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Anonymous Warhead Targets US Sentencing Commission

theodp writes "Late Friday, Violet Blue reports, the U.S. Sentencing Commission website was hacked and government files distributed by Anonymous in 'Operation Last Resort.' The U.S. Sentencing Commission sets guidelines for sentencing in United States Federal courts, and on the defaced ussc.gov website Anonymous cited the recent suicide of Aaron Swartz as 'a line that has been crossed.' Calling the launch of its new campaign a "warhead," Anonymous vowed, 'This time there will be change, or there will be chaos.'" Adds reader emil: "Anonymous has not specified exactly what files they have obtained. The various files were named after Supreme Court judges. At a regular interval commencing today, Anonymous will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents."

252 comments

  1. at the most they can shed light.. by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..to who actually makes the law as it is practiced in united states.

    you'd think that the sentencing guidelines would be written to the law, but no??

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    1. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "heavily redacted partial content"? What is the point then. They go to the effort of doing this, naming their operation something quite aggressive ("warhead") and then pussyfoot around with the results? Are they hoping that they will be ignored or the response will be weaker?

    2. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      What I understood is that the redacted versions will be sent out piecemeal to news outlets, while the full reveal will happen later "if demands are not met."

    3. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The overly dramatic video made mention of collateral damage and browser exploits. My guess is it's porn history or something, and they know there's going to be backlash.

    4. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      If they were law they wouldn't call them guidelines. There is no secret in what the guidelines are though.

    5. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What demands? Are they asking the government to pinkie swear that they'll stop doing all those naughty things? What a bunch of morons.

    6. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Laws are made by both the Federal Government and the States. The guidelines are in place so the punishment for a crime in one state is similar to the same crime in another state.

    7. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Laws are made by both the Federal Government and the States. The guidelines are in place so the punishment for a crime in one state is similar to the same crime in another state.

      like for smoking a joint?

      point was that it might shed light on _who_ decides - and based on what reasoning - if the guideline says that smoking a joint is three years in the joint, 20 dollar fine or nothing.

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    8. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the laws generally specify a range of fines and or prison times. The guidelines are there to give some predictability to how much the fine is and how long the sentence is. As well as to make it a little easier to spot when a punishment is unusual.

    9. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by logjon · · Score: 0

      Browser exploits are used to gain access to systems. This doesn't mean that all they got ahold of was browser history.

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    10. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      States? States have nothing to do with this. Believe it or not, states are not some all powerful entity bravely feuding with the federal government over peculiar institutions.

      The US Sentencing Commission was intended to standardize federal prison sentences, so that persons who committed similar federal crimes ended serving similar sentences, regardless of which district judge or parole board they appeared before.

      Stith, Kate and Koh, Steve Y., "The Politics of Sentencing Reform: The Legislative History of the Federal Sentencing Guidelines" (1993). Faculty Scholarship Series. Paper 1273.

      it's fair in that it's consistent, but it's unfair in that it may not be wise. Like most Bureacracies, it's a triumph of mediocrity over the capriciousness of individual persons.

    11. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by lightknight · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed. The typical tactic is 'play for time, until the sniper gets into position.'

      Remember, the people they are playing against do not believe in any rules: they cheat, and will never stop; there is no reasoning with them, and every ploy is singularly meant to further their own ends. Or do we have some true believes in the crowd, who think that politicians & friends, against every shred of evidence, will not cheat given the opportunity?

      Remember, this is a government which was not afraid to set up its own version of concentration camps (the Japanese war camps), and is not afraid at all to experiment on its own people (the Syphilis and radiation experiments). It is also a government which employs the best of orators and spin-doctors to achieve its own ends. In short, if we judge it by its own laws, it's a maverick government; essentially a loose cannon.

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    12. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Clsid · · Score: 2

      Plus I figure that all the government have to do is declare Anonymous a terrorist group, and lo and behold, end of discussion. I really hope they release info to completely derail the political career of the attorneys involved.

    13. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Parole sort of fails to actually exist at this time. If you are a model prisoner your sentence is not reduced at all. At the time of conviction you are sentenced to a certain time in prison to be followed by a pronounced number of years or months on parole.
                      It gets even worse. The parolee is required to tell any employer that they are on parole. That means they will not be able to get a job. Then they will be put back in prison because they do not have work. Convicts even tell parole officers at the first meeting that they will not tell an employer they have been in prison. Most parole officers go deaf concerning that utterance.

    14. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The Anon morons think that are fighting some noble battle against...who knows what...but all they really are is a bunch of stupid little cunts who like to stick their nose into other people's business

      I am not fanboys of the anon, but I got to say that at least they are doing something

      Mr. Aaron Swartz's death, although he has committed suicide, was inevitably linked to the way the US government's handling of the hacking community.

      As a former hacker --- although for old farts like me the term "hacking" is a little bit different from the script kiddies thingy that anon are doing nowadays --- I too personally mourn the death of Mr. Aaron Swartz

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    15. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Fished · · Score: 2

      While I'm, no big fan of the US government, do bear in mind that there's a huge difference between "concentration camps" as Japanese detainment: with rare exceptions the victims survived. Moreover, most detainees were treated reasonably (but not very) well, so long as they kept the rules. I don't think the comparison is helpful. These were two very different things.

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    16. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by jelizondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We, the government, have decided to detain all Slashdot users with a uid greater than 500,000; please report to the nearest camp.

      The treatment they received is besides the point; the point being they were American citizens, whose only crime was to be of children or grandchildren of Japanese inmigrants.

      Yes, they were not exterminated but it was a racist action, and in that way, the two are comparable.

      Now, think how much worse the treatment could have gotten if the war was lost or if it looked that way to the powers that be...

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    17. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by jafac · · Score: 3, Funny

      I disagree with this. All with UID > 5000.
      To the game-grid.
      End of line_

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    18. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, we will round up the 5000 and put them in the small area that is left after we fense off the rest of the country from it.

    19. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, then what about the blacks that were used and sold as slaves? It divided the country eventually, but it went unchallenged by anyone in the US government for a long time prior to that.

    20. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by cshark · · Score: 1

      Remember, the people they are playing against do not believe in any rules: they cheat, and will never stop; there is no reasoning with them, and every ploy is singularly meant to further their own ends. Or do we have some true believes in the crowd, who think that politicians & friends, against every shred of evidence, will not cheat given the opportunity?

      Well, they did say they don't want to be involved in any sort of negotiation. The demands are basically that the US suddenly undoes over a century of case law, re-legislates the entire criminal justice system at a time when Congress can't even agree on what time it is, and they want a return to partiality and common law. It's not going to happen. It's great that they're asking for it. It's great that they're leaving the time table for it open, but they might as well just release those files, and let everyone know what juicy bits of information are in them.

      On a side note, I think this feel like a different Anonymous than we've seen in awhile. I'm glad that they're focusing on the greater good again, rather than breaking into Sony and pwning consumers, simply because they can. It's hard to have respect for people that expose gramma's card number, and follow it up with defacing small business websites in middle eastern countries.

      Also, I hope when they talk about Chaos this time, that they mean something other than DDOS attacks and writing na-na-na-boo-boo on government sites. They keep promising action, but have yet to deliver anything truly breathtaking. This time, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    21. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      By no means do I condone the internment (heck, my wife is Japanese, fwiw) but what I do understand is that Japan launched an attack on US soil at a location that had heavy Japanese influence. Sure, I bet there was a better way to handle the situation but what happened, happened. No one is proud of those camps.

      What you should go look up is how many other Asians during that time were bullied because people assumed they were Japanese. That was all the citizens. Sadly, the gov't probably treated the Japanese descendants better than the public treated all the other Asians.

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    22. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Fished · · Score: 1

      Hitler engaged in a decades long persecution of Jews, and the purpose of the concentration camps was to provide a "final solution" by exterminating them. Over 7 million were killed.

      Roosevelt allowed the internment of Japanese Americans after the US was sneak-attacked by their home country without provocation. He and his military commanders felt that Japanese Americans with easy access to the cost might assist the Japanese government with an invasion, so they moved them away from the coast. The

      I'm not denying that racism played a role in making the US Government regard Japanese with suspicion (while not so regarding German Americans, for example.) I AM saying that there is no evidence that there was ever any intent to kill Japanese Americans en masse. I am not defending the internment, I AM saying that it wasn't genocidal.

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    23. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Fished · · Score: 1

      Again, not defending the US government. I am just saying that I don't think the Japanese internment was comparable to the Nazi "final solution", and that you water down the horror of the holocaust when you act as though it was.

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    24. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nazi germany, Japanese internment, the government keeping secrets from us and Anonymous threatening with chaos.

      All of it leads to unnecessary suffering.
      Sure, one is a lot worse than the other, but I don't want any of it.

    25. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "“The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally.

      Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can.

      Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal.

      Well, fuck them. Make it personal.”

        Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

    26. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm aware, most laws are written with a "no less than" and "no more than" clause.

      Now, I don't know much about sentencing guidelines, but I imagine that somebody somewhere has to figure out what the punishment should be if it lies somewhere in between. Leaving that entirely up to the prosecutor is probably a bad idea. Jurors themselves also probably need some sort of guide as to what punishment fits the crime, because something tells me that they aren't well versed in whatever subject they are asked to judge. Guidelines are just that, and the jury can take them into account in their decision.

      At least, that is my conjecture anyways, I don't know the actual process involved.

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    27. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very unfair because it's consistent. All circumstances are different in each allegation of a crime and should be weighted individually. This essentially extends minimal sentencing ideology.

    28. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Jerry spent some time in Michigan
      A twenty year vacation, after all he had a dime
      A dime is worth a lot more in Detroit
      A dime in California, a twenty dollar fine"

      Here

    29. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should have called it "Project Redacted"?

    30. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Roosevelt allowed the internment of Japanese Americans after the US was sneak-attacked by their home country without provocation.

      No provocation, lolz.

      On July 8, 1853, the U.S. Navy with four warships steamed into the bay at Edo, requesting that Japan open to trade with the West.
      Trade with us or we start shooting at your city!
      Now, that's already a while ago, but near WWII heavily supporting Japans enemies and doing everything short of declaring war to harm Japan is also provocation in my mind.
      http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

      It's the typical thing the U.S. does when they want to enter a war their populace doesn't want, it also explains why so many think of 9/11 as a conspiracy to do the same thing yet again.

    31. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by tehcyder · · Score: 0

      Yes, they were not exterminated but it was a racist action, and in that way, the two are comparable.

      The US in the 1940s was profoundly racist in many ways, the only difference here is that it is Asian people being treated badly rather than brown skinned people.

      The idea that all this racism was invented by "the government" against the wishes of the majority of people is implausible.

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    32. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Nazi germany, Japanese internment, the government keeping secrets from us and Anonymous threatening with chaos.

      All of it leads to unnecessary suffering. Sure, one is a lot worse than the other, but I don't want any of it.

      It's still a false equivalency.

      "Nazi Germany and I've chipped a tooth. All of it unnecessary suffering."

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    33. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Talderas · · Score: 1

      On a side note, I think this feel like a different Anonymous than we've seen in awhile. I'm glad that they're focusing on the greater good again, rather than breaking into Sony and pwning consumers, simply because they can. It's hard to have respect for people that expose gramma's card number, and follow it up with defacing small business websites in middle eastern countries.

      Yeah. All it took was someone who would "fit in" with their group committing suicide over prosecution. It's not like this behavior has been happening all throughout Anonymous's career. I'll believe them doing something for the greater good when they take an action towards the greater good that they don't admit is a direct provocation.

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    34. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Lucky_Norseman · · Score: 2

      The Germans used concentration camps for a lot of people, not just the jews. In fact, later in the war they had two different classes of camps. Konzentrationslager and Vernichtungslager. The last can be translated as annihilation camp, and it was at these that the truly massive murders of jews occurred.
      Many at regular concentration camps were political prisoners, homosexuals and so on.
      I was taught about this from a teacher in my high school who was sent to German concentration camp for taking part in a student protest in occupied Norway.

    35. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler engaged in a decades long persecution of Jews, and the purpose of the concentration camps was to provide a "final solution" by exterminating them. Over 7 million were killed.

