Slashdot Mirror


Why Working Remotely Needs To Make a Comeback

silentbrad writes sends this excerpt from a blog post about the history of working from home: "Remote working has existed for centuries. And now is the perfect time for its comeback. ... Prior to the Industrial Revolution, goods were manufactured by contracting individual craftsmen who worked out of their homes. The merchant would drum up sales, and would coordinate the production with at-home sub-contractors. ... This all changed with the Industrial Revolution: production was centralized in factories and cities. For merchant capitalists, this made sense: it was cheaper and more efficient to produce goods in one place, with machinery. ... We've been in the Information Age for at least 25 years. We've made huge leaps in technology. Many of us would describe ourselves as Knowledge Workers: we don't work in factories, we work at desks in front of glowing screens. We don't make goods with physical materials, but rather things made out of bits. The great thing about bits + the internet is that the materials and means needed for production aren't dependent on location. But here's the funny thing: the way work is organized hasn't changed. Despite all these advances, most of us still work in central offices. Employees leave their computer-equipped homes and drive long distances to work at computer-equipped offices. ... CEOs, like Yahoo's Marissa Mayer and Apple's Steve Jobs, think that a central office fosters more innovation and productivity. I think they're wrong. We're still early in the research, but recent studies seem to dispute their claim. ... Managers have developed centuries worth of habits based on the central workplace. The hallmarks of office work (meetings, cubicle workstations, colocation) need to be seen for what they are: traditions we've kept alive since the Industrial Revolution. We need to question these institutions: are they really more innovative and efficient?"

84 of 455 comments (clear)

  1. Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I certainly feel I'm much more effective in the quiet of my own home vs. the open-plan chaotic environment called "the office".

    1. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must not have kids.

    2. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's nothing more depressing than a cube farm. There's a reason Office Space resonates. How on earth could it be a better solution than anything else?

      It seems painfully obvious to me, and I don't know why others think it's better. I just don't.

    3. Re:Noisy annoying environment by dynamo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn right. I spent a decade in various cube farm environments, they are horrible, productivity-killing and soul-killing places. Never Again.
      Cubes are just a half assed attempt to pretend people have privacy when they don't. give them tables, give them offices, or admit you don't have enough space.

    4. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope. Lots of us don't. Should we be punished for not being able to work from a home office due to our having produced screaming larvae?

    5. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, yes you should...

    6. Re:Noisy annoying environment by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must not have kids.

      Or, alternatively, lock the sound-proof door of your study.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    7. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      We homeschool our child, so he has the proper social skills to know that during the workday, you make noise in places other than where a person is working. For those who have been "socialized" by going to public school, they are not at home during the day anyway, so either way, having kids doesn't really come into the equation.

    8. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since I use a Mac or Solaris I guess I'll always have a room without Windows.

      --
      http://www.rootstrikers.org/
    9. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cube farms aren't that bad. For you to say such a thing, you obviously have never worked in an "open-plan office environment", a.k.a. "bullpen". Just in case you haven't seen these in person, basically there's no walls at all, or at best there's cubicle walls separating your "team" from other "teams", but no walls between you and 6-10 cow-orkers. So any time one of them starts talking about some stupid sports game, or someone comes to visit one of them, or they use the phone, you get to be interrupted by their conversation. What's really obnoxious is when some boss person or someone from marketing comes over and wants to have a chit-chat with some of the people in your group about something not related to work, and parks his ugly butt on your desk right next to you while you're trying to work.

      Think headphones will help? Try it, and find out what a heart attack feels like when some asshole comes up behind you and taps you on the shoulder to get your attention.

      Add in a horribly noisy A/C unit in the ceiling above that stays on continuously all day long, and you'll go surely insane.

    10. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At one of my previous jobs, I got stuck in an "open plan" office, aka bullpen. The management always told us how great it was because it fostered "collaboration" (even though I never had any need to collaborate with my coworkers, as we all worked on different projects). Strangely, these same managers had walled offices with windows and doors.

    11. Re:Noisy annoying environment by broohaha · · Score: 3

      No one is talking about punishing those with kids. It's an observation based on the "quiet of my own home" quote.

    12. Re:Noisy annoying environment by codegen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The move to open concept happened when the IRS changed the rules for deductions of renovations (i.e. from a short period of time to a very long period of time). But some companies are still willing to go the distance. Before I moved back to academia, I spent 5 1/2 years in the private sector at a company that "got it". The research team had individual offices that we could shut the doors to block out distraction. The development team were two to an office because we were running a hybrid process of team programming. But they could still close their doors to block out distraction. The only people that ended up in an open area were the summer interns because we couldn't justify a year round office for 4 months of seasonal work. It was amazing how productive we could be. In one project that I managed, we did a migration of 200,000 lines of COBOL to Java in about 3 months (2 months planning 1 month execution, total of 4 developers and 1 reasearcher). It amazes me that the people who run these companies are willing to take the hit in productivity that cube farms generate. The smaller city we were in was considerably cheaper for office space than the big cities, but still...

      --
      Atlas stands on the earth and carries the celestial sphere on his shoulders.
    13. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The reason cubicle farms exist is an outgrowth of the incompetence of management. Managers do not know how to effectively manage their staff and think by "keeping an eye on them by virtue of being in their assigned seat" is an effective approach to management. In an office environment I have seen my manager less than 1% of the time yet if I dared asked permission to work from home I could except immediate termination or worse. And what is this non-sense of a fixed workday whereby I must be in the office between 8AM and 5PM regardless of the fact my work for that particular day was completed and signed-off by noon? Great, now I have to spend the next five hours appearing busy when in reality I am surfing /. trying to stay awake.

