be careful

A very cursory check of sites that track threats shows China as a source is about on a par with the US. Somewhat worse but still, a lot of malware comes from the good ol US of A. Most sites seem to agree that the USSR er Soviets er Commies er RUSSIA is a major source of crap, standing out from the others.

eh, stats is stats.

The reason Chinese companies (ummm: Huawei) have been labelled a security worry is that the People's Lib Army of the PROC is assumed to be the defacto owner. Worry being that their routers/switches/cell equipment come with back doors pre-installed.

Who knows if this is true or not, but I have often wondered if companies like Cisco, Juniper, Alcatel-Lucent, Siemens etc are working closely with their own governments to provide "special" firmware loads for foreign installations. Maybe domestic as well. But I may be paranoid. ;->

Governments have been caught in the past doing industrial espionage for their own domestic interests. The French apparently bugged first class airline seats for competitive business reasons and the Chinese reported that a Boeing 767 was delivered complete with surveillance bugs.

So: although China doesn't worry more than say the US, it doesn't worry me any less either.

Re:No Way?! by Jeng · 2013-01-25 07:49 · Score: 1

I don't like the way the threads are laid out, no titles of different threads.

I hate slashdots default view also, I still use classic view.

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Re:BlueStacks DISCLAIMER by Provocateur · 2013-01-25 07:53 · Score: 2

BlueStacks is located in California.

They *do* order take out occasionally, though.

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Finally.... by Kaptain+Kruton · 2013-01-25 08:01 · Score: 1

... I can play Fruit Ninja on a 22" screen!

Re:Finally.... by Belial6 · 2013-01-25 08:43 · Score: 1

I have Fruit Ninja on a 42" screen. It works really well too since the touch interface was replaced with a Kinect interface. http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/fruit-ninja-kinect-xbox-360-live-marketplace-800-points/92713

Need Windows emulator... by marciot · 2013-01-25 08:12 · Score: 5, Funny

I would like to try this on my Android phone. Does anyone know of a good Windows emulator I can use to run this software?

Re:Need Windows emulator... by snadrus · 2013-01-25 10:05 · Score: 3, Interesting

I see Bochs for Android (QEMU) running WinXP on YouTube. That's really the best tool I think you'll find.

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News for turds by zmooc · 2013-01-25 08:26 · Score: 1, Offtopic

How is proprietary software that only runs on proprietary operating systems, is "in early development status" and does something that existing open source software does much better news for nerds or stuff that matters? Did I overlook the advertorial tag?

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Honestly devices are better ... by perpenso · 2013-01-25 08:26 · Score: 1

Seems like a good thing for android developers. The current simulator is a bit slow.

Honestly devices are better. Getting a $300 Nexus 4 phone or a $200 Nexus 7 tablet for development purposes is the way to go. The simulator is fine for limited use, primarily for different screens to test your user interface, but for day to day work I prefer actual devices. YMMV.

Re:Honestly devices are better ... by Abreu · 2013-01-25 13:03 · Score: 1

(offtopic)
The Nexus 7 I agree, but... Where can you buy a frikkin Nexus 4 for $300usd?

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Re:Honestly devices are better ... by perpenso · 2013-01-26 05:34 · Score: 1

(offtopic) The Nexus 7 I agree, but... Where can you buy a frikkin Nexus 4 for $300usd?
Google Play, 8GB. Currently out of stock. https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb&feature=microsite&hl=en
Re:Honestly devices are better ... by Abreu · 2013-01-28 13:22 · Score: 1

Exactly, you _can't_ buy it.

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Re:Honestly devices are better ... by perpenso · 2013-01-29 11:46 · Score: 1

Exactly, you _can't_ buy it.
"Out of Stock" is a temporary thing. Note that today above the "Add To Cart" button it says:

"SHIPS SOON
Ships in 1 - 2 weeks. Tax and shipping will be calculated at checkout."
Re:Honestly devices are better ... by Abreu · 2013-01-29 14:53 · Score: 1

I stand corrected. I actually ordered today. :)
I truly believed that they would not be offering the phone anymore.

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Re:I love potted meat products by EmagGeek · 2013-01-25 08:44 · Score: 1

And you forgot the most important part:

FROM CHINA.

No, thanks. I'll just install the x86 android port in VirtualBox like I've been doing since Gingerbread.

Why not Flash or Silverlight? by danparker276 · 2013-01-25 08:48 · Score: 1

Is this why flash adobe air or Silverlight OOB is supposed to be good for? The same app running on different platforms? Oh wait then you don't have to go through the app store which is a lot of fun.

Android on a stick. by Ostracus · 2013-01-25 08:49 · Score: 1

$25 ARM on a stick Plug that into my monitor's HDMI and using bluetooth and there's my "ICS" experience.

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What about native run on GNU/Linux by godrik · 2013-01-25 08:57 · Score: 1

I always wondered if it could be possible to run android natively on a gnu/linux distribution. The android kernel and linux kernel are so similar. I understand most of the userspace is different, but running in a different cgroups and in a different chroot should provide some help with it. Anybody had some success with that?

Re:What about native run on GNU/Linux by serviscope_minor · 2013-01-25 12:32 · Score: 1

Sounds like it ought to be possible.
Bedrock linux (a while back) seems to aim to allow several different distros to co-exist under the same kernel (i.e. no VM). That would seem like a reasonable approach. I guess the main thing is making an X11 based graphics driver for andriod so that it can display in a window.

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Danger Will Robinson by koan · 2013-01-25 09:27 · Score: 1

What part of "Beijing-based startup" makes you think you should be pumping your account info into this, or running it at all for that matter.

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Oh Joy! Now I can run... by AmazingRuss · 2013-01-25 09:44 · Score: 1

...a broken OS on a broken OS!

Re:BlueStacks DISCLAIMER by PoolOfThought · 2013-01-25 09:55 · Score: 1

Is that code from they *do* outsource to China sometimes? If not, it ought to be!

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Yo dawg by bedouin · 2013-01-25 13:34 · Score: 3, Funny

I heard you like shitty operating systems that rip off Apple's ideas, so we . . .

no email? by mattsqz · 2013-01-25 16:30 · Score: 1

did anyone else not receive an email with a link?

Re:no email? by Red_Chaos1 · 2013-01-26 07:18 · Score: 1

I have not yet either. Site is down as well, displaying the JustHost suspended page now.

wow, wish i could run IOS apps on OSX by jsepeta · 2013-01-25 19:41 · Score: 1

but apple will probably just scrap osx for IOS, fucking all the pro OSX users along the way

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Re:wow, wish i could run IOS apps on OSX by johnrpenner · 2013-01-25 22:09 · Score: 1

for years (since day1) — you can run iOS on mac OSX — you get an iPad or iPhone simulated on your screen.
just download the free XCode tools, and it includes the iOS simulator.

iPad simulator by johnrpenner · 2013-01-25 22:07 · Score: 1

you mean like the iPad simulator that comes with the free XCode IDE for years..

life must be gettin pretty good now.. ;-)

Re:iPad simulator by Anonymous Coward · 2013-01-26 02:48 · Score: 1

You mean free, besides having to buy a shitty (but overpriced) piece of hardware with a shitty OS?

Re:from China . . . by supervico · 2013-01-26 06:07 · Score: 1

Besides, you got it wrong... it's: "All Your Base ARE Belong To Us" :)

Re:No Way?! by F34nor · 2013-01-28 17:31 · Score: 1

Not to mention the Republican shills.

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