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Professors Rejecting Classroom Technology

CowboyRobot writes "The January edition of Science, Technology & Human Values published an article titled Technological Change and Professional Control in the Professoriate, which details interviews with 42 faculty members at three research-intensive universities. The research concludes that faculty have little interest in the latest IT solutions. 'I went to [a course management software workshop] and came away with the idea that the greatest thing you could do with that is put your syllabus on the Web and that's an awful lot of technology to hand the students a piece of paper at the start of the semester and say keep track of it,' said one. 'What are the gains for students by bringing IT into the class? There isn't any. You could teach all of chemistry with a whiteboard. I really don't think you need IT or anything beyond a pencil and a paper,' said another."

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  1. The funny thing at my university by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my university, the CS department are, counter-intuitively, some of the most reluctant to use our online capabilities and classroom presentation tech. I'd say about half of the CS profs still want everything handed in hard-copy and don't even post their syllabi online. And we have a pretty robust system for online content too, if a prof chooses to actually use it. But many don't want to even touch it.

    You would think programmers would be more comfortable with computers.

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    1. Re:The funny thing at my university by koan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder if there is some element of job loss associated with it.

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    2. Re:The funny thing at my university by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you answered your own dilemma there; at my university most of the CS professors equate programming with writing out algorithms on paper.

      To some degree they're right. Computer Science isn't Software Engineering, just as Physics isn't the same as Mechanical Engineering. Its really about data structures and algorithms more than it is about software. You must learn programming languages but mostly as a vehicle to demonstrate concepts.

      I think some of the confusion would be lessened if they called it Computational Science rather than "Computer" Science.

      That said, in the modern world. I would expect some level of online precense from everything. I think a lot of the "collaborative learning environment" stuff like online discussion forums is a bit of a waste (people will just use existing communications technologies if they want to collaborate), but at a minimum putting a syllabus online isn't much work. Being able to check your grades isn't a bad idea either.

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    3. Re:The funny thing at my university by jythie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suspect it is less that they are uncomfortable, and more that the are unimpressed. Though if they are not even willing to do basic stuff like posting documents online that is a bit odd.. though thinking back, not all that surprising either. Last time I got to play with one of those 'professors, get your stuff online!' packages that are peddled to universities, the barrier to learning it and getting it to do anything useful were pretty high, esp since the most people generally wanted out of it was 'act like a damn ftp site'.

    4. Re:The funny thing at my university by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most of the CS profs aren't really programmers, but true computers scientists, and really computer science has very little to do with computers, or programming. Also, most of the professors have probably been around for a long time, and know what works and what doesn't work. They want you to hand in hard copies of stuff so that they don't have to deal with any excuses about how the system lost your assignment. The only problem I would really have with handing in hard copies is that nobody uses floppies anymore, which is what I used to hand in my assignments on, and USB sticks and SD cards are a little too expensive to be passing around to teachers for assignments. They really should make Low capacity SD cards for really cheap so that people can us them for passing data around in cases where you might not get the SD card back.

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    5. Re:The funny thing at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my experience students pay more attention to a piece of paper handed to them than if I say "the syllabus with all the test and assignment due-dates is available on-line". If an instructor assumes that everybody in the class is comfortable with computers and will actually look at an electronic-only syllabus, it's a recipe for disaster, although I admit that in a computer science department it's probably a safer assumption than usual.

      In one of my classes with over 100 students, it's a month into classes and I still get questions about where the electronic class notes are, even though I explained it on the first day, it's on the syllabus (both on paper and on-line), and it's in the same location for almost every other course at the university. Although most students get it, some students are quite clueless. At least if you hand them a piece of paper in class they don't have the excuse that "they couldn't get it to work" or "my computer was broken", or "my interwebs aren't working from home". I treat it the same way as e-mail versus paper mail: if you want people to pay attention, send it to them on paper. It's harder to ignore or claim for technical reasons that you somehow missed it.

    6. Re:The funny thing at my university by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not that they aren't comfortable with computers, but rather that they know the computers' failings.

      Sure, that online testing package is nice, but it can't prevent cheating like a proctored in-person test can. Posting syllabi is nice and all, but students use that as a way to just read the book before the exam rather than attend class. Having a real-time chat for office hours is a nice shiny toy, but it's not really useful for demonstrations or sketches.

      Then, of course, to actually use any of those features, there's a time investment required to learn the specific mechanism the system uses. Your CS professors already know how to put a video online, should they choose to do it. Learning to do it through the fancy new system is just a waste of time. It's not a new capability to them like it is to professors in other departments who may not know how to set up their own content server. It's just the same old crap, with the same old problems, but now it takes longer to do it.

      Last I knew, my alma mater's CS professors each just ran their own server, configured however they liked. Some used them extensively, and some didn't.

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    7. Re:The funny thing at my university by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      At my university, the CS department are, counter-intuitively, some of the most reluctant to use our online capabilities and classroom presentation tech.

      Why counter-intuitively? Dijkstra has been very vocal on this topic throughout his whole life. And you can hardly get more CS-y than him.

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    8. Re:The funny thing at my university by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At my university, the CS department are, counter-intuitively, some of the most reluctant to use our online capabilities and classroom presentation tech.

      I don't find that counter-intuitive -- the longer you work with technology the less you want to use it for the sake of using it. And there's lots of students who would simply read the syllabus and then show up for the exam thinking they've got it covered without knowing what the professor actually taught in class.

      I'd say about half of the CS profs still want everything handed in hard-copy and don't even post their syllabi online

      Supposedly, Donald Knuth had his secretary print out his emails.

      You would think programmers would be more comfortable with computers.

      If it helps the problem sure, if it's just busy work, not so much. Sometimes, technology doesn't really add anything but extra steps of little value.

      I find at work someone always is pushing us to do all of our work in some form of social media like Sharepoint. And it's not something that helps me get my work done (in fact it usually makes it harder), it's something that the people in charge of these can point to and bray about the adoption of it. A discussion thread is more trouble than it's worth for most things I find.

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    9. Re:The funny thing at my university by conorpeterson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll say this as a cynical adjunct: the instructors who are the most integrated with CMS are the instructors who are likeliest to be replaced by a MOOC. Not to discount online learning, but since I prefer it the old-fashioned way I've changed my approach to emphasize the strengths of conventional classroom instruction. My IT needs are a lab, projector, audio system, LAN file share for course materials and submissions, and a whiteboard - anything more is likely to be more trouble than it's worth.

    10. Re:The funny thing at my university by psmears · · Score: 2

      The only problem I would really have with handing in hard copies is that nobody uses floppies anymore,

      Floppies don't really count as hard copy...

    11. Re:The funny thing at my university by Beetjebrak · · Score: 2

      Dijkstra of course had godlike skills with a blackboard.

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    12. Re:The funny thing at my university by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Dijkstra has been very vocal on this topic throughout his whole life. And you can hardly get more CS-y than him.

      Donald Knuth might be more CS-y than Dijkstra, but he doesn't even use email!

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    13. Re:The funny thing at my university by StuartHankins · · Score: 2

      MS-DOS was fairly simple, and if you're teaching assembly, would seem to be a good starting point. I took assembly classes under MS-DOS (strangely enough after years of programming various systems) and I think it was very helpful to understand some of the concepts.

      Granted, the audience for assembly is not what it used to be, and perhaps that's the "wtf" you're experiencing, but if you're teaching assembly, using MS-DOS isn't a horrible idea in and of itself.

    14. Re:The funny thing at my university by null+etc. · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The term "Computational Science" is the most spot-on clarification I've heard applied to computer science, in my 20+ years of academic and professional programming.

    15. Re:The funny thing at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a CS Prof and the online course support software we are supposed to use would get a very poor grade if any of my students wrote it.

      I suspect the reason many of us prefer not to use such technology is because it impedes, not enhances, the student experience. It's hard to find information, damn difficult to edit it, tricky to make the marks add up right, and shows the wrong people information they should not see (like other students' marks).

      Have you tried reading etextbooks as opposed to paper books? It is harder to find information when you do not know exactly what you want (no easy way to flip through material), and they also discourage prolonged reading of the kind necessary to develop sound understanding, as opposed to quick answers to a question on hand.