    14. Re:Noisy annoying environment by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. When I'm working on a project at home, I lock the door and wear headphones. Sure the kids get annoyed that I'm unavailable, but they'll get over it. I'm far more productive when I'm able to just focus without the distractions of the office.

    15. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Seumas · · Score: 2

      If you don't have children, your job is to work in an office and cover for all the time the people with kids take off every week for PTA meetings. And doctor appointments. And picking the kids up early. And taking the kids late on half days. And leaving early to take the kids to birthday parties and soccer practice. And staying home because the kids are sick.

    16. Re:Noisy annoying environment by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Think headphones will help? Try it, and find out what a heart attack feels like when some asshole comes up behind you and taps you on the shoulder to get your attention.

      But a small convex desk mirror on your monitor.
      Use noise canceling headphones.

      This isn't rocket science people.

    17. Re:Noisy annoying environment by TheABomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. You must sit in a cube farm all day within earshot of the eleventy hens cackling about their kids.

      Otherwise, whom will they pawn their work off upon?

      --
      MSIE: The world's most standards-complaint web browser.
    18. Re:Noisy annoying environment by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My work relies on collaboration and the bullpen approach actually works well, as does keeping management locked in an office somewhere. When management is out here "collaborating" they aren't managing, they are micro-managing, one of the worlds greatest project killers.

    19. Re:Noisy annoying environment by countach74 · · Score: 4, Informative

      All of these problems magically go away when a flexible telecommute arrangement is made.

    20. Re:Noisy annoying environment by wakeboarder · · Score: 2

      I'm in a cubicle farm with a small group, and for my profession this is not too common, but it does foster collaboration. I have to be around at work, which is sad but its the only way to work on prototypes.

    21. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...which leads to a point for those of us who are childless:

      I get a *shitload* more work done here at home (no kids, just dogs) than I do in an office full of people yapping, project managers who love to stop by unannounced to slip in extra things to do (at home I can conveniently ignore IM and email until you have time to deal with them), and other team members who want their particular ancillary crap done right now! (and hey, since you're right there...)

      Yeah - much prefer working at home.

      Recently (as in, Friday), some executive in my company decided that telecommuting must die. Probably read it in some shiny CxO magazine or something. In one fell swoop, he has managed to force those of us who work remotely to take a pay cut (the money now goes into the gas tank), waste hours otherwise spent tidying up things a little late (because now we're commuting), and in general shoving morale into the toilet. Mind you, my commute is 80 miles long in each direction.

      Maybe I'm bitching, but I average 2-3 (FT, not contract) offers each month from headhunters. I usually turn them down immediately since none to date had telecommuting as an option. If I have to make the drive anyway, I may as well get a bigger paycheck out of the deal, so the next offers that come down the pike...

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    22. Re:Noisy annoying environment by Ritchie70 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have one child (almost 10 months old.)

      When working from home, I work in the same general area of the house as where she and my wife are playing, watching TV, reading, and doing all that other stuff you do with a baby. I change most of her diapers while I'm there, and sometimes I take a meeting or do work with her sitting on my lap happily burbling away and grabbing at the keyboard.

      And I'm still more productive than when stuck in my dismal, 1989 cubicle. (It really is that old; I found the manufacturer's sticker inside the cabinet.)

      Some of it is workplace noise. Some of it is that I can wear t-shirt and jeans, or shorts if it's warm, and no socks or shoes. Some of it is that I'm just happier with my family than without them.

      I'm trying to train my workplace that they don't need to see me more than once a week. I think I'm slowly getting there. My boss doesn't care so long as the work gets done, but higher up the food chain it gets stickier.

      --
      The preferred solution is to not have a problem.
    23. Re:Noisy annoying environment by swillden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Think headphones will help? Try it, and find out what a heart attack feels like when some asshole comes up behind you and taps you on the shoulder to get your attention.

      Etiquette where I work, in an open plan environment (Google), is that you get someone's attention by IMing them. Yes, my teammate who sits right next to me, less than three feet away, often sends me an instant message to ask a question. I respond by yanking off my headphones and turning to face him. It's weird, I suppose, but it works, providing both easy collaboration and strong isolation, as necessary.

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    24. Re:Noisy annoying environment by houghi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I really like it. If people want to ask me a question, they can come to me. This can be from my team or from another department. That way we can easily answer questions. Better then to send back and forth emails all day.
      And if people want to talk about sports and they have time, please let them. I do not care, so I do not listen. People who talk to each other about different things will get along better. This tends to increase the understanding of each other, which will help understand each other later when you have different opinions about a project and it will be easier to find a common ground for a solution.

      You will be more open to ideas from others. A bit like how open source works.

      And as it does not disturb me, I do not even hear them talking about some silly sports game or childbirth process if I do not want to.

      One department where I work everybody is quiet there. No private talking. Nothing. That is how the manager wants it. To the majority of the people this feels extremely unhealthy. As if somebody just died. As a result we have problems finding people for that department. Internally nobody wants to go there. Externally people leave as fast as we can hire them.

