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What You Need To Know About Phone Unlocking

Now that unlocking a new phone is under many circumstances illegal in the U.S. (!), Digital Trends has collected a useful set of answers outlining just what that means. As they put it, a "quick guide to answer all your why, how, and WTF questions." Among them, some explanation of the rule-making process, the reasoning that led to the end to the unlocking exception to the DMCA (including the Ninth Circuit's 2010 Vernor v. Autodesk decision), and illustrations of situations in which it is not illegal to unlock your phone.

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  1. Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by craznar · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know it is in Australia (ACCC).... would have thought US had more protection.

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    1. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by dkf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course it is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. Why do you think the US carriers are so keen on it? They're consistently anti-consumer, and put a lot of effort into persuading the "regulators" (I use that word advisedly) remain sympathetic to their point of view.

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    2. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would they? USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      And why? Because too many Americans don't give a shit because they lap up the "if you have nothing to hide" bullshit.

      "nothing to see here, move along"

    3. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It helps when they lobby, sorry bribe, the law makers to do exactly what they're told

    4. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      Why? Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      Don't forget, people are not citizens any more, corporations are citizens but people aren't. People are items with a value, there to be used.

    5. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lot of people would probably disagree with me on this, but while I've never bought a smartphone outright, I think I'd rather have unlocking be legal even if it meant the end of subsidized devices.

      No doubt the carriers would hate that too, though. I know they usually will, but does anyone know if a carrier is required to unlock a phone when you've lived out the associated contract term?

    6. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by blackest_k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Ireland the phone networks are legally obligated to unlock phones for free, although they are allowed to charge an administration fee (about 25 euro)

    7. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

      I propose an alternative. See sig.

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    8. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I noticed you say " consumer ". With laws like the DMCA, you are just that, and not a " customer ".

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    9. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by agoliveira · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Brazil the phones cannot be sold locked. If they are, for some reason, the seller is obligated to unlock it for free.

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    10. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the UK you can buy phones on contract unlocked, and usually cheaper too. If you buy directly from the phone company it might cost you £35/month and you get a locked phone. If you buy from an independent like the old fashioned sounding Carphone Warehouse or borderline illiterate Phones 4 U you get the same phone for £30/month and it will be unlocked.

      Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

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    11. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do not see an issue here.
      TFA states many exemptions such as currently unlocked phones you can purchase from many places, phones not under contract, second hand phones, etc.
      It isnt that big of a deal, and this isnt "jailbreaking", as some might think.

    12. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

      Americans haven't realized that any law affecting businesses or consumers is by definition the opposite of a free market. Somehow people scream bloody murder about the lack of a free market any time consumer protection laws are talked about, but corporate protectionism is seen as protecting the free market. It's a great double standard if you're a large corporation, not so good for anyone else.

      All copyright, patent, and trademark laws are anti free market. (and this cell phone unlocking bit is part of a copyright law) whether some form of IP protection is good is a different matter, but it is not in any way "free market"

    13. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations are people too. Sucks to be an American.

    14. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      We note your wording applies to US citizens in the US, and not visitors, residents, or others (see GITMO). Also, the measuring was done by US citizens who want a specific outcome. I moved out of the US to a place with more freedom. But I could see how someone from the US that wants to carry guns could think otherwise. For whatever reason, the arguement always comes down to guns, or the particular way the US chose to balance rights.

      You do realize no right is absolute, right? Other places officially recognize the right to privacy, one right you do not have in the US. And the balance between privacy and other rights makes a line where a liar from the US could arbitrarily assert that it proves the US is more free.

      One specific example is name suppression. An accused person can have their name suppressed (in certain circumstances) because an accusation alone often triggers punishment. So they are free to live their lives as an innocent person until proven guilty. But in the US, the mere accusation has caused trouble for many people, especially celebrities and other public figures. Shouldn't you have the freedom to be free from punishment until proven guilty? You don't get that freedom in the US, instead, you get the freedom of speech, where people can try and convict you in the public forum before the first evidence is brought against you.

      Which is more free? That's a matter of opinion, but every ignorant nationalistic myopic American is certain that freedom of speech overrides all else, especially when somewhere else may do it differently.

    15. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unlocking doesn't just apply to smart phones. It applies to most cell phones. They are "locked" (digitally preconfigured in a not-easy-to-modify-way) to use only one service. It locks you in to using only that service with that phone. If you are dissatisfied with your service, you can't take that phone to another service provider without first unlocking it.

      It's an anti-competitive practice that should be banned. You should be able to take any phone to any service provider that uses a compatible system and have them configure it to use their service.

