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Most Doctors Don't Think Patients Need Full Access To Med Records

Lucas123 writes "While electronic medical records (EMR) may contain your health information, most physicians think you should only be able to add information to them, not get access to all of the contents. A survey released this week of 3,700 physicians in eight countries found that only 31% of them believe patients should have full access to their medical record; 65% believe patients should have only limited access. Four percent said patients should have no access at all. The findings were consistent among doctors surveyed in eight countries: Australia, Canada, England, France, Germany, Singapore, Spain and the United States."

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  1. Conspiracy! by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What could possibly be in my medical records that they don't want me to know about?

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    1. Re:Conspiracy! by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      The price tag

    2. Re:Conspiracy! by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The mistakes

    3. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Notes.

      For example:

      "Patient responds well to placebos"

      "Patient is a looney hypochondriac, but has lots of money. Recommend all possible expensive tests."

      "Patient is an addict, faking symptoms in order to get painkillers."

      etc.

    4. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well... what they did :-)

      I guess doctors make wrong or let's say suboptimal decisions all the time, it's just that rarely people get so bad or die because of it so you actually get into malpraxis discussions. They want no patient oversight of what they are doing because a 5 minutes google search might convince you they are not doing a stellar job after all.

      In Romania we have a law, that they "forget" to change every year, stating that the dead guy (and only him) must personally ask in writing for the medical records. In case someone dies from malpraxis no-one has access to that anymore so basically you can't argue malpraxis for people who died (therefore we have a statistically excellent medical system).

      So yes, I'd go with conspiracy.

    5. Re:Conspiracy! by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What could possibly be in my medical records that they don't want me to know about?

      20 years ago my 35 year old friend died from stomach cancer. 8 years prior a radioligist failed to do his/her job correctly by not noticing a tiny white dot, so for 8 years the cancer grew until any swallowed food was blocked from continuing on into his body. Coincidentally, my friend's wife happened to work in the records room of his HMO (it's name rhymes with 'gyp'), and snuck his medical records out. The widow received a large wrongful death settlement only because of her having physical possession of his records, else no one would have known the true cause of his provider's negligence.

      That's one reason why you would want full access to your own records.

    6. Re:Conspiracy! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or,

      "I'm not going to do test X because the lab I own doesn't sell that service, but I'll send him for an extra MRI because I've got a boat payment to make".

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    7. Re:Conspiracy! by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

      I worked in the medical industry, handling medical data. This is exactly what they don't want you to see.

      Patient records are riddled with notes intended only for internal use. To a doctor, it's nothing special that you suffered explosive diarrhea in the middle of the hospital elevator - that happens once a week, and it could be medically important. To a patient, that's a terribly embarrassing episode that shouldn't be in records, and even considering storing such a thing is grounds for a lawsuit. That lawsuit would be argued in front of people outside a hospital setting, who would be biased in favor of the patient. In front of a hospital ethics board, tthe incident is just another bad day for the janitor.

      To use the traditional car analogy, hospitals are much like body shops. You really don't need to know every point that was inspected, every noise source that was considered, or the internal notes from the mechanic about how you question every repair so he should make sure to only finish work on days the manager's available. Most of the information is obvious to someone knowledgable, useless to someone who knows nothing, and ammunition for someone who knows just enough to be dangerous.

      On the other hand, what does the patient need to see? Doctors know that old records are unreliable, so history beyond a few years old doesn't really matter if it's slightly inaccurate. Current treatment is usually handled by a single primary doctor, who knows what makes sense for a particular patient, so inaccuracies there don't matter either.

      Sure, it's information about the patient, but giving out all the details just causes more trouble than good.

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    8. Re:Conspiracy! by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Patient responds well to placebos"
      "Patient is a looney hypochondriac, but has lots of money. Recommend all possible expensive tests."
      "Patient is an addict, faking symptoms in order to get painkillers."

      My knee-jerk reaction to this is of course "there's NO good reason to withhold my medical information from me!", which was only made worse by the surprising statistics of doctors that wanted to keep it hidden from my view. But you raise some very good points.

      Perhaps what's needed here is a two-section medical record. Things that should be shared with the patient, (which should be the default behavior) and things that should NOT be shared with them, for their own benefit. The patient should not be able to determine if the "not to share" section contains information or not.

      But as for the 2nd of your examples, yes a hidden feature is abusable. But this is your DOCTOR we're talking about. They are in a position of trust. If you don't trust your doctor, you need to find a new one. If you're a doctor and you've proven yourself untrustworthy, you need to be delicensed. It should be safe to assume you can trust your doctor. Given that, they should be allowed to selectively hide information from you for your benefit.

      Like the old saying goes, there are two people in life you should never lie to: your doctor, and your lawyer. Because it's their exclusive job to represent and protect your best interest. And you need to be able to completely trust them both, because your health and your freedom are on the line, and they're the ones you're relying on to protect that.

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    9. Re:Conspiracy! by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Patient is an addict, faking symptoms in order to get painkillers."

      This one actually happened to an old friend of mine. He had in the past had issues with substance abuse and it had made its way into his medical records. Fast forward a couple of years and shows up at the ER with a pretty nasty injury after chopping wood and they outright refuse to give him any painkillers except ibuprofen...

      Took 24+ hours before he and several others were able to convince the doctors that he needed real pain relief.

      A number of states now have databases of patients that doctors label as such for other doctors and pharmacies to watch out for.

      Unfortunately, doctors are generally woefully unequipped to treat pain, particularly long-term pain. Plenty of addicts are made by the medical profession, something they don't like to admit.