      Sitting on somebodies desk is not something we EVER do. We have enough chairs so it s easy to just pull up a chair.
      When you are on the phone and they are too loud, you just say so. There is no shame in saying thing like that to anybody, including the CEO, because we already know each other and have spoken to each other. SO I know how I must talk to him or her.
      Most of the time I just hold up my hand, point to my phone and they will stop. People who are with my back to me will be told to be quiet and either they stop the conversation or take a coffee or whatever.

      All a non-issue, because we know how to communicate.

      What you have is no communication. Due to this the small things start to bother you. This will grow and grow till it explodes. In the mean time your work will be going down, because you can not concentrate.

      Bit like a mosquito in the room. You can not sleep from that, but you will not wake up from the traffic outside. This because you focus on it.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    25. Re:Noisy annoying environment by JMandingo · · Score: 2

      I have kids and telecommute. My office is on the second floor - a one-room addition over the garage. The door to the stairs has a stiff spring on it to keep it closed. Anyone who wants to talk to me has to be willing to climb a flight of stairs and be physically able to open that door. Problem solved.

      --
      Vonnegut was right: Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are, "It might have been."
    26. Re:Noisy annoying environment by JMandingo · · Score: 2

      I worked in a bullpen for several years. We used to have awesome wars with toy dart guns with the rubber suction cups on the end of the darts. It was quite jarring to be concentrating on some code only to be suddenly popped in the face. It got so that any time somebody opened a desk drawer everyone jerked their eyes up to see if they were pulling out a gun.

      --
      Vonnegut was right: Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are, "It might have been."
    27. Re:Noisy annoying environment by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you don't have children, your job is to work in an office and cover for all the time the people with kids take off every week for PTA meetings. And doctor appointments. And picking the kids up early. And taking the kids late on half days. And leaving early to take the kids to birthday parties and soccer practice. And staying home because the kids are sick.

      And..don't forget, with taxes, those with kids get to take deductions and get refunds based on having kids, while those of us without do not, so, in essence we're subsidizing those with kids.

      Shouldn't parents have to pay MORE since having kids uses more resources than those without?

      And no...tax deductions will NOT encourage or discourage people from having kids as many posit. People will fuck, kids will result...they did it LONG before there were income taxes.

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  2. Teamwork by kevin_m_hickey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would agree with you if not for the growing trend of collaborative spaces in the IT industry. Sitting isolated in a cubicle and only talking to other people in meetings or the water cooler is no better than working from home and Skyping or talking on the phone. But a collaborative space and pair programming do foster innovation and rapid, high-quality software development. The social aspect yields interesting ideas that the individual would not think of on his (or her) own. Pairing (or at least having extra eyes around) tends to yield higher quality both from being able to have someone check for mistakes and the social pressure of not cutting corners when someone else is looking.

    1. Re:Teamwork by pathological+liar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It probably varies by job and by person. I find it helpful to talk with my coworkers, but a distraction to overhear them.

      A mailing list, irc channel, xmpp muc etc. allows me to collaborate on my terms. I can rethink and edit my response, and if I'm in the middle of something I can read it later and respond then. Conversations typically don't work like that.

    2. Re:Teamwork by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      I would agree with you if not for the growing trend of collaborative spaces in the IT industry.

      That works as long as everybody is actually at the same location. In my company at least it seems like every project I'm on consists of people scattered across numerous geographical locations. They just all sit in their offices and talk on the phone all day in meetings. When it is suggested that one should pick up the phone instead of calling a meeting the problem is that everybody is busy in meetings and won't pick up. When it is suggested that one should get up and talk to people, the problem is that nobody actually sits near them.

      This is often the result of acquisitions, re-orgs, etc. Unless you just want to fire people and hire new ones in a central location (which means giving up a LOT of established talent), working remotely is really the only option.

      Most IT companies that have one big central location just started out that way and slowly grew, and often the central location is in a place they can sort-of get away with it like Silicon Valley. Even so, how much talent do companies like Google/Apple end up losing out on because they won't hire anybody who wants to live elsewhere?

    3. Re:Teamwork by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      sorry I don't want to be programming in a room full of yammering idiocy.. I'd be canned in the first week for lack of productivity. All this 'social' bullshit is driving society to distraction. There's a reason most people don't have every TV and music player in the house turned on at full blast at the same time.

    4. Re:Teamwork by kevin_m_hickey · · Score: 5, Informative

      It probably varies by job and by person. I find it helpful to talk with my coworkers, but a distraction to overhear them.

      A lot of people (thought granted not everybody) find that after spending some time in a collaborative environment the background conversations move from being a distraction to an undercurrent of information. It becomes possible to tune it out but still hear keywords that might be relevant and allow for better teamwork.

      A mailing list, irc channel, xmpp muc etc. allows me to collaborate on my terms. I can rethink and edit my response, and if I'm in the middle of something I can read it later and respond then. Conversations typically don't work like that.

      That's true but your way has high latency. Conversations happen much faster.

    5. Re:Teamwork by pathological+liar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of people (thought granted not everybody) find that after spending some time in a collaborative environment the background conversations move from being a distraction to an undercurrent of information. It becomes possible to tune it out but still hear keywords that might be relevant and allow for better teamwork.

      Research doesn't bear that out. Multitasking reduces efficiency, interrupts and context switches hurt. If, for your specific workload, you find it's a net gain... well, more power to you. It's not one-size fits all.

      That's true but your way has high latency. Conversations happen much faster.

      That's the point. 'My way' allows my coworkers to decide when they can be interrupted. 'Your way' allows people to demand focus.