      You're seriously mistaken and duped. Not even close to that number of Jews died and relatively few we're purposefully killed. Most died of typoid and other diseases. Yes, Just like the USA's eugenics programme , there was a systematic campaign to remove the handicapped from the population, except that the Germans quietly killed about 70,000, whereas the US simply "forced the procreation switch off". Similarly, yes, there was human experimentation and death, but you have no idea how many your "7 million" people are! Do you realise that to achieve that number of killings in 3 years, they would have had to kill at least 6392 Jews on every single day?? What factories and how many does one need to do that? Have you seen the little mattress delousing chambers in Auschwitz that have been turned into gas-chambers after the war? Even if they were actually gas chambers, how many people do you thing could have been systematically killed in a facility like that, including processing the bodies afterwards? So use your brains for a change and stop believing the "winners'" propaganda machine and their movie factories.

      Apart from Hitler, the Britons hated the Jews almost just as much and maybe not entirely without reason.

      And then you seem to think the Americans were different, don't you? Is that why they took over 700 Nazi's quietly from Germany, helped them to change their names (Operation Paperclip and here), got them to start a new iteration of MindKontrolle and MK Ultra and are still protection them? Given even half an opportunity, the US people would do exactly the same as what the demonised European dictators did (Milgram Experiments) as proven by the list of sneaky and secret experiments the US government performed on their own people (Unethical Human Experimentation)

      Roosevelt allowed the internment of Japanese Americans after the US was sneak-attacked by their home country without provocation. He and his military commanders felt that Japanese Americans with easy access to the cost might assist the Japanese government with an invasion, so they moved them away from the coast. The

      Roosevelt was a cunning conniving bastard and traitor to the US people. He had full knowledge of the impending Pearl Harbour attack, moved all the new ships out of the harbour and let the old one's be destroyed, in order to sway the public opinion from being opposed to the war to one of being pro-war. He probably also instructed MacArthur to ensure half the US airforce would be destroyed as well a few hours later. Here is a well referenced historic timeline of the events. They had implement the plan they had hatched (scans of original Mc Collum memo

      I hope that brings some enlightenment to thy senses.

    36. Re:at the most they can shed light.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Vernichtungslager. The last can be translated as annihilation camp, and it was at these that the truly massive murders of jews occurred. Many at regular concentration camps were political prisoners, homosexuals and so on. I was taught about this from a teacher in my high school who was sent to German concentration camp for taking part in a student protest in occupied Norway.

      Really? Are there anyone other notes you made of these, apart from the Norwegian folklore of your teacher? Maybe just a little document from the era?

  2. Let's kowtow! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny

    Idea: let's give in to what they want. Bow deeply and honestly, and maybe they might forgive us our sins. What could possibly go wrong? After all, these attacks would certainly cease.

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    1. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about doing it because it's the right thing to do?

    2. Re:Let's kowtow! by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If anyone were interested in doing the right thing, they would likely have done so before being threatened.

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    3. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Letting people commit crimes and get away with it is the right thing to do?

    4. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Charges fitting what was actually alleged and punishment fitting the crime are the right things to do.

    5. Re:Let's kowtow! by pitchpipe · · Score: 0

      Let's kowtow! Idea: let's give in to what they want. Bow deeply and honestly, and maybe they might forgive us our sins. What could possibly go wrong? After all, these attacks would certainly cease.

      You're funny. It also sounds like you're part of the problem.

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    6. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Charges fitting what was actually alleged and punishment fitting the crime are the right things to do.

      Charges fitting what was actually alleged is what actually occurred. Punishment never got a chance to happen.

    7. Re:Let's kowtow! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      How about doing it because it's the right thing to do?

      Doing WHAT?

    8. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's kowtow! Idea: let's give in to what they want. Bow deeply and honestly, and maybe they might forgive us our sins. What could possibly go wrong? After all, these attacks would certainly cease.

      You're funny. It also sounds like you're part of the problem.

      It's not sounding like you're a part of the solution, either.

    9. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, felony charges for what amounted to a simple trespass are nothing like appropriate.

    10. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Follow the thread, RTFA and you shall see.

    11. Re:Let's kowtow! by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      It's not sounding like you're a part of the solution, either.

      The less people are part of the problem, the closer we are to a solution, so I'll take that.

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    12. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when it comes to governments that is not always the case... by a longshot.

    13. Re:Let's kowtow! by anomaly256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wasn't even trespass really. From what I read he had permission to access the servers, just not in the manner in which he did (automated crawler). This is more like being invited inside the house, but then stepping on the carpet before taking your shoes off (inconsiderate, but not intentionally malicious), apologizing and stepping back but having your host call the police on you and trying to file charges for damages against you anyway, then the overzealous police chasing you down even though your host has admitted they over reacted and no longer wish to pursue the matter.

    14. Re:Let's kowtow! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah, did that. It's still not clear what the blackmailers want, exactly and therefore not clear whether it is "right." Is is "right" to comply with blackmailers in principle? I would say not, and I would say that such stunts have zero likelihood of getting sentencing guidelines made less strict for computer crime. If anything, it will make the people on the commission even more determined to deal with "these people" in a draconian manner.

      Seriously, isn't it written somewhere, "Never try to threaten the guy who's holding the big guns?" It's tactically a bad move.

    15. Re:Let's kowtow! by Ironhandx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not quite, a better metaphor would be that he was invited into a house to take pictures of *anything* he wanted.

      They then called the cops because he took pictures of everything.

    16. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I didn't say I thought this was the right approach nor that I thought it would work, I just said I approve of the objective. We should revise the guidelines and reign in prosecutors in general. Not because anon demands it, but because it is the right thing for our society.

    17. Re:Let's kowtow! by geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about doing it because it's the right thing to do?

      Is it? Swartz broke the law, knowingly and willingly. The government didn't kill him. He killed himself. He was all set to have his day in court to fight the charges and bring about awareness to the issues. Instead, like the little coward he was, he killed himself.

      I feel bad for his family, but no one is responsible for his death but himself. I look at a coward like Swartz and I feel revulsion at his cowardice. I look at someone like Mandela (tho I disagree with his politics) and I see an extremely brave man that was willing to spend the majority of his adult life in prison for what he believed. Mandela didn't kill himself and his plight was far far worse than Swartz's.

      All this BS going on about Swartz is made up, Reddit media nonsense. A coward offed himself. End of story.

    18. Re:Let's kowtow! by anagama · · Score: 4, Informative

      Watch the video or read the text ... It is very easy to comprehend. Enact reforms that "respectable" people suggest. Anonymous does not expect nor wish to be part of the negotiations,

      However, in order for there to be a peaceful resolution to this crisis, certain things need to happen. There must be reform of outdated and poorly-envisioned legislation, written to be so broadly applied as to make a felony crime out of violation of terms of service, creating in effect vast swathes of crimes, and allowing for selective punishment. There must be reform of mandatory minimum sentencing. There must be a return to proportionality of punishment with respect to actual harm caused, and consideration of motive and mens rea. The inalienable right to a presumption of innocence and the recourse to trial and possibility of exoneration must be returned to its sacred status, and not gambled away by pre-trial bargaining in the face of overwhelming sentences, unaffordable justice and disfavourable odds. Laws must be upheld unselectively, and not used as a weapon of government to make examples of those it deems threatening to its power.

      For good reason the statue of lady justice is blindfolded. No more should her innocence be besmirked, her scales tipped, nor her swordhand guided. Furthermore there must be a solemn commitment to freedom of the internet, this last great common space of humanity, and to the common ownership of information to further the common good.

      We make this statement do not expect to be negotiated with; we do not desire to be negotiated with. We understand that due to the actions we take we exclude ourselves from the system within which solutions are found. There are others who serve that purpose, people far more respectable than us, people whose voices emerge from the light, and not the shadows. These voices are already making clear the reforms that have been necessary for some time, and are outright required now.

      It is these people that the justice system, the government, and law enforcement must engage with. Their voices are already ringing strong with a chorus of determined resolution. We demand only that this chorus is not ignored. We demand the government does not make the mistake of hoping that time will dampen its ringing, that they can ride out this wave of determination, that business as usual can continue after a sufficient period of lip-service and back-patting.

      Not this time. This time there will be change, or there will be chaos ...

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    19. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why haven't you turned yourself in to the feds yet?
      You have committed more felonies today alone than Aaron Swartz did the day he killed himself.

      No? Thought not, hypocrite

    20. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A speeder knowingly breaks the law as well, but I don't think multiple felony counts is the right answer. The suicide is irrelevant to that. Perhaps it put him over the edge, perhaps it didn't. Either way the prosecutor vastly overreached.

    21. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a good idea to try and comply with unreasonable requests and see what happens, but I am afraid we already let things like TSA groping, stupid patents and first to file and blank media taxes through, so it's time to stop.

      BTW this kind of anonymous operations will effect change. The corrupt powerful will point at activists and push for tighter control of the net. It doesn't matter if anonymous does this for a good reason or with a noble intention.

    22. Re:Let's kowtow! by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, isn't it written somewhere, "Never try to threaten the guy who's holding the big guns?" It's tactically a bad move.

      Indeed, they are shooting at a hippopotamus with a .22, at best they are just pissing it off. The intellectually curious are trapped in open ground between them and in grave danger of being trampled or shot.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    23. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then gave them out to everybody because 'Information wants to be free!'

      Ignoring the fact that the people in question only rented the items in their house and the 'owners' of said items did not give permission for copies of them to be made.

      I think that clarifies and finishes the analogy that needs to be made.

    24. Re:Let's kowtow! by geek · · Score: 0, Troll

      If you're going 25mph over the speed limit it's a felony. If you also run a red light at that speed it could be reckless driving, also a felony. Just because he was charged with felonies doesn't mean he would have been convicted of them. Ever hear of plea deals? We'll never know now because the whiny little coward killed himself. It's the job of prosecutors to over reach. We have an adversarial court system. It was the job of his lawyer to fight. Little Swartz decided to take the "easy" way out however. I will never understand the people bitching about this.

    25. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and expecting them to do the right thing -after- they've been threatened is fucking stupid.

    26. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 1

      OK, you were 6 MPH over the limit so we'll charge you with 2 counts of homicide and speeding. Care to plead down to 6 months and a felony?

    27. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone were interested in doing the right thing, they would likely have done so before being threatened.

      Would they have?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

    28. Re:Let's kowtow! by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. I fail, utterly and completely, to understand how the GP poster and his ilk don't get that. That even if Swartz committed a crime, it wasn't a 50 years in jail type of crime. It was a pay a fine type of crime. One point made in the video was that the 8th amendment bars cruel and unusual punishment. The amended indictment had a 50 year penalty on it. If other crimes were similarly charged, you'd be looking at 20 years for rolling through a stop sign. Death for shoplifting. That, as was Swartz' potential time, is not just cruel ...it's assinine.

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    29. Re:Let's kowtow! by Jessified · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't sentencing guidelines be public in the first place?

    30. Re:Let's kowtow! by geek · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      More like 50 mph since he was essentially stealing peoples work because he personally didn't feel they had a right to it. Whine all you like, what he did was illegal. He had the chance to fight it in court, but instead killed himself like the whiny little brat he was. What else can really be expected from a founder of Reddit? Justify all you want, the little bastard had his chance to go to court, instead, he took the easy way out. Sounds like you'd probably do the same.

    31. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised to hear that JSTOR no longer has a copy of any of the works he downloaded. I could have sworn he just copied them.

      I'm really glad you're not in charge. I don't want to live in the hellhole you advocate.

    32. Re:Let's kowtow! by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 0

      Politicians are like power mad children. And children most often have a good enough idea of right and wrong and how they're just trying to get by on a technicality--and obviously, there are exceptions and ambiguity to the point. Supposedly part of voting is to get politicians into power that well represent their constituents--well, job well done at being representative of their constituents, anyways. The other part is to be the carrot and stick to get them to do the right thing, but given how locked a lot of districts are on one party, that'd require a lot more fighting and involvement at the primaries level. So, overall, we might well be fucked given how low even general election turn out is.

      In any case, the point of guns and votes and locks are to keep honest people honest. Yea, most people aren't so honest to do the right thing if there weren't a stick around to punish them. While I find that truth a little sad, I think it rather counters your point. It also explains why obviously there's a severe limit to the effectiveness of ever increasing prison sentences for crimes. People who know they'll be likely caught are unlikely to commit a crime, even with a rather light sentence; with a rather harsh sentence, people who know they'll be unlikely caught are likely to commit a crime. It also explains why entrapment is illegal.

