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Did Steve Jobs Pick the Wrong Tablet Size?

An anonymous reader writes "During the 2010 Christmas shopping season, Steve Jobs famously dissed the 7-inch tablets being rolled out by competitors, including Samsung's Galaxy, as being 'tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with the [9.7-inch diagonal] iPad,' adding that 'the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA — dead on arrival.' A year later Jobs was dead, and the iPad Mini, with a 7.9-inch diagonal screen, was rolled out under his successor Tim Cook in October, 2012. Looking at industry-wide tablet sales numbers for January 2013, which show that the iPad Mini surprisingly outsold its larger sibling by a substantial margin (as did 7-inch Android tablets from competitors), Motley Fool's Evan Niu thinks that the 7.9-inch form factor was the correct size all along, contrary to Jobs' pronouncements (which, of course, was partly marketing bluster — but he chose the larger size in the first place). Of course the Mini is cheaper, but not by much — $329 vs. $399 for the larger iPad, for the baseline model with WiFi only and 16GB storage. Had Apple introduced the iPad with the smaller size to begin with, Niu argues, competitors would have faced a much more difficult task grabbing market share. While the Mini is currently available only with 'Super VGA' resolution (1024x768), rumors are afloat that Minis with the Retina display (2048x1536) are close to production."

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  1. 16KB storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    16KB storage: Apple is really screwing with the customer now.

    1. Re:16KB storage by skirmish666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm waiting for the 128K model.

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    2. Re:16KB storage by OolimPhon · · Score: 3, Funny

      640K ought to be enough for everybody!

    3. Re:16KB storage by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's the oblivious mistake, there's one in every summary, just /. editors doing some subtle trolling to get the comments going.

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    4. Re:16KB storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      640K ought to be enough for everybody!

      Yes, I do agree...hearing this fucking joke 640,000 times ought to be enough for everybody...

    5. Re:16KB storage by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      16KB storage: Apple is really screwing with the customer now.

      The worst part is that instead of using sockets like in the Apple II, for the iPad they soldered down the memory DIPs and omitted any kind of expansion bus slots, so you can't upgrade.

      Since sockets are thicker than the DIPs themselves and one of the goals was for thin, it doesn't seem unreasonable that the memory isn't upgradable. As for bus slots, well there is that Apple port that has all sorts of potential, if Apple would allow it to be used. The pinouts are there, it is the OS that restricts what can and cannot be plugged into it.

  2. Does it matter? by deergomoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now there's two iPad sizes. And lots of sizes for Android tablets. A fair amount of choice for Win 8 too. Everyone's happy!

    1. Re:Does it matter? by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not quite sure why it matters since 7.9 inches does not equal 7 inches.

    2. Re:Does it matter? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now there's two iPad sizes. And lots of sizes for Android tablets. A fair amount of choice for Win 8 too. Everyone's happy!

      I think it does matter. Jobs was even right about the big size being needed, though his explanation given was wrong (and who knows if he even told the full truth). If tablets had initially come at 7" then they would have been far too close to phones. There would have been almost no application that you could do on a tablet that couldn't be done reasonably on a phone just a bit worse. There wouldn't have been a reason to keep the two separate and development of tablet interface programs would be much slower. In the end people would have just called the iPad a "too big phone which you can't call from" and it would not have sold as it did. I think Android is only just managing to break through this barrier and Apple wouldn't have had nearly the success they have had first mover advantage.

      The iPad is its self almost exactly the maximum reasonable size for a tablet for most people. Even a tiny bit heavier than the heaviest iPad and many people can't hold it in one hand it for long. It's already big enough that it has to have a special split keyboard for some people to be able to type on comfortably. Also the iPad is close to the limit which fits comfortably into your personal space in economy class (no; a laptop is not "comfortable") and feels spacious elsewhere. On the other hand; the size is a limitation for some applications such as a full screen magazine spread. The battery is a limitation as a replacement for a book. For photo editing, a thing which a tablet could be good for the screen is still very much on the small side. You can see why really big people with big hands and their own private jets might like a bigger tablet and you can also see why Microsoft made the mistake of making the surface too big and heavy. If you were designing the iPad from scratch and you could make it fold and add anti-gravity and had no cost limts then you would probably end up with an even larger device with more inertia and much higher resolution (I wouldn't call it more "weight").

      An iPad mini makes sense now; however that's only because the iPad went before it and defined the category of a tablet. If that hadn't happened people would just be complaining that it's a too heavy phone. Me; I have multiple android devices and I find myself switching sizes; however I definitely prefer a tablet to a phone for plenty of stuff. I'm even wondering if it wouldn't be better to just have a dumbphone and a tablet instead.

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    3. Re:Does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I here they make a really good spill chucker.

    4. Re:Does it matter? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right, the Apple product is perfect in every way and everything else is either just a copy or shite. Nice try.

