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Racism In Online Ad Targeting
An anonymous reader writes "Most of us are familiar with advertisements in online web searching, and by now we've grown accustomed to scrolling past the 'sponsored' results to get to the real responses to our query. And we know the ads are context-sensitive; for example, searching for our favorite Federation Starship will bring up ads for a similarly-named car-rental agency. But now a Harvard University professor has found a more disturbing trend in those contextual ads: racism. 'Sweeney says she has evidence that black identifying names are up to 25 per cent more likely to be served with an arrest-related ad. "There is discrimination in delivery of these ads," she concludes. Sweeney gathered this evidence by collecting over 2000 names that were suggestive of race. For example, first names such as Trevon, Lakisha and Darnell suggest the owner is black while names like Laurie, Brendan and Katie suggest the owner is white. She then entered these plus surnames into Google.com and Reuters.com and examined the ads they returned. Most names generated ads for public records. However, black-identifying names turned out to be much more likely than white-identifying names to generate ads that including the word "arrest" (60 per cent versus 48 per cent).'"
Now we can all rest easy knowing that Harvard Law Processors have nothing better to do than look thru ads on google.
not an effect. Making use of stats is not racism. Racism is denying the fact that many blacks in the US have been disadvantaged and largely as a result are more likely to commit crimes and get arrested. Pretending the numbers don't exist is horrible.
But does anyone know what the most popular names associated with arrest rates happen to be? Maybe there's actual correlation there?
And I'm not saying that's correct either, since there is likely strong racial bias in many arrests made by officers themselves...
Don't these twits know the ads are driven by heuristics based on who clicks on them?
But that wouldn't make a good headline, would it?
And, on average, someone black in America is more likely to be arrested. Providing the right service to the right person, isn't that what targeted ads are about?
Eh?
Where people don't really understand what real racism actually is anymore.
Which I guess is a good thing? But, it makes people that try to bend anything to be racism as complete fools.
Whoever greenlighted this story has no clue what "racism" means. Statistics =/= racism. These ads do not draw any conclusions about individuals, nor do they assume anything about an individual's intelligence/criminal record/anything else. They simply apply race-neutral algorithms that come up with certain results about what is MORE LIKELY to be true about an individual. Is it racist for advertisers to target BET viewers with commercials for black dating websites, historically black colleges, etc., based on the probability that they are interested in those things? Didn't think so.
It's not racism if the ads were being generated purely on statistical models. It may be a sad reflection of the state of African-Americans, but unless you can show how people have manipulated the process for some reason, it's merely statistics.
It's not racists... it's targeted based on stats...
1/3 of 18-25 black males are in the system..., jail, probation, parole, etc.
Perhaps those arrests tend to happen more often to those of the black race? (especially in America)
Possible Racism still, but not the fault of any advertisers.
And note the possible, since it could be entirely down to the fact that it might actually be black people who are generally causing more crime rather than some sort of targeting bias by police officers, that is often joked about in many shows all over the place.
Probably because there are more arrest records with those names.
Take that as you will.
I am so sick of stuff like this. Admitting and recognizing that there are real statistical correlations between certain races and certain behaviors within particular regions does not make one racist. If there are real correlations for things like this, nothing is gained by pretending they don't exist. Racism is about making unfair assumptions about people, not about recognizing real, cultural differences, as nasty and taboo as they might be.
If we ever want to truly tackle racism, we need to first stop unfairly accusing people and computer algorithms of being racist. This kind of accusatory crap only makes the problem worse.
If these keywords weren't generating revenue for the ad buyers they wouldn't bid on them. It's really that simple. Those names make money for marketers with those ads.
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This isn't racism; it is namism. Nowhere in the process is race ever part of the equation. If people named "Shaquille" are 5x more like to commit crimes, then that is a stereotype of the name "Shaquille"...a namist conclusion.
Our facination or eagerness to link things to skin color is really counterproductive and ignores the real issue. IMO, names bring about stereotypes moreso than skin color. It spans gender, language, and race. What would you think the first time you saw someone with the last name "Hitler"?
Latanya Sweeney needs to stop googling herself and get a real job. The line between probability/correlation and socially acceptable is wide and blurry.
...that the ad software generated ads that included the word "mayonnaise" 68% vs. 26% for names identified as "white."
Obvious racism is obvious.
