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CT State Senator Wants To Ban Kids From Using Arcade Guns

New submitter Nyder writes "In a move that is sure to bring tears to the eyes of kids everywhere, Connecticut State Senator Toni Harp proposed a bill in January that would ban anyone younger than 18 from playing 'violent point-and-shoot' video games in arcades or other public establishments. 'The bill also called for research into the effects of violent video games on young minds, through a committee called the Violent Video Game Task Force within the Department of Children and Families. The task force would advise the Governor and General assembly on state programs that "may reduce the effects of violent video games on youth behavior," suggesting before the research was done that violent video games have an effect on children's actions.' Hopefully this won't pass; I guess the video game lobby hasn't paid this Senator enough 'funds' for her campaign."

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  1. Spring is in the Air by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The birds are chirping, and clueless politicians race to implement laws protecting children from video games and other "immoral" behavior.

    1. Re:Spring is in the Air by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      American politicians are too afraid of the NRA nutters to ban real guns. So they want to ban toys.

      The NRA has been doing their part to focus attention on the attention in that direction. As saith Wayne LaPierre himself:

      "And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?"

      (Incidentally, why is it that people who hate video games apparently only revise their lists of horrifying games every 5-10 years? If you are going for 'timeless classics' where the fuck are 'Doom' and 'Postal'. If you are going for relevant, how about a few of the big console shooters that actually have major audiences? C'mon, guys...)

    2. Re:Spring is in the Air by drakaan · · Score: 2

      You sound like you must be from somewhere outside the USA.

      American politicians (most of them, at least) don't care one way or the other about the NRA. What they care about is how they look to the (voting) public. If some jackass mental patient shoots and kills a bunch of kids and the media says it has something to do with assault weapons and video games, then the politicians read about it and say "We must DO something!".

      Banning toys is easy, since there's nothing in the constitution protecting the right of US citizens to own them. No politician wants to have to do something so official and public as voting to remove a constitutional right...that would be political suicide. They're afraid, yes, but not of the NRA.

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    3. Re:Spring is in the Air by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That and the people who would actually be impacted by such a law can not vote. The number of voters who are willing to support votes that restrict people who are not like them is generally greater then the number of voters willing to support votes that benefit people who are not like them. Defending others takes more empathy then defending your own, so most people do not bother.

    4. Re:Spring is in the Air by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2

      No politician wants to have to do something so official and public as voting to remove a constitutional right...that would be political suicide. They're afraid, yes, but not of the NRA.

      That you state the issue in those terms shows how effective the NRA has been.

      Blaming the NRA on not wanting to touch constitutional issues? I don't guess your from the states. Touching the constitution tends to involve stuff like civil wars, race riots, prohibitions that start huge black markets. I'm not saying that abolishing slavery or more voter rights is bad, what I'm saying is, as a politician touching rights issue is dangerous politically and physically. And it has been since pretty much the beginning.

    5. Re:Spring is in the Air by sesshomaru · · Score: 2

      I wish we could talk about the Second Amendment without talking about the NRA, some of us who are in favor of the Second Amendment think that Wayne La Pierre is an addled blowhard.

      Frankly, I still think the NRA's Sandy Hook press conference did more harm than good to the Right to Bear Arms.

      As time passes it looks more and more like Adam Lanza was a Valerie Solanas type (not, Solanis didn't play video games) , a terrorist without a movement. I don't understand why an adult man, who if he was committing armed robbery wouldn't be treated with these kind of kid gloves, gets to avoid responsibility for being fully functional and knowing what he was doing when he turns to terrorism. Most of these guys know exactly what we are doing, I guess we are lucky Christopher Dorner left a manifesto or they'd be blaming him on Grand Theft Auto, too.

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    6. Re:Spring is in the Air by sesshomaru · · Score: 2

      This is good advice, but there's a trend in talking about Sandy Hook that bothers me.

      The thing about Sandy Hook is people keep talking about kids. Well, the only kids involved were being shot at by an adult man. It's not that this isn't good advice, it's that this tendency to infantilize Adam Lanza kind of sickens me.