      People should have bought any tablet Apple churned out back then, regardless of size. The first version of the iPad was actually quite badly flawed in a number of ways - the back wasn't flat so it rocked if you tried use to it flat on a desk, and the screen resolution was both low and an odd multiple of what came before so that it took a while for apps to be ported to it (since Apple encouraged everyone to code for fixed resolutions). It didn't have the split keyboard first either, Android invented that.

      People said that the Galaxy Note would never sell. An oversized phone with an old fashioned stylus. Turned out to be really popular, and the stylus is much better than a finger for photo editing and note taking. Your argument that people would be dismissive of something that could be called a "large phone" doesn't hold up.

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    5. Re:Does it matter? by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

      You sound just like my GF.

    6. Re:Does it matter? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2

      Apple created the "tablet?" I'm sorry, but no. Apple's success was a mobile-centered OS and marketing when the relevant hardware was able to be produced at the right cost. Tablets were around beforehand.

    7. Re:Does it matter? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real question why are we so fascinated with Jobs even after he died. He made mistakes just like everyone else. That said, I expect the original iPad that took years of development needed to be the slightly larger size as to support the equipment of the time to meet the price. After it was released, and the year of R&D the other companies took the iPad as a model and was able to incorporate the newer technology thus being able to make a smaller model.

      Apple will need to defend their original plans, as well not sacrifice their iPod Touch/iPhone designs.

      Was job wrong... No he sold a boat load of these things. However as time went on peoples desires had change. I think the iPad if it started small may not have been so hot, as people were looking for bigger screens at the time.

      Back in the 80's PC were popular in a configuration where the monitor sat on top of the CPU. Then it went to towers, in the 90's was the old design wrong? No, it was that people needed to use the floppy disks much more and needed access to the CPU all the time. Then with bigger hard drives it went to something you could interact less with. So a tower you can put under your desk was preferable.

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    8. Re:Does it matter? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > That's not what I wrote. I wrote: "the iPad created the concept of desirable device called a tablet, that was different from a big phone."

      No it didn't. Pretty much the entire rest of the industry had similar alternatives. There was even an "iPad knockoff" released 6 months prior to the iPad. It was just released by a company that's not a media darling.

      Apple hit on a good combination while being noticed.

      Anything beyond that is mindless fanboy nonsense.

      Immediately, there were disputes about what other varations might be useful. That which the iCult didn't approve of was immediately dismissed. That mindless tyrannical approach has now been proven wrong.

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    9. Re:Does it matter? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it didn't. Pretty much the entire rest of the industry had similar alternatives. There was even an "iPad knockoff" released 6 months prior to the iPad. It was just released by a company that's not a media darling.

      So it wasn't a desirable tablet. You make my case for me.

      Apple hit on a good combination while being noticed.

      Yes, Apple did it right, and was in a position to create a market. Just as I said.

      fanboy nonsense... iCult... Fascism.

      Talking of fanboy nonsense. You really are a ridiculous person.

    10. Re:Does it matter? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I think Android is only just managing to break through this barrier and Apple wouldn't have had nearly the success they have had first mover advantage.

      I say this as a known Apple hater and as an Android user, Android isn't breaking through anything. The barrier is moving. The barrier isn't just perception, though; it's based on perception, but we can make generalities about perception even though it's subjective, based on averages and means. And what I think you will discover is that phones were just too chunky until recently. Somewhere around the time phones hit 1 GHz they got to be a pleasure to use. This is just a coincidence, there's nothing magical about 1 GHz. We had computers with fluid interfaces with 8 MHz processors. It just so happens that given the prevailing hardware ecosystem and the trends in operating systems, that's when it happened to happen.

      What I mean in very slightly more detail is that the operating systems have been expected to do more even as the hardware has become more capable, but programmers haven't been getting smarter and indeed companies have been placing less emphasis on hiring the smart ones, so we got unnecessarily bloated software, which kept the phones from being pleasant to use until now.

      I haven't really owned a lot of mobile phones, but any time I didn't have a mobile phone I generally had a PDA of the type that was being mobilephoneized at the time. E.g. when palm phones were a thing I had a palm PDA, and I can't even picture using something as chunky as that as a phone and a PDA. When windows mobile phone was a new thing, I had an iPaq H2215 which is actually a pretty good PDA for its day, I can't imagine running wm2003 and actually relying on it, it wasn't even reliable as a PDA. But WM6 is usable, if not good. (I found 6.5.3 to actually be pretty good once I overclocked my phone, but there's no apps for it.*)

      If Google is responsible for this factor, it is largely due to timing. Windows Phone is also said to have a smooth interface now. (The only fancy interface for older WM phones of which I'm aware, HTC Sense, is famous for being a resource hog, as is the Android version.) I don't mean to discount the value of good timing, however.

      The iPad is its self almost exactly the maximum reasonable size for a tablet for most people.