      It reminds me of the old chestnut of the Americans spending $1m to make a pen that would write in space, while the Soviets used pencils. Not all new technology is better or makes a job easier.

    16. Re:The funny thing at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      We are unimpressed *and* actively impeded by the University bureaucrats.

      I want to post a lot of things in a web-accessible fashion for my students: most of that is static, so the assorted CRMs are overkill (not to mention the giant PITA it is to post static content via the CRM *without* bullshit CRM dressing all over it), and for the content that has a *real* dynamic component (not just "I blogged again, teehee" dynamic), the CRMs are a nightmare.*

      Yet, if I want to just deal with rolling my own? Good luck with that. Uni. (and occasionally even Dept.) IT will not only be of no assistance, they will *actively thwart* attempts to do this sort of thing.

      *Maybe people accustomed to having their hands tied can tolerate that sort of treatment long enough to learn it, but not me.

    17. Re:The funny thing at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I knew a student who graduated with a 90+% average with a CS degree and he had no idea how to use computers. When I asked him about this, he explained how he realized early on that the assignments where only worth 5-10% of the class mark in the few courses that required actual programming but took a significant amount of time so just skipped them to study/memorize for the exams. He should have gone for a Math major but he figured their was more money in CS :(

       

    18. Re:The funny thing at my university by whitroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reminds me of my first programming class, many many years ago - before a lot of you were born. It was a pseudo-assembly course, with a make-believe assembly language with 13 instructions, including add, subtract, multiply and divide. 36 or 39 statrted the course: 13 of us took the final, and three of us thought it was a Micky Mouse course, while the other 10 were barely treading water.

      We figured it was weed out for the folks who read You Can Make Big Money With Computers on the inside of a matchbook cover.

      I'd be shocked, shocked I tell you, if a lot of folks taking the first computer class weren't there because a) they confused it with playing games, or b) you can make big money with computers, and it cost less and is less yucky than medical school.

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    19. Re:The funny thing at my university by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of the CS profs aren't really programmers, but true computers scientists, and really computer science has very little to do with computers, or programming. Also, most of the professors have probably been around for a long time, and know what works and what doesn't work. They want you to hand in hard copies of stuff so that they don't have to deal with any excuses about how the system lost your assignment. The only problem I would really have with handing in hard copies is that nobody uses floppies anymore, which is what I used to hand in my assignments on, and USB sticks and SD cards are a little too expensive to be passing around to teachers for assignments. They really should make Low capacity SD cards for really cheap so that people can us them for passing data around in cases where you might not get the SD card back.

      I think you missed the point entirely. A hard copy is a paper copy. The point of the hard copy is that you "open" it instantly. No inserting a CD and hoping that the student wrote the CD correctly, that their CD writer is compatable with your CD reader, that their media isn't garbage. No juggling a stack of flash cards or USB sticks and trying to figure out whose is whose. No having to deal with that guy who didn't cough up the money for version X of the software, and your version Y has several small but annoying compatability bugs. No having to juggle dozens of emails with attachments for each assignment.

      Printed paper. The student's name is somewhere on the first page. You can start reading it instantly. Unless they really screwed up and used tiny or unreadable fonts, it is compatible with your eyes. Paper size is basically standard, and you can stack up all the papers and keep them together easily. Everybody can spend their time more productively doing better things.

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    20. Re:The funny thing at my university by N0Man74 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was going to mod you, but I couldn't find +1 Sad.

    21. Re:The funny thing at my university by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Posting syllabi is nice and all, but students use that as a way to just read the book before the exam rather than attend class.

      And who is paying for the class? We're not in kindergarten anymore where you need mandatory attendance for mommy and daddy.

      I've had my share of shitty teachers where it was more efficient for me to just read and do the exercises in the textbook then to waste my time listening to a prof that couldn't teach.

      The better teachers find ways to engage students by asking them questions then to simply spew useless facts.

    22. Re:The funny thing at my university by SillyHamster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No juggling a stack of flash cards or USB sticks and trying to figure out whose is whose.

      ... and hoping that their anti-virus and your anti-virus was kept up to date.

    23. Re:The funny thing at my university by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Is this about being uncomfortable about computers, or just being skeptical about the idea that computers and the web always make everything better? Yes, I know this hurts the people who just wish everyone would buy their expensive products and stop asking about whether it works or not...

    24. Re:The funny thing at my university by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, many undergrads act like they're in kindergarten, and mommy and daddy and/or the taxpayers who are paying appreciate a little bit of nannying. Most professors hate it.

      If you actually don't need to go to class, then don't. I didn't, for certain classes. But don't expect the professor to go out of his way to help you. You've got the textbook, Google and the whole Internet. If you're so good why do you need the professor's notes and lectures online and packed up nicely for you?

      Yes, better teachers find ways to engage students... in class.

    25. Re:The funny thing at my university by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      In other words (I finished too soon) any alternatives need to prove that they are superior solutions that are worth spending lots of time and money on.

    26. Re:The funny thing at my university by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      It's really hard to have a paper break. For programming assigments even 30 years ago we had to have printed program and output along with the program (floppy or online). It's not a bad model and nothing has really improved on it that I can see. Hard copy plus soft copy.

    27. Re:The funny thing at my university by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better still are the teachers whose questions are spurred by the students' classroom experiences, who reinforce the knowledge while simultaneously encouraging curiosity, but that enriching experience will be lost on the students who decide in the first two sessions that participation isn't worth their time.

      You the student aren't paying the professor to teach the class. You're paying the university for the privilege of learning from the class that they're paying for. It's not really the professor's problem whether you get your money's worth or not, but it is his problem to determine whether you've adequately learned the material or not. Sure, you might be able to answer some exam questions to cover university-mandated bullet points, but the exam can't really cover all the details of the course material.

      The great lie of education is that the diploma means you know something. Rather, it just means you've demonstrated to a group of experts in a particular field that you should also be considered an expert in that field to a particular degree of mastery. Of course, each of those experts may set their own requirements for proof, within the limits upon which the group as a whole has agreed.

      This is not to say there aren't shitty teachers out there, or even ones whose teaching style doesn't work for some particular student. That's no excuse for missing material out of one's own arrogance. The student who skips class isn't entitled to credit if they hate their professor, any more than an employee who doesn't show up at work is entitled to a salary if they hate their boss.

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    28. Re:The funny thing at my university by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Software engineering is not programming either. Software engineering is really about how to manage programming projects.

      No, "how to manage programming projects" isn't software engineering. "How to manage programming projects" is IT Project Management.

      Software engineering is how to design software systems (particularly, large software systems). The CS:Software Engineering relationship is loosely analogous to the Physics : Aerospace Engineering relationship.

    29. Re:The funny thing at my university by Sentrion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who else among academia are going to understand better that skills are usually made redundant by technological advance? Education is in high demand and salaries for professors have never been better. Why jeopardize that by replacing themselves with technology? After all, they know all too well that if they did it right a small board room of top tier professors could teach a whole nation with the right technology and eliminate the need for tens of thousands of workers drawing upper-middle-class salaries. It sure would be great for the few on top but the majority probably know that it wouldn't be them.

      Managers may buy machines that replace workers, but they won't invest in computers to replace management. Same is true for physicians, lawyers, Professional Engineers, politicians, salesmen, accountants, real estate agents, stock brokers, licensed tradesmen (plumber, electricians, etc.). Only the most protected, organized, and proactively defended professions and trades will be able to withstand the dual effects of modernization (automation and information technology) and globalization (chasing cheap labor to the four corners of the earth). To succeed these professionals MUST convince their clientele, customers, bosses, managers, government officials, and the public at large that their job cannot be replaced by inhuman technology. The decision makers must be made to believe that their job requires a human touch, face time, or "intuition". Workers who wish to maintain their middle-class status and lifestyle need to establish strong and politically connected labor unions or trade organizations and/or pay for legislation that requires that their particular job can only be performed by a licensed individual with a specified level of education and experience. Those workers who do not will or already have become just another redundant commodity in a global labor pool of struggling masses. Relying primarily on years of experience and above average intellect to do a job essential to human civilization will not be enough to ensure viability.