I haven't RTFA'd because my knee-jerk reaction applies here somewhere. "Racism in Online Ad Targeting" is either a completely stupid conclusion or yet another completely stupid slashdot headline that is going to make me just that much closer to never visiting this site again.
Are you out looking for racism because ads target "black-sounding" names ... with ads about being arrested? How about this: deal with the issue of blacks getting disproportionately arrested (here in the U.S.) and this "online racism" issue suddenly disappears. It's an Xmas fucking miracle!
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Next they'll blame the ad networks of racism if advertisements for Hajj, Ramadan or halal are served when you search with name Mohammed. For some strange reason, it must be bad and evil. At least they should put minimum quotas of "arrest" advertisements for people suspected to be caucasian. It's so hard to be uptight and politically correct and not end up looking like an idiot.
Well, it makes sense that arrest-related ads would accompany names like Tyrell or Darnell than names like Jacob or Joshua. The reasoning is clear - roughly 2% of the African-American population is incarcerated. That is twice the number of Latinos, and over 7 times percentage of whites. (http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html) When a bail bondsman takes out an ad, algorithms will attempt to place that ad in front of someone most likely to click on the ad. Names are words, and thus subject heuristics rules. If it's racist, blame the previous people who Google searched for Tyrese, then clicked the defense attorney link.
Pick a subject, any subject, the reality of that subject is politically incorrect to someone, somewhere. You are politically incorrect to your ancestors just as your descendants will condemn you for being politically incorrect. I say this and it doesn't matter who you, what your culture is, where you live, your religion (or lack of religion) what your values are, what your accomplishments are or any other given thing. History is politically incorrect and it will remain that way because that is human nature.l
Articles like this are rage mongering and professional trolling deserve to admonished. A little more tolerance by society would go a lot longer to ease race / religious / gender / etc relations that mongering articles like this ever will. It's why MLK was so popular and the like's of Jessie Jackson can never get past 3rd rate achievers. It's the difference between trolling for dollars and dreaming of tolerance.
It's called statistics, correlation, or sometimes just "REALITY".
I doubt anyone in Google sat down and gamed the engine results to make a particular person look bad - the data is what the data is.
Targeted ads are by definition discriminating.
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I thought identifying names with race was racist.
Now that even university professors do it, I'm going to add all these names to my new racebias ad targeting filter.
If there is such racism, it's directed at who you're searching *for*, and the advertisers are making a big, unwarranted assumption if they assume that the names you search have anything to do with who you are. While the skew is interesting in the ad results, the same flaw apparently exists in the analysis in this article. There's no guarantee those names have anything to do with the "owner", so if the advertisers are doing it, they're dumb.
Hell, I may search for the name "K'Breel". If the advertiser foolishly serves up ads for gelsac polish, they're going to be sadly disappointed to learn I'm not Martian. Ad profiling is pretty inaccurate most of the time. And "up to 25%" bias? Doesn't seem all that strong anyway. I'm not even sure that's significant without some details of the sampling procedure.
isn't it racist to give them to your kids?
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This is not "racism". Racism is a belief that one race is superior to another and/or a hatred or intolerance of another race.
At most, this is prejudice.
This is futile. If black identifying names are 25% more related to arrest then that is what they'll get in the ads. There is no racism there. We are trying to hide the truth by fear that we might seem racist.
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To back up a false assumption that I had that the prison population in the US was heavily skewed towards black and minority inmates, which I can only presume came from things I've previously read, heard and perhaps (though I like to think I am not racist in any way, especially given that my mother and her ancestors are Burmese and came to the UK only in the 40's) a from an inherent racial bias I too have.
I am pleasantly surprised to find that actually this is untrue. Whilst there is a slight tendency for male prisoners to be black, in the female prison population this is reversed and white female prisoners outnumber black.
Additionally (and I admit that I haven't read all the research paper), but given that Google also targets ads by location does anyone know how they catered for that in the study and didn't just make all the requests from the university campus? I'd be curious if this type of ad targeting occurred in a place where the prison statistics showed a large white majority committing crime.
Furthermore, it seems that some of the complaints about the adverts are not that they are just about arrests etc. but actually that they are about arrests and that they are for scam websites. I think this muddies the conclusions a little.