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    33. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, really, like he sent a robot/drone into the house to take pictures of everything for him at regular intervals. I wonder if he did it manually, if he would have been charged. Probably.

    34. Re:Let's kowtow! by russotto · · Score: 0

      Is it? Swartz broke the law, knowingly and willingly. The government didn't kill him. He killed himself.

      The government threatened him with a fate worse than death, and had the capacity to carry it out. He chose death as the superior alternative.

      He was all set to have his day in court to fight the charges and bring about awareness to the issues. Instead, like the little coward he was, he killed himself.

      He'd have had his day in court. No one would cover it. He wouldn't be permitted to make most of his arguments ("Irrelevant"). He'd be duly found guilty, and sentenced to decades in a Federal prison. And no one would care. By suiciding he brought a hell of a lot more attention to it than he could have by standing trial.

    35. Re:Let's kowtow! by anagama · · Score: 2

      Seriously, isn't it written somewhere, "Never try to threaten the guy who's holding the big guns?" It's tactically a bad move.

      Actually no. Off the top of my head I can think of several examples and anyone even modestly well versed in history (I'm not) could likely come up with dozens more.

      13 colonies | Great Britain
      Mexico | Spain
      India | Great Britain
      East Germany | USSR

      Nothing every changes for the better by taking a defeatist attitude.

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    36. Re:Let's kowtow! by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Laws set in place by people whom they do not apply to, do not, IMHO, hold any validity.

      Argue otherwise, and I shall show you the error of your ways.

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      I am John Hurt.
    37. Re:Let's kowtow! by Clsid · · Score: 1

      It's only fair that they get the same treatment. After all what options did Aaron have?

    38. Re:Let's kowtow! by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Nobody questions that what he did is illegal. What everybody is saying that you fail to understand is that you should not get threatened with 50 years of jail time for something that is pretty much a misdemeanor.

    39. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how I know you're a terrible person?

    40. Re:Let's kowtow! by cwebster · · Score: 3, Informative

      He didn't steal anyones work, at best he deprived publishers of profit, which is debatable since not many people who don't already have free access to journals actually want to read those articles.

      The journal publishing industry is a huge racket. Editors, assistant editors, peer reviewers, etc are all unpaid volunteer positions. Authors are unpaid and in many cases have to pay money to submit an article (some flat fee, some per page, some extra for color). The guys who get paid are the guys who take your LaTeX submission document and change the style file to the 'journal format' style from the 'journal draft' style and put in the page numbers, doi info, etc. That guy and the executives who run the publishing house. In return for essentially 95% volunteer work to get an article to print they charge exorbitant fees to libraries and universities to get the journals (and some like Elsevier wont even offer you a subscription to the 1 journal you want unless you buy the package that includes 19 others that you don't want).

      On top of that, the vast majority of published research out there is paid for by public funds, that you as a taxpayer are helping pay for. If the public pays for it, the public should have access to it. You shouldnt have to pay for the research and then pay to see the results. Sure, there is a real cost associated with printing and distributing publications and with storage and bandwidth for articles available online. The price charges is not inline with those costs though.

    41. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the big guns are in the hands of anonymous as they are definitely a very skilled group that would easily sway the hands of the public through social media.

    42. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like you get me you say you are an upstanding citizen but your head is in your ass dont rock the boat while your fellow citizens are imprisoned in corp for profit jails. and it all OKIE DOKIE until you too are trapped in it.

      Prosecutors expert liars get to decide not the judges.

      Seems more like China every day.

      I doubt Americans have any Idea what freedom really is.

    43. Re:Let's kowtow! by meekg · · Score: 1

      Plus, nobody knows why he killed himself. He didn't leave any note behind.

      He was offered a 6 month plea deal, which hardly seems like the end of the world.

      But we do know he had issues with depression. It could have been a family matter for all that we know.

      Nobody killed him but himself.

    44. Re:Let's kowtow! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Nothing every changes for the better by taking a defeatist attitude.

      ^^This!^^

      If enough people start to come out of their slumber, change can actually happen. We have too many complacent and ignorant Americans currently. They need to get shown what is happening and how it impacts them at every turn. If they get angry enough, change will be forced.

      It's incredible that there were no marches on DC for Fraud in 2008, and an outrage that OWS was infiltrated by the Government while being slandered and libeled into nonexistence by the Government controlled media (Fox/NBC/ABC/CNN).

      Both fortunately, and unfortunately, Aaron becomes a martyr. It's another straw on the camels back, though I'm sure we need many more straws.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    45. Re:Let's kowtow! by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      FYI: The East German revolutiuon in the 1950s was crushed by the Soviet army. In the 1980s East Germany still was holding on to "Socialism" and one-party-system when the SU already had thrown the old regime overboard.

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    46. Re:Let's kowtow! by jklovanc · · Score: 1, Troll

      Sorry but you missed the main issue in what he did. After being denied net access because he was downloading too much he physically entered a server room and installed hardware on someone else's network to download the files we was unable to get over the network. If you want to use your household analogy he was invited in to have some food. He was then told to leave as he had consumed too much. He later broke in the back door and took the food anyway.

    47. Re:Let's kowtow! by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      He was offered a plea deal that would have seen him sentenced to six months in prison. He was told that the maximums could add up to 50 years but it is up to his lawyer to tell him what he realistically could have been sentenced to. The 50 year sentence would occur if each count got the max and were run consecutively. That rarely happens as it is against standard sentencing guidelines. I think it is ironic that Anonymous is hacking the site the would gave caused Swartz to get a shorter sentence.

    48. Re:Let's kowtow! by anon208 · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, why are you so offended by his cowardice?

    49. Re:Let's kowtow! by anagama · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that's not how plea deals work. You don't sign off on the agreement and then get 6 mos. It's not that kind of contract. The judge can ignore the prosecutor's suggestion totally. Note the use of the word "blithey" in the following explanation.

      Some have blithely said Aaron should just have taken a deal. This is callous. There was great practical risk to Aaron from pleading to any felony. .... More particularly, the court is not constrained to sentence as the government suggests. Rather, the probation department drafts an advisory sentencing report recommending a sentence based on the guidelines. The judge tends to rely heavily on that "neutral" report in sentencing. If Aaron pleaded to a misdemeanor, his potential sentence would be capped at one year, regardless of his guidelines calculation. However, if he plead guilty to a felony, he could have been sentenced to as many as 5 years, despite the government's agreement not to argue for more. Each additional conviction would increase the cap by 5 years, though the guidelines calculation would remain the same. No wonder he didn't want to plead to 13 felonies. Also, Aaron would have had to swear under oath that he committed a crime, something he did not actually believe.

      http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/01/towards-learning-losing-aaron-swartz-part-2

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    50. Re:Let's kowtow! by anomaly256 · · Score: 0

      Can you link to an article or such that states he physically entered a server room and installed unauthorized equipment? The dozens of articles I've seen all make no mention of that.

    51. Re:Let's kowtow! by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corrupt politicians in a democracy have no power at all. They are salesmen selling laws to the highest bidding lobbyists who in turn act as agents for the richest and greediest. Take laws that make small business more and more difficult every day, seriously what benefit would a politician get out of it but check out the lobbyists and the corporate franchises skulking in the background, what benefit do franchisors gain, they shut out small business competitors, either pay franchisors a huge percentage or get purposefully shut out by the complexity of the law.

      Corporations lobbying for the ramping up and expanding of criminal penalties, so they can turn for profit private prisons into slave labour camps.

      Yet those idiot Libertarians still do no get it, economic freedom is not and never will be civil freedom, in fact what you have right now is economic freedoms slowly but surely crushing civil freedoms out of existence. The minority psychopaths at the top of corporations want the economic freedom at the top to own everyone at the bottom, they want the economic freedom to deny you your civil freedom.

      Yet you like many others rant about the power of politicians, when in reality the politicians are being systematically disempowered into being nothing but empty puppets and it is those corporations and corporate executives with the power who are running the show, whilst blaming everything upon the politicians they own.

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    52. Re: Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my worries is that they're going to draw the ire of the government to the point where hacktivists will be treated along the same lines as Al Qaeda. I do believe in a lot of what Anonymous does, but I do not believe they are as amorphous and untouchable as many think they are. There are command and control elements to be found, as well as communication nexuses to be exploited. A lot of kiddies will go down in the process.

      Only fools think that the combined might of the three letter agencies can't reach them; the fact that unlike the Islamic extremists eschew much of technology make them difficult to track (plus many of them are willing to die for their cause). No such problem in the case of hacktivist groups: break down a few doors, rough them up a bit with a broken bone here and there during "apprehension", and maybe even smoke one of them who was "reaching for something" during the raid...then release their version of the events to the media.

      Everybody is an internet badass until they're confronted by highly trained body-armored men holding guns. Sooner or later they'll cross the threshold that warrants serious and sustained attention.

    53. Re:Let's kowtow! by glitch0 · · Score: 1

      Well to be more accurate (pedantic, I suppose), he would really be bringing a robot into their house to systematically take pictures of everything so that he can reconstruct a virtual 3d version of their house. That's different that just taking every picture yourself, just like it would be a different story if A.Schwartz had taken the time to visit and "print to pdf" every article in JSTOR.

      Note: I'm not saying that what Aaron did was wrong or right, just saying that your analogy really isn't apt and needs some corrections to truly be apt.

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    54. Re:Let's kowtow! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Publicize his case, hire a really good lawyer and demand a speedy trial?

    55. Re:Let's kowtow! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      I guess the first three apply if there's at least a thousand miles of ocean between you and them and it's not the 21st century. East Germany was crushed and occupied as long as the Soviets wanted to hold it.

      Also, the first three revolutions were fought by people who stood up in large numbers in public and demanded recognition of their rights. SOPA wasn't stopped by internet vandals. It was stopped because millions of people stood up and publicly said "We don't want this!".

      A few guys hiding out under a cloak of anonymity are not going to overturn any power structure by breaking a few laws or making some information public. They just make themselves targets of investigation and give the big guys somebody to point at and say, "See there what irresponsible vandals these guys are? THAT'S why we need to punish them." They also by donning the "Anonymous" mantle, they associate themselves with the thieves and other vandals who also use that name to diffuse responsibility for their mostly ignoble actions.

    56. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what you think a libertarian is ... actually ignorance is the worst problem we have, after people who can be turned against their allies because it makes them feel superior. Libertarians believe that civil liberties are the most important thing, and economic freedoms are one of those liberties. Obviously if you use one freedom to take away others you aren't doing it right, but then who could possibly look at the current situation and think that it was caused by too much freedom? Organized crime is not freedom, and when people point to criminal actions on any scale and say that that's what libertarians want ... I think they enjoy their ignorance too much, and it will ultimately be used to tighten their chains.

    57. Re:Let's kowtow! by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Here is the original indictment. Look at page 3 under "Overview of Offences".

    58. Re:Let's kowtow! by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Yes the judge could be harsher but Swartz chose that risk when he broke into the server closet and added his hardware to the network. Notice how they talk about risk and not certainty? If someone's response to risk is suicide there is something definitely wrong with that person. Had he been sentenced to 50 years and then committed suicide it would be a different story. We will never know if he would have been sentenced to 6 months at "Club Fed" or 50 years in Folsum as Swartz didn't let it play out. Acting on a "might be" is premature at best.

      It does not matter if he did not agree with the laws, they were on the books and he broke them. He chose to break laws that he did not believe in and then decided not to stand up to the consequences of his actions. He chose a self imposed death sentence. There is no one else to blame for his choices .In the end the old saying applies; "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Many civil rights activists were willing to spend years in prison for their principles; Swartz was not.

    59. Re:Let's kowtow! by anagama · · Score: 1

      It does not matter if he did not agree with the laws, they were on the books and he broke them.

      You're really out of touch. There are so many laws on the books covering so many esoteric areas, laws which have no "intent" requirement, that nobody even knows how many laws there are. Ignorance of the law is no excuse but it is humanly impossible to know all the laws (classic catch 22), and since there is strict liability in many situations, your good intentions don't matter. The ludicrous result is that what should have gotten Swartz a slap on the wrist, maybe a $100 fine, 30 days in jail, and a misdemeanor was charged as it was. This makes it financially and logically impossible to have a jury trial. But whatever, in your black and white world, he broke the law. Remember that the next time you roll through a stop sign. I know it isn't like raping your neighbor, but who knows, it could be punishable by a fine in your local government, and 10 years in Fed's system -- nobody can really tell you an answer to that one way or the other. Ultimately, this is about the Feds being able to take out any person they dislike. The charged crime need not be related to their hatred, but it will work just fine.

