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Growing Public Unrest Leads China To Admit To 'Cancer Villages'

eldavojohn writes "A new report from China's environment ministry has resulted in long-overdue self-realizations as well as possible explanations for 'cancer villages.' The term refers to villages (anywhere from 247 to 400 known of them) that have increased cancer rates due to pollution from nearby factories and industry. The report revealed that many harmful chemicals that are prohibited and banned in developed nations are still found in China's water and air. Prior research has shown a direct correlation between industrialization/mining and levels of poisonous heavy metals in water. As a result, an air pollution app has grown in popularity and you can see the pollution from space. China has also released a twelve-year plan for environmental protection."

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  1. Typo Last Sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    China has also released a twelve-year plan for environmental protection.

    Should read:

    China has also released their twelfth five-year plan for environmental protection.

    My apologies!

  2. Cancer cities, next? by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    after my wife returned from China, and told me about the red air, it seems like a possibility now.

    1. Re:Cancer cities, next? by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      In other news, according to the Chinese government, the red air is just propaganda highlighting China's communistic heritage.

  3. Industrial revolution standard procedure by Gabrill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've maintained for years that China, Mexico, and similar countries going though industrial booms are simply in early stages of industrial revolution. Next we shall see environmental, wage, and health reforms, as these countries realize the need for sustainable management of their labor base.

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    1. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by DFurno2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      When can we begin shipping our politicians their way?

    2. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Issue is that just because start of the road is the same for them, assuming that they will end up at the same goal is quite strange. East Asian countries have a very different culture, with very different approach to even most basic of things. Expecting them to end up at the same goal is rather ignorant to say the least.

    3. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't you read Gabrill's post? They are trying to cut DOWN on pollutants.

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    4. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ya, but it seems, the states & Europe got the best of the globe's tolerance for pollution, I don't think we can expect the same weather if every single country in the world goes through an "industrial revolution" adding to the accumulating pollution.

    5. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I spent a few weeks in China with an anthropologist friend. We'd go to National Parks and preserves and such, only to find that someone had built a roller coaster or slide or some other tourist attraction in them. My friend explained that the Chinese culture doesn't have a particular appreciation for nature in its raw state; that rather than seeing "pristineness" as a virtue in itself, the Chinese kind of see it as a null state, such that a pristine area can always be improved by adding something to it.

      Then again, other than freaks like Thoreau, most Americans weren't out hugging trees at the beginning of our Industrial Revolution either. We were busy chopping them down to build places to live out of them. (And anybody who knows the history of Niagara Falls can understand the idea of "cancer villages" quite easily...)

    6. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then again, other than freaks like Thoreau, most Americans weren't out hugging trees at the beginning of our Industrial Revolution either.

      Bingo. This idea that "asian culture" is so different from "western culture" is just intellectually lazy. Sure there are differences, but fundamentally people are people, they all want the same stuff - food, air, water, sex, sleep, security, health, family, respect, creativity, etc.

      The sort of reforms we saw that came in on the western industrial revolution aren't culturally specific, they are human-specific. The implementations will surely vary along with the timelines, but the end result will be the same because if it does not get to a similar point of satisifying universal human needs, it will collapse because the humans won't tolerate it indefinitely.

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    7. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've maintained for years that China, Mexico, and similar countries going though industrial booms are simply in early stages of industrial revolution. Next we shall see environmental, wage, and health reforms, as these countries realize the need for sustainable management of their labor base.

      Actually, they are in the LATE stages of the industrial revolution (as any casual use of Google Earth would reveal). They are entering that state where increased disposable income and increased levels of education cause individual citizens making purchasing choices that drive the economy in a direction of more open-ness, more freedom, and more environmental responsibility. These people enter government and start working toward taking care of the environment.

      Progress is slow, but this is exactly the predicted pattern that has been seen all over the world as prosperity and education increase, people start taking better care of their environment, investments, and themselves. Much of the west went thru this in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. You rarely hear of smog alerts in the US any more. They used to be common and long lasting in the past. You actually see clear skylines over most cities these days. Hell, even the Hudson river is recovering.