      If Apple has got anything right, it is form factor. They have consistently got that part down, except perhaps for a certain product you had to be exceptionally careful about holding correctly, and really that's just an implementation detail. An important one, to be sure...

      * Microsoft actually shut down the Windows Marketplace when they brought up Windows Phone 7, or perhaps shortly thereafter, I don't know which. This is the equivalent of banning Gingerbread from the Google Play store. (Meanwhile, you can still actually use older devices like Eclair with the Google Play store, although you have to use the old Market application... which still works. And you can use the web Google Play store and install from there to devices which are still running Market.) If you buy a Microsoft device knowing that they will abandon the platform in order to attempt to force you onto their next platform then you're not just a tool, you're part of the problem.

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    11. Re:Does it matter? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple hit on a good combination while being noticed.

      What Apple did was make a device that worked (relatively) smoothly. While everyone else was dicking around with picking a particular feature set, Apple produced a music player, phone, and tablet that people wanted to use. Case closed. It's not because it did more, or because it was built better, it's because it was (relatively) nice to use. Someone else could have done this sooner, by picking goals which could reasonably be reached with the technology of the day. Instead they always had to push the technology and use every little bit of it from the beginning with the result that they often tried to do too much and wound up sucking.

      Today, practically any device is pleasant to use, because we have finally reached the point where you can throw more silicon at the problem in a portable device. People are all excited about how smooth their dual core phone is, well no shit, whole corporations ran on less processing power until not very long ago. But lots of us will annoyingly and repeatedly point out things like the speed of user experience on 8MHz 68k machines back in the day, including graphics and multitasking, scalable fonts, et cetera. This will not turn into a detailed rant about why programmers today need to man up and go back to assembly, it's just an observation. The point is that we all can have craploads of computing power in our pockets now if we choose to have it, so now the major differentiator is going to switch from whether they manage to make a working product at all from how pleasant it is to use and how pleasant they are to deal with. What Apple accomplished was bringing that sense of pleasantness to mobile devices. We had plenty of wow factor before, but very little polish.

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    12. Re:Does it matter? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The real question why are we so fascinated with Jobs even after he died. He made mistakes just like everyone else.

      Well, no. He made much bigger mistakes than most people, because he was doing much bigger things than most people. The truth is that media culture has made it possible for cults of personality to be (or seem) much more personal than they did in the past. Steve Jobs is more important to more people even after his death than other leaders of business have been during their lives because he is more real to them, as a result of their knowing more about him. You see the same thing at work with all types of celebrity. When people spend a lot of time learning about a person, they've dedicated part of their brain to them. Long-time Slashdotters all have circuitry for processing information about Steve Jobs, Natalie Portman, hot grits, et cetera. Those triggers are simply going to produce more neural activity in us than the general population!

      Back in the 80's PC were popular in a configuration where the monitor sat on top of the CPU. Then it went to towers, in the 90's was the old design wrong? No, it was that people needed to use the floppy disks much more and needed access to the CPU all the time. Then with bigger hard drives it went to something you could interact less with. So a tower you can put under your desk was preferable.

      Back in the nineties and 2000s portable devices were chunky and slow compared to the amount of processing power we were using on the desktop. Today they have more power than most people need at home. It should not surprise anyone that they have become more pleasant to use. It's not about how much processing power they have, it's about the ratio of power provided to power needed. When you have lots of excess, you tend to get more polish and eye candy. The latter attracts users and the former keeps them. Apple got there at the right time with the right product... in part thanks to Steve Jobs.

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    13. Re:Does it matter? by dagamer34 · · Score: 2

      Back when the first iPad was released, even a 4.3" phone was considered extremely large, so a 7-8" tablet would have still been significantly larger than phones of the time. And your point is weakened by the fact that larger screen phones exist today and people are still clamoring for smaller tablets. Besides the iPad, there isn't a single, truly successful 10" tablet, but there are several, well-selling 7" ones.

    14. Re:Does it matter? by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

      here's why it matters. iPad 10" has a 90% size keyboard, sufficient to the point I can touch type at 40wpm. since i use the ipad as a laptop replacement when traveling and need to stay in touch with everybody via email, it is the only size that works.

    15. Re:Does it matter? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      here's why it matters. iPad 10" has a 90% size keyboard, sufficient to the point I can touch type at 40wpm. since i use the ipad as a laptop replacement when traveling and need to stay in touch with everybody via email, it is the only size that works.

      It is the only size that works for you.

      I suspect that was probably your implication, but I've heard so many arguments regarding why Jobs was right and how everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot... although I don't hear them as much now that the Mini is outselling its big brother.

      As an aside - I'm typing this on my iPad Mini, which is my first iPad. I love this thing.

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    16. Re:Does it matter? by leathered · · Score: 3, Funny

      ..where the monitor sat on top of the CPU..