      Of course, if you use a cheap phone, this kind of lock-in doesn't really provide much of a barrier to switching carriers, and may carriers give you a cheap phone when you sign up to use their service.

    16. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      Why? Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      Don't forget, people are not citizens any more, corporations are citizens but people aren't. People are items with a value, there to be used.

      This was presaged by corporate adoption of the term human resources to refer to what had previously been termed personnel. You are a resource, to be exploited like any other kind of resource.

    17. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Nexion · · Score: 2

      True, it is hard to see the issue. If you are out of contract it seems you are allowed to modify, but that only underscores how silly this all seems. Unlocking does not free you from your contractual obligation to the company who subsidized your phone. It seems carriers are somewhat agreeable to an unlock when you travel abroad. So in reality this is do little legislation that only really affects those who start a contract to get a cheap phone only to jump ship shortly after with no intention of ever making good on the contract. In the end you suddenly realize that it is likely just better to stop buying phones tied to a two year contract, or perhaps make that the phone be unlocked a stipulation of your entry into a new contract.

      Oh, and you might want to examine their contract and make sure it doesn't invalidate any verbal agreement made with them that you hopefully record with their knowledge. You then might want to tailor your verbal agreement to specifically override such measures of any later written contract that would render the written contract void if challenged. Not exactly sure how best to do this as I will just buy a phone outright and allow my carrier to interface my hardware/software. As for the former trick...

      Excuse me... is their a liar in the house... err, lawyer... I meant lawyer?

    18. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would they? USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      We just added to it. It is now "Land of the FREE LIMITED TIME OFFER!"

    19. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "We still have our guns."

      But only a teeny, tiny percentage of us actually are proficient with them. For the most part, if all those with guns came storming out into the streets in some kind of unified protest, there would be a not so insignificant number of 'friendly fire' victims before, during, and after any kind of meaningful action would actually take place.

    20. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We still have our guns.

      Have you ever seen a Bradley fighting vehicle? An M6 Linebacker? Do you really believe your guns offer you protection from the government? Remember, the person most likely to die from a civilian-owned gun is the owner, by a huge margin.

      There are lots of reasons to own guns. I own a gun. "Protection from the government" is not one of them. That is a talk-radio fantasy.

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    21. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is a big issue, because you buy the phone, you don't rent it.

      You also buy a home, but while it is still being financed, there are limits on what you can do with it. (For example, not carry full insurance)

      Spoken well an truly as someone who does not own their home. I do. I can assure you, there is a world of difference between renting and owning. Basically, the rules for owners are: 1) obey they law. Not a bunch of really stupid restrictions like "can't junk the ugly carpets". If you have issues with how you can insure your home, time to refinance to a less obnoxious bank. You'll make money on that anyway.

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    22. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by katarac · · Score: 2

      You did read the second part of his comment, right? Where he is clearly being ironic and is referring to corporations, not proper human beings? Good rant, though!

    23. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's say I get a free phone from Verizon. And then I decide that Sprint offers a better deal, so I just stop paying the Verizon bill. Verizon is still out the money for the phone. They're going to report me to the credit bureaus--oh, boo hoo! My credit is already shot!

      And that would be the end of any subsidized phones for you. So the system is self-correcting.

      And really is the number of people who would ruin their credit to get a $99 iPhone really so great that a law must be created to outlaw unlocking?

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    24. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by rohan972 · · Score: 2

      Americans haven't realized that any law affecting businesses or consumers is by definition the opposite of a free market.

      This is totally incorrect. Have you read Adam Smith's work? The free market he described did not exist in the absence of government. Without laws against the use of force and fraud there is no large scale free market, only anarchy. Without enforcement of contracts there is no free market. An efficient free market requires informed buyers, so consumer protection laws can be pro-free market, such as Australian law requiring ingredients of food products to be on the label. Trademark law allows you as a customer to know the reputation of who you are buying from, another pro-free market measure.

      The idea that a free market means no laws affecting businesses or customers at all is not found in "The Wealth of Nations" or any other seminal work on free market economics that I'm aware of.

    25. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by fnj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A small bunch of greatly outnumbered, pretty much untrained guys with AKs, RPGs, and IEDs have given (and still are giving) bloody hell to U.S. forces overseas, smart guy. The feds have to get out of those vehicles to make the people do, or stop doing, anything. It's all about commitment.

    26. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny I don't remember the 2nd giving you the right to bear RPGs and IEDs.

      1) Nor does it withhold the right. The simple fact is that it does not mention any particular types of "arms". The 2nd Amendment doesn't "give" anybody any rights. It prohibits the federal government from infringing on a right asserted to exist naturally. The distinction matters. The entire constitution is a document limiting what the federal government can do, not "allowing" citizens certain rights.