    6. Re:Teamwork by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2

      Of agree, are you collaborating or working?? I think that so many workers fall into positions where part of the job is "heads down" but bosses wanted fewer managers so workers go to their own meetings now.

      The problem with cubes is that people get used to just walking in... Or talking over the partitions... And don't get the non-verbal cue you are in "heads down" mode to send a quick email first.

  3. Been working remotely for years by canadiannomad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love it, I can't imagine going back. I like my hammock office, and every time I am forced to work at a desk or table, and can physically feel my mind cramping up. If that is innovation and productivity, count me out!
    Don't get me started about my years facing grey half-walls feeling like someone was watching what I was doing behind my back. Gave me the creeps, and again, just made me feel uncomfortable working.

    --
    Hmm, the humour and sarcasm seem to have been be lost on you.
  4. If you can work remotely... by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can do your work from home, it's probable that someone else can do the work from the other side of the planet. For less. So be careful what you wish for.

    --
    Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
    1. Re:If you can work remotely... by stretch0611 · · Score: 2

      If you can do your work from home, it's probable that someone else can do the work from the other side of the planet. For less. So be careful what you wish for.

      Actually I find it funny and sad how many employers that refuse to let people work from home, are willing to outsource that same work to someone on the other side of the planet. (And while that usually means cheaper labor; generally there is less quality control, a language barrier, and people that may not even work the same time as you.)

      --
      Looking for a job?
      Want your resume written professionally?
      DON'T USE TUNAREZ!!!
    2. Re:If you can work remotely... by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you can do your work from home, it's probable that someone else can do the work from the other side of the planet. For less. So be careful what you wish for.

      And if you can do it from an office, it's probable that it can be done from an office on the other side of the planet. For less

    3. Re:If you can work remotely... by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Not exactly sure how that's an "insightful" comment. Every knowledge job can be done remotely. Working in the office, because working at home would "prove your job could be outsourced" would be kafka-esque.

    4. Re:If you can work remotely... by golfnomad · · Score: 2

      That's right, use the FUD tactic, it's worked so well up until now..... That's why some of the major Companies are bringing their operations back *onshore*, all the time wasted fixing the work done be offshore hands, plus the language barriers. Once great way to piss your customers off is when they are already upset about your product/service not functioning properly is to make them talk to somebody they can't understand, do to a thick accent

    5. Re:If you can work remotely... by Splab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I fucking hate working from home. When I enter my apartment, it's my life, not the company. Having a very distinct line between working and being off is extremely important.

      Also, while it might work for some people to remote in, I bloody hate it when I can't get hold of my coworkers because they are doing their laundry, shopping or whatever the fuck the tend to do, when they should be working.

      If you have the ability to separate your work and your life when you work from home, good for you; but mostly, I find it doesn't work.

  5. Working Remotely by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only the most anachronistic, self-absorbed, border-line sociopathic managers are against working remotely. Marissa Mayer, hint hint. It is a win, win for companies. Companies save money on expensive office space and employes have more job satisfaction resulting in less turnover further saving money for the company. Those managers concerned with "face time" are micromanaging, control freaks.

    1. Re:Working Remotely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only the most anachronistic, self-absorbed, border-line sociopathic managers are against working remotely

      In other words, all of them.

    2. Re:Working Remotely by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Not all. My wife worked for the Department of Defense years back and they contracted to have a financial system programmed for the Air Force to a company in California. The guy who ran the company ran it out of his house and all his programmers worked from home. Meetings were conducted over the phone mostly although he did visit her office a few times. It was a very sweet contract and this guy's overhead was almost nothing. That was back in the late 90's.

    3. Re:Working Remotely by Guido+von+Guido+II · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The majority of remote workers are slackers doing just enough to keep their current income and benefits.

      The majority of office workers are slackers doing just enough to keep their current income and benefits.

    4. Re:Working Remotely by xystren · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I personally prefer having that "divide" between work and home. I dislike the idea of working at home - that's not what it is for. Yeah, can I? Sure, but I absolutely hate it. The travel time to/from the office I also appreciate. It gives me that time to decompress from work - I turn up the radio, sing like a madman that doesn't care that they are out of tune, and by the time I get home, any of the days of "work stress" is gone. I can enjoy the time with my wife, children, grandchild unimpeded.

      When working remotely at home, the stresses of work become integrated as part of your home. The wife, the kids, extended family and friends pick up on that. You have a @#$%@ day at the remote home office and that @#$%@ day sits at dinner with you and your family - your mind and thoughts are at work, not with your family. There is something to be said to have that clear delineation between work and home.

      Now if your traveling all over the place, as a part of your employment, the remote office makes sense. But I don't want my boss's or corporate lack of planning to constitute and emergency in my own home with the stress felt within my whole family system.

      To me, it looks like a corporate grab to save money on the facilities. If already maximizing the number of people in a building by reducing the size of a cubical isn't doing enough for the bottom line, let's kick our workers out our space, and we can invade theirs. This works for corporate and sounds great to them. For me? Not so much. Am I getting compensated for the space that corporate is taking up in my home, my bandwidth, power, utilities, and the intrusion into my family's space? I'm sorry, saving 2 hours of travel time isn't enough to compensate for that. Many view travel time as time wasted - for me it is my stress decompression time, self-care, or me time.

      I completely disagree with the win/win which is in short, a collaborative process (Our way). For some, yeah, it may be win/win. For me, it is coercion (Their way) - a win/lose; corporate wins, I lose.

      How accommodation with the flexibility to work with both styles?