      How could you be so dumb, everyone knows the monitor used to sit on the hard drive.

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    17. Re:Does it matter? by proverbialcow · · Score: 2

      Mine too, except she's complaining about 7.9" vs 4". Also, I don't have a gf any more.

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    18. Re:Does it matter? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The iPad is its self almost exactly the maximum reasonable size for a tablet for most people. Even a tiny bit heavier than the heaviest iPad and many people can't hold it in one hand it for long.

      Size and weight are not directly related. As technology improves you can maintain the same size at reduced weight. It may have been the right weight when it was released, but I maintain that a 9.7" screen is too small for a "full sized" tablet.

      Another aspect which I don't think is being fully considered is inertia (not the watered-down high school version, the full 3x3 tensor). Hold a fork as you naturally would. Notice where it rests in your fingers. It will balance perfectly there. That's not an accident - it was deliberately designed that way. If your center of mass is at the point where the object is supported, the inertia tensor is symmetric. That means when you translate the object, it will not rotate. It feels "balanced". When you raise your fork with food attached, your finger naturally shifts forward to the new CM, keeping it balanced and the inertia tenser symmetric. (This is also why spoons and forks tend to flare out towards the end of the handle - the larger mass there increases the inertia, both making it slower to rotate and decreasing the distance you need to shift to rebalance it with food attached.)

      To see how important this is, grab something like a curtain rod and hold it from the end. Now try pointing at a moving object with it. It'll be difficult because every time you move it (translate it), its inertia will cause a rotation making it point at something else. And every time you try to rotate it, it will want to translate. Your arm/hand effectively has to simultaneously make two corrections (translation and orientation) instead of just one (translation or orientation).

      The same is true for tablets which are balanced at or near the center. That's not where you hand typically holds it, so any lateral movement also causes a rotation. Frequently adding weight to an unbalanced object to move its CM closer to the support point makes it easier to handhold even though it's heavier. Most of the fatigue from handholding an item isn't in supporting the weight (which your arm can easily do unless you're a total wimp). It's from your wrist having to constantly adjust it so it's oriented properly. When properly balanced, there is less need for orientation adjustments, and so your hand experiences less fatigue.

      It's already big enough that it has to have a special split keyboard for some people to be able to type on comfortably. Also the iPad is close to the limit which fits comfortably into your personal space in economy class (no; a laptop is not "comfortable") and feels spacious elsewhere.

      I find it (and 10.1" Android tablets) cramped. If you remove the margins, the informational area of a magazine page or letter/A4-sized sheet of paper is about 12" diagonal. Either Jobs was brilliant and 75+ years of magazine and paper publishers were wrong, or Jobs was wrong and those industries are correct. I tend to think the latter is more likely.

      I agree the physical size of the iPad is very close to the mark (though I prefer 16:10 or 3:2). Roughly the same size as a magazine or sheet of paper. But the screen is too small and the bezel too big. That was a concession to the technology available currently and when it was first released, so I expect as technology improves we'll gradually transition to a 12" screen for full-size tablets.

    19. Re:Does it matter? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Next to NOBODY tried gazillion of cool mp3 players, many of which (Sony's Walkman 8xx series for instance) were superior in all regards (price, build quality, features, easy of use) to iPods (and what not).

      Bullshit. Tons of people tried them, myself included. They were pieces of shit. But frankly we all should have known better after minidisc.

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    20. Re:Does it matter? by vakuona · · Score: 3, Informative

      My first mp3 player was as iAudio M5. The iPod was a far superior product. Heck it was superior to the X5.

      Many makers of mp3 players didn't get that to have 20/30/40GB of music you needed to browse it fast, yet accurately. None touched the scroll wheel in ease of use.

      None also touched the infrastructure that Apple built around the iPod. iTunes was a big deal, and other companies just didn't care to build something like that to go with the music.

    21. Re:Does it matter? by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      I keep wondering what form factor people think these hybrid devices will take. Will the extra screen space fold out or pull out as a slide or scroll from the base device?

      You could have some kind of origami where it collapses or expands based on your current use requirements. The would require the availability to fold the screen somehow.

      A scroll form factor loses one of the benefits of the current table design, which is the rigidity of the screen to be used as a touch interface without deforming under pressure or flexing if held with one hand.

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    22. Re:Does it matter? by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you hear her complaining, the ball gag isn't installed properly.

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  3. It is the lower price sherlock by ruir · · Score: 2

    The mini is still inside what people perceive a "lower" budget. Price both the same and came back with this "study"....

  4. Not just a giant iPhone by Bongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Glossy fine print magazines are horrible on anything less than a 9.7" retina display. The 10" is for the sofa. The smaller tablets are for everywhere else, so they have more usage scenarios. But I wouldn't give up the 10" form, as it is well suited to the sofa.

    Perhaps it was also a better size to kickstart the market. Obviously not a phone, nor a netbook, nor a laptop.

