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Do Kiosks and IVRs Threaten Human Interaction?

DavidGilbert99 writes "According to research by the Hyatt Hotel group, one third of customers are already checking in at self-service kiosks in their hotel lobbies, eschewing the traditional route of the receptionist. This is indicative of a wider trend according to voice recognition experts Nuance who believe we simply never want to talk to a real human again, preferring the clipped, efficient tones of its Nina virtual assistant. Expanding this from mobile to now include the web means we could soon be living in a world where speaking to a real live human is the exception rather than the rule." When things go smoothly, I prefer the automated versions of many things (airport check-in, ordering products to arrive by mail, depositing a check); it's when things go wrong that voice menus and web sites just seem to make simple problems into complicated ones.

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  1. Speed and cost by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just want to check-in faster. I don't care if it's with a person or a kiosk. And if you charge me to talk to a real human, I'll use the machine.

    1. Re:Speed and cost by Samalie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This really is everything.

      Imagine for a second I'm a poor bastard that has been travelling for the last 30 hours. Between flights, security, check-in-delays, etc...I'm fucking BEAT.

      I just want to get in my fucking hotel room as fast as is humanly possible.

      People are (generally) slow. Inefficient. Worse..talkative.

      Bring on the machine!

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    2. Re:Speed and cost by frinkster · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just want to check-in faster.

      That's basically it. When I check in to a hotel, the person at the desk spends five minutes typing on the keyboard. Why? What kind of garbage reservation system are hotels using that forces the worker to type so much?

      Want to reduce your personnel costs? Get a reservation system that doesn't require so much typing and you could have a single clerk at the desk instead of three.

    3. Re:Speed and cost by lxs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Human interaction can be invigorating, and psychologically refreshing.

      Agreed, but when facing an overworked underpaid desk attendant who has had to deal with 35 cranky customers before coffee it tends to be a chore for both parties.

    4. Re:Speed and cost by jandrese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is also true at airports. When I do a self-service checkin it's 2 minutes of "scan credit card", hit "decline offer" half a dozen times, and get my printout. If I go to a person they are apparently required to type out War and Peace to complete every single transaction on their terminal and it takes ten times as long to check in.

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    5. Re:Speed and cost by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      AS/400 green screen character display archaics from the early 80s are to blame.

      No, no they aren't. It doesn't matter if you have a GUI or not. Also, they do effectively have a GUI. Those terminals understand fillable fields and the system presents an interface for you to fill out. There's no technical reason it can't ask them for the same information for which it asks you, and present its responses without graphics. Those systems were designed to be changed by the very way you build applications on those mainframes. Change the layouts, change the program, it's easy.

      The problem is that the applications are poorly designed for the purpose of getting you through the airport quickly. I don't know what their actual purpose is, but that's the case.

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    6. Re:Speed and cost by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmmm, GP says they'd rather avoid people when they're stressed and tired and not in the mood.

      You then respond by getting judgmental. You toss out a platitude about the benefits of human interaction and then proceed to insult them. Cause there's nothing like being snide to encourage human interaction. (I guess being insulted could technically count as "invigorating", not so sure about the "refreshing" part though.)

      You know, just going by the sample comments, i think i'd rather talk to the GP when the GP is in the mood to talk, and just avoid you. Unless you want to make the defense that you're currently stressed and tired and not really up to decent human interaction at the moment?

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    7. Re:Speed and cost by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      That only works if the human has some level of decision-making power. These days, many humans you interact with in a business context are essentially front-ends to the software. The computer says you are assigned to room #231, that's where you go: Because the computer also made sure that the cleaners were scheduled beforehand.

      What happens if the employee does decide to upgrade you? They get fired, even if it's over something as simple as putting a few extra chocolate sprinkles on your food: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/09/26/mcdonald-s-fired-me-after-sprinkling-too-much-chocolate-on-a-mcflurry-91466-31904726/

    8. Re:Speed and cost by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So why not let me swipe my card and auto-fill the fields for those poor people at the desk? It is seriously dumb to force them to type all of that stuff in.

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    9. Re:Speed and cost by Mystakaphoros · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now what I'd love is an automated check-out at the liquor store, because getting to know the cashiers *there* gets a little embarrassing.

    10. Re:Speed and cost by zarmanto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...when facing an overworked underpaid desk attendant...