    5. Re:Working Remotely by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Add lazy to the list. Determining who is suitable to work from home and what tasks can be completed remotely are entirely a management issue, but that's work to sort that out so lazy management just has blanket bans.

  6. Depends on culture by mariasama16 · · Score: 2

    I think it depends on your office culture. I do phone tech support and can work remotely. Several of my coworkers don't ever drive into the office, several other coworkers work in other parts of the state and when we finish our transitional/expansion period (next 2 months or so), the goal is to have 10-15 people working remotely every day. I actually just had an email needing information to make sure our new VOIP setup will be compatible with everyone's home setups.

  7. What a great idea... by urbanriot · · Score: 2

    ... then we can fill our staff with intelligent employees from India!

  8. I agree but... by Itsik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recall over the summer reading a piece in the Wall Street Journal (http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2012/07/13/working-from-home-beware-a-career-hit/?mod=e2tw)
    Pointing to the fact that telecommuters aka people that work remotely are less likely to get promoted regardless of their productivity and work ethic.

    Quite alarming

    1. Re:I agree but... by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find that it matters not where you work. If you keep your mind on your work instead of kissing ass and politicking then you are likely to find yourself getting overlooked. The exception is the small shops usually where the manager is also the owner. Things that directly hit his wallet tend to get noticed more.

    2. Re:I agree but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a developer working on healthcare integration projects - 100% of my work is remote. I know the business, have worked with hospitals and in the medical field for 20+ years, know most of the most common EMR packages and integration engines. I'm both a contract and freelance consultant depending on the contract. I could give two shits about "promotion". My desire to be absorbed by the "Cubical Mentality" is non-existent. Been there, done that, burned the T-Shirt. The PHB's can micro-manage their own flock without worrying about the pasture I work in.

      My office is a MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM, dual SSD's and a backup storage array. I keep all the various POS laptops I'm given by the various hospitals on the shelf in my home office because I've converted all of their machines to Fusion VM's and can all be run concurrently on the laptop. The laptop is encrypted at the hard-drive level and all the VM's live in TrueCrypt containers - so even in the case of loss, the protected health info on there is safe from prying eyes.

      H1B's don't usually have the deep domain knowledge, my expertise of various EDI tools, and every time they brought one in? They failed and the client called me in for good money to clean up their "Oracle is the answer to everything" bullshit.

      I do damn good work, deliver what I say I am going to deliver - and I have had NO complaints by anyone - only repeat business. I can do it from my courtyard hammock, or the local coffee shop across from the University where the view is exemplary... or the top of a nearby mountain in the picnic area when I want some peace and quiet during the day.

    3. Re:I agree but... by stretch0611 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...people that work remotely are less likely to get promoted regardless of their productivity and work ethic.

      Chances are that if you are a technical person, your likelihood of getting promoted are pretty limited already.

      There are only so many PM's and middle management positions available, and chances are even if you do get promoted to management, you will never leave the technical side of the business and have a snowball's chance in hell of reaching upper management.

      --
      Looking for a job?
      Want your resume written professionally?
      DON'T USE TUNAREZ!!!
  9. Hello, its the 21st century by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    Work from home jobs are available all over the place. What planet are you on?

    --
    I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
  10. ... ... Wuuuut by Rurik · · Score: 2

    What is this, a Japanese RPG? Can you possibly squeeze any more ellipses into that summary?

  11. Apple and Yahoo don't have the right jobs by bhcompy · · Score: 2

    I've worked for 3 massive software companies that hire 10s of thousands directly or contractually, and they all have allowed remote workers for about 15 years. It doesn't matter if Apple and Yahoo don't, many companies that hire more in roles that allow you to work remotely(application development, support, implementation, training, marketing, etc) do allow the practices.

    Apple wants to look cool with its giant campus and onsite amenities because it's fostering an image of oneness. It's also a company that people use as a stepping stool, like Google, Yahoo, SpaceX,etc. Your average company doesn't care and wants their employees to be happy enough to stay there for a while, and working from home is a huge benefit that fosters long term loyalty.

    1. Re:Apple and Yahoo don't have the right jobs by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Informative

      My friend works for an insurance company that moved all of the senior claims adjusters to work from home positions. Only the junior level ones work out of the office and it is just so they can become experienced. My friend has no plans whatsoever to leave the company unless forced to. That's pretty telling....

  12. Tell it to that Yahoo CEO ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Productivity is not based on location of the workplace
    as much as it is based on the person doing the work.

    Only ignorant paranoid idiots want workers "where they can
    be watched". I won't work for such fools.

  13. God wants to see us once a week by MBAslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a manager, I can tell you that I need to spend some hi-bandwidth time with my people on a regular basis. I need that interpersonal time to interact with them, make sure they have what they need and the barriers to their work are pushed out of the way. There's no substitute for eating lunch with someone to really understand where they are.

    Can I imagine a corner case where work can easily be done from home and the person doesn't need that time?

    Sure, but this isn't how the team works as a whole and I need the team working, as a whole.

    Even God says we should get together with him once a week face to face

    --
    The more you scare people.....the more they will pay.
    1. Re:God wants to see us once a week by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 2

      As a manager, I can tell you that I need to spend some hi-bandwidth time with my people on a regular basis

      As a verteran engineer, I can tell you you're an idiot and a liability for whichever unlucky company you work for.

      --
      Have you got your LWN subscription yet?
  14. It requires... by madmarcel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Working from home requires a certain work ethic.
    Not all of us possess this.