From TFA: "A more insidious explanation is that society as a whole is to blame. If Googleâ(TM)s Adsense service learns which ad combinations are more effective, it would first serve the arrest-related ads to all names at random. But this would change if it were to discover that click-throughs are more likely when these ads are served against a black-identifying name. In other words, the results merely reflect the discriminatory pattern of clicks from ordinary people."
Um... no. If "black sounding" names are discovered to be more likely to click through 'arrest ads', that's not the result of discrimination by "white sounding" clicks. No matter what I (with a "white sounding" name") click on, I can't make or influence a "black sounding" name to click on an 'arrest ad'. Self selection via clicks (sad as it is, and unquestionably driven by discrimination elsewhere in society) is not discrimination via clicks.
Did Google set ad-targeting to go after 'black names' or, for instance, the most-common names drawn from an arrest-interested database?
Rather than "raising questions as to whether Google's technology exposes racial bias", this raises the question why Latanya Sweeney is on the Harvard payroll.
It all depends on the interpretation. What does actually exist is nothing more than objective demographics, based on algorithms that even a dumb computer could implement, yet some will insist on calling it "racism."
In all likelihood, this woman is the beneficiary of racist policy, although some will insist on calling it "affirmative action."
However, I have a keen proficiency when it comes to grasping the obvious. Black people make better running backs than white people. Asian's named Nguyen are more likely than white's named Cletus to get academic scholarships. At a Bar, an Hispanic male in his 20's is a much better percentage bet for party favors than a 50-something white woman. Should I be offended that Google singles me out for testosterone supplements?
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This Harvard professor is assuming that people are being racist purposefully through adsense when she no real evidence to prove it.
I don't see any numbers to prove whether her percentages are even statistically significant or not.
Even if her results are correct, anyone even remotely familiar with google adsense would come to the more likely conclusion that the content of web pages reflect that people with those names are more likely to have been arrested. Almost all of the keyword combinations people use in adsense are ones recommended by adsense based on a few seeded keywords and adsense generates those recommendations automatically based on the content of the internet.
It's mustn't be easy being Green.
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so what? statistically, minorities commit the most crimes, so this is the correct move on the advertisers' parts. their goal is to deliver relevant ads. nothing racist about that.
does the unfair system put minorities at a disadvantage, leading to more crime? definitely. that's not relevant to this story though.
I think the study itself is totally racist. How dare they assume that just because someone's name is Lakisha or Darnell, they're black?
Yes, its stats. That's not the point. The study illustrates the racism that is endemic in society. Not just the U.S., but in every human society.
When a business targets African-Americans by buying names associated with African-Americans, that's textbook racism. Why? Because it's making assumptions about individuals based on their membership in a group.
Ditto the self-serving argument that "Racism is denying the fact that many blacks in the US have been disadvantaged and largely as a result are more likely to commit crimes and get arrested". Applying perceived generalizations about a group to individuals you do not know is textbook racism.
Racism wasn't some passing phase of American history.
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Or connecting the dots?
What's next? Serving up maxi-pad ads to female names?
I'm calling my congressperson.
They reflect searched content as written and only show the inherent racism of content generated across the web.
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"Racism" means "white people simply wanting to decide FOR THEMSELVES, who they live with, rather than the government doing it for them"...
Oh, the humanity! What would happen if white people were 'allowed' to CHOOSE who they lived with? 99% of them would live in ALL WHITE COUNTRIES, as every cretin here knows.
Otherwise, why aren't you moving to Haiti or Liberia tomorrow, since you apparently believe "We're all the same"? What's wrong with Haiti? Not enough WHITE people there for you?
...non-Blacks start naming their kids Sharikia, Boonqueesha, LaTonya, etc. on a regular basis, and I might start taking your indignation seriously
Black Americans represent 28.0% of arrests, and 12.6% of the population, which works out to 2.2 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans. This ratio is higher for murder and robbery. Thus it is perfectly normal that black identifying names correlate better with arrest records.
No bias here. If I was one of this guy's students, I'll ask my money back.
If they detect that you are a woman, a much higher percentage of tampons ads appear. Simply insulting! If they detect that you are old (by having a name like Grover, for example) they will bomb you with ads for nursery homes. There is no end to it! It's almost like if they were targeting the ads to what their databases say your interests will be. They should call it targeted advertising then!
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Also note that the three "black" names are 2 male, 1 female, while the "white" names are 1 male, 2 female. Presumably these results could be considered sexist just as well as they could be considered racist.