      Going forward aspiring professionals who wish to rise above the masses will need to be businessmen and think like a shrewd Fortune 500 executive. Insist that as the top [insert title] at your organization it is essential that you are given a seat on the board of directors and are granted an officer position in the company. When times are good demand a major portion of the windfall profits plus a portion now of the anticipated future earnings. When times are lean demand pay increases and "retention bonuses" to motivate you to stick it out with the firm. If the company is failing and gets bailed out by the government, demand a bonus to compensate you for your successful lobbying efforts. If the budget for your project increases, demand for your compensation to increase proportionally. Whenever anybody asks you to settle for a lesser role, title, or compensation, stomp your feet and slam the table and insist loudly with serious facial expression that the company will fail without your unique genius and expertise in your field.

      Always maintain a personal website for your part-time consulting "side business" and list as many outrageous claims as possible that cannot be verified or substantiated. Publish a "list price" for turn-key solutions that would be several times higher than you are actually paid to do similar projects for your current employer. Publish your hourly consulting rate that is five to ten times higher than your equivalent hourly wage based on your salary at 40 hours per week. And every quarter increase your prices at a rate that matches the rising cost of healthcare, education, or energy, whichever is higher at the moment. When you go to your employer, customer, or shareholders, and they balk at the increase in compensation you are demanding to do your day job, just remind them of how much they are saving compared to what you earn consulting on the side. Show them your website and remind them periodically of how well your side gig is doing.

    30. Re:The funny thing at my university by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You make a good point, but as a college instructor myself for about 10 years now I know the real reason.

      It's extra work. End of story. Nobody wants to do extra work for nothing.

    31. Re:The funny thing at my university by Alomex · · Score: 2

      And who is paying for the class?

      Almost certainly not you. Pretty much the only people who go through university without aid from the institution itself or some form of help from the government are the wealthy mediocre kids of legacy Ivy leaguers. Almost every one else gets a break from someone.

    32. Re:The funny thing at my university by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      It's not just extra work, but sometimes it really doesn't work.

      The submission quotes a point that "you can teach the whole of chemistry with a whiteboard". This is true in the sense that this subject is one that actually benefits from a low-tech approach to lectures, since they are less distracting. However, if the budget's up for grabs, chemistry is one discipline where you really just can't have too much lab time, because that's where you learn the most.

      I was fortunate in that my university realises this, and my undergraduate degree involved about 15 to 18 hours per week in the lab - and we even had lab-based exams, so there was no doubt as to whether or not we had picked up the necessary knowledge and skills. While you can save yourself a bit of time with a laptop on your bench (hoping it doesn't get wet), you can actually get by with nothing more than pencil and paper.

    33. Re:The funny thing at my university by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Chemistry is also where computers can most effectively be used. Simulations are the best use of computers in education. Tweaking of the formulaes that are the basis of simulations, complicated outputs that are more readily understood by breaking them down into the component algorithms and how those outcomes are affected by altering those algorithms. A newer style of teaching that simply could not be done with pen and paper. Being able to work with large very complex models where more can be learnt, by having ready access to each part of the puzzle that creates the whole. Which part of group of parts you look at, analyse and learn, whilst being able to grasp them more effectively as parts of whole, better fundamental learning.

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    34. Re:The funny thing at my university by toutankh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This. I've been testing web education or whatever it's called this week. I did the same course with and without the "technology" addon.

      For the students: I didn't notice a difference. No more or less success. Good students are good, lazy students are lazy, nothing will change that. And holding their hand will just make them take less initiative, which is not a good thing for society as a whole.

      For the teacher (me): extra work, plenty. Also some waste of time (e.g. 4 hour meeting to brief us on how to keep a forum alive, wtf). No extra money, thank you. Also no taking this into account when evaluating my research (i.e. publications).

      For the people setting the whole thing up: yes, they got paid for doing something absolutely useless and wasting my precious time. They were quite happy with themselves, being convinced that they did something useful. I even heard "35% of the students are happy with the online course, that's very positive". My reaction "wait a minute, doesn't that mean that 65% is either unhappy with it or doesn't care about it?" was met with silence.

      My overall conclusion: thanks but next time I'll pass if I have the choice. And please, let the teachers do the teaching, not some guy from the I-have-to-justify-my-salary department who thinks that technology can solve all problems and that whoever doesn't agree just needs to open their eyes.

    35. Re:The funny thing at my university by n-baxley · · Score: 2

      Wow, 4 hours of extra work during initial setup. How do you stand it!? Of course with your course material online, getting setup for the next semester's course should take no time at all. Students are now able to access course material when and wherever they are, and can take their course work with them into the field. But let's focus on the 4 extra hours of work you had to put in

  2. research universities = only about research by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and the professors don't want to teach and have the big lectures that at times are just out of the textbook and are sleep though.

    1. Re:research universities = only about research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "... that at times are just out of the textbook and are sleep though."

      What? You seem to have nodded off at the end of that sentence.

    2. Re:research universities = only about research by cab15625 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An alternative perspective is that the research faculty want the hopeless cases to realize as soon as possible that their niche is not in the subject that the professor teaches, and are teaching primarily to the better students. Why do you think med. schools in North America still want students to jump through the hoop of first year chemistry? Is it because every MD out there needs to know how to titrate? Or is it because if you can't even learn something as trivial as titration, the med. schools know that your chances of safely learning about surgery, anaesthetics, and prescription medication (including doses) are almost zero.

    3. Re:research universities = only about research by jythie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interaction? Unless the class size was ~200, I can not recall having any professors who were unwilling to stop and answer questions or expand on points that the students seem to be having trouble with.

    4. Re:research universities = only about research by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      In practice that's a horrible idea. You get MUCH better interaction by having an in-person conversation. Also, having to get out of bed, go to the lecture or office hours and actually talk to a person filters out a lot of the stupid questions.

  3. small sample population? by brian1078 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They only interviewed 42 faculty members for this study? Seems like too small of a sample to come to any kind of conclusion.

    Faculty at the large public research university I work at have embraced the technology that has been provided to them.

    1. Re:small sample population? by kc9jud · · Score: 2

      It would make more sense to ask the students.

      As a freshman physics major at a major research university (of Our Lady), I can reliably say that my peers and I find the best instructors are those who give traditional "chalk talks." Last semester I started going to a different chemistry section precisely because my old instructor simply rushed through some powerpoint slides and made some cryptic remarks, while the other professor wrote everything out on the chalkboard. As a general rule, professors who use Powerpoints just read off them, while professors who write on the board actually have something to say. Also, WebAssign sucks majorly. Nightly rants about WebAssign and online homework can be heard throughout the dorms.

  4. They're undergraduates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're undergraduates -- you need to attract their attention before you can teach them

    Rattles or mobiles work wonders on undergraduates.

  5. It depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, it really depends on the subject and the lesson whether or not technology is going to help. Technology for the sake of technology is money that could have been used on things that matter.

    I teach English and I'll use technology, but it's mostly technology that's a decade old and only for certain things. In fact I tend to avoid using it because I'm then at the mercy of the hardware to be functioning when I need it and I can't shuffle my lesson around if I need to.

  6. Features lacking in paper course materials... by kromozone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can't highlight every piece of text, run a search on it and then spend hours jumping from one wikipedia article to the next, losing track of where you even started. You can't take a screen grab of an amusing typo, caption it, and post it to some social media network. No little bubbles pop up on your piece of paper to let you know you have a new instant message, email, completed download, software update or follower... Perhaps class in a Faraday cage isn't neo-Luddism, but a practical lesson in focusing on one thing at a time for 40 minutes straight.

    1. Re:Features lacking in paper course materials... by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2

      I agree. It is unsubstantiated horseshit to insist on moving every little gadget, app, or web innovation into the classroom. Like any other tools, they should be leveraged when there is a significant benefit in doing so. Being up to the minute on Web-Whatever-Dot-O just to be cool and futuristic is a fool's errand, not to mention a potentially large waste of resources.