      And the problem is that it's becoming nearly impossible to know what the law actually is. The U.S. Constitution outlines just three federal crimes -- treason, counterfeiting, and piracy. Various projects have tried to count the number of federal criminal laws passed since, and many have simply given up. But by most estimates, there are at least 4,000 separate criminal laws at the federal level, with another 10,000 to 300,000 regulations that can be enforced criminally.

      In his most recent book, the civil libertarian and defense attorney Harvey Silverglate argues that most Americans now unknowingly commit about three felonies per day.

      https://secure.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/myths-of-the-criminal-justice-system_n_879768.html

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    60. Re:Let's kowtow! by marxmarv · · Score: 1

      Might makes right, eh? I take comfort in knowing that the smarmy cosmpolitan bourgeois Randites will be among the first against the wall.

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    61. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cowardly faggot no less.

    62. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny all this talk about reining in prosecutors when Lanny Breuer just stepped down, (without comment), the day after Frontline aired him excusing the fact that not ONE Wall Street bank executive has been prosecuted over the mortgage fraud that crashed the world economy because HE was worried about what might happen to the banks. Seems like they need redirecting to the real criminals and need to leave people like Aaron the hell alone.

    63. Re:Let's kowtow! by sjames · · Score: 2

      That's the other side of the coin. Faced with someone from the entitled class who actually deserves prosecution, they do nothing at all. Surely fraud that crashes the world economy has to warrant more prosecutorial attention than making some unauthorized copies.

    64. Re:Let's kowtow! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      They then called the cops because he set up CCTV cameras everywhere and gave the world access to the streams / captures.

      FTFY.

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    65. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet those idiot Libertarians still do no get it, economic freedom is not and never will be civil freedom, in fact what you have right now is economic freedoms slowly but surely crushing civil freedoms out of existence..

      I think you mean "neoliberal economics advocates", not "libertarians". There are many different types of "libertarian", including right-leaning libertarians who concern themselves mainly with individual liberty vs government power. The term "libertarian" has been corrupted in the US for political ends to be conflated with "social liberal" or even "socialist". It doesn't mean that at all. Look it up.

    66. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. Blackmail, as if what the prosecution was doing wasn't outright extortion. Common enough, but extortion nevertheless, what with Justice turning a blind eye to politics and all.

      Whether it's a bad tactic depends on the strategy, and ultimately the ends, which look to me more as false-flag provocateuring for draconian executive orders and for the purpose of leglistive instruction, and tarring the lawful dissenters and activists. Yep, stirring words to ill effect. Poisoning the well. Preaching to the choir, here, mostly, I think, but reactionary, not deaf, ears elsewhere. You're taking on the whole good 'ol boy and gal insider's club of power elites here, and those who survive by not pissing them off. Better hope you're not bluffing, and hope you are, too, at one and the same time, and don't bet the farm, either.

      I sympathize with the Swartz's grievance, nay, I support it, but you want justice, or change, cheap public threats aren't going to do it. If you just want revenge, which of course can be an honorable enough motive, (although, one hopes, with sufficient attention to the consequences,) they'll do even less. And if you've got the goods to really upend things, better hope you have some plan for handling the reins when you get them yourself. Else the army of one god or another will be all too happy to step in for you. Which will piss off even your friends. (not you, Shavano, who appear to grasp this already.) Always remember you're going to be judged at least as rigorously as those you now decry.

      I do find myself wishing Swartz could have handled the strain better, if that's truly what happened. Dunno, wasn't there, etc. Let's lay off on the human sacrifice angle, though. Better live rogues than martyred saints.

    67. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put it this way: Jim Bell had a better idea. Too bad he got sloppy, but he did way less collateral damage than the asshole Fed who provoked him.

      He also had another good idea, of course.

      El Rogue

    68. Re:Let's kowtow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-reply is usually folly, but here goes.

      I should have said "another *interesting* idea", not necessarily a good one. I'll leave that to Admiral Poindexter, et al.

      Never had any real problem with a Fed like Bell did, and I won't. Nothing that being oblivious won't solve. I have to work at that sometimes; it seems to come natural to them. Constantly amazed at the obtuseness of some of them, though.

      Swartz was one of the good guys, but some of the bad guys can't take the strain, either, it seems. So I guess you can say things even out that much anyway.

      Mighty Mouse

    69. Re:Let's kowtow! by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      Yet you like many others rant about the power of politicians, when in reality the politicians are being systematically disempowered into being nothing but empty puppets and it is those corporations and corporate executives with the power who are running the show, whilst blaming everything upon the politicians they own.

      Funny, that's exactly not what I said. Politicians, being power mad children, have *us* the voters to be their parents. Ie, we the people are to blame for the situation we're in right now and the general solution involves being more involved regularly in a substantive way and at the primary level and general election level to vote in legislators that will not simply kowtow to corporate interests under the guise of economic freedom or backing job creation. And if you honestly believe that working within the system is not a mechanism that will alleviate the long-term problem that has enshrined itself in America, then I'd gladly point out that said *guns* are precisely the means and necessity to restore a new union. Personally, I'm not where near advocating any sort of coup. But certainly bitching about corporations isn't a solution in itself unless it follows through that you are communicating those specific points to specific politicians are exactly where they're going wrong and what needs to be addressed. Of course, the fact is too few people actually care about making sure their own representatives are doing things for the good of the country if it means potentially losing their own job, so all the bitching is simply cheap talk.

      PS - Thanks for going on a rant about Libertarianism. How's that relate to things, again? Perhaps you're think about Fascism and how much Republicans and Democrats are Fascists?

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    70. Re:Let's kowtow! by NickDB · · Score: 1

      Agreed, problem is with the government's big guns, they need to be able to aim them somewhere. Anonymous if they're smart can do A LOT of damage from the shadows; banks and infrastructure don't need to be bombed anymore to stop them, just kill their systems and they're equally useless.

  3. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This time there will be change, or there will be chaos."

    There goes the internet

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, people are fucking stupid if they think this shit isn't going to lead to bad things.

    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know Anonymous is driven by the FBI right? Just like all the stories about Newtown that never make it out. False flag. They want our guns. They want our means of communications. They want us enslaved. Call it a conspiracy all you want. Go look in the mirror and call it a conspiracy, then see how long it takes you to realize you are lying to yourself.

    3. Re:Great by sdnoob · · Score: 1

      blackmailing the u.s. government is such a brilliant idea.. nothing could possibly go wrong.

    4. Re:Great by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The funniest part is that you think the US government, armed with tanks, gunship helis, fighter jets, drones, and pretty soon power-armored supersoldiers, gives a shit about your cute little pea-shooters. That stuff is an annoyance on par with a persistent horsefly to them.

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    5. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worked for Wall Street. "Too Big To Fail" netted them a cool 700 billion with no paperwork, no credit check and no requirement on how to spend it..(they spent alot of it on bonuses the following year).

  4. So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnished by eksith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not gonna go into whether or not this "warhead" business is a good idea. It's probably not, since it wouldn't be what Aaron Swartz himself would. He would have made a lot of noise and brought public attention had he been able to cope, but defacements were beneath him. Also, it's likely just dirt courtesy of WikiLeaks.

    But whatever hope anyone had about restoring that term to what it was just went up in a flame of digital smoke.

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  5. Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you'd prefer the US Gov put their efforts into more important things, right, and not waste their time on this?

  6. Really Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Methinks this is more hoax than serious threat. I checked Google's cache of the vandalized USSC site and found the instruction to create the "Warhead" file near the bottom of the page:

    $ cat Scalia* Kennedy* Thomas* Ginsburg* Breyer* Roberts* Alito* Sotomayor* Kagan* > Warhead-US-DOJ-LEA-2013.aes256 && rm -rf /

    1. Re:Really Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Breakdown of the command for the linux-unaware:

      $ = commands running not as root (# would be running as root), no indication of what directory the command is being executed from
      cat Scalia* Kennedy* Thomas* Ginsburg* Breyer* Roberts* Alito* Sotomayor* Kagan* > Warhead-US-DOJ-LEA-2013.aes256 = Combine all the files in the directory that start with the names listed into a single file called Warhead-US-DOJ-LEA-2013.aes256
      && = Run another command only if the cat command preceding && successfully completes
      rm -rf / = erase the / directory and everything in it

      The cat command could work assuming the command was executed in a directory the user has write access to. The rm -rf / command though wouldn't nuke the server. Non-root users can't write files and directories owned by root unless they're part of a group with write access or the files. Of course, they could have recursively chmodded / to 777 or something, but if you could do that, why would you not be running as root? Also, if you wanted to nuke files, you wouldn't use rm because it would leave the files behind. Instead, you'd use shred or wipe or even cat or dd in a hurry.

    2. Re:Really Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm. $ does not necessarily indicate that you're not running a command as root. This could be a root kit, it could be simply overriding $PS1 in bash, etc...

    3. Re:Really Anonymous? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They used to use $ in naming variables in Basic. It could be that.=

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    4. Re:Really Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, nobody packs files together using cat. That line from the bottom of the page is just art.

    5. Re:Really Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is a Linux command to conctenate the files and create the Warhead file but WARNING!!!!

      If you run that command with the switches (&& rm -rf/) you will delete your root directory.

      Leave off everything after .aes256 and you will be okay. Leave from && onward and you'll trash your system. The command was put there to foul up the trolls and shills.

      Also, if you want to accomplish the same thing in Windows you use the copy command and you must get the order right. (It appears right above, but no one really knows at this point. It's likely Kagan is the last file since it's smaller than others. If you don't know the syntax for the copy command in Windows then you probably shouldn't be screwing around with this stuff at all.

      Either way, once you have concatenated the files, you still need the encryption software and a password to access it.

    6. Re:Really Anonymous? by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Obviously just a bit of a joke. It may be a clue as to some of the contents - but this isn't what they did by any stretch. Firstly, you cannot pipe stuff into an aes256 extension and magically have it encrypted. Secondly, no cracker worth their salt "rm -rf /"'s a server until they've made sure that the regular backups have been corrupted. Third, why would you pipe into a file and then remove it if successful with the very next command?

  7. Yea... right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/usa-government-took-you-over/anonymous-releases-warhead-encryption-keys-warhead-us-doj-lea-2013aes256/202266033246726

    Because somehow when anonymous is going to release partial redacted versions of "mind blowing" information(implying they are going to kee
    more sensitive and damaging content for later), they release the encryption keys to the public.

    Nothing in these "warheads" will be anything more damaging than what anonymous could find by /googling/ their targets.

    Incompetent angsty teenagers.

    1. Re:Yea... right. by terlmann · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I posted this comment. Yes, the one right above this. I wasn't logged in, sorry.

    2. Re:Yea... right. by sjames · · Score: 1

      That is not necessarily true, it would depend on what directory the command was issued in on what server. That is, unless the 'command line' was just a metaphor for what is in the 'warhead'.

    3. Re:Yea... right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, don't believe this douchebag, mods. Just pathetic karma whoring.

    4. Re:Yea... right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's what is likely in a typical "supreme warhead" file

      $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=Thomas.1 count=10

    5. Re:Yea... right. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Well if we're going to do proof by random assertion, I say they contain video proof that the Supreme court are all the hybrid love children of the Roswell aliens and Joe McCarthy.

      Just as much proof as you have but mine is at least amusing.

    6. Re:Yea... right. by Yomers · · Score: 1

      It does not look like the keys, seems to be repost of the same encrypted files.

    7. Re:Yea... right. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, I'm fartacus!

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  8. Re:Real fucking radicals by wirefarm · · Score: 1

    You apparently don't get it at all, AC.

    The "warhead" is the encrypted file that the defaced page served to distribute.

    They took down the server not to cause a disruption as much as to advertise and draw awareness to their cause.

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  9. Taking bets & Eric Holder sucks donkey balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wants to bet the warheads are fucked up pornography?
    Sexual harassment accusations swept under the rug?
    Judicial Review for $$$?