Advertisers pay lots of money to Google and have control over which keywords are targeted.
If the particular names ( keywords) were not profitable, they would soon drop them. If they get a better response when targeting "Tyrone" instead of "Robert", then they are more likely to target that keyword. I doubt if they care whether the potential customer is black, white or purple. All they want is a positive ROI on their advertising.
Our company spends thousands of dollars on Google advertising every month. If a keyword is profitable, we keep using it. If it's a dud, we drop it. It's that simple.
The article appears to have wriiten by an academic with an agenda and very little real world business experience.
Google saves your searches and then customizes ads based on what YOU search. The only logical conclusion one can make is that black people in the U.S. are 25% more likely to search items related to criminal activities and their name has nothing to do with the results served.
So, no one would see a problem with advertising for employment towards women being skewed to promote jobs as teachers and secretaries while reducing job advertisements for managers and doctors?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
So, the TLDR is you're saying all moms should name their kids with white names, because that apparently magically makes the kids turn out to not be criminals?
More like:
Parents should be aware of the perception others will have if you name your kid such-and-such. If you live in a strongly anti-Semitic country, naming your kid Abraham or Ester will force them to live in an environment where people see their names and subtly or overtly discriminate against them. If you live in a society that diminishes the value of women, you may want to give your daughter a gender-neutral name like Chris to reduce the amount of discrimination she faces.
It's sad but true that there is still some anti-Black racial discrimination in the United States. For this reason, anyone who gives their kid a "Black-sounding" name needs to be aware of this. Some parents may deliberately do this in order to provide "teachable moments" for both their own children and people who interact with their kids.
In any case, the whole thing will probably be moot with respect to "Black" names in 100 years, just as it is pretty much moot for names that, 100 years ago, were associated with groups like Irish, Hungarian, Polish, and other European countries that were considered "inferior" to the "Anglo-Saxon" groups that dominated society at the time.
Bottom line:
Name your kid whatever you want, just be aware of the the prejudices that still exist in society and that the name you give your child may influence how much discrimination he or she faces.
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Which, if you read the list of what it can do for you as an end user of the resulting output it produces listed in the link above, you'll understand how/why...
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Especially vs. competing alternate 'solutions', noted below in AdBlock/Ghostery & yes even DNS servers, next, as 'examples thereof'...
Solutions that used to be good & I even recommended them in security guides I wrote up over the decades now -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Submit&gbv=1&sei=ka3yUKzxB-6_0QHLroCQCA
That did extremely well for myself (and users of them), for Windows users, for "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" purposes - the BEST THING WE HAVE GOING vs. threats of all kinds, currently!
(Not anymore though, & certainly NOT far as AdBlock's concerned especially, not after this):
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Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option:
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(Meaning by default, which MOST USERS WON'T CHANGE, it doesn't block ALL ads - they "souled-out"... talk about "foxes guarding the henhouse")!
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Plus, Adblock CAN'T DO AS MUCH & not from a single file solution that runs in Ring 0/RPL 0/kernelmode via tcpip.sys, a driver (since it's part of the IP stack & tightly integrated into it) which is far, Far, FAR FASTER than ring 3/rpl 3/usermode apps like browsers, & addons slow them down (known issue in FireFox).
To wit, 10++ things AdBlock can't do, hosts can:
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3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping
4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products (browser & email), hosts work on ANY webbound app AND are multiplatform.
5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)
6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)
8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)
9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)
10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).
& more... as a tiny 'sampling' & proofs thereof!
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Same with Ghostery:
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They were originally named Better Advertising, Inc., but changed their name for obvious PR reasons.
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Take a group of kids that have about the same intellect.
Tell half of them they are more stupid than the other half. Give them the same assignments but not the same expectations - tell the "dumb" group "it's okay you only made a C" or even "For a dumb kid, that's good work" as you hand them a paper that only scored a C. Tell the "smart" kids "I know you can do better" when they turn in A- work. Within weeks if not days, the kids will be putting out work that matches the expectations they are given. The "dumb" ones will study less, and when they do study the stress of an inferior self-image may even cause them to not learn as easily as if they didn't have this stress. Continue this "experiment" for 12 years and you'll wind up with the "smart" group significantly ahead of the "dumb" group.