      2) Small arms fire will do quite nicely in the absence of RPGs and IEDs, if case you didn't notice. So far this year [Sep 2012] more than 50 coalition troops—most American—have been gunned down by Afghan police or soldiers, or nearly one out of every seven coalition fatalities. That is gunfire, not RPGs or IEDs. Rifle fire can penetrate a kevlar helmet, and not every part of the body (the face and the legs containing the femoral arteries, for example)

      3) If civil war breaks out, it won't matter much if ownership of weapons is infringed. The fighters will acquire weapons the same way insurgencies in Iraq, Afghanistan and countless other places have; the same way drug lords do. It is the attempted criminalization of law abiding citizens in a time of domestic peace which is offensive.

    27. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jpstanle · · Score: 2

      Except the phone is "paid off" the moment it is purchased. We all know two-year contracts are effectively installlment plans for $600 phones, but at the point of sale, I own the phone outright. There is nothing in the contract about an installment plan. There is no "carrier lien" on the phone. If they want to have that leverage, then they can explicitly finance phones with secured debt the way every other industry does it.

      And even in that case, there's not much leverage. I finance my truck, and the bank requires me to carry insurance and keep it legally roadworthy, but I am free to re-paint it, modify it, repair it, or smash it up with a sledge hammer "for that weathered look" if I feel like it.

  2. Paying more for locked device by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: "In the long run, you will likely end up paying more for your locked device than for an unlocked one." But how is this true even when the only carrier with coverage in your area doesn't give a discount on monthly service for bringing your own phone?

    1. Re:Paying more for locked device by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Likely does not mean certain in all cases. The trend toward providing unlocked phones at full price, instead of subsidized ones, will on average save people money. You can of course find a case where it doesn't. In theory having a free market will eventually level such differences, such as how T-Mobile has started unlocking more and focusing on monthly rate to seem competitive. Monopoly situations where there is only one carrier available do not operate as a free market.

    2. Re:Paying more for locked device by JC61990 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called pre-paid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators this is a list of every pre-paid carrier in the US, and what carrier they mooch off of. So if your so called "only" carrier in the area is on this list as an MVNO carrier, then you can take your unlocked phone to that provider and pay WAY WAY less than any on-contract carrier.

    3. Re:Paying more for locked device by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      "Almost impossible"? Not the majority yet, sure, but that's how a transition happens--with one competitor willing to offer a better deal. Not so long ago it did feel like zero of them. But we do have T-Mobile as the main carrier doing "value" bundles now. There's also reseller Straight Talk though, which piggybacks off AT&T too, and that's a TracFone Wireless / Walmar offering. You can't say something is that hard to find in the US when Walmart carries it. I've also bought from multiple pre-paid wireless services, where buying your phone outright and up-front was a requirement.

      Now, if your problem is that coverage of these alternatives isn't very good compared to Verizon, that I'd agree with. It's still a relatively new option, and it hasn't been around long enough to apply economic pressure to Verizon yet. At least it's an option at all now. I am renegotiating my T-Mobile contract with a fully owned phone in hand this upcoming month, and it wasn't that hard to reach this point.

  3. I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and I'll be unlocking them now that they've made it "illegal". I just don't fucking care what the United States government has to say about anything, anymore. They've lost all credibility in the eyes of most intelligent, thinking people.

    1. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Funny

      but Corporations are people too!

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    2. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by anagama · · Score: 2

      As an afterthought, it occurs to me that you'll be sharing jail time with:

      -- The guy who got caught smoking a joint in a national forest.
      -- The guy who raped his sister, gouged her eyes out with a spoon, fed them to his dog, and then bludgeoned her to death.

      You won't be spending any jail time with the guys who laundered money for Al Queda for a decade. Their punishment is that they will have to defer collecting a portion of their annual bonus for five years. I'll bet the deferred part doesn't even earn interest. The horror! (*)

      Anyway, of the following groups: phone unlockers, pot heads, murders, terrorist's financial planners -- 100% of those who should not be imprisoned will be, and only 50% of those that ought to be will be.

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  4. same network no contract price by raymorris · · Score: 2

    the phone subsidy is there to sell pricey contracts. If your don't want the subsidy, look at the network's no-contract affiliate.

  5. Because the firmware's copyright? by xaxa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA:

    Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
    Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

    I don't understand. If I buy a book, and make some edits (cross out some paragraphs, change some words) that's not illegal. Perhaps it would be if I distributed the book (or copies of it). Selling pens to make the edits isn't illegal either.

    How is changing firmware different?