      If he was committing carjackings on behalf of the Bloods, or was an up and comer in the New York Mafia, would he get the same treatment?

      It bothered me after Columbine, but at least in that case despite the age of the terrorists (who should properly have been thought of as adult terrorists and not children) there was the excuse that they were High School students, Lanza was at least two years past High School, well past the arbitrary age we decide separates adults from children.

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    7. Re:Spring is in the Air by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2

      But the NRA certainly spends a few million a year to lobby in Washington

      So does Planned Parenthood. Amazing what people trying to take your rights away does to open up the checkbooks.

      That you state the issue in those terms shows how effective the NRA has been.

      They got inside his brains!

      You may interested to know that Harp got an "F" on some NRA scorecard, and yet here she is, on the same "video games kill" bandwagon. They must be in her brains too!

      You're a moron. Wayne LaPierre is a moron. Toni Harp is a moron. You're all blithering moral panicky morons.

    8. Re:Spring is in the Air by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you could teach your kids how to safely handle guns. Turn guns into something they understand instead of some mystery object that works like a cartoon. That way when your kid runs across one outside of your home, they don't try to see the bullets come out by looking down the barrel. You don't get rid of all your fire toys (like candles) when you have a child. You teach your kid not to play with fire only in controlled conditions like at birthdays. Thinking that you can't teach your kid to respect the dangers of a gun is just silly.

    9. Re:Spring is in the Air by Applekid · · Score: 2

      Better yet, get rid of your guns when you have children. Anyone who thinks locking them up is going to prevent kids from getting hold of a gun 24/7 for 18 years is deluding themselves.

      While we're at it, get rid of your knives, cleaning chemicals, oven, washing machine, bookcases, coffee table, electrical outlets, etc.

      18,000 kids are injured each year from a TV falling onto them. Compare to how many are shooting themselves by playing with a gun that the careless adults should have taught to respect instead.

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    10. Re:Spring is in the Air by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      yeah but the politicians want to tie it to kids because of lanza's upbringing.. It's spurious bullshit of course. I wonder what it is about CT that spawns such idiocy. Lieberman and Dodd were pulling this crap with Mortal Kombat back in 91.

    11. Re:Spring is in the Air by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      I wish we could talk about the Second Amendment without talking about the NRA, some of us who are in favor of the Second Amendment think that Wayne La Pierre is an addled blowhard.

      Even some of us who are NRA members also think that Wayne La Pierre is an addled blowhard. NRA itself has many useful functions beyond lobbying and propaganda; and for the latter, I see it as an unfortunate necessary evil to counter mindless drivel that comes from Brady's (the level of argumentation for both NRA and Brady's propaganda is about the same, and is equally inane - but that's what people listen to, as opposed to detailed 20-page studies on the subject with graphs and numbers). But they - and specifically Wayne - have definitely botched the handling of Sandy Hook.

    12. Re:Spring is in the Air by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      You are fooling yourself. We are not cavemen. Most people have no need to ever handle fire on their own. You don't need it to cook. You don't need it to stay warm. You don't need it for light. In the places that it is used, like inside your engine, there is no reason that your average person needs access to the fire itself.

      Fire has the sole purpose of burning. So, what's your point.

  2. Hey, why not? by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They want to ban firearms for purely cosmetic features that make no difference between it and other models, why not? Who said laws have to make sense, they clearly don't with nutter Diane Feinsteins gun bill.

    1. Re:Hey, why not? by flayzernax · · Score: 2

      That something could be programs that get more well defended, empowered, employed (at a reasonable working wage and hours, not this bullshit bank inflationary lotto ticket job economy), happy. Healthy people. People not being victimized by their elected officials. People not afraid to protect themselves and govern themselves. People with energy and liberty. Science, space programs, spiritual development. Education. Citizens participating with police in progressive non-violent ways to stop these problems before they arise through... more education...

      I mean, that politician could be voted for. I would vote for them. I don't see why banning things and creating new laws is the only option.