Translate this into the real world:
If a manager interviews job candidates with a mindset of "he's got a Black-sounding name and voice, I'm going to look for excuses to not hire him during the phone interview, or if he's clearly good enough to get past the phone screen and he turns out to be the best candidate, I'll not give him good assignments until he's worked extra-hard to prove he can handle entry-level assignments" and "he's got a white-sounding name and voice, I'll look for every reason to get him past the phone screen, and if he is in a tie with a non-white candidate I'll hire him, and I'll give him better assignments than non-white candidates" well, you will wind up with a department where non-white candidates aren't as successful as the white one. At least until that manager's boss wonders why his department is under-performing and fires him.
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...Honestly, I believe we don't go looking for the problem because we are afraid of what we might find.
A need for more socialism: welfare, free education, solidarity, etc... :)
I'm sure all you Americans are afraid of that
Notice that poverty is one of the few problems you can solve by simply throwing more money at it.
So the solution is quite simple and foolproof, throw money that the problem.
I'm not saying it isn't expensive, but significantly fewer poor people is good for the economy in the long run.
Out of curiosity, did they control for browser/ip/cookies?
We know that major search engines personalize the results.
They do this by tracking cookies, browsers, ip addresses. Unless they controlled for those things, then this could just be a flawed experiment.
Also do those names, unfortunately, have more pop-cultural references related to crime or arrests? It could just be revealing an unfortunate historical social trend. In which case more positive news with people with those names would stem the tide of "racist ad results."
I know when I was setting up google ads I was never asked the ethnicity of my target market.
Hmm, the humour and sarcasm seem to have been be lost on you.
I went to Junior High with a guy whose name was "Tyrone Jackson", and he was a totally average white guy. Every year, at the beginning of the school year, the would call his name on the first day of class. When he'd say "here", there was always a two second silence by the teachers as they tried to figure it out in their head.
Laughing always ensued.
are bogan names, not black names (and so are combinations of them, like Trekishanell). Therefore, serving up arrest related ads for these people is not racist, it's socio-economic-ist.
NO, Being insensitive is deciding to arrest someone based on their name. Being insensive is deciding which names belong to which race.
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As someone who grew up with an unusual name, I can tell you that stereotyping a person by name is not limited to race. In my experience, guys with names like Joe, Chris, and Jeff always seemed to have girlfriends and never had any trouble getting (or stealing) a new one when the current one turned to boom boom. On the other hand, guys with weird names rarely had girlfriends.
I don't supposed she checked out the names of all the folks arrested. She might find that there is evidence there that suggests Google is merely following the numbers.
Now, she could argue that law enforcement is discriminatory. But that would be even more support for Google's efforts being evidence based and not a result of bias. It doesn't matter if you were arrested because of what you did or because of your name or color. You still need to make bail and get a lawyer.
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Poor defendants can't afford bail or lawyers, so they have an incentive to agree to a plea deal. Once they have a criminal conviction, it becomes much harder to get a good-paying job, and there you go.
A good lawyer can usually get a much better deal on a plea-bargain, reducing the chance of a felony rap and, for misdemeanors, increasing the chance of some kind of diversion or alternative-sentencing that doesn't result in a permanent criminal record.
Scenario:
Two 19 year old drug addicts with clean records in separate incidents are caught with a small amount of meth, just enough that they could be convicted of a minimal felony and get anywhere from probation to 2 years in prison. The county has a drug-addiction-diversion program for young adults.
Both are married and have a child. One is Black and poor. The other comes from an upper-middle-class family and is White.
If the prosecutor is a bigot, he'll steer the White guy into the diversion program and threaten to throw the book at the Black guy.
If he's not a bigot, he'll give the same options to both people, but because of the wait for trial and bail costs, the Black guy may choose to take a quick plea. The options are:
* Post $10,000 refundable bond or pay a bail-bondsman $1000 non-refundable, OR
* Stay in jail until trial or until a bed opens up in the drug-treatment center if you take the plea deal, OR
* Plea out now.
