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FCC Proposal Would Cover the US With Public Wi-Fi

pigrabbitbear writes "Internet access is an essential need on par with education access, but at what point do regulators recognize that? When will government officials acknowledge that widespread, guaranteed access is essential to fostering growth in the country? Somewhat surprisingly, that time is now, as the FCC is now calling for nationwide free wi-fi networks to be opened up to the public. The FCC proposes buying back spectrum from TV stations that would allow for what the Washington Post is dubbing 'super wi-fi,' as the commission wants to cover the country with wide-ranging, highly-penetrative networks. Essentially, you can imagine the proposal as covering a majority of the country with open-access data networks, similar to cell networks now, that your car, tablet, or even phone could connect to. That means no one is ever disconnected, and some folks – especially light users and the poor – could likely ditch regular Internet and cell plans altogether."

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  1. Cue the by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lobby "contributions" from Sprint, AT&T Tmobile, Comcast, Time Warner... The war chests of our representatives and senators will overflow with joy
    if they defeat this.

    1. Re:Cue the by Stirling+Newberry · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'm shocked, shocked.

      Did I tell you how shocked I am? Really, I'm so shocked.

    2. Re:Cue the by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wait...wait...wait...

      The basic premise starting this article:

      ""Internet access is an essential need on par with education access..."

      Internet access is on par with educational access? Seriously?

      While I will concede it IS important, it is helpful, and makes many things convenient these days...I seriously can't put up there with education. Internet access, while really cool and fun, is still in the category of luxury item. You can get by just fine without it. You won't starve, you won't go into convulsions, you won't die without it.

      If you really need it, and can't afford the luxury of having it run into your very own home, you can always go to the public library to use it there (ok, so looking at pr0n there might be a bit more inconvenient than in the privacy of one's own home).

      I mean, widespread use and access of the internet (more specifically for most people the web portion of it) is a fairly recent thing. People still can get by just fine without it.

      I mean..what's next...claiming internet access is a basic human right?

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    3. Re:Cue the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can get by just fine without it. You won't starve, you won't go into convulsions, you won't die without it.

      [...]
      If you really need it, and can't afford the luxury of having it run into your very own home, you can always go to the public library to use it there

      I fail to see how this differs from education.

    4. Re:Cue the by Dins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Internet access and educational access are quickly becoming the same thing. I have a 15 year old son. Of course he's good with computers and the internet (he's my son after all) but I'm amazed at what his high school coursework requires now. It all but assumes he has constant access to the internet. Hell he even uses his iPod on the school's wifi network for classwork in class.

      Of course we have good access at home, but if a kid didn't it would be a huge handicap. Yes, they can go to school computer labs and the library, etc., but even that access is dwindling now that some schools all but assume a good computer and internet access at home. His school is a very good school, but all schools will follow suit eventually.

    5. Re:Cue the by Talderas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Me too. Someone on slashdot used 'cue' properly.

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    6. Re:Cue the by Synerg1y · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tell that to all the people that are employed because they self-taught themselves something using the internet. And yes you can go to the public library, plenty of people do, but the public library isn't always open & one isn't always available depending where you live. And based on your statements, people can get by "just fine" without education, it has nothing to do whatsoever with food, air, & water, but it's definitely a nice to have in that sense, so is the internet.

    7. Re:Cue the by jimmy_dean · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Not only is it a luxury item that is important, but it's too important for the government to control. Can you imagine the security implications and headaches a network like this would have? There are so many technical, economic and legal unintended consequences to this, it's not even funny. If the government might do anything (and even here I'm skeptical), they should help make sure that the current private means of getting on the 'net remain competitive and sooner than later, cheap Internet in many different forms will be ubiquitous without the unintended consequences that only a government can create.

      I predict this will also be a new avenue for the US federal government to regulate the Internet into oblivion. This is a setup for a massive new power grab.