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    8. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by Jeeeb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong are all East Asian nations (or special administrative areas) which are to varying degrees culturally similar to China and provide good examples of this. South Korea and Taiwan are particularly dramatic examples of moving from autocratic to democratic government. Although it is not in East Asia, you could also add Singapore and Malaysia to this list. Singapore interestingly still has an autocratic government, while (less developed) Malaysia is in a kind of transitional phase towards proper democracy. They all have cleaned up their environment a lot as citizen awareness and sensitivity towards environmental problems has increased.

    9. Re:Industrial revolution standard procedure by gandhi_2 · · Score: 2

      I'm from Utah.

      I was quite shocked to see amusement park rides at State Parks in some states East of Mississippi.

      I grew up thinking that State Parks were semi-sacred natural places like National Parks. And that's in conservative, consumptive-model-of-natural-resourse-management, Utah.

  4. Lest we become hypocrites... by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:Lest we become hypocrites... by Gabrill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem isn't mismanagement. It's lack of management. Industrial oversight is not intuitive to new industrial booms, because the short term profit will always outweigh the long term unseen consequences until they come to light.

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    2. Re:Lest we become hypocrites... by poity · · Score: 2

      I realize you're trying to be tolerant of a different country, but being accommodating to corruption and lack of management is not the moral kind of tolerance. China has been booming for over 30 years, and people have an expectation for a certain quality of life, yet instead of supporting them we see excuses. Imagine Slashdot Europeans reading about inferior labor protections in the US and waiving it off, or even telling other Europeans they should not say anything about the US because of their own countries' prior lackluster history in labor protection. Utterly unfathomable, but this is what we see when the topic is about China.

      Industrial oversight is not intuitive as you say, but that's only because modern industrial oversight is NOT based on intuition -- it's based on past knowledge on well-documented cases and sound practices grounded in very basic science. One does not need intuition to have proper oversight, one needs only to heed operational standards that are publicly available. This is why Chinese protesters are out there protesting: knowledge that is KNOWN is not heeded.

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  5. China will soon have a plan for clean-up... by swschrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    as soon as they hack the EPA.

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    1. Re:China will soon have a plan for clean-up... by letherial · · Score: 2

      Koch bro has only our interest at heart, they really care....they really do!

      really!

  6. Low low Walmart prices by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are feathering our environmental nest at home and stocking our shelves from unregulated hell holes.

    At some point this evacuation of our industrial base to China will emerge as a moral issue. It's already an employment issue for the working class and a fiscal issue for the nation, but neither of those seem to comfortable office people and the ruling class.

    Maybe the shame of all this will.

    Importing from regimes that do not have equivalent regulatory rigor is exploitation.

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    1. Re:Low low Walmart prices by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many nations that are close enough. There's no need to seal our borders, just avoid the worst offenders, in particular the ones that have at some point introduced poison into the food supply.

  7. Re:Seen from space = BS by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't see clean air from space - it is clear. You can see heavily polluted air, though. The idea is that there are so many pollutants that the effect is visible on a large scale - you can see where it is heavier and where it is lighter (or completely not present, though I suspect little of China's populated area has truly clean air).

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  8. 12 year plan leaked! by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    It says "In twelve years there will be no environment left to protect. So carry on"

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  9. Still waiting.. by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where's the explanation on how the free market is going to fix this problem without the need for burdensome regulation? Anyone? Anyone?

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    1. Re:Still waiting.. by chrylis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because I just can't resist feeding trolls, a free market is dependent on property rights. In a free market, those whose air, water, or land was polluted could take the polluters to court, and in fact government protection of polluters has been a consistent feature in wide-scale environmental problems.

    2. Re:Still waiting.. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      No, government needs to do its job -- stopping people from wrecking what they don't own. The confusion is with you, not the libertarian concept.