    1. Re:Not just a giant iPhone by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 2

      10" is not very convenient for one handed usage on the bed though..

    2. Re:Not just a giant iPhone by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find ten inches perfect for one handed use in bed, but going back to tablets you may have a point - VHS won over Betamax (in part) because Sony licensed the technology for porn and Betamax refused to - a parallel with Flash today perhaps?

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    3. Re:Not just a giant iPhone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a problem with the magazines. Reading magazine style content formatted for a 7" screen, like Google Player magazines or Flipboard or Currents or Pulse or any of the many others out there, is fine. The problem only surfaces when magazines try to throw out a PDF of the print version, in which case even a 10" display is inadequate unless you like zooming a lot.

      7" is easier to hold, easier to read full width sentences on and easier to take with you without having to switch to another device. They are not bad to type on either, for a touch screen.

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    4. Re:Not just a giant iPhone by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

      You really should have thought carefully before writing the beginning of the sentence. Or maybe you did given the rest of the sentence.

  5. $399 for 16kb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    $25 per kilobyte.. bargain

  6. Hyperbole by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Naturally most of Jobs' public comments were marketing hyperbole. His job and his passion were designing and promoting Apple products. Only a fool would expect him to endorse something he didn't believe was right. This story, though, is a classic what-if. Before the iPad, the current tablet market did not exist. There is no way to know if the current market would exist if the first iPad screen was smaller than 9.7" diagonal. Thus, it is impossible to answer the question posed. We cannot know if Jobs was wrong.

  7. wouldn't have made a difference by 2ms · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The majority of people who have bought Android tablets did so because they do not like Apple rather than because they wanted something with a smaller screen. Additionally, it is easy to forget now, but when the iPad first came out it was widely criticized as being too similar to an iPod Touch. It was only after quite a bit of time that it seemed to start to be taken more seriously despite having a screen with less than half the area of a "real computer".

    1. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by DKlineburg · · Score: 2

      I agree with this. I don't think that there products are terrible, just not what I like. I gave away my iPod as I didn't like how it work. I also spent the extra money for the 8gig when it was still the big one. Everyone has what they like, and you will stick with that name brand. On /. everyone wants to call you a shill for what you like, but I respect others opinions on which you choose. I will get a windows version of something sometime. And am waiting for all the hate I get for liking MS. :)

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    2. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      I chose an Android tablet because I wouldn't have to buy another one if I ran out of storage. Sadly Google seem to think that Android users don't need much local storage too which is why it wasn't a Nexus 7.

    3. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Or maybe the just like Android. I have an Android phone, I like the way it works and I bought a load of apps for the platform that I would like to run on a larger screen. I like being able to copy files to the device directly instead of using a sync app like iTunes. I like the Chrome browser. Rmaps is so good I donated twice.

      Not everything is about hating Apple.

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    4. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The majority of people who have bought Android tablets did so because they do not like Apple rather than because they wanted something with a smaller screen.

      Or one of many other features Apple won't offer. Smaller screen, lower price, ports (SD slot, USB without a dongle, etc), form factors (Transformer-style keyboard dock), stylus support, etc. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some people bought the Thrive just for the replaceable battery...

      Some people will even have bought Android tablets purely because that's what their smartphones use. Not *that* many, though, because I don't think people are thinking as much about cross-device integration as they could be.

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    5. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by phorm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The majority of people who have bought Android tablets did so because they do not like Apple

      Maybe the majority of people on slashdot, but I doubt it's even true with that narrow of a field. There are a few factors:
      a) Price
      b) Convenience
      c) Design/interface
      d) Features

      I service PC's on the side, so I have plenty of time to talk to "regular folk" who are not technically inclined. I also have buddies in retail. Apple sold on brand-recognition for awhile, but Samsung and Asus have become more well-known now too.

      So why do they buy android tablets? Well, basically the price is good and it does what they want. A lot of people just want something that convenient to travel with and that does email, browses the web, and perhaps plays a few games. In the older crowd, the latter tends not to apply.

      These folk used to buy laptops, but when tablets became more common the laptops were overpowered and bulky.

      A full-sized iPad was more convenient in that it doesn't take up much room in a suitcase or whatever, but at the price-point it still had competition from netbooks etc. While more convenient to pack, it still wasn't very fun to travel with as it didn't fit nicely into many purses or pockets.

      The Asus tablets became fairly popular because they had a detachable keyboard (and a lot of people aren't so fond of touchscreens for email), and were a bit cheaper than the iPad.

      Then comes Nexus 7 etc. It fits into a back-pocket on most jeans, or an inner-pocket in a jacket. It slips into a purse easily. It's cheap. It's powerful. It does email, browses the web, video-chat, etc. It'll even do flash but you're hitting a more technical crowd to get that installed

      What it lacks: HDMI connection to plug into TV's, and no "airplay." Miracast will likely replace those in the future with whatever the successor is to the Nexus 7 (I believe that it has the GPU to handle it, but not the wifi, so it won't be available on this model).