      This is something, after all, and therefore it must be done. Is a very flawed, sick, illogical, and insane argument.

    2. Re:Hey, why not? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, but the AR-15 was developed by a guy named 'Stoner'. Coincidence, or evidence of the secret violence behind the hippy agenda?

  3. pedophiles by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Communists, "gun violence", video games, SARS, terrorists, jesus fucking christ. I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to fall into line for the scare of the day anymore.

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  4. Re:cowboys and indians? by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cowboys? No. Emancipation demands you make it gender neutral: Cowperson.
    Indians? No. Native Americans.

    Cowpersons and Native Americans. And you cannot pretend to shoot with a wooden stick anymore. Welcome to the land of the free :-)

  5. Re:cowboys and indians? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    And you cannot pretend to shoot with a wooden stick anymore. Welcome to the land of the free :-)

    Children will also be banned from playing games involving driving a motor vehicle. They'll have to get their driving license first!

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  6. Is the elephant in the china shop... by craznar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...invisible or something?

    How on earth can a country be so contradictory?

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    1. Re:Is the elephant in the china shop... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

      The guy is placating parents. The media loves to blame these mass shootings on video games... these blinking screens that are turning your children into mindless psychopaths.

      So he's hoping for the "Thank god SOMEBODY is finally thinking of the children" vote.

      It's possible this guy is also against guns in general, but even if not... that's obviously not the issue in a lot of parents eyes. It's "protect my baby... from myself... since I can't stop myself from buying him violent games"

  7. 17 with parental consent? by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 2

    Maybe 17-year olds could be allowed to play with parental consent. After all, they are allowed to join the army and use real guns to kill real people.

    1. Re:17 with parental consent? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Comrade, the people that the army kills are not real people.

  8. Heh by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Video game guns now more illegal than real ones.

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  9. Guns don't kill people ... by wylderide · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... Gun shaped video game controllers kill people.

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  10. No link? Then research it again. by McGregorMortis · · Score: 2

    And you'll keep on researching it, until you give us the answer we want.

  11. What do you offer in trade, Senator? by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll be happy to let you ban violent video games if you and your peers are willing to lighten up about, oh... let's say bare breasts appearing on television. Frankly, I'm beyond tired of the dichotomy, wherein a person's insides, blown all over the place by gunfire/explosions, is fit for all ages, but the naked human form (the outside of it, at least) is not.

  12. Give it a rest Senator by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't think of too many gun related massacres which were the direct result of "violent video games". In fact, most were the result of mentally unstable people coming into possession of a some type of device to cause harm -- not just guns. I think a lot of the tragedies could have been prevented had people close to the murderer(s) taken responsible action, early on, when harmful behavior was exhibited:

    Most people can "Doom away" 24x7 and have no problem separating fantasy from reality. A small portion cannot. That same small portion who cannot will result to whatever means is at their disposal when they become unstable. Banning guns, video games, magazine capacities, does not address the core issue and actually ignores it.

    Role playing is important for healthy mental growth. Video games aid in that role playing for most healthy individuals. Prohibition isn't going to fix anything. Never does.

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  13. More importantly by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More importantly, lets have a study regarding the effects of the united states having troops in nearly every country on earth, being involved in at least 3 wars simultaneously, and the US military glamorizing their profession through television and news adds. If you want to stop gun violence, stop putting rifles into the hands of teenagers and sending them into 3rd world countries to "keep the peace" I don't think playing Halo or hunting squirls with their dads are having anywhere near the effect of what the US governments planting into their heads about guns and "justified violence"

    1. Re:More importantly by AntiBasic · · Score: 2

      >More importantly, lets have a study regarding the effects of the united states having troops in nearly every country on earth

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

      We have troops in 25 countries (not counting territories), not "nearly ever country on earth."

      >being involved in at least 3 wars simultaneously

      lol wut?

      >US military glamorizing their profession through television and news adds.

      You're right. They shouldn't advertise. The gubmint should make service mandatory. This would only be a bad thing when those republicans are in office though.