      Ironically, a fine use for democracy is determining how much pollution is fine. Too much, degrades life. Too much regulation, also degrades life by lagging development. During the industrial revolution, lifespans skyrocketted even as London choked with smoke.

      Someone demanding a slowdown would have killed more than they would have saved.

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    3. Re:Still waiting.. by vux984 · · Score: 2

      In a free market, those whose air, water, or land was polluted could take the polluters to court

      The victims would have to establish that they have been harmed. And we all know how easy it is to prove that the cancer you got was because of the pollution from a particular factory, and not the other factory down the road owned by someone else, or perhaps something else entirely.

      Good luck individually suing a city full of factories because collectively you think they caused your cancer.

      And that's assuming a remotely fair fight. It won't be. Because collectively they have more money to hire more and better lawyers then you do.

      And that's not even considering that you are out of work, sick, and have expensive health bills to cover... what with the cancer and all.

    4. Re:Still waiting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, government needs to do its job -- stopping people from wrecking what they don't own. The confusion is with you, not the libertarian concept.

      Ironically, a fine use for democracy is determining how much pollution is fine. Too much, degrades life. Too much regulation, also degrades life by lagging development. During the industrial revolution, lifespans skyrocketted even as London choked with smoke.

      Someone demanding a slowdown would have killed more than they would have saved.

      If you take the position that people own the air on their property, and have the right to prohibit other people from dumping gases into the open air that get on that property, then anyone owning property has the right to prevent any combustion.

      If you say, "the owner failed to secure your property against unwanted gases, their bad," then a corollary is I have the right to release nerve gas on my property next door to the 10 million dollar factory.

      What most libertarians say is, " the guy owning the factory can pollute, and you can't release nerve gas, because in the first you are taking someone's property rights away to help the overall good." Then they say, "Taxing someone to pay for medical care for a condition made more likely by pollution is a violation the the taxed person's property rights."

      The conclusion you have to draw is that the government can allow people to be killed for the overall good, and prevent people from exercising any self defense rights against polluters, but taxing people to prevent pay to death is a step too far. I do not follow this logic.

  10. Re:Don't Worry by lgw · · Score: 2

    Don't worry once China has to enact those bothersome environmental and safety laws that cut into profits the corporations will move on to the next 3rd world country.

    Yes they will - and that's how progress happens! There are a finite number of places that haven't finished their industrial revolution yet, and this just speeds the process along. Eventually, the whole world will have made it to the good side of the industrial revolution, and that's not at all a bad thing.

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  11. Re:They chose their path in 1989 - despotism by icebike · · Score: 2

    No I did not overlook Tiananmen, which happened 23 years ago, the same year as the Exxon Valdez disaster, and the US invasion of Panama.

    This is not a political issue, it is an economic issue.

    My point is that it is simply ridiculous to state that China is just now entering the industrial revolution, when the truth is that China is in the later stages of that revolution, and is quietly entering a social revolution, which is being allowed to happen by the (nominally) communist government.

    Contrary to your assertion, I don't expect any violent upheaval in China, nor do I expect progress toward greater freedom and environmental responsibility to slow. China has never known democracy as we understand it in the west. Yet for the average Chinese citizen these are the Good Old Times. They have never had it so good in their long history. They have always lived in a feudal serfdom. It will take perhaps 50 years but they will eventually get to current western standards.

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  12. Re:It Also Does Directly Affect the US by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

    ...which also doesn't work. I think people just aren't designed to grasp a community as big as the one we have. When you live in a village, you see the consequences of your actions, so you avoid shitting in the pond. Today, we have no idea where our shit comes from and who's dying in the manufacturing process. It's not just that there's no available time in our lives to inspect what we buy (both because we buy too much crap and because our time is limited and information simply isn't readily available). We don't even follow politics anymore, because everything is too big and bureaucratic. We can dismiss everything because we live very abstracted lives, so lots of people do it.