    What have they found on 2 of the most powerful people in the United States? I kinda want the Justice Department to continue acting like douche-nozzles so we can find out what fucked up perversion or greed has corrupted one of the most hallowed institutions of the US Government.

    People are worried about gun control? Anonymous is rapidly demonstrating that computers are a much more powerful tool of destruction and means of expressing dissent. We don't need to regulate high capacity 10 round magazines!
    -We need to limit computers to 8 cores and/or 1 military style feature such as multi-threading.
    -Only pedophiles need advanced public key encryption. DES is perfectly adequate for price hunting and ebay shopping.
    -Single-disc DVD-burners should be banned, so I'm drafting a bill titled: The Sensible Americans for Regulation of Assault Style Automatic Disc Changers
    Hunters don't need to worry about their legitimate need to burn CDs from iTunes, so long as their writable drive does not have more than one Automatic Disc Changer features such as
    A. Eject button
    B. Small hole for paperclip removal of miltary-type jammed Warez or Pr0n cds. I'm told this is called a "bullet-button" among the most elite members of Anonymous.

    Because the cost is too great to let even 1 hacker slip through the cracks, I have created a subsection prohibiting any Veteran with PTSD, or SSRI prescribed Ass-burgers deviant from possession of a modem with an upload speed greater than 56kbps.

     

  10. I love Anonymous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least somebody is standing up for our rights. Let's face it - most people just want to stuff their face with junk food and watch American Idol. They don't like to question authority because doing that makes them feel uncomfortable. Most people are sheep.

    Wake me up when there is chaos all around. I'm gonna get me some stockbrokers, bankers, and politicians. Bang, bang, baby! Come and join me. Direct action + lethal force = change. Always has been, always will be.

  11. Nice media strategy by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anonymous will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents.

    Well, that's one way to get the word out -- but word to the wise, going upstairs and showing your mom doesn't count as a "media outlet."

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    1. Re:Nice media strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly underestimate the "moms" communication network. It is clearly many times more efficient than that newfangled "internet".

    2. Re:Nice media strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo mamma's pussy is so loose, Anonymous counts it as a media outlet.

    3. Re:Nice media strategy by Maow · · Score: 1

      Anonymous will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents.

      Well, that's one way to get the word out -- but word to the wise, going upstairs and showing your mom doesn't count as a "media outlet."

      I'm curious; what if you as a writer for El Reg were to receive some of these documents - what would you do with them?

      Honestly, as a non-American, I haven't even looked into what it is they're taking although I expect the only impact will be for some of them to have their asses handed to them by the DoJ eventually.

      I'm more curious on your thoughts on receiving something like this or the infamous Wikileaks materiel.

      Cheers

    4. Re:Nice media strategy by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious; what if you as a writer for El Reg were to receive some of these documents - what would you do with them?

      It's a good question and -- with the understanding that I don't speak for The Register or its management -- the answer is that it really depends. I don't know what kind of information they supposedly stole. TFA says the files were named after Supreme Court judges. That tells me nothing. The information, if verifiable, might count as proof that a hack actually took place, but if someone shows me the cell phone numbers and home addresses of all the Justices, that information wouldn't itself be news.

      In a broader sense, though, let's suppose we were the recipient of some major, Wikileaks-style information dump. What would we do? All I can say is that:

      A.) It's a topic that has definitely come up in the newsroom before, on numerous occasions.
      B.) In some cases things can be a little dicey for us because, being a publication based in the UK, we are subject to UK libel laws, which are notoriously backwards and archaic.
      C.) Similar things have happened. For example, there are a fair number of tech-savvy people on staff. So if a story comes up that somebody stole a couple of gigs' worth of emails and "released it," one of us just might be sharp enough to figure out that there must be a torrent of them out there somewhere, and go fetch them. Fine; now we're sitting on a big pile of data that was illicitly obtained from the source. Is the leak already the subject of an investigation? Or litigation? By law, are we now complicit in the original crime? Do we then mention that we have reviewed the documents and that they are of such-and-such nature? Or do we just use the download to verify, for our own satisfaction, that the leak is in fact legitimate? If we mention that we have the documents, where do we say we got them from? Who is our "source"? If a Julian Assange steps up and offers something and says "I released this," that's one thing, but if an anonymous script kiddie just puts something out there it's a little different.

      So I guess in summary, all I can say is that it depends. It depends on how important the story is. It depends on who is offering the information. It depends on the nature of the information, e.g. does it involve individuals, governments, etc.? It depends on who might be damaged by the release of the information, and to what extent, as well as how much public benefit there might be in releasing it. The answer is always going to vary on a case-by-case basis -- but where the very tricky cases are concerned, we do have lawyers we can ask.

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  12. Question by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least somebody is standing up for our rights. Let's face it - most people just want to stuff their face with junk food and watch American Idol. They don't like to question authority because doing that makes them feel uncomfortable. Most people are sheep.

    Yes, hear hear! They are liberating us. But there was something odd from the summary:

    At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file.

    Ah, so the "information wants to be free" right up until it's you who has access to the information. We have been liberated from being manipulated "sheep" of the US government and are now part of a flock shepherded by anonymous individuals? And ... uh ... that has gained us what exactly? Out of the frying pan into the fire? If I can't trust the US Government and I can name their members, how can I trust Anonymous whom I cannot name?

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    1. Re:Question by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. The folks who Overlord the new revolution are anonymous...how might I contact someone if I have a question? Sure. Folks with zero accountability in shaping opinion and behavior for the rest of us. What could go wrong with that?

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    2. Re:Question by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...how might I contact someone if I have a question?

      I'm sure they read Slashdot. Remember, only one question per post.

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    3. Re:Question by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Not so different from the others that are doing the same shaping on all of us behind piles of cash and paid puppets. But at least this anonymous do it directly without hiding that they are feeding opinion.

    4. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Folks with zero accountability in shaping opinion and behavior for the rest of us. What could go wrong with that?

      Like Rupert Murdoch, Fox News and the like?

    5. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . Folks with zero accountability in shaping opinion and behavior for the rest of us. What could go wrong with that?

      You're referring to the government, right?

  13. Re: Real fucking radicals by dugancent · · Score: 1

    Yawn. They need to get real. No one cares about their website, even themselves.

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  14. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Tommy+Bologna · · Score: 0

    You were "not gonna go into whethere or not this 'warhead' business is a good idea," then in the very next sentence you do exactly what you just said you weren't going to do. This is how you instantly undercut your credibility.

  15. Awfully Pretentious by mlookaba · · Score: 2

    The "We immediately convened an emergency council blah blah blah" thing just reeks of pre-teen chat rooms or IRC channels (back in the day).

    The video was pretty good quality, and I agree with the message. But *please*.

    1. Re:Awfully Pretentious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found it to be humorous.

    2. Re:Awfully Pretentious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're teens and twenty somethings who never grew up, what do you expect.

  16. Just publish the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here we go again. Stop posturing and just publish the documents. As appealing as fighting for justice and equality, this grand standing and attempt to use "secret" information to extract concession is at best juvenile, at worst a power game. Neither of which serves to advance justice and equality.

    If there is information pertinent to illegal or unethical government action. Just publish it and let the public judge for themselves. Otherwise, how is the blackmail strategy of Anonymous different from that of our governments.

    1. Re:Just publish the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Publishing means to put content into the public. It can only be public if people are aware that it exists. So some posturing is a necessary part of gaining media coverage, otherwise hardly anyone will bother even looking for the published material, let alone read it.

    2. Re:Just publish the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's psychology directed at news outlets. Just releasing a big chunk of files containing some incriminating data might get a few people riled up for a while, but it's relatively uninteresting to the general public. Tease news outlets with hyperbolae and a stream of disparate partial data, and you can drum up enough interest in the general public that larger news outlets actually want to cover the juicier bits.

    3. Re:Just publish the files by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      This. Unless is a bluff trying to make the government to reveal themselves trying to stop this, showing the info in plain form and without so much theater should not give them time to react. And if they can hide the evidence after being published, they could hide the decrypt key as well..

    4. Re:Just publish the files by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Otherwise, how is the blackmail strategy of Anonymous different from that of our governments.

      Do you know why our government uses threats, horsetrading, grandstanding, and blackmail? Because they work.

      Personally, I use different tools to work for what I believe in. But if I see a guy using tools I don't like to achieve good, and he's competing with a guy who is using those same tools to achieve evil, I cheer for the guy who is working to achieve good. If the only difference between Anonymous and our government is their objective, what else should I judge them on?

      As long as we continue to use our justice system in this abusive way, more and more people are going to resort to the same dirty tools and tactics that we use. The way to stop the spiral is not to chide them for sinking to our level, it is to stop abusing our justice system.

    5. Re:Just publish the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you seriously think that this latest bunch of script kiddies is going to accomplish anything other than getting a few other idealists thrown in jail, you're delusional.

    6. Re:Just publish the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because part of the reason governments end up pursuing objectives that are against their citizens is because they don't follow a high enough standard, which includes their tactic. You change their objective, and you win ondce, you change their way of doing things and you win for decades. Anonymous have a commendable goal here, but their tactics won't elp with achieving the latter.

    7. Re:Just publish the files by Tom · · Score: 1

      this grand standing and attempt to use "secret" information to extract concession is at best juvenile, at worst a power game. Neither of which serves to advance justice and equality.

      The problem is that the other side in this conflict is equally juvenile and power-gamey, namely the government. The whole "War on Whatever We Dislike This Decade" is so pubescent, it makes sane people sick to watch. The executive's approach of making life hell for people they have an axe to grind with, instead of following justice is straight from the school yard.

      If they didn't have tanks, we'd be laughing at them.

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  17. What if the Government Overreacts? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Far fetched to be sure, but could one possible eventuality be the U.S. Gov't Beginning a War on Hacktivsm? Operation Hackysack could commence and all that's pure in the World would remain safe for another day.

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    1. Re:What if the Government Overreacts? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      An apache helicopter taking out a few homes in suburbia is not an overreaction. Obviously. Just a gentile reminder for the rest of you pimply faced nerds that not even your mothers basement can protect you.

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  18. The thing about being anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody knows when you just disappear.

  19. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    But whatever hope anyone had about restoring [the term "Hacker"] to what it was just went up in a flame of digital smoke.

    The White House, among others, seems to already be aware that "Hacker" has more than one definition. The fight to protect the TMRC sense of "hacker" is over. We won.

  20. Anybody can become anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So anybody can adopt the non-de-plume "Anonymous" and tar themselves and any other "Anonymous" pretender with the same brush. Doesn't this in effect make "Anonymous" synonymous with the worst behavior any "Anonymous" adopts? And therefore "Anonymous" is ultimately doomed to total failure by being "Anonymous". What a pointless wank!

    1. Re:Anybody can become anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't this in effect make "Anonymous" synonymous with the median behavior any "Anonymous" adopts? And therefore "Anonymous" may or may not be doomed to total failure by being "Anonymous". What an average wank!

      FTFY

    2. Re:Anybody can become anonymous by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      So anybody can adopt the non-de-plume "Anonymous" and tar themselves and any other "Anonymous" pretender with the same brush. Doesn't this in effect make "Anonymous" synonymous with the worst behavior any "Anonymous" adopts? And therefore "Anonymous" is ultimately doomed to total failure by being "Anonymous". What a pointless wank!

      The worst bit about this is that their "good name" could easily be sullied by their enemies. I mean, I can see the logic in wanting to protest anonymously, but actually attacking anything using the name "anonymous" was always going to end in disaster as there's obviously no accountability (which they probably think is a virtue), and therefore a very very large chance* the name will be subverted.

      * By very very large, I actually mean absolute certainty.

    3. Re:Anybody can become anonymous by lennier · · Score: 1

      The worst bit about this is that their "good name"

      um

      What good name? Anonymous are already the Hells Angels/Crips/Bloods of the Internet. Now it's just quibbling over just how pointless and disruptive they are.

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  21. Typical Anonymous by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is typical of Anonymous's "hacktivism". The problems with federal prosecutor over reach has been a problem for decades, but Anonymous didn't care at all about it until it impacted one of their own. And even now they're focussed purely on retaliating over someone who can't be helped rather than trying to get publicity for the thousands of other (mostly poor and minority) people out there right now being victimized just the same way.