    I've also heard from friends who do work from home that they struggle to distinguish between work/home and personal/business. It seems that the physical acts of leaving for work and coming home from work are required for some people to be able to keep the two (mindsets?) separated.

    1. Re:It requires... by Zargg · · Score: 2

      This would be part of it for me...I need the physical separation from the beer in the fridge!

  15. The kind of centrallization matters by Livius · · Score: 2

    I think the problem with centralizing knowledge work, especially something like software development which has a creative element, is not so much the remote versus centralized issue, as the kind of environment centralized workers find themselves in. There are definite advantages to bringing a team together to work face to face, even if the benefits are difficult to quantify. Where it goes wrong is a cube-farm office, which has all the disadvantages but few advantages, for example being an environment which is both isolating and impersonal and at the same time full of distractions from the nearby presence of your co-workers. What's needed is a better balance of interaction and isolation.

  16. What kind of productivity? by lars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One big flaw in your argument is that the linked studies seem to focus on individual productivity. What about team productivity? I can definitely see myself producing more code if I worked in a more isolated environment, or whatever other metric you'd like to use, but I think my team's overall effectiveness would suffer. Note that we don't work alone in cubicles or closed offices, but at desks in an open environment as is common these days. It's hard for me to imagine a remote work environment -- even with chat and Google video hangouts constantly running -- that could match the free flow of ideas and information that we get from working right next to one another. The distractions to individual productivity are more than compensated for by being more plugged in to what other people are doing, which lets everyone make better decisions that save time in the long run.

    I'm not sure why so many people are reacting as though there's a universally superior approach here. All teams and organizations are different. Having employees present at the office seems to work for Google, and presumably Mayer has good reason to think it will work at Yahoo as well. I'm sure there are also lots of big organizations where the opposite is true.

    1. Re:What kind of productivity? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      What about those who goof off and play video games during worker hours where you can't hold them accountable. I assume you would be a responsible worker as I read your post but it is very hard to find someone else who is. Studies show that on average workers spend and goof off 2 hours a day browsing the web and slacking in an 8 hour workday! These are the workers whom I assume when not watched would be quite unproductive.

      Mayer also was known to get up at 1am for conference calls with India where Google outsourced their finance departments and went back to bed at 2am and than got up at 6am for work everyday.

      I assume with her seeing this can assume if the work does not have to be done at Yahoo it can then be done cheaper as it can be done anywhere right? Maybe that is her plan where she will continue remote work but in India and China for pennies on hte dollar. You can give me studies and stastistics anyday, but at the end of the day it is all about money. Remote work shows you are expendible as a cost center even if you are well known.

    2. Re:What kind of productivity? by stretch0611 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've worked both remotely and onsite. I have worked from home on team and individual projects. I have seen it work and fail.

      The key factor of whether it works or not depends on communication. If you talk to your co-workers regularly, and they contact you all the time it works well. If there is no communication, or if you can't contact your coworkers regularly (or vice-versa,) the project will fail.

      As a sr. developer, I still see other people's code, and people see mine. Managers can (or at least should) be able to determine if I am productive.

      Working on individual side projects, if you can motivate yourself, it will succeed.

      The only problem is those occasional programming problems... The ones every programmer gets... where it is a stupid typo or something you are overlooking. (common misspellings like "o" instead of the character zero, lack of quotes, or using an operator from a different language.) All programmers will do this and they can take an hour to find on your own... A co-worker can see the problem in a glance. That is the only problem to working on your own. On a team project, if you have someone you talk to regularly, that can and will find it quickly, you are golden. If you are on a team and no one has the time to bother with you, your communication is lacking and you are doomed to fail.

      --
      Looking for a job?
      Want your resume written professionally?
      DON'T USE TUNAREZ!!!
  17. The Zen of balance in all things by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 2

    I worked for a year remotely from a new country, and by that time I was about stir-crazy from isolation, even as my day ended promptly at 3pm and I had so much time to have a good home balance. If you have flexibility, you should go into the office at least once a week to get that invaluable face-to-face interaction, and during crunch time switch to 80% in-office. Impromptu five-minute stand-ups with a project group are often essential.

  18. Don't expect to be noticed by razorshark · · Score: 2

    If you spend most of your working days at home, you WILL be forgotten. There is definitely value in having a physical presence at your workplace, even if you spend the majority of your time at your desk. You'll still be seen in the hallways, you'll be physically there at meetings, if you need to talk to someone about an issue it's easy enough to do it in person with the subtle benefits of having your physical presence there as opposed to being on the phone/communicator.

    People remember faces better if they seem them regularly. Work at home (at least regularly) and you run the risk of being forgotten for various benefits such as being picked for a promotion, or to go on a field trip (if you aren't sick of travel yet), and heck, people will like you more if you're actually there (people being the social creatures that they are), which has its own benefits.

    The only exception would be if everyone else at your workplace works from home, and there's only a handful of people who need to physicall go somewhere to work. I know the writers on Ars Technica fit that description quite well. Otherwise you might be better off dealing with the drudgery of dragging yourself into work for its career benefits.

    --
    Raenex is a dickhead
  19. You need the right attitude by dindi · · Score: 2

    You know those guys who start the day on youtube/facebook/ and only start to work when you nag them to death. If you don't they might do some "proof that I worked" BS at the end of the day? These are the guys who have to obey one rule and they cannot: be available between 9-5. Then you call, message, mail, call all numbers, all messengers, and the guy is no-where.