      The average person doesn't really connect the tablet to the TV, so even the above are extras.

      The other thing it lacks: A nice way to take/transfer pictures. Other tablets with SD slots would be nice for this, but space is limited. iPad is still a bit bulky for this. Phones aren't bad, but the killer feature would be something to connect the two (wirelessly) to manage photo albums on the camera device from a tablet. It seems that for the moment people are still content to manage pictures on a PC though and do the sync thing.

      So what is an Android tablet lacking that a regular person needs? Not a Linux/Android/Apple fanboi, just a person who wants a portable device?

      a) Price: Check, they're fairly affordable
      b) Convenience: 7" is a very convience size for purses and pockets
      c) Design/interface: One of the best things iDevices did is bring capacitive multitouch to portables. The cheaper Androids often had shitty resistive touch, but that's changed for the most-part.
      d) Features: (remember, regular joe). Email: check, Internet browsing: check, and - dare I say it - porn: check

      Normal people don't love Apple or Android. They might love a particular device. Sometimes they get attached to a brand for awhile, but eventually it comes down to: will this do what I want for the price it's available at.

      Customers ask me which is better. It really comes down to what they want to do with it. For many, a Nexus is fine. Some people want to use their apps on the tablet, or have a media device. In that case, the convenience of iTunes and the availability of peripherals goes in the favor of Apple devices.

      While people may play music on their phones, tablets are often more video-centric, and Netflix combined with the growing Play video collection is turning into a big competitor. If Google (or Samsung, etc) got their sh** together and made a decent platform for music, Apple would really be in trouble, but while they're improving the experience is still rather inconsistent.

    6. Re:wouldn't have made a difference by IANAAC · · Score: 2

      ... I like the iOS user experience better and the selection of apps is much nicer.

      I don't believe this to be true any more.

      Most major app players on iOS have also released Android versions of their software. The selection of available software is quite comparable.

  8. Public vs. inside information by MatrixCubed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It strikes me as odd that "only" a year after Jobs' death, the smaller tablet was released. It seems to me that it would take significantly more time for an executive board to come to an agreement on a new product, then design it, build it, put it through testing, establish a supply chain, etc etc. Jobs knew it was on the design table well in advance of his demise. What the public sees is far different from what takes place inside a company like Apple.

    1. Re:Public vs. inside information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except apple has grown under Tim Cook and they're making record profits.

      Other than that you're completely right

    2. Re:Public vs. inside information by Cwix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really?

      The investors are happy?

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/feb/27/apple-tim-cook-angry-investors-dont-like-it-either

      Apple's stock price was over 700 in October. It is now at 430. Investors are pissed, and they are LOOSING money.

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    3. Re:Public vs. inside information by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      There are several answers to this. One is that Apple, like most companies, presumably has a lot of designs ready to go that management doesn't quite believe in when seeing the final version.

      Another is that the iPad mini's design doesn't actually show signs of being the result of a great amount of thought. It's an older iPad with a smaller screen in a case whose only innovative aspect - if it is to begin with - is the reduction of the bezels on the longer sides. It does strike me as something that Apple's engineers could have put together inside of a month.

      But yeah, Jobs knew he's not infallable. The Cube was a beautiful Mac design that was cancelled, with the Mac Mini coming out a couple of years later. The later was essentially the same concept, indeed a much more powerful machine, but aimed (and priced) at a very different market. And it was a success.

      Jobs oversaw the development of both. It's not impossible to imagine that the iPad mini would have happened under his watch. I just don't think it did.

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  9. It's temporary by phayes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Narrowly looking at sales figures just after the mini was available & attempting to draw long term conclusions is extremely premature. The 7 inch iPad is selling better at present because of the people who wanted a smaller iPad but couldn't buy one.

    Some people who had a 10 in iPad are now migrating to the 7s but the great majority are happier with the larger screen. Once the pent up demand is satisfied I expect the larger iPads will again be the better sellers.

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  10. Yes and no. by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What he did wrong is: pick one size and anoint it The One True Size. Different people want different sizes for different uses. (Right now, I hear a lot of requests for larger tablets).

    Jobs' ability to choose and decide was a blessing and a curse: it keeps the company hacks in line and Jobs was usually right... but he was also sometimes wrong, and, above all, sometimes "picked a winner" when there was room for more than 1 device.

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  11. Re:Yes he made am mistake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I answered all the Genius Questions Correctly and never got a call back

    Gosh, that's surprising given your obviously masterful social skills.

  12. Re:9.7 inches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    > 9.7" should be enough for everybody.

    That's what she said!

  13. He was right by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    During the 2010 Christmas shopping season, Steve Jobs famously dissed the 7-inch tablets being rolled out by competitors, including Samsung's Galaxy, as being 'tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with the [9.7-inch diagonal] iPad,' adding that 'the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA â" dead on arrival.'