    2. Re:Features lacking in paper course materials... by starfishsystems · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you've captured the essential value debate right here.

      It's okay if a person's goal in life is to be the equivalent of a factory race-car driver, taking the new software around the track, putting it through its paces, competing against others to determine which strategies and deployments and use cases are the most viable. There's a place in the world for that sort of talent, just as there's a place for people who want to occupy themselves with filmmaking or graphic arts.

      But using a tool is not the same as engineering it, and engineering is not the same as science, and science is not the same as math, and math is not the same as philosophy. I'd argue that a substantial part of an undergraduate education involves developing an awareness of these distinctions. What's important are the ideas and modes of thought that support a particular discipline. So, for example, science undergrads are not exposed to number theory because it will have direct application in their careers. Number theory is a way of opening a conversation about the essential nature of abstraction.

      Now, if someone wants to come along and make a really cool documentary about number theory, with powerful animations and interviews with contemporary mathematicians and a sound track to die for, more power to them. But please, let's not confuse the vehicle with the journey.

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    3. Re:Features lacking in paper course materials... by starfishsystems · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's fine. You're points are all valid, but they don't address the underlying issue of resource scarcity. (Nor do mine, directly.) We face the perennial challenge of how to divide our scarce resources between explorations in breadth or depth.

      Classically, we've found depth to be the critical dimension. This goes back to Plato and beyond, though reexamined by Kant, Fichte and Hegel. If you neglect to understand a subject in depth, you may well fail to capture some of its essential properties. Any interdisciplinary synthesis made on that basis will then be flawed. Therefore synthesis is a final step in applying knowledge, not a preliminary one.

      For example, Ph.D studies - not just in the sciences but in all fields - are explicitly framed as exercises in depth. Thesis supervisors routinely have to point this out to grad students, in order to redirect their very natural tendency to go off exploring in all directions. I went through this stage myself. Probably everybody does.

      Sure, specialization creates arbitrary barriers between disciplines. So does modularity create arbitrary barriers between components. So does all individuation of subject from object, agency from action, et cetera. All dualistic thinking has this particular shortcoming. We accept that because we gain a powerful analytical tool in return. And sometimes we forget that we have made such a choice.

      The converse, I have to point out, is not "hard-earned wisdom" but the default way that people function when they impose no particular discipline on their studies. We don't need universities to teach that. It comes for free, as part of the human condition.

      And so we come around again to the question of classroom technology. It's easy to indulge in endless fiddling with bits and pieces of technology in the name of education. Occasionally, such fiddling may produce a valuable new synthesis of ideas. Stephen Wolfram sincerely believes this about Mathworld - that there's no telling what might happen if you facilitate mathematical exploration and let human nature take its course. I have nothing against it, only against claims that undisciplined exploration is the best way or the only way to conduct a search for knowledge.

      Look, everyone wants to be in on the synthesis part. But anyone can dabble in multiple subjects. What makes you think you're qualified to make any real contribution if you have no depth of experience?

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  7. Technology != Effective teaching by helixcode123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see technology as inhabiting much of the universe of effective teaching. A good teacher with deep subject understanding and good communication skills is always going to be better than a crappy teacher festooned with the latest IT.

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  8. English by mspohr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My wife teaches English (composition) at a local University and she used "Blackboard" for the sylabus, supplementary reading material and communication with the students. She also put up a few short lectures (combination of slides and voice over narration) on a few of the important topics in her classes.
    I think this is about the limit of possible use of technology for this type of class where learning depends on sitting with a student and their paper and working on how to make it better. I think that technology is over-sold in education.

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    1. Re:English by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Not sure about English composition, but there are other subjects that can benefit from technology: visualisation, learning with feedback outside the classroom, gamification... and other than just improving learning effectiveness, could you think of a way where technology could help a teacher effectively teach a class of 1000 rather than 30 or so? Or reduce the cost of learning so you can justify the expense for a far larger group? I can... and I am not the only one. We're not there yet, though.

      And sometimes it's about more than just learning. There's a series of courses taught at a company I work with, which comes with a meter-high stack of binders containing the course materials. That stack got replaced with an iPad for every student. Some managers screamed about education funds being spent on stupid, shiny toys. They didn't buy into the fact that these professionals got more effective since they now always have this refererence material with them on the job (often in remote locations). Or that this reference material is being kept up-to-date over the air. Or that errors in the material were pointed out far faster and more frequently through the iPad's software. But what they did understand, in the end, is that handing out iPads actually turns out to be way cheaper than handing out the stack of binders.

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    2. Re:English by nbauman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not sure about English composition, but there are other subjects that can benefit from technology: visualisation, learning with feedback outside the classroom, gamification... and other than just improving learning effectiveness, could you think of a way where technology could help a teacher effectively teach a class of 1000 rather than 30 or so? Or reduce the cost of learning so you can justify the expense for a far larger group? I can... and I am not the only one. We're not there yet, though.

      Teach a class of 1000 rather than 30? In a class of 30, a teacher can get to know every student by the end of the year. Students get to know each other. A class of 1000 is an assembly line. It's a mob. What's your measure of success? Students per dollar?

      I took a class in modern poetry, and I still remember a guy who was a car designer, who was taking classes in his retirement. He would tell us obscure things about poems by Wallace Stevens and Ezra Pound that in the news when the poems were written. In my freshman humanities course, one guy was an atheist. One guy was a Jesuit-educated Catholic. There were marxists and army veterans. After a while you could get to know how these people approached the world.

      I also took lecture classes of 300 in physics. The teacher basically read his notes. He answered questions, but it wasn't the same.

      Humans evolved in the last 100,000 years or whatever to deal with each other in family-sized groups of about 6 to 30. You can't have the same kind of communications and interactions in groups much larger than that.

    3. Re:English by stillnotelf · · Score: 2

      I sincerely believe that most of my classmates cheated, too. Is it really cheating when everyone does it?

      YES.

  9. Flash Cards by cab15625 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The most common thing that I see in chemistry is that online resources are used to post powerpoint slides for first year courses. This is mostly done as a concession to placate students who complain that they can't follow the lecture if they don't have something to follow. Fair enough I suppose. The problem comes when students then go to study for exams and think that a few collections of what amounts to flash-cards are sufficient to study from and are shocked when not a single question on the exam ever appeared in lecture (though all of the concepts were there, and all of the concepts were explained in even more detail in the textbook).

  10. I am a chemistry professor... by Covalent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and I can see why technology is not more thoroughly embraced. For starters, the OP makes a good point: How hard is it to keep track of a syllabus? If you're the kind of person who can't keep a piece of paper, or who can't enter the important information from that piece of paper into the data device of your choosing, you're probably not going to do well in the course anyway.

    But more to the point, learning technology is almost always more suited for the student than for the instructor. I can project a video on the screen and talk about it, but students who sleep during lecture are still going to sleep through lecture, and students who pay attention will learn either way. For students on their own, the technology can be more useful. I have used technology, and will continue to, but it's not a major part of my instruction and I could easily do without it entirely.

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    1. Re:I am a chemistry professor... by neurovish · · Score: 2

      So you have a syllabus. Is it handwritten or did you type it up on a computer?
      If you typed it up on a computer, then you will have a file saved.
      If you take that file and save it somewhere that can be easily accessed...like maybe some shared storage space on the department's webserver, then there is no syllabus for anybody to keep track of.
      How hard is it to copy a file to a webserver?

    2. Re:I am a chemistry professor... by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2

      How hard is it to copy a file to a webserver?

      Considering the idiotic bureaucracy of some college IT depts, it might be pretty hard indeed...

    3. Re:I am a chemistry professor... by rennerik · · Score: 2

      > If you're the kind of person who can't keep a piece of paper, or who can't enter the important information from that piece of paper into the data device of your choosing, you're probably not going to do well in the course anyway.

      I honestly hope that's really not what you believe. I have a few profs who don't post their syllabi online, and it's really infuriating. I don't have access to my notebooks 24/7, and the syllabus contains enough information that I can't simply copy without spending a significant amount of time doing so. If it was posted on a course website, I could access it from anywhere, even if I don't have my stuff, or even if I happened to misplace the paper amongst all the other hundreds of pieces I get every term.