    I have seen a complete telecommuting department of 30+ people ordered permanently to the office because a couple of these assholes.

    That said: I work at 2 places at the same time. Since I don't have to prepare, make food (special diet, no take-out and soda machine for me), drive, socialise and all that, I can comfortably put 10 hours a day of coding/planning (infrastructure design, consulting with coders) on the table. I have an elliptical trainer and a garden. If my head is about to explode and I "only" have to read some specs or make a call, I walk/sit outside in the garden in natural light (tropics rule).

    Now that is the good part. At one place my colleagues just don't get it. Communication is freakin' impossible with them. Even though the policy: code when you want/can, be available in business hours (US eastern 8-4). Guys don't answer mails, forget if you Skype/call instead, not on Skype sometimes for hours without notice (and messing up everything the night before in the GIT repos). It is just a mess...

    So I think it is possible, it is good, but you simply have to screen the people and remove their rights if they fail to deliver/communicate.

    If you are in software development an need to participate in planning/design (not just e.g. work on tickets on a ready product), then probably it makes sense to go to the office once a week to do some joint brainstorming. Maybe more. Depending. When people talk tech in the elevator, at the cafeteria, smoking area, gym, or etc ... good things happen. Ideas are born. When you just have a Skype call without using any presentation tool (whiteboard), then you feel the difference: it is not as effective.
    The ADD ridden ones at least are (somewhat) forced to pay attention at meetings and at best can play with their phones, but if it is Skype, who knows what is on the other 4 screens. Worst experience : my colleague has his whole family screaming at the same time while we are having meetings. I am not talking a noise once in a while, or family arriving/leaving, but full time lunch serving and baby screaming all the way.

    Most hated office things: 1. Half the room is cold, half the room is hot. Always, everywhere. 2. Morning chatter of yesterday's game, movie, news .. etc - fine, just do it outside if you see someone trying to work. 3. Asshole on speakerphone or asshole on personal call, calling 10th place to get new tires.... 4. food smell.. New rule: next time I have to smell your packaged paprika bacon-pork skin chips I can throw up into your hair..... If you touch my screen with the finger, I get to chop it off with a blunt cheese-knife.

    1. Re:You need the right attitude by JeanCroix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Asshole on speakerphone

      Holy hell yes THIS. Who the fuck ever thought it was a good idea to equip every desk in a cube farm with a fucking SPEAKER PHONE?

  20. Yes, remote work works, but it's not easy by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an issue that's very important to me, personally.

    I've relocated my immediate family far from all of our extended family for a job. It's a great job (Google), but the relocation has imposed some real hardships on us, and I'd very, very much like to be able to move back "home" but keep the job, working remotely. I came to Google from IBM, a company which has gone largely distributed, and I spent the ten years prior to joining Google working from home.

    So I have both motivation to convince Google that I can work remotely with great effectiveness and experience to show that I have, in fact, done it. Further, Google has outstanding tools for facilitated distributed work... not only do we use Google Docs and Google+ Hangouts extensively, they're also integrated with each other and with Gmail, and Google Chat, and Google Voice. Plus, of course, all of our source control tools are well-suited to remote work, our code review and systems management interfaces are all either command-line or web-based (either works great remotely). It really is a world-class remote collaboration suite.

    However, I've had to grudgingly admit that Google is right in its assertion that distributed work is less efficient, that remote teams move slower and accomplish less than co-located teams. I'm in the Boulder office, but much of my work has reached across site boundaries to include teams in Mountain View, San Francisco, Boston, New York and Zurich. And, as a result, I've ended up spending a lot of time in those cities (I'm in Zurich now) because it is so much more effective to communicate with people in person.

    How do I reconcile the conflict? Was I just ineffective at IBM? I mean, there I was e-mailing Office docs and talking on conference calls. That had to have been even worse than at Google, right? No. Remote work can work, and very well, but it requires a massive cultural shift. The technology is there, and has been for a while, but what's lacking is the motivation to be willing to suffer the large cost of essentially re-training your entire company on how to communicate.

    IBM made this shift because it was drowning in red ink and Gerstner decided a first step to fixing that problem was to eliminate most of IBM's real estate, and the resulting lack of office space led the company scrambling for solutions. IBM had decades-long task forces focused only on finding and addressing obstacles to remote work. There's no doubt that IBM's productivity did take a big hit during the transition, and it lasted for a long time. But IBM was at the same time fighting its way out from under massive internal bureaucracy, and the improvements from eliminating the bureaucracy papered over the problems caused by retraining. Another source of improvement was the fact that IBM built, at the same time, a whole new -- and very large -- services business, which was inherently distributed.

    A key to IBM's success, though, was that almost everyone was pushed out of the office. The people who couldn't be productive working remotely ended up being slid out of the company, many in the course of a few layoffs. If you want to make remote work effective, everyone needs to be comfortable dealing with remote collaborators all the time, and by sending nearly everyone home, IBM achieved that.

    Google, on the other hand, is already a highly productive, efficient company, one which doesn't really have massive layers of bureaucracy to clear out. As a result, any widespread transition to remote work would cause the company's performance to take a large hit, and not briefly. 5+ years, I estimate. I think Google could make the transition faster than IBM did, partly due to better tools, mostly due to better people -- not everyone, mind you, there were lots of highly capable IBMers, but there's hardly anyone at Google who is not highly capable. But it would take years and Google's apparent dominance notwithstanding, Google can't afford that.