      >stop putting rifles into the hands of teenagers

      The average age for most military personnel is nearly 30. http://www.statisticbrain.com/demographics-of-active-duty-u-s-military/

      >sending them into 3rd world countries to "keep the peace"

      The largest number of troops are stationed in first world Europe, South Korea and Japan.

      You're reasoning isn't consistent but at least you're conformist rebel attitude is.

  14. Re:Only in America by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    It's particularly curious when you consider that the US constitution also includes robust speech protections, so it isn't as though this is a 'Well, one is constitutionally protected and the other isn't, our hands are tied here' thing The speech protections don't even include that cryptic stuff about well regulated militias.

  15. Re:cowboys and indians? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Dag nabbit! We want easy answers to complicated problems. Better if it can fit in a line of twitter.

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  16. "Ban Kids From Using Arcade Guns" by emho24 · · Score: 2

    Can we instead ban politicians from speaking?

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  17. Really? "Sheep by law"??? by Gription · · Score: 2

    Yes the solution is to make sure that all people are helpless (by law). That will keep them safe! ... So when a person goes wacko (crazy enough to ignore those laws) they will be ... Uhhh ...
    Wait, that isn't turning out the way it was intended.

    Well the police will keep us safe! Yes because when all of those violent crimes happen the police are there to save us! ... Uhhhh ...
    Wait, that was on those episodes of 24 and Hawaii Five-0. On the news the police show up much later and they sometimes figure out who did what to whom (much later...).


    Wake up. We live in the safest time in history. Idiot politicians are trying to legislate safety. I have a secret for you: Life has a 100% mortality rate. The "Safety" they are trying to legislate is a feeling.
    What business do politicians have trying to legislate safety? They aren't are our nanny's and a government is not a responsible organization. If you had children who made the same choices regarding spending money and honesty you would ground them for life.

    Lets talk about outlawing something that is a mass contributor to unhealthful living conditions and is responsible for a number of deaths each year (even when done in a safe fashion). It wastes natural resources at an astounding rate. Lets outlaw it!
    A smaller percentage of the country pursues it has a past time the those that pursue shooting as a past time. Doctors used to recommend that people with sever asthma or other lung ailments move to Tucson, AZ (and similar places) because of low pollen counts. So they moved there and then people built golf courses and Tucson no longer had low pollen counts.

    Trying to legislate safety by outlawing something that is generally safe because it could conceivably done to cause harm is a direct destruction of liberty, unpatriotic, stupidly insane, and tyrannical. Read up on what Franklin had to say about safety.

    1. Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2

      Not exactly.

      We'll give you all the minorities that we either imported as slaves, or close to slave like conditions, and then performed systematic racism against for decades and we'll see what happens to your murder rate. The non-minority murder rate in the U.S. is much closer to the U.K. even with our guns, so something doesn't add up.

      Therefore applying a U.K. answer to a U.S. problem is not going to have the intended effect.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/datablog/2012/apr/12/london-knife-crime

    2. Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? by buybuydandavis · · Score: 2

      But what's the rate of assault?

      Sam Harris has a violence FAQ, comparing violent crime rates versus homicides. The homicide rates are higher in the US, but for every extra US homicide, there are 20 extra UK assaults. Is that a good trade off?

    3. Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? by alva_edison · · Score: 2

      Yes the solution is to make sure that all people are helpless (by law). That will keep them safe! ... So when a person goes wacko (crazy enough to ignore those laws) they will be ... Uhhh ...
      Wait, that isn't turning out the way it was intended.

      In the UK, handguns are banned for civilians. And most police don't carry firearms either. So in your mind, everyone is helpless. Result? A homicide rate a quarter of the USA.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

      The UK is about the size and density of New York + New Jersey + Pennsylvania. With the vast majority of access being through controlled ports. Both of those make black markets for guns difficult.
      Contrast with Brazil, gun ownership is illegal for most private citizens (there's limited exceptions for certain things like armed guards). However, they are much higher on the list in your link than the U.S. One of the main reasons I've seen is that the large Amazon border allows guns to be smuggled in to drug cartels. How much of the Canadian and Mexican border do you think is sufficiently secured?