      It's already in digital form. How hard is it to upload?

      > But more to the point, learning technology is almost always more suited for the student than for the instructor.

      This may be an unpopular opinion, but bear with me.

      I'm not saying the students should have it easy or don't have to work hard to get what they need, but some professors have this attitude that if something makes their lives simpler, despite its effects on students, they will take that route.

      One of my accounting professors is a good example of this. The school has an amazing online system for tests, quizzes, and homework assignments. All it really requires is the professor to input questions into a bank and he/she can issue these things over the internet. Of course, they could also give a paper assignment, but let's say the prof wants an online one. This professor refuses to use that system; instead, he opts with the publisher's system. This not only requires me to pay $100 to access (I bought the book used so I guess I get punished for not paying retail), but also to suffer through the publisher's shitty system. The questions are ambiguous, the HTML is half-broken, the alignment is off, there are 400 dropdown boxes that offer 30 answers and any one of them could be the right one, and it penalizes you for leaving a field blank instead of putting a zero (even though in accounting you don't do that in certain instances). Because of this, my mark suffers.

      But the prof insists on doing it because "it makes [his] life easier" and he "doesn't want to mark everyone's assignment manually." But he also can't be assed to use a system that I already paid for (by virtue of paying my fees) and set up his own, unambiguous, well-thought-out questions.

      I'm sorry, but I pay your salary. You work for me, not the other way around. I get that you have stuff to do, but please don't compromise my education for your comfort if that means I do poorer for it. I'm not asking you to make my work easy; I'm asking you to give me the education I paid for.

    4. Re:I am a chemistry professor... by SilverJets · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee whatever did the professors and students do for all those decades of university courses before the invention of computer networks?

  11. So what? by Tridus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure I care. I had classes with lots of fancy tech, and classes with next to none where everything was done on paper. It made no particular difference to how good the class was, or what I got out of it.

    Occasionally there's a good reason for it (submitting 50 pages of code by printing it out really makes no sense at all), but in my experience most of the time the technology costs a lot of money and doesn't really add anything of value. If the prof actually wants to teach and knows how to do it, the class is going to be good even if he's using stone tablets. If he considers teaching to be that thing he has to do in between research projects, it's going to suck no matter how much tech you throw at it.

    They could probably get better outcomes if instead of spending the money on tech, they spent it on instructors who want to teach so the professors that don't can go do the research they actually want to do instead. Everyone is happier that way.

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  12. Get a Horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>>You could teach all of chemistry with a whiteboard. I really don't think you need IT or anything beyond a pencil and a paper,' said another."

    Or with Khan Academy, without the $10,000 upfront.

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  14. Teachers need to change by nebular · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The professors don't grasp the tech because they haven't used it themselves. They don't see how much more information they can present to students with these tools. Chemistry can be taught using only a whiteboard, but if you put some of that information in an easily accessible and dynamic format that can be used outside the classroom then you can cover so much more.

    It's not about them rejecting technology, it's about them rejecting an overhaul of their teaching methods to best use the tools at their disposal.

    The old adage is "Those who can't, teach", but I would say it's more like "Those who can't adapt, teach"

  15. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? What do "today's tech/IT settings" bring to the table that is of actual benefit to the learning environment? How does a big CMS and computers help teach a university course? I'm not saying there aren't uses and benefits, but that is the question that is posed. Your summary dismissal of the university system does not remotely answer that question and in fact lends pretty heavy evidence that formal education is sorely lacking in today's tech/IT settings. It seems to me that the university system is exactly cut out for today's needs...people with little grasp on critical thinking, literature, culture, history, logic and reasoning, writing, debate. The games played in the media and in politics wouldn't work if the people demanded better. But they don't know better precisely because many people have tried to use a degree as a job training program and we've apparently let them, so long as the tuition gets paid. That's the problem.

    Technology should serve a purpose. You seem to think that purpose should serve technology.

  16. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it would be more accurate to say the old college system is not cut out for the needs of today's vendor commission expectations.

  17. Re:OTOH by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, that's actually more recent. I remember when I was a kid having to do a lot more work because my handwriting was much smaller than my classmates. The reason for the specificity is that students get rather good at using the largest margins, typeface and font size that they can get away with to pad their work. It means that if they want to pad out their work, they have to go to a lot more work than just adding additional points to their report.

  18. Not surprising at all by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine this: you have a notebook of your course content - basically and outline and examples - you've used for years. Each year, you walk into class grab a marker and go to town on the whiteboard. Nobody can get ahead of you, everybody has to concentrate on what you're saying or miss the details, and you can actively let your theories blossom infront of them. By the third or fourth time you've taught the class, you spend almost no time at all preparing. Each class can get a customized window of your knowledge that suits them. If you make an error, you just say "oops" and change the mark on the board by erasing the last one with your sleeve and everybody fixes it with a pencil. Done.

    Now, in the name of "connectedness" and "interactivity" you are expected to produce a full picture book of your entire semester's class work and examples, all worked to the nth degree. Everybody is supposed to download them and you just point at the board as your slides go by. There's no way to correct them on the fly, and any corrections you make require everyone to update their local copy. Those that take notes have to insert the new slides and just hope that the pagination doesn't change so they have to redo the whole back half of the presentation. Everybody is working from their laptop or their tablet, so nobody is really "taking notes" - even the good equipment sucks at it - and half are off checking facebook or playing games.

    It's not wonder profs are loathe to incorporate stuff into their lectures - more work for them, less interaction from the students. The whole idea of having a professor is getting a customized version of the class. Otherwise you could just go out and buy the (e-)text, take the exam and skip college altogether. It's not a business presentation where nobody gives a shit, and pretty slides makes up for the lack of real content. It's actual learning.

    College professors aren't, in general, very high on my list of respected professions, but I've got to side with them in this case. There are lots of things IT can do to help out, but in the classroom the experience should be very human and very hands on. /rant

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  19. Re:idiots don't know how to test it by jythie · · Score: 2

    *nods* to build off that, if the people doing the teaching are not seeing how some new widget will get them better results, there is a good chance the problem is the widget and the lack of understanding of its designer rather then the teacher simply being stubborn. Many in industry (esp sales people) seem to have very low opinions of anyone who teaches, and that low opinion is often very clear in the sales pitch and the pressure that comes down from administrators who listen to vendors more then their staff, so they end up with some tool that fills a salesman's image of what 'looser' professors need that is then pushed by administrators who only kinda understand the problems.. which even if the tool has merit pretty much taints it.

  20. Marginally better never sells. by dbc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's always a tough sell to get someone to buy into a major change in methodology for a marginal improvement that is not clearly demonstrable. The only way to sell any new technology is to clearly demonstrate a marked advantage to adopting the new technology, with a demonstration that is clear and awakening. Thus it was ever so.

    My translation of the summary is "I made my pitch, but people keep asking me: 'Why bother?', I shouldn't have to answer that! They are so mean! WAAAHHHH"

  21. The reason is simple by Ziggitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Students are the ones who are to gain from IT in the class room, not professors. Easily accessible and detailed syllabus online? Professor already has it memorized. Easy access to slides and notes from classes? Doesn't help the professor. Online study material? Again, does nothing for the professor. Online submission of coursework? Professor might actually take longer to grade it or even have to print it out to hardcopy, or else learn to use a software solution to mark the paper. Professors aren't motivated to use it because it means changing their existing process and they see no direct benefit to themselves.

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  22. On Point by cfulton · · Score: 2

    This is completely on point. Technology is great! I have been in the business for a long time and we can make many things better through the use of technology. But, pushing IT off on every supposed problem (what was wrong with the classroom that we are trying to fix) does not make things better. For instance I like to cook, but putting my oven on the internet doesn't make me a better cook. It is just a waist of technology. A solution looking for a problem. A teacher has stood in front of students and taught them to understand a subject matter for literally millennia. Adding high tech online line cloud based learning solutions is an answer to a problem that does not exist.

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  23. It's knowledge, not "comfort" by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who make a living with technology know what it's good for.