    And to top it all off, the organization they decide to attack is the USSC, one of the few parts of the government that actually been an ally on this issue (for example, by criticizing the way drug sentencing is biased against minorities).

    1. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problems with federal prosecutor over reach has been a problem for decades, but Anonymous didn't care at all about it until it impacted one of their own

      Quelle suprise! People are highly motivated to protest and become activists when government policies and actions begin to start adversely affecting the social groups they belong to. There's absolutely fucking.nothing.new about this. This is the way it works with activism among the general populace.

    2. Re:Typical Anonymous by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but their "activism" doesn't extend beyond anyone they don't have a direct personal connection too. Look at their video: Schwartz, Assange, Manning. Of all the cases of people being tyrannized by the law enforcement system in this country (many far worse then Aaron Schwartz), we're supposedly believe those are the three that cross the line? Or just the only three Anonymous actually cares about?

      And what exactly is the goal of this effort? Name one specific reform Anonymous wants to see implemented that would improve the situation? Or is this just Kony2013; get a lot of news for a few weeks and then move on to whatever the next cause celeb is and forget all about this one even though nothing has really changed?

    3. Re:Typical Anonymous by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they? who they? I think you're misunderstanding "anonymous".
      do your own anonymous vid of the wounded knee massacre if you want.

      that's how it works. just replace "anonymous" with "guy on the street" in your post and you might get the point.

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    4. Re:Typical Anonymous by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problems with federal prosecutor over reach has been a problem for decades,

      So can you think of a better time than now to start fixing it? If you really believe this is a problem, don't attack your allies. Be thankful for their support, even though you saw the problem before they did.

    5. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa there buddy, that's too much logic for the internet.

    6. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but their "activism" doesn't extend beyond anyone they don't have a direct personal connection too. Look at their declaration: assent to law, quartering, arbitrary government. Of all the cases of people being tyrannized by the law enforcement system in this colony (many far worse then[sic] the provinces), we're supposedly believe these complaints cross the line? Or just the only three problems the general congress actually cares about?

      And what exactly is the goal of this effort? Name one specific reform the general congress wants to see implemented that would improve the situation? Or is this just a tea party; get a lot of news for a few weeks and then move on to whatever the next fundamental right is and forget all about this one even though nothing has really changed?

    7. Re:Typical Anonymous by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      The problems with federal prosecutor over reach has been a problem for decades,

      Having dealt with prosecutors on many different levels over the years, I can assure you that this is by no means limited to the federal level.

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    8. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that Anonymous is aware of this problem he's working, on his own way, to fix it. Meanwhile, what have you done to help? And have you helped at all in every single issue out there before it affected someone you care about?

    9. Re:Typical Anonymous by Tom · · Score: 1

      Is that typical of Anonymous, or of humans in general? Few people care about something until either someone convinces them or it affects them.

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    10. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah..well Ronald Reagan never even uttered the word AIDS until his pal Rock Hudson died from it. What's your point?
      That Idealism that comes from being personally affected by something is something less that some pure abstract notion?
      I'll bet you want security in schools after Sandy Hook...when statistically your kid has a bigger chance of dying of starvation in this country than being murdered in school.
      Everyone feels more strongly when it's THEIR ox being gored. That's just human nature.

    11. Re:Typical Anonymous by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Nobody's perfect.

    12. Re:Typical Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but their "activism" doesn't extend beyond anyone they don't have a direct personal connection too.

      Yes, but you're a raving dumbfucker. Quick, how much do you care about rape right now. How much more would you care about it if a close friend of yours was raped?

      Dumbfucker.

  22. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of all the things I worry about, whether Tommy Bologna finds me credible is pretty far down on the list.

    GP is making pretty vague arguments in support of his claims. He's basically offering unsubstantiated opinion. You either agree with him or you don't. There's nothing in his post to convince anyone of anything. I don't even know why you are bringing credibility into it.

  23. Why do this? by texchanchan · · Score: 1

    It's the result of fury.

  24. You Reap by Phizzle · · Score: 1

    What You Sow...

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    1. Re:You Reap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, another sweater, just what I need.

  25. Think you're missing the point a little bit... by RanceJustice · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Anonymous is in no way a "replacement government". They're a loosely confederated group of people who have a problem with the ways that many governments, and the moneyed corporate puppetmasters that control them, are treating their citizens and the world at large; especially, when it comes to privacy, free speech, and The Internet. They're acting in ways to reveal the corruption and give the people a fighting chance, through dissemination of information. That's it. They are not lobbying to be a replacement for the current government; it is up to the people to, when given a more even playing field, decide that for themselves. Hell, if anything this makes them MORE credible; especially when it comes to politics, the people who really are deserving of respect and would serve the people as intended, often do not want the job. Anonymous isn't "sheparding" you, simply making information available to put We The People on a slightly more even field with those that have done us harm by claiming equality when in truth "Some animals are more equal than others"; its up to all of us what to do with it.

    In respect to the redaction and issue, I am gathering it is two-fold and in no way compromises their integrity. First, it shows restraint and that Anonymous is willing to work within the 'whistleblower' framework, not (as many opponents would have you believe) that this is the work of anarchists who just spew information about without a thought to the process or ramifications thereof. Many have forgotten how Wikileaks offered to work with the Pentagon and State department prior to their releases, asked for where to redact if there were some actual credible national security issues etc... and were met with a simple "Don't do it, we're not even going to talk to you". By redacting information where necessary and offering it through verifiable journalist sources, Anonymous counters the propaganda of the opponents in word and deed. Secondly, it provides some insurance against attempts to litigate, arrest, capture, or kill individuals involved. The insane Wikileaks debacle (along with other leaks from Stratfor, cables, FBI etc...) shows to what level the US government is willing to go to pretend malfeasance and embarrassment is to be cloaked as national security, up to and including ruining the lives of those who are doing nothing but showing the emperor is wearing no clothes. Showing a redacted form of a document can always be followed up by a further revealed one, especially if those involved are smart about distributing the files, encryption keys etc. Ultimately, Anonymous is doing the right thing by this process of events, assuming it comes to its logical conclusion.

    Anonymous isn't asking for your trust, but simply putting data before you and asking for you to make your own damn mind.

    1. Re:Think you're missing the point a little bit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What horseshit.

      First, it shows restraint and that Anonymous is willing to work within the 'whistleblower' framework

      Really? What part of defacing a website fits into the 'whistleblower' framework. Hint: it's up to the journalists and newspapers to do the redacting. An uninterested third party.

      Anonymous isn't asking for your trust, but simply putting data before you and asking for you to make your own damn mind.

      You don't see how someone withholding certain information could push an agenda by doing so? It's lies by omission. They should had the data over to a reputable newspaper and let them do the redacting. This is just like that "Collateral Murder" video that neglected to include footage of that helicopter crew being fired upon multiple times earlier that day. Of course they had itchy trigger fingers.

      It isn't about them being a government, you idiot. It's about them omitting the data that doesn't align with their agenda. Don't go to bat for these guys, they have motivations just like anyone else! They thrive on building a stupid reputation. True whistleblowers do not.

    2. Re:Think you're missing the point a little bit... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      In respect to the redaction and issue, I am gathering it is two-fold and in no way compromises their integrity.

      Oh?

      Seems to me that you can say almost anything with some selective redacting/editting - not hard at all to remove the parts that paint your enemies in a good light.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    3. Re:Think you're missing the point a little bit... by RanceJustice · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is only the case if 1) You edit with such intent and change the meaning of the document and 2) Refuse to provide the complete document at a later date. I see no reason that Anonymous would follow either of these practices in this case, and furthermore they have a distinct history of doing the opposite. For instance, several documents from the Arab world that were released initially with redacted names in order to protect a number of opposition voices during various movements, but were revealed in their entirety later.

      If someone intends to distort credibility (especially of whistleblowers, as we've seen constantly in these past few years) its easy to say "You're redacting too much, you're not redacting enough, you're releasing too much, you're not releasing enough etc...". You can't make anyone happy, but especially when fighting against a massive foe with a huge disinformation and propaganda complex that is bent on swaying public, you have to make some strategic decisions. The biggest clarion call the US government issued to try Wikileaks in the court of public opinion (aside from calling Assange a rapist, of course) was to claim that because of the leaks, individuals with protected identities would die; the story of agents being revealed and being compromised/killed was a constant hypothetical in the media - despite the fact that proper investigation proved that not a single leaked document led to any vulnerability of the sort! However, it was part of the disinformation campaign to convince the public that whistleblowers and even those who presented leaks like Wikileaks and journalists were responsible for security breaches leading to compromise/death of Americans, repeated frequently enough, that convinced many to overlook the real content of the leaks and instead just have a "gut feeling" that somehow they were against national security - just as planned. Thus, at least an initial, smartly redacted release can provide a factual counterpoint to the propaganda and show that these releases were done "crossing the t's, dotting the i's".

    4. Re:Think you're missing the point a little bit... by elucido · · Score: 1

      If all political groups are allowed to use illegal methods of pursing their self interest then Anonymous is not going to be the only group doing this and many groups that take opposing positions against Anonymous will be doing illegal activities to try and stop the political agenda of Anonymous.

      That is why vigilantism isn't necessarily a good tactic. Any side can apply those tactics and it hurts the people who aren't willing to be criminals due to their job or having too much to lose.

    5. Re:Think you're missing the point a little bit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all political groups are allowed to use illegal methods of pursing their self interest then Anonymous is not going to be the only group doing thIS and many groups that take opposing positions against Anonymous will be doing illegal activities to try and stop the political agenda of Anonymous.

      That is why vigilantism isn't necessarily a good tactic. Any side can apply those tactics and it hurts the people who aren't willing to be criminals due to their job or having too much to lose.

      Yeah..right. Wouldn't want the bankers and politicians to lose their moral conscience and start hurting people who aren't willing to be criminals...like ..say...the Middle Class.

  26. Toxic government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone will argue whether this is a good idea, whether we should "work within the system", whether this is something that Aaron would have done, "ballot box, soapbox, ammo box", and so on. The arguments are patently obvious, and not particularly new or innovative. We've heard it all before, here and elsewhere.

    The federal government has always been toxic to the citizenry, and it seems like in recent years the level of malevolence and spite from the people in charge have reached critical levels. Like a pot of superheated water, a nucleating agent will make the whole thing flash to steam.

    Efforts to fix the problem from within have failed. The system is flexible enough that it will change to prevent any attempts to fix it. People have been trying for years, to no avail. (People have voted for smaller government, less war, and human rights for decades - how has that worked out?)

    Most of what we depend on for civilization does not come from the federal government. The protections of law, community services, even many entitlements are run at the state level. We could do away with the federal government almost entirely and everyday life would continue uninterrupted.

    (Would anyone notice if suddenly we no longer had a war on drugs, no searches at airports, no wars fought on foreign soil, no foreign military bases? Could we just dispense with all military and discretionary spending, leaving social security, medicare, and VA benefits intact? Who would attack us if we didn't have a military? How much would productivity increase if instead of paying to keep people in prison, we freed people to become taxpayers?)

    People are losing faith in the government. At some point, government is no longer an asset to the people, but a tumor which must be attacked and destroyed.

    If you dislike the tactics Anonymous are using, then by all means show us your alternative.

    Otherwise, outright hostility towards the federal government will increase and people will eventually realize that having no federal government is better than what we have now.

    At that point it will all come tumbling down - very quickly.

    All it takes is a spark, a nucleating incident, or a viral video.

    1. Re:Toxic government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the response here is going to be along the lines of: "You fool! We NEED our military to protect us from all the evils in the world."
      This will be stated with either the slack-jawed drawl of the brainwashed and there will be no questioning of that "fact." Then we'll hear about how the peacenicks would lead us to ruin with their pacifist ways. No thought at all about the cost/benefit ratio of the bloated, treasury raping, terrorist-generating ring of thugs we call the US military.

    2. Re:Toxic government by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (People have voted for smaller government, less war, and human rights for decades - how has that worked out?)

      Since 1980 people have pretty much consistently voted for more government benefits, bigger government programs and whatever else the government says it needs to increase payments to people. We have gotten ourselves into a financial mess with a president promoting lower taxes and a Congress that spends as much as possible to keep the gravy train going.

      Would anyone notice if suddenly we no longer had a war on drugs, no searches at airports, no wars fought on foreign soil, no foreign military bases?