      Bingo. This is exactly why I came to the comments of this post... to call "bull" on Nuance, for the very reason that you've already cited:

      ...experts Nuance who believe we simply never want to talk to a real human again...

      Nuance assumes that people don't want to have conversations with customer service reps -- but what they fail to consider is that most people do indeed enjoy human interaction... when it's actually human interaction. Whether it's the rep behind the counter at a hotel with their fake plastic smile and artificially exaggerated concern for your exhaustion, or the cashier at your local supermarket with their scowl and monotonous droning "Thank you... have a nice day..." it's all just forced and... well, predictably inhuman.

      Generally speaking, people love interacting with their friends -- and for some of us, that even includes family -- and that type of camaraderie has largely been lost in today's customer services... the small town where you know Doris behind the register at the supermarket and your good buddy Joe who pumps your gas for you is gone. So the reaction from far too many people in "customer service" roles are, quite frankly, already so robotic as to offer no real advantages over the automated check-in kiosk and automated check-out registers... so why wouldn't I want the efficiency of an actual robot?

      Now, mind you, if more companies were intentionally hiring employees who show genuine customer focused attitudes -- for example, in the same fashion as the folks running Chick-fil-a seem to have done -- then the pendulum might start swinging back the other way. In the absence of that, I'll go to the kiosk at every opportunity.

    11. Re:Speed and cost by Zeromous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Coded in vi, notepad or dreamweaver, I fail to see the connection.

      It just so happens that a CSS whiz is no more a programmer than a programmer is a UI/psychology professional. It also happens that a UI/psychology isn't very good at either of these.

      During these times we find that what is simple often works best (until it is replaced (but usually augmented) by something even more simple). Keyboard meet mouse. Wait you mean you want to take my keyboard!!!!!?

      AS/400 forms are simple, follow basic consistent rules and reliably submit/check data. They were developed to be as simple, as lightweight and fast as possible, by very knowledgable (even if green) scientists (not ajax wizards with something to prove). They counted keystrokes, error rates and workflow shifts. In this area AS/400 is just hard to beat.

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    12. Re:Speed and cost by postbigbang · · Score: 3

      Might also be anxiety disorder. There are lots of people that fear conversational interaction, for many, many reasons. They perceive machines as being faster, and never able to cause them personality problems, like being curt, funny, or other emotional responses that they're not good at interacting with.

      There are some really shy and introverted people out there, and IVRs and kiosking are heaven-sent for them. I don't include myself in the mix, but know many who will happily avoid humanity out of anxiety, fear, or inability to interact well with others, spontaneously.

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  2. There has to be a way to get out of the IVR by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems 90% of the time I can't use the IVR since for that kind of thing I would have used the web page, which means I am now stuck trying to get a human which is getting harder and harder. I suspect that this is intentional, the longer you have to play around with the IVR the shorter the queue wait times are in the call center.

    1. Re:There has to be a way to get out of the IVR by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You might try looking up the company at GetHuman. They've got a pretty good database of the arcane paths you need to follow through the IVR systems to get to a person.

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  3. There is a difference by MasseKid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a difference between interacting with an average human and interaction with someone getting paid minimum wage. There's no value added by the later.


    On two recent trips I had drastically different experiences. Front desk clerk at a cheaper hotel took 25 minutes to check in the three people in our group. We asked about simple things like which of the three restaurants next to the hotel was better and he couldn't even tell us what restaurants were next to the hotel. The second was at a much nicer hotel. The person behind the counter was clearly paid more, smiled, and was very nice. It took them all of about 10 minutes to get all four rooms of the group checked in, including changing floors for one of them. They also made some great recommendations for food.

    What people want is value added. I'd never check in via a kiosk for the second hotel, but I'd be very glad to check in via a kiosk at the first. Not wanting interaction with idiots isn't the same as not wanting interaction with people.

  4. Often the same thing by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I'm at a counter and the person behind the counter is just reading things off a screen to me, what's the point? If the person adds nothing to the transaction, what I really should be talking to them about is what they are going to do after their job is eliminated.

  5. Another interpretation by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1/3 of the Hyatt's guests are tech savvy introverts who have figured out that they can lessen stress inducing interactions. The other 2/3s are either extroverts or introverts who haven't figured out how to use the kiosks.