    That's why they use is sparingly (and to greater benefit) than instructors that fully embrace a bunch of expensive junk with no actual educational value.

    Whiteboard, projector, laptop, document camera. That's my ideal set of technology for a classroom.

  24. Whiteboards are critical, you see the mistakes. by Hozza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to say, I agree with them that the best way to teach is often writing everything by hand on a whiteboard. Why? It's the best way to create interaction. Talking over a PowerPoint presentation is only slightly better than just giving people a book to read. Working out everything out by hand in the lecture lets the students see how you work through the problem, and, critically, they see you make mistakes. Spotting these mistakes and either correcting them for you, or seeing how you approach going back and correcting them, is one of the most important things for the students to learn. In their later careers its often more important than the actual content of the lecture itself.

    So, yes, it's helpful if a course has a good website, and some simple CMS may be useful too, but it is absolutely critical that many of the lectures are still done by hand.

  25. They're half-right. by LikwidCirkel · · Score: 2

    I can understand some of this. There are people who push technology where it really is cumbersome. Blackboard, for instance, is a horrible tool and costs more time, money, and effort for both instructors and students than just using paper would. At my university, only the most incompetent computer professors used Blackboard. The best ones used their own simple web sites and pushed content with FTP.

    There are places where technology does help, but it's not universal. I still strongly believe that math and theoretical physics should be taught on a whiteboard and pencil/paper. I was using a tablet PC, way before the tablet craze, which worked pretty well.

    In liberal arts classes, however, a laptop and keyboard was invaluable. I could type way more content than people with pens and paper, and if somebody missed a class, sharing notes was trivial.

    In the end, it's about the right too for the right job, and fancy tech often simply doesn't add any value. It all depends on the kind of course and learning environment.

  26. Who built those toys? by KalvinB · · Score: 2

    Meanwhile, the people who were smart enough to figure out how to make today's tech, didn't have today's tech to learn with. Today's kids are too busy playing video games to know what math is good for. Something they'd see no end of if they had actual hobbies.

    Doesn't matter to me though. This idiotic obsession with technology just makes me more valuable in the work force.

  27. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by Phillip2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea that technology necessarily improves the way we do things is the fallacy in your argument. In practice, many people avoid this technology because it is really not worth the hassle for didactic gain that it brings.

    Want to use a whiteboard? Take a pen. Want to use an "innovative" tablet approach -- well make sure the battery is charged, take your gear to the lecture theatre, discover that it doesn't work in the lecture theatre you are in.

    The second point is that most "e-learning environments" are lowest common denominator. I asked once how big a file can I upload? Pretty big came the answer, think the limit is 60Mb or so. Not so useful when I want to upload an 7Gb ISO, or a 100Mb data set. Use of these environments is largely limited to uploading your powerpoints because uploading your powerpoints is all that they will do reliably.

  28. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by fermion · · Score: 2
    The old college system essentially is a few intense hours a week with a professor, a lot of time studying what the professor said, then doing reading, or writing, or calculations, or whatever.

    This works, except when a computer is brought in the classroom, the prof is no longer the center of attention. It is the computer. It is correct to say that there is no advantage to putting the class on the computer. It takes a lot of work, and the payback at the college level is not that great. This is especially true when you consider some profs just come in, read from the book, assign from the book, and don't really give it any more thought.

    The value of the class system, which really does not have to cost very much, is that they silllybus is no longer a separate document, but an integrated set of readings, activity, etc. Students can be given the option of online or paper texts. It is easier to refer to a variety of texts. For freshman lit, for example, anthologies can be collated from online source. listed in the proper place in the syllabus, instead of having students buy a book. For science simulations can be collated. Online tests can be created so that each student had an individual test. TAs can be used to tutor students instead of grading test.

    Using such a system, though, is a skill, and it is time consuming. I have heard of that hourly profs are not given time to set such a system up, so I understand why it is not popular.

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  29. I'm a classroom technology skeptic. by sdavid · · Score: 3, Informative

    I teach in the social sciences. Early on in my teaching career, ten or fifteen years ago, I was pretty gung ho on some of these systems, but over time I've become increasingly skeptical about them.

    The reason is that using technology properly is hard, time consuming, and can detract from classroom teaching. A simple example: put up too many slides, and students concentrate on them and ignore what I'm saying. Put the whole lecture on those slides (and put them online) and students won't attend class. Students rightfully understand that there's no point attending unless there's something to be gained by doing so. Of course, what they miss is that skipping removes the important interactive component to learning that they get in the lecture setting, at least for small to mid-sized classes. Now, you can replicate some of that interactivity online. There are a lot of techniques: online discussion groups, student created wikis, that sort of thing. They work, although not as well as class discussion, in part because students can easily game whatever scheme you put into place to make them participate in a way that can't in class. They are also hugely time consuming to use. If I'm mandating using a discussion group, I or the TAs have to moderate it and keep track of participation quality. Moodle, the courseware package we use, can count participation events, but that tells you little about the quality of a student's participation. I think, for a fairly traditional lecture course or seminar the benefits of using courseware are comparatively small and the costs in my time and in TA time just too great to be worth it. I think there is an important place for it where you do away with the traditional lecture component, but I'm not willing to go that route, at least not yet.

    I do use Moodle for online readings, communication with students, posting the syllabus and class slides, receiving assignments, and returning grades and comments. I also usually turn on the student forums, for those that like to use them. All of this is useful stuff, but it just replicates things that we could do using paper and bulletin boards. Heck, my powerpoint slides could just as well be presented using an overhead projector.

  30. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by ohnocitizen · · Score: 2

    Yeah, we no longer need philosophy, art, theater, or any course of study that doesn't lead directly to the only job remaining in a modern economy: programmer.

  31. Faculty use IT when they need it by Jim+Hall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am an IT Director / CIO for a small liberal arts university, and I've discussed this issue on my blog about IT leadership in higher ed. What many of us in technology sometimes forget is that technology is fairly new to the workforce, and that includes faculty. Remember, the PC was only introduced to office desktops in the 1980s (unseen mainframes in server rooms don't count). If people enter the workforce in their 20s and retire in their 60s, that's a 40-year work generation. So computers have only been part of the workplace for less than a work generation. There are still a lot of people out there who remember doing their work without technology.

    And faculty are less likely than, say, accountants to embrace change. Accountants realized that they could use the computer to add up the numbers and create a spreadsheet to track the income & expenses. People in sales used the computer to write letters and other communication. But for faculty, their job is teaching and for that they have relied on a chalkboard (or whiteboard) for pretty much their entire careers, going back to undergrad. Powerpoint was a stretch for some faculty, but Powerpoint isn't much more than a "captured" version of their whiteboard talk, so many faculty took to Powerpoint as a means of delivering lectures.

    One of the faculty at my university often uses the phrase "Technology should be like a rock; it should be that simple to use." And there's a lot to that. Faculty want technology that is easy to use. They don't want to tinker with technology, they don't want to try the latest thing. Faculty only want technology when it supports what they need to do for instruction.

    And that's where we in IT see things differently, of course. For us, technology isn't just our job, it's often our passion. We got involved with technology as a career path (programming, desktop support, server admin, databases, etc) because we were pretty much doing that already (building web pages, building our own computers, installing our own OS, etc) and what better job than to get paid doing what you love? So campus technology folks are going to gravitate to the latest technology: the Raspberry Pi, smartboards, video capture, and the like. And we get confused when the faculty don't want to use it, as TFA mentions.

    Faculty will adopt technology when they need it to do the job of teaching. The article includes some quotes along those lines.

    "I went to [a course management software workshop] and came away with the idea that the greatest thing you could do with that is put your syllabus on the Web and that's an awful lot of technology to hand the students a piece of paper at the start of the semester and say keep track of it." What makes it easier for faculty to focus on teaching? Learning how to put a PDF on the web (or a course management tool like Moodle) when they've never done that before, or printing out a syllabus and asking the students not to lose it.

    "What are the gains for students by bringing IT into the class? There isn't any. You could teach all of chemistry with a whiteboard. I really don't think you need IT or anything beyond a pencil and a paper."