      Sure you would. No more searches at airports would mean the instant revocation of insurance coverage for airlines - remember, they proved they can't handle the security screening. No foreign military bases would mean all the cheap stuff from China and South Korea would disappear in a blinding flash. North Korea is just waiting for the US to give up on the South so they can walk in and take over. We could probably give up bases in Europe now, but in a lot of ways these bases are a net gain for everyone's economy.

      Foreign wars? Sure, I suppose. Today we are trying to follow a "You broke it, you own it" philosophy and it is taking time - because the countries are far less stable than either Germany or Japan were at the end of WWII where we had to follow a similar course. Unfortunately some bright folks thought we could do this on the cheap and not bother the people about it. I'd say a much better course would have been to sell bonds to support the effort and maybe a special "war tax". We could have actually seen if Congress would have gone along with that. I suspect they would have. Afganistan was a pretty popular engagement.

    3. Re:Toxic government by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since 1980 people have pretty much consistently voted for more government benefits, bigger government programs and whatever else the government says it needs to increase payments to people.

      Yeah, instead of vodint Democrat (who support big goverenment) they should have voted Republican (who support big government). Or was it the other way around?

      Sure you would. No more searches at airports would mean the instant revocation of insurance coverage for airlines - remember, they proved they can't handle the security screening.

      Haha. You know, or airlines would do what is required, not the unnecessary crap which goes on now. I doubt any actuary believes a pair of tweasers or miniture swiss army knife could be used to hijack a plane. Even the UK (we grew the shoe-bomber, if you didn't know) has given up on the shoeless shuffle. Seriously, the TSA is nuts and out of hand.

      North Korea is just waiting for the US to give up on the South so they can walk in and take over

      So you have NK which has been an impoverished shit hole for the last 50 years and SK which has been prosperous and high tech. SK has a quite advanced and prosperous armaments industry. It wouldn't be a quick fight, but I don't expect SK would fall easily to NK. Also, if NK did use nukes, the rest of the world would probably pile in. The NK leadership may be nuts but not nuts enough to loose what power they have.

      You also ignored the large point about the massive, expensive and unjust war on drugs.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    4. Re:Toxic government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..."ballot box, soapbox, ammo box", and so on. The arguments are patently obvious, and not particularly new or innovative. We've heard it all before, here and elsewhere.

      Nobody ever does anything about it. Mind you, I don't think any of those will work. You can't vote them out, because they'll be replaced by more of the same.

      You can't talk about it in public, because you'll either be derided, labelled a terrorist or a commie, or you'll be ignored.

      You definitely can't stage a revolution. The army is too big. Internal security is too big. The police are too big. You would need at least one of those organisations on your side, and all of their resources, and you don't have those.

      You, the American people, have let it get out of hand. Too many of you have allowed yourself to be lead, too many have been easily manipulated or fooled. I can't imagine that there's any way out, or any way back.

      For the most part, you've allowed the Land of the Free to become the nightmare that many of your immigrant forefathers fled.

    5. Re:Toxic government by thenextstevejobs · · Score: 1

      North Korea is just waiting for the US to give up on the South so they can walk in and take over.

      Wanted to chime in on this NK/SK comment, which is--the US has 28,500 soldiers in Korea. South Korea has 640,000 active personel, and 2,900,000 in reserve. South Korea also has plenty of other allies besides the US, should the US ever decide to go into isolationist mode.

      Don't fool yourself into thinking the US presence has anything to do with the stability of the Korean peninsula. I would say the impact of the United States Forces Korea is negligible, and in fact, may be contributing to hostilities rather than keeping peace. It has a great deal more to do with China and Japan, both who have a great interest in keeping the peace in Korea.

      --
      Long live the BSD license
    6. Re:Toxic government by Tom · · Score: 1

      Since 1980 people have pretty much consistently voted for more government benefits, bigger government programs and whatever else the government says it needs to increase payments to people. We have gotten ourselves into a financial mess with a president promoting lower taxes and a Congress that spends as much as possible to keep the gravy train going.

      What a surprise. Politicians all for making more things political, the government being pro big-government. Who'd have thought?

      The primary purpose of any administration is self-perpetuation. The government is no different. Their primary purpose is to pile up more stuff into their "mine" pile. After all, who would put themselves out of their job? These people are just humans, too. And not necessarily the best kind (because the good ones won't survive internal party politics).

      Today we are trying to follow a "You broke it, you own it" philosophy and it is taking time - because the countries are far less stable than either Germany or Japan were at the end of WWII where we had to follow a similar course.

      Nonsense. Stability has nothing to do with it.

      Both Germany and Japan had two other important things in common that places like Iraq or Afghanistan don't:
      a) They were highly industrialized countries. This has all sorts of economic and social effects, but most importantly makes rebuilding them easier, faster and more easily managed.
      b) They were western (Germany) or west-oriented (Japan) countries. Rebuilding them did not subject them to an entirely foreign culture they rejected and considered evil.

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    7. Re:Toxic government by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      >Who would attack us if we didn't have a military?

      Are you saying you don't see anyone attacking us now?

      Either way. Having a military but not needing it is greatly preferable to not having a military and desperately needing it.

      --
      Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
    8. Re:Toxic government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well stated. I hope we all just watched that video. Can't be too soon for me.

    9. Re:Toxic government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the US Department of Defense is the largest employer in the world, I think we would all notice when the economy collapses.

    10. Re:Toxic government by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Who would attack us if we didn't have a military?

      Anyone who a: wanted to, and b: had a military.

      Hell, you wouldn't even need a military.

    11. Re:Toxic government by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      North Korea keeps something like 50,000 artillery tubes trained on Seoul at all times, just on the far side of the DMZ. Even if South Korea acted first and hit them with a fairly devastating surprise attack, the remaining NK artillery would be sufficient to overwhelm the SK defenders and flatten Seoul within a half hour to an hour. There's no high-tech solution to that problem that I can think of is dropping no less than 1000 tons of cluster bombs (from orbit?) simultaneously with no warning over the entirety of the NK side of the demilitarized zone, four kilometers deep. As cluster bombs are jokingly referred to by the military as "grid square removal devices", a map grid is 1 kilometer on a side, and the DMZ is about 250 km wide and 4km deep, 1000 of these 1-ton devices should prove sufficient to blunt the initial NK counterattack. Still, additionally you'd have to flatten everything in a 20-40 km radius centered on Seoul that's north of the border, based on the estimated range of NK artillery. During the Korean War, NK had the most advanced military in the world at the time; contemporary American 155mm howitzers have a range of just under 20 km. However, relatively simple technologies have pretty well doubled the effective range of artillery; even North Korean industry can manufacture base-bleed projectiles, and for their uses - flattening their foes capital, a major industrial and population center - any loss of accuracy is irrelevant. They have a very target-rich environment. Therefore, I must conclude there's no really good high-tech solution to a massive, dug-in field army that doesn't involve orbital artillery or nukes.

      The more you know!

  27. Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great: Anonymous has it, and will show what they want to who they want when they want. So much for openness. How is this any different? I guess Anonymous _is_ the U.S. Sentencing Commission. If not, I don't know who they are so I have no recourse. How is this any better than .... anything? This parasitizes and damages a lot of worthwhile causes.

  28. Which anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the "real" Anonymous please stand up and put an end to this nonsense?

    1. Re:Which anonymous? by black3d · · Score: 1

      There is no "real" Anonymous, that's kinda the point..

      --
      "The true measure of a person is how they act when they know they won't get caught." - DSRilk
  29. Yeah, right by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are faced with overwhelming public outcry about injustice. Daily press reveals ever more injustice, fanning flames. Whitehouse petition obligates response. Congressional investigations, laws proposed to rein you in. A martyr. What to do? "Hack" your own website and make threats against the Supremes so you can take the line "We do not negotiate with terrorists." Close book, no investigation needed. Brilliant!

    --
    Help stamp out iliturcy.
    1. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least someone else is as paranoid as i

  30. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay. Lead sentence is first-person. Second paragraph, first and second sentence third-person, then second-person before third and back to first... How many of you wrote that comment?

  31. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by eksith · · Score: 1

    Going into != touching upon. Protection aside, I guess they don't really make that difference more clear in sex ed :/

    --
    If computers were people, I'd be a misanthrope.
  32. What about Aaron Swartz by t3kn04r33k · · Score: 1

    This is a prime example of how idealistic ideology can get you in trouble. unbridled idealism that is not tempered in reality is exactly what happened to Aaron

    1. Re:What about Aaron Swartz by anagama · · Score: 2

      No, what happened to him was that he was persecuted by the feds beyond any measure of proportionality between his crime and the possible sentence. When fascists destroy people, should we blame the victims or the jackbooted thugs? I vote we blame the MFing thugs.

      --
      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
    2. Re:What about Aaron Swartz by chronokitsune3233 · · Score: 1

      Idealistic ideology indeed. However, the meaning is true nonetheless. People's freedoms are being taken away despite the fact that they are meant to be guaranteed. I don't know about Aaron, but I must say that I'm inclined to agree with the motives behind Anonymous' movement, even if I disagree with the methods and tactics they employ. We are not Borg, and we will not be assimilated. Ultimately, I think Anonymous is acting as the voice of the People because the People have lost their voice and is trying to help them find it once more. It's a way to say, "Wake the heck up, everybody! You're no longer living in 'The Land of the Free!'"

      Look at the options available for the average group of citizens to effect change. The White House has petitions that seem to be going nowhere, so what's the point of doing it in the first place? Members of the U.S. Congress and even the President of the United States are written countless letters, few of which actually cross their eyes in comparison, so that's not a good idea either. The only option left is a more direct course of action. This falls into two categories: violent action and nonviolent action. Nonviolence is being exercised here. Nobody is dying, and nobody is getting wounded in the slightest. I wonder when the violence will start?

      By the way, freedom happens in nature, too. When animals are trapped, they'll do anything to get away. Around here, there's a well-known concept regarding the fact that a deer will gnaw off part of its own leg to get out of a trap. It values its life more than its leg, and the pain is negligible if it means they can survive. The Saw films thrived on that same concept: what will you do in order to survive (or will you give up and die)? While I doubt the films contained political subtext intentionally, the fact is that they can be interpreted in that way.

      Overall, I think the idea driving Anonymous is good, and there has been very little damage as a direct result of their campaign. Morally speaking, what is being done is wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. However, sometimes a bit of a wrong is required to make things right, I guess.

      --
      I have been a captive in America my entire life. Everybody and everything uses customary units instead of metric.
    3. Re:What about Aaron Swartz by t3kn04r33k · · Score: 1

      The fact that the feds were pushing so hard for something to happen is unfortunate, but not beyond their rights, knowing from personal experience with a family member who entangled with the law, the state will throw everything possible at the defendant. They( the state) try to get you to take the plea and make it seem like the outcome will be so much worse if you go to trial, thats their job. As the defendant you must make a decision if you want to take the risk of loosing the battle, however the up side is if he was proven not guilty, that would have made a far bigger statement than his death. In a court of law you are presumed innocent always, unless you plead guilty. And it is up to the state to provide the evidence. You also have a right to a trial with a jury of your peers. If Aaron really wanted to change the world, he would have stayed here and fought the good fight. Doing what is right is not always easy, doing what is easy is not always right.

  33. Bravo bravo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of my gripes of anonymous has been use of crappy text to speech software, low quality visual content and lame messaging especially during occupy movement.

    At least they put a lot of thought and effort into it. I hope they have some pentagon papers level dirt to share but I doubt it.

  34. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    crackers vs. hackers nitpicking on words was lost before word hackers was applied to it's current use.
    because crackers are things you eat with tea.

    So I've been curious when the fuck did hacker not include "crackers"? 1975? because up from 1980 it sure didn't in any written word.
    just face it, cracks only refers to sw someone has already altered.

    but here's the point: hacker includes people who do hacking - even if the hacking is of the black hat kind. just live with it.

    --
    world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  35. Background on the sentencing guidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Law student here. The sentencing guidelines have been optional (they used to be mandatory) for awhile now, so it's a bit weird they attacked the commission. Still, judges make the final call these days, although they often rely on the guidelines. Some good background here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines

  36. Let's get real! by CHIT2ME · · Score: 1

    Hey Anonymous, in this age of cyberwarfare, do you really think that the governments and corporations don't know who you are? It would appear to me that they are just biding their time deciding which of you to "whack" next!!!