    IBM's market position was built primarily on long-term, solid c

    --
    Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
  21. Here's why Yahoo canned remote working by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    This article is obviously a reaction to Yahoo's actions, stopping the ability to work remotely.

    But it's ignoring the real reason why Yahoo did so. Over time, Yahoo has grown vast and has accumulated a number of freeloaders who possibly were not even working, but were still being paid.

    By pulling everyone in to work for a year or so, Yahoo can evaluate who they really have working. In technical terms, you can think of it like a garbage collector spinning up and cleaning out useless nodes...

    In about a year after Yahoo has everything settled up, they'll probably re-introduce remote working.

    More details on Yahoo here (my apologies for linking to a BusinessInsider article, a website that usually has little to do with business).

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  22. Work Centers by BlueCoder · · Score: 2

    I don't necessarily agree that everyone should work at home. I think some people need a professional environment to thrive.

    Therefore telecommuting centers would be a great compromise. Places to telecommute that provide some common infrastructure for people to share. Cameras to remote observe workers. Scanners to mass convert paper to digital. Places that are within a mile of where they live; someplace you could bicycle to.

  23. Re:As a manager I'm all for people working remotel by TENTH+SHOW+JAM · · Score: 2

    As a tech, you are quite welcome with the results you get from your Indian techs.
    Redde arachis hypogaea, posside simiae.

    --
    A sig is placed here
    To display how futile
    English Haiku is
  24. People wouldn't mind offices... if they had them. by knorthern+knight · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason people want to get away from what we have now is because it's not what we had 30 years ago. When I first won a promotion to a technical job in our HQ in 1985 we actually had offices. I retired a couple of years ago (get off my lawn kid). By that time only mid-level and higher managers had offices. Us peons were crammed into cube farms. And, oh yeah, there were reviews under way trying to figure out how to cram more cubes into the same space. Obligatory Dilbert http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-09-15/ Give people real offices, and they might not mind.

    --

    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  25. Talk to your local jurisdiction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I built a house with a large home office in it so that I could run my Internet based company from home. The city threw a huge fit, and said it needed to be built to commercial standards. Submitted new plans and they said that you can't live in a commercial structure! The American Dream is all jacked up.

    1. Re:Talk to your local jurisdiction. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I built a house with a large home office in it so that I could run my Internet based company from home. The city threw a huge fit, and said it needed to be built to commercial standards. Submitted new plans and they said that you can't live in a commercial structure! The American Dream is all jacked up.

      Why didn't you just call it a Den or extra bedroom? If they question the extra power outlets or data connections, tell them it's your home theater room.

    2. Re:Talk to your local jurisdiction. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Huh? Why would your city care about what kind of building you run an internet-based company from? There's no requirement that you run a company out of a commercial building; there's tons of people who work out of their homes: telecommuters, people with home businesses such as woodworkers, etc.

    3. Re:Talk to your local jurisdiction. by mhajicek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been there. It's all about control. It doesn't have to make sense.

  26. Re:PBH like face time / overuse of mettinges & by Seumas · · Score: 2

    My colleagues and I are spread across at least half a dozen states and a couple countries and our manager is not within a thousand miles of three quarters of us. And his manager is 3,000 miles away from *him*. And we've managed in high stress, mission-critical, crazy-hour, professional situations for almost two decades, doing this. It gets easier and more productive, every year, too. Thanks to things like video conferencing, voice conferencing, web-ex style services, telephones, instant messaging, email, etc.

    I find that the shitty attitude a lot of people have is simply because they don't personally think they could manage (or wouldn't be allowed) to work form home, so they think nobody else should, either. Unless you're assembling cars, building a house, or working at a cash register, there aren't really any knowledge-worker jobs that can't be done just as well or better, remotely, with proper use of the tools (think of the flexibility and extra time with no commute that people inevitably end up re-investing in spending far more than their 40hrs/week working).

  27. Disagree by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Between chores begging to be done, cats wanting to be fed, kids coming home hours before the typical workday finishes, and a myriad of other distractions I find home is a terrible place to get things done. I take work home only when the distractions at work are worse than they are at home and that is rare, usually end of reporting period or something similar.

    On the flip side being co-located with scores of other people we rely on to get jobs done is a real blessing in efficiency. People have a tendency to react slower to phone calls and ignore emails. Compare that to actually talking to a person face to face, or potentially running into them several times a day. This could be due to the collaborative nature of my work (engineer in industrial environment) where I rely and am relied upon for things to get done, but in any case not being at work makes these interactions much harder.

  28. Ya it actually can work real well by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I do IT work and we are all in cubes in a large room, including my boss (he's a tech, not a PHB). It really works better because when someone wanders in needing help, they can more quickly get routed to the person who can actually help them, when there's questions about something we can get them answered quick, and we can chat about ideas.

    I find I really like it. It isn't perfect, of course, but overall I'd take it over us all being in individual offices, which we could have, if we wanted (most of us do have an assigned office to use if we need, we just don't).

  29. I'd love to believe you... by cowtamer · · Score: 2

    "CEOs, like Yahoo's Marissa Mayer and Apple's Steve Jobs, think that a central office fosters more innovation and productivity. I think they're wrong." ...but how is your own multi-million company doing with your remote workers?

    Less sarcastically, are there any LARGE companies out there which are mostly comprised of remote workers and have both innovation and productivity? (I know some small ones do exist)