    He was right - emphasis on "current crop". Despite announcing that they had shipped 2M Galaxy Tabs to stores in Jan 2011, they only managed to sell 1.4M by Q2 2012.

    It was easier to make a decent small tablet later than it was earlier due to technology improvements. If the first iPad was 7.9" but otherwise used the same battery technology, you'd have seen a lot of people complaining about the battery life - the third generation iPad had a 70% greater capacity than its predecessor, and those improvements to the technology will have made a significant different to the utility of a smaller iPad.

    Of course the Mini is cheaper, but not by much â" $329 vs. $399 for the larger iPad, for the baseline model with WiFi only and 16KB storage.

    That's 16GB storage, not 16KB.

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  14. Hold the press!!! by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Brand new $329 product sells faster than $499 product with minor spec bump! Film at 11! (Comparison with iPad 2 is silly - it is an old product which, has lower specs than the Mini, has the same number of pixels as the Mini, still costs $70 more and will probably be discontinued soon).

    Meanwhile, the first generation of 7", 16:9 tablets of which his Steveness was speaking didn't exactly sell like hotcakes. The format has since been popularised by Amazon and Google offering extra cheap 7" tablets firmly aimed at media consumption (which they may be treating as loss-leaders).

    Its also worth bearing in mind that the Mini isn't a 7" 16:9 tablet, its a 7.9" 4:3 tablet with the same number of pixels as the original iPad. That's a non-trivial difference especially when (e.g.) you want to type in landscape format.

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  15. Re:Maybe he picked the wrong drug altogether by Stormthirst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And that's why a lot of people choose to go straight to palliative care. They might extend their life by 6 months to a year, but the side affects of the treatments are so horrible and you're going to die anyway they'd rather choose the easy path.

  16. Size might not matter... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but what you want to do with it does.

    I'm not normally one to leap to Jobs' defence, but IMO he was right about the preferable size. However, I'm prepared to accept that since my acuity of vision is quite a lot less than 20/20 (I hope this is the only characteristic I share with that man - though I wouldn't object to having as much money), this might affect my perception. My Android phone is adequate for its purposes (actually, I'm very happy with it), but I struggle to use it if I don't have my glasses handy. But if I want a device that's small enough to carry in my pocket, I want it to be small enough to carry in my pocket *comfortably*, and a 7"-plus device doesn't qualify.

    1. Re:Size might not matter... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      My Kindle Fire (7") fits in my trouser(s) pockets just fine, indeed that's where I carry it most of the time. Where is this myth that 7" is "too big for pockets" coming from? A shirt pocket perhaps, but 7" isn't that much bigger than many mobile phones.

      A tablet should be able to go whereever you'd take a notebook (the paper kind, obviously.) That's why the iPad was ridiculously stupidly oversized from the get-go, and is one of the reasons why I'm still baffled it sold as well as it did. I am not surprised that the "iPad mini" has taken off by storm, despite the poor spec and high price. It's the first useful iPad, and the popularity of it reflects that.

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    2. Re:Size might not matter... by anagama · · Score: 2

      I have a Nexus 7 and my wife has a Nexus 10. I thought I'd prefer the 10" too, but when it comes down to my usual use case, i.e., laying back on the couch watching a video, surfing the net, or reading a book, it turns out the 7" size is much more comfortable because I can hold it in one hand, and shift it from hand to hand when either arm gets tired. The ten incher is a two handed device, or requires some kind of stand.

      It will also fit in jacket/vest pockets.

      As for being blind, I have terrible vision in one eye, and merely bad vision in the other. When I'm reading at night I use one of those bendable arm stands but I have to move it to about 10" in front of my face to and jack up the font size to read it without glasses (I've already destroyed one pair by falling asleep wearing them). Even at 7" portrait mode though, it feels weird because my eyes have to move across the sentences from left to right as a result of the large font size. With a 10", the sentences would be even wider, though I suppose I could bump up the font size even more and move it back farther, though I think the effect would be the same and the reach to flip pages kind of awkward.

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    3. Re:Size might not matter... by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's true, though. The Nexus 7 fits into the back pocket of a pair of Levi's 501s, though it's a little too long to be comfortable. It will also fit into the inside pocket of a lot of jackets, but it's a bit heavy to carry there.

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    4. Re:Size might not matter... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, a 7 inch tablet would not fit in my pants pockets. But I have a 31 inch waist and my pants aren't that baggy. Plus I'm a cyclist so my thighs are bigger than average meaning there isn't that much room in my pockets. Some other poster up above says he fits his nexus 7 in his shirt pocket. How big are his shirts? I don't even think I'd be able to fit a galaxy note in my shirt pocket. I could fit a tablet in cargo pants, but I really don't want my daily fashion choices to be influenced by the size of my tablet.