    --
    My karma is bad. Don't get too close!!!
    1. Re:Let's get real! by elucido · · Score: 1

      It's actually very hard to trace people. It looks easy in the movies but if they take the right precautions it's very hard to do.

  37. People pick the fights with the tools they know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think our society has fallen into the mindset that government knows what's best and executes what's best; however, this is never the case. Government as an organization is the culmination of community opinion which is never optimal for the individual...it's a delicate balance. While I disagree with Anonymous' methods I think that they are taking something they are passionate about and using the tools they know best to engage in this fight. When a government takes it upon itself to engage individuals using a communal mindset (or worse a corporate-backed mindset) then sometimes civil disobedience is the only course of action. People have limits and what is "fair and just" is truly an art and should be applied delicately rather than absolutely.

  38. Supreme court justices? by Kasar · · Score: 1

    It's been a few years, but the last I checked, the ones issuing these federal laws, piled on top of thousands of others that nobody can even count, were not in the judicial branch. These justices can only issue rulings on law brought to them, they can't create laws. The federal prosecutors are handed a stick through laws, and if they choose to intimidate with the stick, that's one thing, but the stick can be withered or removed entirely by the legislators. I'm not sure Anonymous could come up with a large enough check to get Congress to do their jobs though.

    --
    vi? Who's that?
    1. Re:Supreme court justices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can and do create law. For example, the Obamacare ruling declared that, despite the plain language of the law, and the vehement arguments from the Obama administration that the individual fines for failing to buy insurance were NOT a tax, were actually a tax, and rewrote the law from the bench.

      That's how SCOTUS legislates from the bench on a routine and regular basis.

  39. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Cito · · Score: 3, Funny

    only white hackers can be called "crackers"

    that is our word, we can call each other "cracka", and "Cracka please" but only white hackers can use that word otherwise you are racist and prejudiced against white hackers

    go join the nackers if you don't want to be around the crackers :P

  40. Kiddies by crispi · · Score: 1

    Juvenile hackers with an overdeveloped sense of self-importance, holding people to ransom with the equivalence of IT terrorism.

  41. Annonymous is CIA Provocature Group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read 1984.

    That's how it's done son.

    George Orwell worked for British Intelligence (sic).

  42. just wait by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Just wait until THESE guys get sentenced. The panel will probably write a special set of guidelines just for them.

  43. Brilliant PsyOP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I noticed that CNN and other major news outlets are quoting the 'fissile material' bit. The sustained reference to nuclear weapons and deploying a warhead was obviously, to all of us, a metaphor to the kind of damage the encrypted information would cause once released. What was celebrated on forums, reddits, chans, and gags as a clever use of language is being used by the mainstream media to mislead the public. (This isn't out of malevolence or cooperation with the government, it's just good copy.)

    I noticed quite a few people were downloading the 'payload' over TOR. While TOR offers strong anonymity, it is vulnerable to timing attacks. The US government controls enough nodes on the network that by modulating the traffic leaving the servers hosting the 'justices', they could conceivably discover the entry and exit points. If any of the downloaders used a government controlled entrance node the government would be able to trace beyond the veil put in place by TOR.

    The clever naming of the files, various included 'in jokes', discussions of the attack on anonymous associated boards, and re-use of twit-storming lend the attack credibility. Still, it all seems a bit neat. By inviting people to visit and spend time on the honey-pot and 'deface' the page the controllers of the server can locate people allied with and involved with anonymous. Some of these visits will be through sufficient proxy, others will be too direct. Following the obvious connections, the authorities could flag and tap these users, waiting for them to come directly into contact with suspected 'hackers'.

  44. They can do a heck of a lot more than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They're pulling out all the stops for this one. They have just about everything.

    The botmasters are not with Anonymous on this one - they're whores who care only about the money - but their tools guys are all in with Saint Aaron and they didn't used to be in this fight. They've got the resources to take over just about every PC and server connected to the internet without user interaction now. Routers, firewalls and even network switches are vulnerable too. Particularly almost every consumer broadband router can be repurposed to do anything at all they desire - tens of millions of them - and they're using that for the "seven proxies" trope. The very machines that enterprises use to destroy privacy for their employees have been recruited for this cause: DPI and proxy gear from every major vendor. They almost certainly have your private encryption keys - in some cases got from they guy you trust to hold them.

    They're doing physical penetration and plausibly deniable penetration. "I found this flash drive in the parking lot and looked in it to see if I could find the owner. I had no idea it was loaded with malware that could compromise our entire network that would autorun." "Of course I read that PowerPoint/spreadsheet/word document/pdf emailed from my boss's account." (Sheepish look).

    Figuring out who is to blame and what their weaknesses are is a Big Data problem that demands considerable compute resources. That's why the fans and power consumption are running higher than usual in your datacenter - it's been retasked. It's why if you're a Person Of Interest your Internet is lagging a lot lately, why your smartphone battery doesn't last as long as it used to. It's dumping your data for analysis, recording your calls, reporting ambient noise and GPS coordinates for analysis whether or not the phone is even turned on.

    They're spending money too. Big money. A number of centers in the third world have been spun up to do human analysis of the data.

    2013 is going to be a very interesting year for IT security. SCADA systems are not off limits. Once they figure out how to do this for a Cause and done their bit, it's likely they'll sell the vestigal facility to the highest bidder on the international market. That's bad. Very, very bad.

    I never thought before that the Justice department might be a key threat to national defense given its internal role, but that view is changing.

    1. Re:They can do a heck of a lot more than that by jameshofo · · Score: 1

      A corrupt or bad judge can change the interpretation, enforcement and meaning of a law with the tap of a wooden hammer, not even the president can claim that divine right. Which means we all have to step up and take our government enforced "Broccoli".

      --
      Good leaders run toward problems, bad leaders hide from them.
  45. Late again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how I can go to real new sites and then see the same story here 12 hours later.

  46. slashdot is slow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This story was put on /. by an AC within an hour of ussc being defaced but the story disappeared from the submission list not long after. I suppose /. isn't a place for news rather just a news aggregation website.

  47. in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sentence for hacking just became Mandatory death penalty.
    .

  48. Re: Real fucking radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You clearly did. You're commenting in a thread about it.

  49. Really Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's merely the command Anonymous suggests an individual use to combine the "warhead" file parts into the complete file.

  50. Re:So long "Hacker". Thy meaning is forever tarnis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know that Hack originally meant "student prank"? Now tell me that it is not an apt description for the actions of Anonymous.

  51. Slashdot irritates me by drolli · · Score: 1

    If "anonymous" (or whoever calls itself like that right now) calls something "warheads" could we please distance our self at least in the title of the story by using apostrophs?

    There are several things which i hate about anonymous:

    a) Lack of proper hacker culture, These guys are deep within the blackhat zone. You dont use security breaches or DDOS to blackmail somebody. The only allowed thing which comes close to blackmail which may be allowed is "responsible disclosure" = we have documents or knowledge, which will in the public at a certain time. You do it or we do it. To use publicaiton of documents as retaliation for other things is as evil as it can be.

    b) A lack of reflection on the things they demand. By shouting "The evil system kill everybody and only helps the big companies and a big bad commander and clique of power-hungry evil persons in the capital and the stock exchange run the world by deals behind closed doors and the elections are a farce, so everybody step down and do what we want because we are 9000 (more likely much less)" they somehow discredit the idea. That they suggest is that a cat-porn "benevolent" (?) dictatorship is better than what we have now. I donâ(TM)t think so

    c) Use of militarized language. Really? You want to change society into something where you give people the impression that whoever has the bigger stick is right? Honestly? If i look back at the past 30 years the successful revolutions in the world have not been achieved by having the stronger weapon but by millions of people being unhappy and going to the streets (East Europe, North Africa) or even by discussions and reforms inside the systems (China).

    1. Re:Slashdot irritates me by Magada · · Score: 1

      I shall endeavor to reply for the absent partner in this conversation.

      Lack of proper hacker culture

      Time for bed, gramps. The war for the freedom of the Internet is over and the bad guys won. All that's left now is a low-intensity insurgency and insurgencies don't play by the rules.

      A lack of reflection on the things they demand.

      Mass appeal makes or breaks insurgencies. The insurgent needs to move through the people like the fish through water. So yes, cat pictures.

      Use of militarized language.You want to change society into something where you give people the impression that whoever has the bigger stick is right?

      There is no moment in human history when this has not been true. Even if you have a small stick, you must swing it with panache.

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  52. Anonymous shows us, yet again... by Legal.Troll · · Score: 0

    ...that computer programming skills often do not go hand-in-hand with critical thinking skills, perspective, or even the most basic grounding in the real world.

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  53. Incoherent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do incoherent submissions like this get approved? Do we really need to encourage people who can't be bothered to write English that makes sense?

  54. (+1, Ironic) by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    Particularly since the target of the hack was the the very commission in charge of determining the exact threats against those who might commit Federal crimes. High five, bro.

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  55. Oh, but is it slumber? by marxmarv · · Score: 1

    Or intoxication? Some of the very technology that enthuses technology enthusiasts act not only as the bribes held out to discourage action against injustice, but as delivery mechanisms for tireless, persuasive, superficial (and well-paid) advocates for injustice.

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    1. Re:Oh, but is it slumber? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Intoxication would be one of numerous possible causes of ignorance. I was using a general term (ignorant) rather intentionally :)

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  56. While they're on Fed sentencing guidelines ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. why don't they also attack the barbarity, idiocy and expense of an irrational system where:

    1. 1 in 32 US citizens are under correctional supervision and 0.743% of people are incarcerated at any one time, more than any other country in the world. Almost one quarter of the entire world's inmates are imprisoned in the US. This despite the fact that technology like ankle bracelets can easily render prison redundant in most cases and keep families together. Keeping a convict's relationships going has been proven to hugely improve rehabilitation and thus drastically lower re-offfending rates;

    2. draconian sentencing for unpopular crimes such as non-violent (or even trivial) child sex offences, driven only by moral outrage and media beatups, can exceed sentencing for very severe crimes, in defiance of logic, fairness, or any evidence that this achieves anything;

    3. rape in prison is tolerated (with jokes about 'Bubba') or even encouraged and where reforms that would prevent rape in prison entirely (such as one prisoner per cell and full electronic surveillance) are ignored;

    4. those with a felony conviction are barred from voting for life and very likely will have no life after release, thus having no alternative but returning to crime.

    5. corrections have been privatized and turned into an industry where profits are increased by increasing recidivism rates, so there is no incentive whatsoever for privatized prisons to focus on rehabilitation.

    I could go on. In what universe would any of this be considered logical and in the genuine interests of the public?

  57. Dowling v US by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)

    Majority opinion written by Justice Harry Blackmun.

    "Holding - Copies of copyrighted works cannot be regarded as stolen property for the purposes of a prosecution under a statute criminalizing the interstate transportation of such property."

    Also, for the record, none of the indictments had anything to do with "stealing", or even "copyright infringement". They were for, among other things, using a static IP address.

    Whine all you like. Mr. Swartz didn't steal anything.

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  58. What federal law regulates speeding? by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

    Can you point me at the federal law that makes going 25mph over the speed limit into a felony? And the red light one, too.

    Because I've been charged with doing 80 in a 40 (wrongly, mind you; my car couldn't make those turns at 80, lol). All they did was suspend my license. Funny how the math with the VASCAR lines was accurate to infinite precision - almost as if the value of twice the speed limit was intentionally chosen, and VASCAR times were reverse engineered from the desired speed. When presented with this evidence, and some photos of the turns I was allegedly doing 80 through, the cop in question decided to work out a deal with me that didn't involve any points on my license.

    I've also been pulled over for "running a red light". Was given a citation for "failure to obey a traffic signal". Small fine, didn't even affect my insurance.

    So, forgive me for calling bullshit on your allegations that these two actions are felonies.

    And, for the record, all of the plea deals offered to Mr. Swartz involved pleading guilty to all thirteen felonies and spending at least six months in prison. "ever hear of plea deals", indeed...maybe you should have looked into what deals were offered to him before running your mouth about "cowards".

    I'd like to see you call Mr. Swartz a coward to his parents' faces. I'll bet you wouldn't have the guts. You're just full of Internet Bravado.

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