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  6. Voice recognition currently is horrible by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many times recently have you tried to call say a cell phone or cable company only to go through the decision tree hierachy that does not give are you an option your need, but you don't find that out until you are 3 or 4 levels down on the tree and you have already invested 10 minutes and then r put in a wait queue for another 20 just to find out you are in the wrong place. That design may save on some human salaries but at the cost of many very pissed off clients.

    I think most people would like to talk with a person that can understand what you need and help. We certainly don't have a technology yet that allows a machine to take that place.

    There also seems to be the effect if not the intent to limit access to only certain problems or complaints which you can do by design with an automation but not a person. So limited access for complaints is the other problem.

  7. Meh If thats what you call interaction by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Coffee with milk and no sugar"
    "That will be three dollars"
    "thanks"

    OMG! The meaningful interactions I will miss! What am I going to miss out on? Meaningless protocol driven exchanges? The occasional moments where protocol breaks and customer and server have a brief moment of human interaction? Frankly, if it bothers you to lose these minute interactions, then you have bigger issues.

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    1. Re:Meh If thats what you call interaction by Chelloveck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Coffee with milk and no sugar"
      "That will be three dollars"
      "thanks"

      "Coffee with milk and no sugar"
      "You said you wanted 'coffee'. If that is correct, say yes."
      "Yes."
      "Would you like milk with that?"
      "I just said, 'milk and no sugar'!"
      "I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Please answer 'yes' or 'no'."
      "Yes."
      "Would you like sugar with that?"
      "What? No, dammit!"
      "I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Please answer 'yes' or 'no'."
      "No!"
      "What size would you like?"
      "Large."
      "I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Please answer 'grande', 'venti', or 'tall'.
      "Um, which is the big one?"
      "I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Please answer 'grande', 'venti', or 'tall'.
      "Whichever is biggest."
      "I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Please answer 'grande', 'venti', or 'tall'.
      "Tall! Give me a tall!"
      "I'm sorry, we're sold out of the beverage you ordered, or one or more of the add-ins. Please make another selection and start again."

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  8. Not at the grocery store by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe a kiosk at a hotel is fine, but self-checkout at the grocery store is usually a pain in the neck. More often than not there is some sort of problem, even when scanning normal items, so you end up needing the help of a person to clear the error anyway. Of course the person who does this also attends to a register, so they have to wait until the people in their lane have been helped first before they can help you, so it ends up taking longer than if I just went straight to the human cashier.

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  9. Inevitable. by Anarchy24 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't want to wait in a line if I have a simple transaction - like checking into a hotel or printing tickets. Faster line to the kiosk, faster service by the kiosk, (usually) no confusion on the part of the computer. I like to have the opportunity to do things for myself, before having to rely on another person - often, this is not possible. Complex problems require human intervention. Computer errors too. And customer service by a computer exacerbates problems, because it is perceived as insincere and says, "we don't care about you and we aren't going to waste our time on you". Human workers will always be necessary - but in declining numbers, as machines become increasingly efficient and capable of performing complex tasks that could only have been done by a human before.

    And for as fun/cool/effective as technology is, Slashdot readers are innovating their own demise.

  10. Better a robot than a human robot? by jurgen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with human interaction in much of the service industry today is that most of the corporate employees we have to interact with are so dis-empowered, they really are just robots... they act according to very limited scripts with neither real knowledge about the systems of which they are part nor any real decision making power. So they are just robots with the additional defect that they execute their programs imperfectly because they human and even have hurt feelings when you swear at them because of their incapacity to actually help you. This is frustrating for the customer and dehumanizing for the employee. So better real robots than fake (human) robots, right? Just so long as they understand "let me talk to a human"...

    (And then there's the small problem of all the low-end jobs we're eliminating, etc, etc, but hey, progress is progress.)

  11. Supermarket self check-out as a model by slickrockpete · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The supermarket self checkout systems are a model of how automated kiosks can work and make things a little more humane.
    Typically they have one person monitoring and helping people for 6 machines. If it's done well that person engages each person pro-actively to make sure they are getting what they want and the process goes smoothly and is watching to make sure nobody is gaming the system. That last thing is the real reason the person is there and so helpful, but because of that the process is much smoother and *more* personable. Contrast that with the typical human supermarket checkout. The cashier is scanning the items as quickly as possible looking down at the groceries and the screens. The customer is staring at the card swiper and entering a pin or loyalty card number. The only time they make eye contact is when there's cash back or handing over the receipt.