The plea agreement is:
* 2 years of pre-trial deferment, during which time you will
** attend a 30-day inpatient addiction treatment program at your own expense (cost: $10,000, but a local charity will pay half if you are poor)
** Spend 30 days in jail over the first 15 weeks after release from treatment (normally weekends, assuming you work Monday-Friday)
** attend at least 3 NA or similar meetings a week in the 90 days
** see a therapist or participate in group therapy at least weekly for the first 90 days after the inpatient treatment, at your own expense (cost: $25/week for group therapy run by a local charity, more for non-charity or 1-1 options)
** For the remainder of the 2 years, attend an NA or similar meeting weekly and stay in contact with the equivalent of a probation officer weekly and have in-person monthly visits
** For the entire 2 years, be subject to searches and drug screenings at any time
** Be employed, enrolled in school, or actively seeking work the entire period after release from the inpatient program
** The first failure will result in an evaluation of your addiction and a return to whatever stage of treatment you need, but in any case your total time on supervised pre-trial release will be extended by 6 months and you will serve another 30 days in jail over the next 15 weeks that you aren't in rehab.
** You may at any time terminate this agreement and be sentenced to 6 months in jail followed by 18 months of probation, during which time you will agree to random drug tests and searches. If you make this choice you will have a misdemeanor drug-offense record.
** Before signing this agreement, you may choose to go to court on the felony charge. If convicted, we intend to request a sentence of 2 years in prison, with 1 year suspended. During the suspension you will agree to normal terms of parole, including random drug screening and searches. If you violate these terms you will be returned to prison for the remaining year.
The middle-class guy hires a lawyer who bonds him out then tells his client "they caught you red-handed, there's no sloppy recordkeeping, take the deal." He takes the deal. The waiting list for a bed at the subsidized treatment center is 3 weeks, so his parents sent him to a private facility. Two years after entering rehab, he's holding his 2-year NA chip and celebrating the dismissal of his case.
The poor guy's court-appointed lawyer tells him the same thing. Unfortunately there's no way he can scrape together $5K to pay for rehab and his lawyer isn't smart enough or is just too busy to help him f
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The overwhelming majority of lottery winners are broke again within a few years. That proves throwing money doesn't solve the problem of "50 inch plasma in a trailer" culture.
The problem is that some subcultures, and also general American culture more than some others, value flash over investment, rims over tuition. Throwing money at many people just means they'll have bigger rims on their hoopty, more gold around their neck.
If someone from Japan or India gets $10,000, they'll turn it into a college degree or a business. Give some. Americans $10,000 and they'll put a fown payment on a tricked out 2006 Cadillac at the note lot.
If you design a study starting using qualities such as 'name x, y, and z are more likely associated with blacks' and 'a, b, and c are more likely associated with whites' than the STUDY is racist!. In other words if you define your social experiment in such a way as to look for racism then don't be surprised that you find it...it is quite possible that with the group of names used that some are more likely to show up on arrest warrants & such, that's the effect being seen...the assumption that because some names are more likely used by blacks and others more likely used by whites that the presentation of the data is racist is simply WRONG!...To determine that the result is racist you'd have to determine that the search result was built by first identifying that the name is 'in the group most likely used by blacks' and then return an ad that suggested that the end user wanted to know about 'black topics' (whether arrest/criminal activity or otherwise).
Social science is a misnomer, at least while the quality of their 'science' is at this level.
I keep getting ads for bail bonds and DUII attorneys. This started happening lately -- the only change in my behavior lately is that I've stopped buying and drinking beer (reasons to do with the circumference of my waistline). While it's extremely disturbing, I wouldn't be surprised if that information -- somehow -- is filtering back to Internet ad companies. Who the fuck knows how they know, but they do.
I know pathetically stupid, loser asian people. I know highly inteligent and educated black people. I know a lot of people who most definitely defy the stereotypes which we are all very aware of. But there was a time when I would have defended the practices being described. I will not defend them. It's rather disgusting if this is the truth.
But all that said, stereotypes exist because of an overwhelming preponderance of anecdotal evidence. And in the end, advertisers want to get their ads in front of the people who would be the most interested in seeing them, So in "bad neighborhoods" we see billboards for bondsmen and lawyers among other things. And I have even seen this online when I am in areas with wifi in bad neighborhoods. While disgusting, it would not be practiced if it weren't also effective. So we shouldn't be asking "why are advertisers responding to statistical evidence?" We should be asking how can we make positive changes that result in a change in statistics!
Because if we are seeing to have a practice which is largely based on statistical evidence, we are merely seeking to institutionalize denial of the truth. I'm just not inclined to deny a problem when solving it would seem more appropriate.