    One quote that highlighted when faculty were interested in using classroom technology: "They're undergraduates - you need to attract their attention before you can teach them anything." Because that helps the faculty in the job of teaching students, which is the most important thing. In this case, using some technology in the classroom may help get the attention of students, which the professor says you need to do "before you can teach them anything."

    I'd also remind anyone working in campus technology to remember three important questions when trying to effect change on campus:

    1. Is it the right change to make?
    2. Are the right people behind the change?
    3. Is the campus ready for this change?
  32. Soo many factors by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One first needs to keep in mind that the VAST majority of university professors are basically parents needing tech support people. They're in their 40's or later, they don't have time to be trained on the technology, assuming the training exists, and they aren't capable of taking advantage of it anyway. The ones who *are* capable already have solutions in place, and have for ages and don't need whatever the latest 'Blackboard or WebCt etc. product is. If you think it's a pain in the ass teaching someone to use their iPad (and that's bad enough) now imagine that all of their screwups effect a class of 1500 people.

    Technology doesn't help a lot in the classroom itself. Well, it does, in that powerpoint slides are a vast improvement over a lot of other types of slides, and if you use a slate/tablet you can write on your own powerpoint at the front of the room. But writing on the whiteboard is helpful too. You *need* to pace yourself when at the front of the room, and if any of my students care to pipe in on this, I am terrible at pacing myself with powerpoint, but it can be done, and done very well by some people but not me. Of course my writing is basically illiterate scrawl so I have to use powerpoint.

    The backend stuff. Getting assignments electronically is great. But it's actually really hard to mark things electronically, or at least efficiently. Yes you can write on PDFs and use all of the revision tools in Office or the like, but it's usually a lot faster for me to take a printed paper copy and put marks on it than it is to manage an electronic copy. I could write my own software to manage this a lot better than any of the tools out there because its very problem domain specific. If I have students writing an algorithms assignment I need a different type of submission than a iPhone project. I don't write my own because just doing it by hand for 20-30 students is good enough.

    Marks on the web are hugely valuable. Both for me and for students. Students can look and see what the grades are at any time, and I can make a change and students know I've made the change. So that's fine. There are the usual security concerns (TA's including me when I'm TAing and not teaching) can make changes to grades on webct, and in a big class I have no idea if a change was made to something, or if that change was because the TA got a blowjob, or discovered and error in their marking, or just has a crush on redheads.

    The multiple choice 'clicker' nonsense is worse than useless. First you make every damn kid buy some special device they only need for a handful of classes. Then you have to manage the bunch that are broken. Students that forget them, get them confused with someone else's. Ugh. Not worth it.

    Online quizzes and that sort of thing... I could take or leave. I don't think they actually add much. Too easy to cheat, too easy to have IT problems make things go badly.

    In classroom IT is also a problem because every damn classroom is different. I went to do a guest lecture at the place I did my MSc. They have a standard classroom setup for audio-PC-projector-screen, and I knew that going in. But I got to that specific class and... I couldn't set my computer anywhere I could access the screen or see my notes to myself while talking. And the 'screen' was actually touch sensitive. So rather than pointing at something on my slide to talk about I kept having it interpret my points as gestures. Bloody nuisance.

    In classroom IT isn't 'owned' by any of the teachers, so none of them feel particularly responsible for it, and as I say most of them are computer illiterate at best (even in CS), where they might know their way around linux, but not Windows XP with whatever specific hardware configuration or the like. So you go into a class expecting to play audio, and... nothing. So now what is it? Is the audio muted, are the speakers unplugged, where was the audio muted etc. And this isn't my computer, so even if it takes me 15 or 20 seconds to figure it out, which isn't

  33. Get rid of them by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    I don't really understand this fascination with getting computers in the classroom. As far as I'm concerned the only room computers should be in is the computer lab. Teachers should be teaching, students should be learning. Computers don't help that situation at all. If it were better on the computer, we wouldn't need the classroom in the first place. I love computers, and students should be learning how to use them, but when I walk into the local highschool and the teachers got digital blackboard that cost the school more that it would have to hire 2 more teachers... and the class is on literature... I have to question the sanity in that.

    The best literature teacher I ever had would prepare her work ahead of time, print it on transparencies and then just slide them onto an overhead projector. She could update them on the fly with a dry erase marker. Infinitely more useful, and substantially cheaper than all this tech being thrown at education.

  34. I teach Engineering by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 3, Informative

    IT for IT's sake in the classroom is ridiculous. Like all other technologies, it needs to be examined for its utility in a certain application.

    I teach engineering thermodynamics, heat transfer, and fluid dynamics. All of these courses involve using basic fundamental equations to solve real world problems (sizing pumps and heat exchangers properly, etc.). I do example problems in class on the board and walk through them step-by-step so the students can follow the *procedure*. Then I throw a modified problem at them, set it up on the board, and prompt the class what the steps are to solving this problem.

    If they had to solve these problems in the field they would have to pull out a sheet of paper, a pencil, and a book of property tables, so that is how we roll in class. There *are* some computer programs that will automate many of these calculations in the field, but I want them to understand what those programs are doing and to be able to verify the answers. I tell the students this - the good students understand why I am making them do it the long way, the poor students whine that it is a waste of their time.

    I do utilize Powerpoint to show photos and videos of real-world applications. Showing engineering students how things can blow up and fall apart when they don't understand the fundamentals is a great motivator, provides an entertaining break for the student from the number crunching, yet is still educational in the "big picture" sense. A few of my classes are amenable to demonstrations where I can get a student or two to come up and make something go *BANG* using some apparatus.

    I am working on digitizing my lectures using PDFs produced by a LiveScribe pen, which essentially produces an electronic lecture. My handwritten notes become visible at the rate I would normally write them during a lecture, and a simultaneous recording of my voice plays along with the text. A student could sit down at a computer, open this PDF and have an experience similar to following the lecture (unfortunately without real-time ability to ask questions). I consider this a fall back for students who for whatever reason cannot attend class.For everything else, there is email, phone, or my office hours.

    I generally try teach to the "B and C" students in the crowd - the ones that are putting their shoulder to it but are struggling with a concept or two. Exposing these students to these problems showing a basic procedure, then graphical illustrations of the importance, prodding them to think through the problem seems to work very well for these students. The feedback that I get from my students indicates that they like the flow of my classroom.

    "A" students generally could be handed a poorly-written subject text at the start of the semester, told when the exam dates are, and would still find a way to do well. "D" students might physically get their bodies to class occasionally, but their minds aren't there. All of the IT in the world won't change these outcomes, though it does probably improve the A student's understanding of the topic.

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  35. I've only ever seen it used right one time by JubilantShank · · Score: 2
    I'm currently a sophomore pursuing an engineering degree. During high school, tech in the classroom was the next big thing, and it's the same here at college.

    I've had the opportunity (misfortune) to use quite a few different systems over the years - BlackBoard, Sakai, McGraw-Hill Connect, WebAssign... and out of all of those I have only found these services to be useful for two things -

    1) Submitting papers online - it is much more convenient (and environmentally friendly?) to submit our essays and papers online, just uploading them to Sakai or Dropbox or whatever than it is to print them out and hand them in.

    2) This is where technology has actually been really useful - Math Homework - my college assigns all of our math homework through WebAssign. Basically, we sign in, and it gives all of us students similar problems, but with somewhat randomized constants (e.g. I see "integrate this from 0 to 3", but for my friend it will be "integrate this from 0 to 4" etc). The nice thing is the way the system grades our answers - it actually evaluates our answers to see if they are mathematically equal to the desired answer (within certain limits, for example if it asks me to integrate something, I can't just put in the integral, I actually have to do the work) so, basically if the answer is Pi/3, it will also accept 3Pi/9, etc.

    Using WebAssign for our math homework is by far the best use of technology I have ever seen in a classroom. It will let us try up to 5 times to answer each problem correctly, and we get instant feedback on our answers.

    Using technology in the classroom only goes so far, in my opinion BlackBoard added nothing at all to my high school english class, it just meant that I had one more site to check for homework ever night. I didn't even like doing our chemistry homework online - the system was far to picky, if you have to draw a diagram of a molecule and your diagram wasn't oriented the same as the system was expecting it would just mark it wrong, even if the molecule was accurately drawn.