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    8. Re:Cue the by radiumsoup · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the Sausage Master is right. Single provider = single point of control, and that's not a good thing. Competition (and by that, I mean *real* competition, none of this "we'll create health care exchanges that cut off private companies at the knees so the only thing left is the government option" bullshit) breeds innovation and lower costs. Best thing the government could do for truly stimulating competition for low cost internet (not free internet, mind you, as that's a red herring) would be to sponsor some sort of X-Prize style competition to design and implement some regional or multi-state test platform for a currently underserved area, like the Midwest or parts of the South. Hell, the government doesn't even really need to do this - it could be sponsored by the Bill Gates foundation or something similar. I'm not an infrastructure guy, so I'm sure there are caveats that would need to be spelled out in advance, but having the FCC in charge would make something as stupid as the Janet Jackson Nipplegate thing seem like the most worthwhile undertaking ever.

    9. Re:Cue the by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately that someone doesn't have a clue on how to use the title vs the body of his comment.

    10. Re:Cue the by mdielmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only is it a luxury item that is important, but it's too important for the government to control.

      So, more important than roads, making sure drugs are safe for their intended use, and the protection of the sovereignty of your nation. Gotcha.

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    11. Re:Cue the by Sporkinum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "But you also could have mentioned that government managed public wifi will once again demonstrate the Tragedy of the Commons [wikipedia.org] as it slips inevitably into a cesspool of hackers, over-saturated bandwidth, government monitoring, censorship, and the never ending cries of "won't somebody please think of the children"

      This is exactly what I was thinking. Free WiFi sounds great, but in practice it would most likely end up like this comment.

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    12. Re:Cue the by taz346 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, as when the U.S. government "failed" by financing and building the Tennessee Valley Authority in the 1930s to bring cheap electricity to rural areas throughout the southern U.S. that were poorly served or completely unserved by the private utilities of the day. That's just one example of government stepping in to do what private companies only interested in short-term profits would never do. Today people in many countries enjoy better, more widespread, far cheaper Internet and Wifi access than the U.S., where most people have, at best, a choice of two monopolistic carriers only interested in squeezing higher and higher profits out of their customers. That's why, even in areas where U.S. citizens do have access to broadband and Wifi, it's way slower than many countries in Europe and Asia, costs far more, and is falling further and further behind. The private market is failing U.S. consumers.

  2. Comes with Free SOPA/CISPA Style monitoring too! by ClassicASP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You get what you pay for

  3. Just like a public library by junkfish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Internet Access should be like Library Access.

    It is a little different because it is for knowledge, commerce, and entertainmnet.
    But it seems like a gevernment service that should provide for a populace to thrive.

    1. Re:Just like a public library by wolfemi1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Internet Access should be like Library Access.

      It is a little different because it is for knowledge, commerce, and entertainmnet.

      Why does that make it different? The library is also for knowledge, commerce (though less so), and entertainment.

    2. Re:Just like a public library by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who buys it when there's so much out there that's free?

    3. Re:Just like a public library by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you been to a library? They don't card you when you walk in the door, only if/when you want to leave with some of their property for free.

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  4. Buy back? Didn't we just do that w/ Analog? by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't the intention of getting that spectrum which was used for analog TV to use it for such things? If it isn't suitable for such, why the change? If the new digital TV spectrum was suited for this, why was it sold?

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    1. Re:Buy back? Didn't we just do that w/ Analog? by radiumsoup · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it's not sold, it's licensed, and the Federal government already manages the spectrum, in exactly the way you probably think they should. The term "buyback" would apply to existing licenses which have not yet expired. Its current use is contested because a large number of spectrum users never actually paid for the portion they've licensed out to begin with, so to have the government pay those licensees to abandon the license is a hotly debated topic.

      But to pull the plug on licensees without giving them a viable alternative is highly disruptive to commerce. If hardware already exists which was designed for a certain band, and that band is suddenly pulled because of some bureaucrat's hardon for "free" wifi, then the infrastructure that is already in place would become useless without modification. The "buyback" funds are a way to encourage the infrastructure owners to go along with the relicensing; they would have the funds provided to convert or update the infrastructure to adapt to the spectrum change. Again, it might not be the best way to go about doing things, but it doesn't mean that pulling the rug out from under everyone is any better.