    1. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

      Because code is different by law. If you don't like it, get it changed.

      And don't think book publishers are not trying to do that "not sold, only licensed" shit as well.

    2. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, my question is answered in the next part of the article:

      Furthermore, new court decisions have changed the interpretation of the law. In 2010, the Ninth Circuit court decided in Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc that we cell phone owners do not actually “own” the software running our phones. Instead, we are only “licensing” this software – a key difference – which means that we don’t have a right to alter that software. This also played a role in the Librarian’s decision.

    3. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is changing firmware different?

      Because it's digital, and common sense has been thrown out for digital goods.

      You see, copyright used to come into play when you copied something. As long as you only used it, it didn't matter. The book you bought, you could do with as you pleased, read or not, write comments into the margins, rip out pages and re-arrange them in an order you prefer, whatever.

      Only when you made copies of your Romeo & Juliet where the death scene is at the beginning and the rest follows with the word "Zombie" inserted here and there would you be in violation of copyright (well, not really due to that one having expired, but you get the point).

      You'd assume it would be the same for a digital book, but it's not. Someone who should be in an asylum instead of a court room decided that in order to read a digital, you have to load it from storage into memory, which is making a copy and thus copyright applies which means the author can dictate terms.

      That's why you don't own the firmware, and you don't even own the copy of the firmware on your phone, but if the manufacturer were to, say, distribute the firmware as a print copy the way very very early computer magazines once included software you could transcribe into your computer, then you could do whatever you want with the paper copy, including changing it.

      If you think that's crazy, conf. "asylum" above.

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    4. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Cinder6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
      Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

      IANAL, but I'm confused. I thought the "point" of the DMCA was to crack down on copyright violations. Code modification would be a DMCA violation if it allowed you to violate copyright, such as bypassing DRM.

      "Changing" the copyrighted carrier code doesn't seem to violate copyright, as I understand it, as you are not under legal obligation to use a particular carrier (there's even a clause that allows you to break contract, for a price). Also, what "changes" does the unlocking process commit? If it's simply code removal, then, simply uninstalling a game from your computer is a DMCA violation by extension.

      Of course, I'm trying to make sense of something that is inherently illogical. Why is this a DMCA violation, and modding Skyrim isn't? Or is modding Skyrim a violation, and Bethesda simply allows it?

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    5. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by bicho · · Score: 2

      But flashing a memory is not altering the software, it's altering the memory, isn't it? The contents of the memory is not the original software any more.

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    6. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The crazy thing is who easily that passes, with that logic start thinking about how much of your "belongings" really aren't. You don't own your car, TV, stove, refrigerator, freezer, dish washer, washing machine and so on as I can guarantee they have micro-controllers with copyrighted software on them. The US has become the world leaders in hollowing out private ownership, not because it's really owned by the state like in communism but because it's really owned by the corporations, you just have a limited use license. Don't you dare tamper with that washing machine or the DMCA will come get you.

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    7. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Dzimas · · Score: 2

      I unlocked several phones recently by entering a code generated by a carrier unlocking program. It was essentially a password generated by algorithm. NO code modification was required, and the unlocking process is coded into the original firmware. This is not rooting your phone. Nor is it rocket surgery.

  6. compatibility issues? by metalmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlocking devices isn't as relevant in the US as it is in other parts of the world. The big 4 in the US all use different technologies to provide service, so taking a device from carrier a to carrier b doesn't make sense in terms of being useful. Of course there is always the argument of "it's my device let me do what i please" and I agree more with that, but those people should pony up the full retail value of the product. If you buy a phone that is carrier subsidized you're essentially financing the phone over 2 years.

    If the carriers want to move to an unsubsidized model they should give consumers an incentive to pay upfront costs. T-Mobile's "value plan" is a good example. The customer buy's the device at a discount and pays an additional fee of $20 until the device's retail value is paid off. The plan then becomes $20 cheaper. If carrier's want a BYOD to work they need to offer cheaper rates.

    The carriers can offer their retail salespeople a rate plan of $20 at the cost of BYOD. Why can't they do this for consumers? The plan's dont even have to be that cheap, but a $40-50 plan is not out of the realm of possibility. When I worked retail I bought my own Galaxy S3 and paid $25 for my plan. For an upfront cost of ~$520 I saved about $1800 over the cost of a 2-year consumer rate plan

  7. Do the right thing, unlock it. by bcdonadio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a USA citizen, but as a Brazilian (country which all kinds of operator locking were ruled *illegal* a few years ago), I seriously recommend you guys to unlock your phones, being it legal or not, you needing it or not. It's a simple matter of having your rights respected.