- Spending your lifetime saving for your retirement, and it all disappears once you're about to retire
- Rape
I'm not sure there's a clear choice there.
paintball
The appropriate term for this is "statistical discrimination," and there is an academic literature surrounding it. See Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_discrimination_(economics)
For example, if you want to avoid hiring ex-convicts, you can simply not consider any black men and you will make your job a lot easier. However, this obviously has a negative effect on black men who are not ex-convicts (and a positive effect on all other groups). The test for whether statistical discrimination is bad is whether it affects a particular group negatively. For example, old people can't get affordable private health insurance in the USA because they're so much more likely to become ill. To remedy this negative effect, we started Medicare.
Every stat out there has a correlation with it's target audience, it does not discriminate on what those properties might be. It's probably a sad but true case, and some people are too sensitive to hearing particular groupings of information, and the other ones who want to cater to everyone make a big deal out of it. The world isn't a nice place, but they can't pull the race card now that we have obama lol. That basically says to the public that anyone can become president, the supposedly highest position. People make their own choices.
The examples given are no more racist than classifying a name as African American or black, both the researcher and the advertising agency's are utilizing statistics.
To quote the story line: Mind tricks don't work on me. Only money.
A truly blind market doesn't discriminate against anything but people without money. Instead, there are always people hunting for niche markets to make a dollar off of. If there's profit in a store that caters to Korean Christian wheelchair-bound brides-to-be(*), someone will find a way to make it happen somewhere.
These searches cost someone money. Therefore, they are either occurring at a loss or are generating a profit. If driven solely by racism, then people won't click through, the ad buyer will lose money, and the problem will solve itself(**). As an earlier poster said, reality is not politically correct: if the ads are being clicked through, then they are not racist; they are working for their buyers.
(*) I don't think there is, but God usually delights in making the world stranger than we can imagine.
(**) Eventually, even the richest racist would have to give up on an ad campaign that didn't self-fund, so you can't even claim a secret conspiracy funded by wealthy backers.
Can be very NSFW!
To say that only the blacks suffer from racism is ridiculous
And to say that because the blacks suffering from racism they can't be perpetrators of racism themselves is equally ridiculous
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
What's the German policy on ganja?
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
I can't imagine how anyone with a name like that would have a personal bias in interpreting these results. No sirree.
Need to compare records of crime rates of white kids named Darnell vs. black kids named Darnell.
ironic captcha: natures
People don't believe Jesus is the son of God because they also believe that believing this will make their family strong and keep them out of jail.
People believe Jesus is the son of God usually because that is what they were told when they were children. A few people become convinced of this later in life too, but again they believe it out of some kind of pressure or need for the belief itself, not because they like the family/non-jail benefits believing in it bestows.
Whether or not this belief *also* has the consequence of strengthening the family unit, and keeping people out of jail, is a separate matter. Maybe it does just that, and maybe this is very good for society as a whole. Those benefits might lead a society to greater success, giving them more opportunities for promulgation of their beliefs (or just more opportunities to breed, which is how most religions really spread). But even so, these consequences are not the *reason* people believe.
Effective or not, the beliefs are still superstition, still don't hold up to scientific or philosophical scrutiny, and still can lead to some forms of oppression (homosexuals can't get married or raise children together in some places, for example). Intelligent, wise, people still have good reason to reject these beliefs on those grounds.
Though, I really wonder about your "educated beyond the level of their intelligence" statement. It reeks of the sort of anti-intellectualism that can harm society and counter-act the benefits that religion might provide. Knowledge is not in-and-of-itself evil, and the truth has nothing to fear from honest, competent investigation. Personally, I like my cell phone, and am glad that history had sufficient intellectuals in it to produce such a thing.
".gel s'rehtom ruoy nwod nar uoy fo trap tseb ehT" - by Anonymous Coward ANOTHER "ne'er-do-well" /. OFF-TOPIC TROLL on on Monday February 04, @10:50PM (#42793359)
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Uhm... Could we get a translation of that off-topic "troll-speak/trolllanguage" of yours, please?
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"disadvantaged" != "criminal"
Let me fix that for you.
Latanya Sweeney is black, whatever the results of a research will be slanted towards racism and discrimination.
Like it or not there is a mind set here,
Hell my brothers first name is Leroy, does he get raciest ads because of his name, previous searches, or any at all.
searching for our favorite Federation Starship will bring up ads for a similarly-named car-rental agency
Excelsior Car Hire? I have never heard of them.