  5. Nice idea, but... by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many municipalities have been sued into oblivion by incumbents who cried "unfair competition"?

  6. Source? by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's the source? Its a /. post of a journalist story about a journalist story about a journalist story then I gave up trying to track back.

    I poked around fcc.gov and found almost nothing, so its either really old, really new, or really made up / out of context / unofficial daydream.

    I'm an old time reader of FCC part 97 (and others!) so don't try to scare me off with "we need non-technical journalists to translate into prole-speak" I'm quite sure I could handle the primary source... if it actually exists.

    Another thing is it won't be wifi although journalists confuse any wireless internet access with wifi. Lets say you get UHF tv channel 46 vacated and reassigned. That doesn't mean a magic firmware download, even to a SDR, will necessarily magically start working in that 662-668 MHz channel.

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    1. Re:Source? by foobsr · · Score: 4, Informative
      Quote: "The five-member FCC panel has yet to vote on the proposal. Mashable (http://mashable.com/2013/02/04/public-wifi-networks/) has reached out to the FCC for comment and will update this post with any response."

      CC.

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  7. Essential need? by stevegee58 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the only essential needs were food, water and shelter.

  8. Methinks . . . by bogidu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My takehome pay just decreased again.

    1. Re:Methinks . . . by asylumx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather pay my $60/mo to the gov't than to Comcast, assuming I get a similar service in return.

    2. Re:Methinks . . . by ozydingo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, don't assume the government has your best interests at heart (they don't), and second assume everything you do will be fully and completely monitored without the slightest expectation of privacy.

      Yep, sounds like similar service to me

  9. Conservatives will hate this. by sidragon.net · · Score: 3, Funny

    The government has no business spending on infrastructure. Roads, bridges, telephones, police, fire fighters, and democracy have all been bad enough for our great nation!

  10. Uh No by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't want the Federal Government running some general public access internet. Very Bad Idea.

    I do want the FCC to open up existing infrastructure to alternative carriers. The current plan which allows carriers to exclude competitors is very bad.

    I do want the FCC to make available bandwidth to more carriers, and to open up more bandwidth to WiFi.

    I do want Congress to pass a law banning cable franchises by local and state governments.

    I do want laws specifically enabling municipal internet utilities, especially on this new bandwidth.

  11. Re:Comes with Free SOPA/CISPA Style monitoring too by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tor won't protect you from identity theft, that's what encryption is for. Tor without encryption just tells MORE people what you are doing.

  12. As needs be... by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought the only essential needs were food, water and shelter.

    That's true, along with air and sleep*.

    Also, needs are defined in different ways depending on circumstance, with no consensus. Certainly food is a need, but is sunshine? We get vitamin D from sunshine, and diet can't make up for lack. Sex is a biological imperative, but can at any time be put off until later.

    Needs also form a sort of "hierarchy", where once you are satisfied at a certain level, adding more at that level will gain you nothing. A company can't raise morale by making the bathroom even cleaner than it is - once the bathroom is "clean enough", extra work makes no appreciable difference. Once you have enough to eat, having more doesn't make you happier.

    "Safety" is also a need, and depending on the school of thought it comes before or after food and water.

    Once you have several layers of needs met, you reach the layer of "self actualization", which is loosely "the need to accomplish something".

    That's what this proposal addresses - the need for people to better themselves, and to do something useful with their time.

    This proposal is a good idea in many ways - ethically, economically, technically, environmentally. There's no down-side that I can see.

    To take one example (economics), new businesses arise from innovation built on infrastructure. This type of infrastructure will foster an enormous boon in productivity, business, employment, and general well-being of people in the country.

    In the same manner that the Interstate Highway System fostered economic progress by giving companies easy access to cheap product delivery.

    This is exactly the type of project that centralized government should be doing - it promotes growth, increased productivity, jobs, and general welfare. It's of benefit to the people, and not pork directed to specific selected companies.

    *I hope this doesn't read as snarky - that's not my intent.