  8. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

    The DCMA problem is in the part that you cannot flash, O Mighty Open Sourcerer.

    You do realize that you don't normally flash the phony bits right? That's why the Nexus on Verizon had issues being upgraded, etc etc.

  9. Not viable by xenobyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The locked subsidized phone model is not viable, at least not here in Denmark.

    A year or so ago all the major carriers here agreed that they would stop the subsidizing and thus the locking of new phones. The value of the phone simply did not match how much the forced subscription (6 months) would yield and as many customers simply switched phone and carrier every 6 months, they consistently lost money.

    So now you either pay the full price for the new phone or in installments on your phone bill. If you end your subscription after the first 6 months but before the phone was paid for, you had to pay the remainder in order to end the contract. Simple and avoids the creation of stupid laws to fix a broken business model.

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  10. Re: What You Need To Know About Phone Unlocking by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    "Keep your mouth shut and never rat on your friends."

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  11. Is it legal to destroy said phone? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If so, there is an intermediate stage between 'intact' and 'destroyed'.

  12. This only applies to newly purchased phones by ghack · · Score: 2

    My understanding is that this only applies to newly purchased phones, starting today, 1/27.

    Any phone purchased on 1/26 or before can still be legally unlocked.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  13. I could be wrong but ... by troll+-1 · · Score: 2

    It seems like Verizon and AT&T spend millions that they collect from their monopoly of the spectrum and give it to politicians to who then make laws in their favor. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=B08&year=a

    The government sales of the free spectrum to the highest bidder is one of the biggest scams ever. Carrier-less mesh networking technology has been a viable alternative for a long time ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking ) but the government persists in licensing the most useful spectrum frequencies to the highest bidder for billions of dollars ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=about_auctions ) while restricting the unlicensed spectrum like 802.11 to limited frequencies with severe power restrictions.

  14. Re:Abroad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think your gender during the unlock process matters.

  15. Re:issue ? by green1 · · Score: 2

    The biggest problem is that there are no carriers that allow you to bring your own phone without paying the subsidy (Ok, in the USA there is one carrier that does, but the others don't, and where I live there are none). So I can take the "free" phone from the carrier and pay the subsidy every month to cover it's cost, or I can pay full price for a phone, and still pay the subsidy every month as if I had taken the "free" phone. There is no third choice. As a result, there's no reason to ever buy a full price phone. Additionally, because of this, there are extremely few places that even have unlocked phones to sell you, the iPhone being the only one I can think of, all other phones are sold only by the carriers or their authorized retailers, so even if you pay full price and buy the phone outright, it still comes locked to that carrier.

    The other question is, why is this even relevant? if I break my contract, I pay a termination fee, so they get the money back anyway. you can't jsut walk away from your 3yr contract as soon as they give you the free phone, you have to pay it out. This all belongs in contract law, not copyright law.

  16. some of their homework is wrong... by jlv · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Verizon sells all iPhone 5s unlocked, meaning you could take your device over to AT&T or T-Mobile without having to unlock the device."

    You could take your Verizon CDMA iPhone over to AT&T or T-Mobile, but you won't ever get it to work on their networks.

    1. Re:some of their homework is wrong... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

      From the 4s on, the phone is universal. All versions of the phone have both GSM and CDMA radios.

  17. Anti-competitive and pointless by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I'd rather have unlocking be legal even if it meant the end of subsidized devices.

    Why would it mean the end of subsidized devices? You've signed a multi-year contract with the company to get the subsidized device so why should they care whose network you use it on - you will still be paying them their pound of flesh to use their network regardless of whichever other network you sign up for.

    In fact it is very probably to their benefit for you to use another network since then they'll get the money and someone else will get the network traffic to deal with! The only possible benefit is that it lets them make huge profits on roaming but for the US only less than 40% (assuming a 300M population) of the US even have a passport so an even smaller fraction will travel abroad in any given year. In fact it probably is this which is driving it - in the EU, which has controlled roaming charges, unlocking a phone seems to be far more common (at least that's my impression without hard evidence to back it up).

    1. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      His whole point is that he is still under contract, so there's still no way to get out of those monthly payments.

  18. This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    "A 16GB unlocked iPhone 5, for instance, will cost you $650. Buy the same phone through AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon, and you’ll pay just $200 thanks to carrier subsidies – but you also have to agree to a two-year contract. In the long run, you will likely end up paying more for your locked device than for an unlocked one."

    Yeah... that would be true if you bought an unlocked phone and then just threw it in a drawer without using it. If you actually sign up for a voice and data plan in both cases how is paying an extra $450 going to save you money? (especially the way so many people upgrade their phone every few years).