    I don't blame professors at all for ignoring a lot of the technology they have at their disposal, many times it only makes life more difficult for them and their students, and moving the class homework online very rarely adds anything to the class. However, when technology is used correctly, it can make a HUGE difference - online work is the reason I passed Algebra 101 in community college.

  36. This is a most provovative article by UBfusion · · Score: 2

    Some preliminary thoughts, after having read the full research article:

    It is a provocative study and it's going to be either totally ignored (because the author is just a PhD student in a non-technological discipline) or really stir the waters of educational research (just take into account the hundreds of books, tens of journals and thousands of research papers arguing about the benefits of IT in the curriculum).

    One weakness of the study that will definitely be used against the author is that he (and, not surprisingly, the interviewees) seem to confuse instructional technology with information technology - these two "IT" are not the same. As an educator, I firmly believe that PowerPoint presentations (except when embedding animations/video) are totally equivalent to plain old overhead transparencies or even 35mm film slides - they are static images and are definitely not Information technology, just because a computer and a data projector are needed to project them.

    Another more important criticism is that the author did not seem to investigate (or mention) the professors' insights about the potential learning benefits of using IT. From what I understood by reading the paper, the teachers seem to implicitly or explicitly believe that IT has no useful aspects beyond the motivation of the students (to keep them from falling asleep during class). Apart from the fact that such responses could be argued to be a sign that the sample is biased, the major question is, are the students actually learning better/more by using IT or not? IMO teaching cannot be separated from learning. Therefore, I'd like to know explicitly what these professors think the learning outcomes of IT are, and if possible, interview some of their students too to see if they consider they are benefiting from such technologies.

    Finally, I think that four disciplines and 42 teachers are a very very small sample of the USA (and global) academia. However, the data presented should be very alarming to those universities (or secondary schools) that plan providing their students with free iPads just because they are offered free or at a bargain nobody can deny.

  37. Re:You are the one who has it backwards. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    If universities are so suited to the task of educating people, why do they routinely fail to do so? Because they're not, they're basically a "money for degrees" scam, even by your own admission. They are ill-suited to meet the needs of society today. You are basically staring at a mountain of evidence that proves this and saying "if only the students wanted to learn, this would work." It's the logical equivalent of saying "if only elephants were purple, they could fly." You can't prove it's false. Since students need to be able to get a good job after they earn their degree in order to pay back their student loans, of course they will be primarily interested in using the university as a job-training program. It couldn't possibly happen any other way.

  38. Flipped teaching by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't see the point of a lecture anymore. Why not make each class into a movie and show that movie? Then have lab hours to work on the problems.

    This is actually the core of a pretty significant modern trend, "flip teaching" (or "inverted instruction", or a bunch of similar names), in which lecture is done through video (usually delivered online) outside of class time and class time is used for student work with direct instructor interaction, essentially reversing the in-class lecture, out-of-class "homework" model.

    OTOH, if you've spent an entire professional career getting things down under the classical educational model, I can see why you'd be resistant to adopt new models over what you've made work well.

  39. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A professor cannot teach 300,000 people.

    Of course not. But 300,000 people can watch one professor's lecture. Teaching is more than just lecturing, but by delivering the lecture to a mass audience, you can divert a lot of resources into other aspects of teaching.

    That's nothing more than a video presentation, which no more replaces an actual teacher than a book is a substitute for a class.

    So do you also think we shouldn't use books?

    What you're describing isn't bringing technology to school. It's just using technology to send information.

    No it isn't. You should visit a modern "flipped" classroom. The students watch the lectures online at home, and do the "homework" at school. The teachers don't lecture, they teach , mostly one-on-one with any student that is having problems. By using mass lectures, you are not commoditizing education, you are freeing up resources so that you can customize it for each student.

  40. Re:The old college system is not cut out for today by femtoguy · · Score: 2

    I agree. I am a chemistry professor, and have taught both large and small classes, and with and without technology in the classroom. The biggest advantage of technology comes either where face-to-face contact is difficult, or when you need things to scale to large sizes. While the 50 minute lecture is a bit useless (though not much more useless than a 50-minute youtube clip, or a 50-minute animated clip) what really matters in the learning environment is small group student-student and student-teacher interaction. This could in theory be done through chat/web forum/e-mail or whatever, but that is so much less efficient that sitting in a room talking. Where there are students that cannot be physically present, these technologies work. Alternately, if we want to start scaling things up to 1000s of students per class then it could start making sense.

    An interesting example of the (mis)use of technology. I teach a freshman chemistry class with 250 students. We use a multiple-choice test for mid-term assessment, and then do post-exam reviews to help the students. When I first taught the class, I was talking with a colleague about the reviews, and he explained that he would make a DVD using Keynote for visuals. When I asked him how much time he took, he told me that it takes 5-6 hours to make the keynote presentation, record the audio, cut it all together in imovie, and then make the DVD. I quickly realized that if I did 3 50-minute live reviews, it would take me 2 hours less, and would therefore be more efficient, and it would give me the chance to answer questions and get feedback. It seems like the technological solution is better, but is more work for me, not less, and there is no obvious benefit to the students.

  41. Re:You are the one who has it backwards. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    It's a mix. Most students ultimately just do the minimum necessary to succeed in college. They'll never really stand out in their jobs, though sometimes they get promoted to management where they do the least harm. However there are students who get quite a lot out of their education and who do learn stuff. Even if it turns out they never use combinatorics on their job the fact that they took the time to learn it well has helped them train their brains (applies to just about every single class where the bottom half of the class says "this stuff is useless").

    Yes, students occasionally get the clas taught by the poor professor who's just droning from a book. But that does not happen in every class, not even most classes, and yet people still point to that as examples of why things are broken. A student must put in their own effort, especially in upper division classes, and not rely on the professor to spoon feed entertaining education.

  42. Stupid Dichotomy by siwelwerd · · Score: 2

    Professors don't reject technology in general. They reject any particular classroom approach that doesn't fit their needs, whether it is technological or not. The latest fad is Blackboard and other course management systems. They are largely a complete waste of time. It is easier for me to use my rudimentary HTML skills to hack up a webpage with links to syllabi, assignments, etc.

    The one technology I am learning to like is the clickers. One doesn't learn mathematics by watching the professor, one learns it by doing mathematics. The clickers allow me to force my large lecture to work problems in class. It is also helpful in diagnosing their issues when they are too shy/reluctant/embarrassed to ask questions. Automated homework (e.g. WebAssign) is okay; it's kind of lousy for the students, but easy for me to assign/grade.

    As far as comments above about lazy professors just wanting to research and not wanting to teach, our priorities are set by the administration. They will tell us that we are evaluated 50% teaching/50% research, but they are not being honest (with us or themselves). Essentially, if you can speak English and aren't just naturally terrible at teaching, you are better served (from a tenure/promotion perspective) minimizing time spent on teaching so you can maximize the time spent on research. When students demand more focus on teaching, administration will adjust their priorities, but it's hardly the professors who set the rules of the game.

    Yes, IAAP (of mathematics) at a large research university.

  43. I did my master's thesis on this. by Peterus7 · · Score: 2
    So, there are a ton of issues here that I could comment on, but the bit about professors feeling administrators are being paternalistic and refusing it flat out for those reasons is particularly interesting. After having several interviews with a head of Instructional tech at my research college, they told me that the biggest frustration was the tenure system. Tenured professors would always teach they way they had always taught, while instructional technologists at private universities could leverage more control in getting a coherent LMS environment set up. It really seemed like one of the biggest roadblocks for getting cool instructional technology implemented was somewhat political and petty in nature.

    In a similar vein to the bit on smaller colleges, I later interviewed a professor at a community college who was able to implement really awesome instructional tech, and the trick there was to implement it in such a way where it saved professors time and allowed for more functional instruction. Too often it seems like another loop for them to go through, but if they provide the correct scaffolding and support on the academic side, it can be done right. It just rarely is, but that's usually caused by a number of factors all working together to create a really awful e-learning experience.