... feminine hygiene products are marketed towards women, and beer ads target men.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
adblock: the non racist solution
This garbage is more racist than the Google ad bias. 5 Insightful? Just when I think Slashdot is progressive...
"Off topic troll? Takes one to know one, cumstain." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 04, @11:17PM (#42793489)
Identify YOU as a troll: No "hands-on experience" needed here, as doing it myself
Me? Hey - I merely stated facts you can't disprove -> http://search.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3433863&cid=42791235
* That's all - "Easy as Apple-Pie"...
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THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always IS, vs. off-topic illogical failing ad hominem attack utilzing trolls (such as yourself, clearly)...
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This "racism" crap is similar to the old time witch hunts, or the "red scare". These anti-racist nuts are looking for signs of "racism" in every single nook and cranny. Exactly like the anti-Communist fanatics. Wonder if they go home at night and carefully make sure that there are no holes in their bed sheets before going to sleep?
OMG! I just realized that there's WHITE on the American flag and no black or brown! Racism! Racism! Racism!
It also appears that White is disproportionately represented on these comment boards! Only the fonts are black and the overwhelming amount of space is White! /. is obviously racist.
Give it a F***ing REST!
These advertising companies care about what you see and where you click and don't give a $#!T what color your eyes and fingers are.
statistics are statistics
arrest stats
population stats
sad, but true: 11.5% of the population and almost 50% of the arrests. Now those statistics might be caused by racism, but it's not exactly racist to analyze those and display content based on them is it?
Bah, it was just a child process anyway!
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Search all first names of defendants in criminal cases and then target ads for legal services to the top 5% of the names?
For example, first names such as Trevon, Lakisha and Darnell suggest the owner is black while names like Laurie, Brendan and Katie suggest the owner is white.
In other news, water is wet and fire is hot.
Implying that Latanya is a "black" name isn't racist? I mean, it just is statistically more likely that that is a black name and so you are using that as an example, correct article writing hacks? So is that racist or not?
jackasses....
It seems some are in denial, example is "liberal" Hollywood like GOP keep insisting white people center of focus. I don't track movies but someone mentioned on PBS News Hour that 90% of leading actors of major motion pictures are white guys (there are many other ethnic groups out there but much of Hollywood and Madison Ave doesn't know they exist). Other example, "Real Housewives of Orange County [CA]" are all white (amazing, I only see hispanic and asians in Orange County). And when do white people see black people? Many do not except on TV either as a sports star, entertainer, or getting dragged off to jail. Some exceptions such as the President or Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yes, it gets scary posting topics like this, mentioning the R word can get your ass flamed.
mfwright@batnet.com
Based on the summary, would someone with the name Trevon be served up ads for Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea?
Re: astrology (NOT astronomy)
;>)
I have a friend who teaches Physics, and a secretary who was writing/drafting a legal letter for her mislabelled her job as "Professor of Psychics" instead of as a professor of Physics. How very Hogwarts-ian of them if they could have tacked on a professor of potions along with it!
Lived in the NL for ~ 10 years. Married a Dutch woman. Now living somewhere else. Due to her job, we might return to The NL in the foreseeable future. (I work in IT, I can get a job anywhere).
Just wanted to share: Jesus Fucking Christ, The NL is one racist country.
It is actually funny how Dutch society has (in general) a decent notion of harassment and discrimination, but somehow it really only applies to Jews and Homosexuals.
- Harassment/Bashing of Jews and Homosexuals: something bad that should not happen, and shoud it happen, we should all stand against it.
- Harassment/bashing of anyone else: a matter of personal opnion. People might not agree with it, but it is really rare to see any Dutch person take any stance against it. People just look to the side a little embarassed.
It says a lot about a country when its prime minister has been convicted for discrimination, never taken its words/actions back, and nobody could care less (yes, the Dutch courts have convicted Rutte of discrimination...).
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It's like that "Alles is Liefde" movie. Where the whole social gamut of *white* Dutch society is represented and honored, but nothing else. The only non-white person that appears is a black man that has to swallow racist/derogatory comments and jokes from Sint Klaas TV interview. People laugh of it. In a mainstream movie. Place the same jokes on a gay/jew and the movie would be dead-on-arrival.