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    5. Re:Size might not matter... by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Speak for yourself. I routinely carry a Nook Simple Touch in my back pocket, which is about the size of a 7" tablet. It's a lot more convenient than carrying a trade paperback book. With a book, I'll probably need to leave the house with a shoulder bag. With the Nook, I just put it in my pocket, irrespective of how long the book I'm reading is. When I want to sit down, I just take it out of my pocket and put it on the table. It works pretty well -- provided, of course, that you live in a city where you don't spend the majority of your time driving.

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    6. Re:Size might not matter... by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      "Get some cargo pants." And travel to the nearest airport for some TSA loving.

    7. Re:Size might not matter... by Macgrrl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem I have with audiobooks, and especially with the concept of listening to them while driving is the amount of mental bandwidth required to actually listen to them and follow the story/argument/whatever.

      Radio is generally disposable noise you can ignore and what follows is still comprehensible. Listening to a book requires comparable attention to reading it. Not good if you are in traffic. And if you aren't really paying attention to it - why bother? Listen to music instead.

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    8. Re:Size might not matter... by dubbreak · · Score: 2

      Actually, not all of the slashdot crowd wear cargo pants.

      Yeah right. And next thing you're going to try and tell me is that not all of the cargo pants are the kind you can zip into shorts.

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  17. Different Sizes, Different Purposes by tsj5j · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the 9.7" came out, people were mocking it as simply a "bigger iPod touch" with no market. This problem would only be amplified with a smaller, 7" form factor.
    The 9.7" made it clear that it was in a market of it's own - it's not simply a slightly bigger phone, nor a netbook without the keyboard.
    Considering the iPad's success, I think that it's pretty clear they got it right (with profits) either way.

    Now, with Steve bashing the 7" screen factor - but OF COURSE! He's a salesman - naturally he'll work hard to tell you why his product is better, and why you shouldn't buy other alternatives.
    Then again, there's some truth to his opinion: having had an iPad for 3 years and moving on to a 7", I felt like the tablet wasn't offering me enough screen estate to justify bringing it out all the time - my 5" smartphone could do everything just as well. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that for some people, a 7" tablet is sufficient for their purposes.

    With the rise of 5.5" and larger smartphones though, I personally think 7" tablets are becoming a smaller market. If I want something bigger than my smartphone, I'd be looking for a 9" and bigger device, not a 7" one. The only thing 7" has going for me is the price.

  18. I don't think he did.... and atm prefer the mini by smash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .... for ONE reason: weight.

    I think the 10" form factor is better - the keyboard is SO much easier to use. But it is just too heavy. If they can get the weight of the 10" model down a bit to something like 3/4 of what it currently is, I think they're on a winner.

    I currently have both an iPad 4 and iPad mini for evaluation purposes and the mini is just so much lighter. But the form factor on the 4 is better for trying to actually do anything other than browse (typing anything, etc).

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  19. Re:He is being miss-quoted by smash · · Score: 2

    Owning both a 4 and a mini - i'd suggest that yes, the touchscreen experience is compromised on the mini. However - the weight is just so much less, i find myself using it more often. But if i need to do any sort of extensive touchscreen or keyboard input, the 4 is far preferable. Its just so heavy...

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  20. Jobs did marketing and spin, and very well at that by Isao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Jobs is FAMOUS for deriding products/features not currently delivered by his company, followed by releasing exactly those features some time later when the market is ready for HIM. (iPod with video, for example.) His strength of personality (and strong products) let him get away with it repeatedly, and few observers ever held him to task for it. The problem with the iPad Mini is that he wasn't around to push it through with his charisma. Clearly it was in the works before he died, and I doubt anything "in the works" would not be known to Jobs.

  21. Not cool by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA — dead on arrival.' A year later Jobs was dead,

    The Jobs was dead thing is not cool. It shouldn't be in the summary.

  22. Re:numbering each slashdot joke by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 2

    And goatse was my father, you insensitive clod!

  23. Jobs the Liar by Doubting+Thomas · · Score: 2

    One thing I think the naysayers have consistently (and stubbornly) misunderstood about Jobs is that his verbiage doesn't mean what they think it means.

    You have a man who was uncomfortable promising things he couldn't deliver, and yet his defining characteristic was that constantly pushed his people to accomplish the improbable. Like a lot of other CEOs, he's going to tell the customer that an infeasible product idea is not going to work, or is impossible. The difference is that while other companies will take this as gospel and will give up on the idea, or at least defund or marginalize the team that was working on the idea, he kept them working on it.

    If he tells you that a 7" tablet won't work, what he actually means is, "It's a shitty experience, and I don't peddle shitty experiences. Come back in a year and ask me again'". If the guy who introduced a tablet that was 1/3rd thinner AND faster than anything you'd ever seen before tells you it's a shitty experience, he's probably right. For now.

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