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    4. Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

      http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

      "After 1991, the victimization rate for blacks fell until 1999, when it stabilized near 20 homicides per 100,000."

      "In 2008, the o ending rate for blacks (24.7 oenders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 oenders per 100,000) ( figure 18)."

      The 3.4 offenders per 100,000 is slightly lower than Europe's 3.5 rate per 100,000. So, we clearly have a race problem in the United States. The reality is that we have reaped what was sown centuries before with slavery and continue to exacerbate the problem with public policy. I would like to thank our European ancestors for planting the seed of slavery and colonization... that is the real root of the problem and the one we have to clean up.

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    5. Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? by Applekid · · Score: 2

      But what's the rate of assault?

      Sam Harris has a violence FAQ, comparing violent crime rates versus homicides. The homicide rates are higher in the US, but for every extra US homicide, there are 20 extra UK assaults. Is that a good trade off?

      Thank you. When people whip out the crime statistics to prove how much safer we'd be without firearms, notice they always always stop right after homicide. All other crime? Well, what's a little terror in your life... your life we saved by banning firearms donchaknow.

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  18. God Save Us If We Ever Have A Land War by littlewink · · Score: 2

    Few people know how to shoot a rifle today. Imagine a population that knows nothing about firearms and becomes engaged in a land war. Bringing troops to the ready will be extremely difficult.

    Estimates are that during the Vietnam War 30K-60K bullets were fired for every enemy casualty. In Iran and Afghanistan they speak of a quarter of a million rounds per enemy casualty. To some degree these poor numbers can be laid to "cover fire" but it also cannot be denied that the average army grunt is nowhere as skilled a shot as his grandfather.

    Contrast the Civil War (estimates 500 shots/kill) where the largely rural South had an advantage over the urban North because their soldiers had been hunting and shooting all their lives.

  19. Re:cowboys and indians? by Applekid · · Score: 2

    So, like during the 80's, the solution is clear. Children should have the tips of their fingers painted fluorescent orange.

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  20. Re: cowboys and indians? by Migraineman · · Score: 2

    I have personally survived two home invasions ... both occurred while I was home. One was in New York outside of Albany. The other was in the suburbs of Washington DC. Your unwillingness to accept the reality of the situation is not justification to dictate what my defensive posture should or shouldn't be.

  21. Re:cowboys and indians? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    A shotgun is used for sporting purposes, home defense, and is all but useless as a first-strike or assault weapon.

    Shotguns (yes, pump-action ones) have been used in a first-strike, offensive role by most armies since WW1. Winchester 1897, one of the most popular shotguns out there, was used by US Army soldiers to clear out trenches back then, and has earned the nickname "trench sweeper". It's much more efficient at it than your typical rifle, because it's easier to aim in CQB, and is far more deadly against unarmored targets.

    If one of those idiots who perpetrate those mass shootings actually puts some thinking into his preparations, and comes to a movie theater or a school with a shotgun instead of an AR, we're likely to see far higher body counts - fewer wounded, and far more dead.

    Hunting rifles should be legal under the same age restrictions, but for use ONLY with a valid hunting permit. Without one, you should be fined and have the gun temporarily confiscated if it leaves your own property without a permit. Upon payment of the permit, you get your hunting rifle back.

    So people would just buy hunting permits for the sole purpose of legally owning and transporting guns then. As a matter of fact, that's what I already do - as a "nonimmigrant alien", the Federal law requires me to possess a "valid reason" to own a firearm, hunting being one of them - and so I need to present my hunting license every time I buy a gun. I get my hunting license from Alaska every year - bought for $30 online and mailed directly to me. I've never set foot there and likely never will. That's exactly how it'll work for everyone else if they implement what you propose.

    There are no other firearms a civilian has ANY valid use case to own. Any. Ever. Period.

    Are you suggesting that people should carry shotguns to defend themselves when they're assaulted while not at their residence?