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    10. Re:Conspiracy! by aethelrick · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found that here in the UK, doctors tend to develop shorthand just in case anyone (like a nosy relative) looks at the patients notes in hospital... a nice one that stands out in my mind is "NFN" which is taken to mean that the patient is mentally impaired and thus requires extra care/attention when being spoken to. When I asked a doctor friend of mine what "NFN" stood for he chuckled and said... "Normal for Norfolk".

    11. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, doctors are generally woefully unequipped to treat pain, particularly long-term pain. Plenty of addicts are made by the medical profession, something they don't like to admit.

      Posting as AC for obvious reasons but... Yes I would agree that a lot of addicts get their drugs directly from a doctor. It just takes one injury that causes chronic pain and you're often left with two choices in the end: Try and live with the pain, or become an addict. I don't necessarily mean mental addiction, but there is no way to avoid the physical addiction. I was hurt, and was on narcotics for years. They finally were able to perform a procedure that didn't remove the pain, but got it down to the bearable level it was at when I was medicated. I was virtually pain free, even at the lowest dose of my medication. I asked the doctor to take me off completely and we spent months and months weening me off. Within 3 days of taking that last dose, I thought I was dying. It was the most miserable experience in the world. At least, I thought so at the time. It's been almost a year since I've touched the stuff, but the first few weeks were the only time in my life where I ever thought I needed a drug to live. I had to flush my stockpile of medication down the toilet for fear that I would, in my weakness, use it.

      Unfortunately for me, the procedure was only a temporary fix. It will help me for 6-24 months. I've also discovered that I still have bad days. Days where I can't get out of bed in the morning due to pain. So, now I find that I am going to have to ask my doctor for a limited supply of meds anyway, just to deal with this occasional issue. I could have gone on long term disability years ago, but I prefer to work. I can't keep a job if I can't get out of bed, however. It's a terrible situation to be in, and I would never wish it upon my greatest enemy. I wouldn't even subject the man who did this to me to this kind of life.

    12. Re:Conspiracy! by bl968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I observe every single thing done to my car. I am there in the shop as they do them; not in the waiting room. I have seen belts put on backwards, i have seen a mechanic raise my hood into the ceiling. I also come out with a full understanding of what needed to be done on my vehicle and why. Healthcare is the same. You should have full access to YOUR records.

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    13. Re:Conspiracy! by satsuke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, malpractice insurance is around 2.4% of the overall cost.

      http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/medical-liability-costs-us/

    14. Re:Conspiracy! by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, the reason why American health care is so expensive is a lack of preventative care and free riding. In other nations, because everybody is in the system, everybody pays into it. The only people who don't have no money and are a significant minority. The US, that minority has been about 40m people out of a population of about 310m and those people aren't opting out completely, either they wind up in Medicare eventually or they get their services through the ER at the local hospital.

      Regulations are not a part of the problem to the extent that it's worth worrying about until we get those other things fixed. Then we might need to fix the regulatory environment.

    15. Re:Conspiracy! by Fastolfe · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm saying expensive cancer drugs are banned because they would increase healthcare costs to US levels:

      This is the key point. The American health care system is expensive because we demand expensive health care.

      For those of us with insurance, we pick the best treatments, not the most economical. For those of us that can afford to choose what hospitals we get non-emergency treatment at, we pick the ones that have the experts, and the robot surgery facilities, and the fancy new MRI and PET scanners. Prices are set by contract with the insurance company, so why wouldn't we pick the one with the best marketing/facilities?

      When we have bad outcomes, we sue the doctors, the hospital, the equipment manufacturers. We (via our lawyers) say things like, "they should have done more." This encourages them to practice medicine defensively: use the more expensive drugs, book more time on the expensive imaging devices, pay out settlements as a cost of doing business. And so, as time goes on, consumption of expensive health care rises as expensive health care options proliferate. In some ways this is good (sometimes the expensive options actually are better), but usually it's just wasteful.

      It's easy to blame "free riders" and EMTLA, but this is a small fraction of healthcare expenses in the US.

    16. Re:Conspiracy! by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a lawsuit, the trouble's already arrived, and the records can do more good than harm.

      The real problem isn't really patients knowing their records, but rather patients taking their records out of context, without understanding what each note means. Ten minutes on the Internet, and patients get a huge list of questions about every trivial detail in their records, and they'll be sure to waste the doctor's time with them at the next appointment. They'll think that a noted tiny chance of a problem is a major issue, They'll see every mistake is a gamble with their life.

      Not every patient, of course... but just enough to make medicine even harder than it is.

      An interesting anecdote: About two decades ago, my father developed cancer. He had surgery, which went well and led to a complete recovery. At one of his follow-up appointments, his doctor told him something from his record, that he'd kept secret. As it turns out, my father had actually died on the table. He's always known he was allergic to all seafood (and that was noted in the record), but it's actually a particular iodine compound that's the culprit. That compound was used in the normal surgical antiseptic, and was never before thought to be an allergen. During surgery, he had a severe reaction and had a severe heart attack.

      The surgeons of course noticed immediately, treated the heart attack, then finished the cancer surgery, then the doctors included treatment afterward to clean up the mess. It was all detailed in the record, and any inquiry (or future surgical plans) would have clearly seen it, but it wasn't something my father needed to know in the months after surgery. After such an ordeal, the extra stress of knowlege would have only hindered recovery. Ignorance can indeed be bliss.

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    17. Re:Conspiracy! by quantumghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Price gouging... Private hospital in tiny town: $18,000 for 36 hours in a womens health room with a straight saline drip, half of that bill was for the saline drip (billed as "IV therapy", it had no meds in it and was only there so they had a line open if needed) Closest hospital equipped to deal with a 7 week preemie: $17,000 for 10 days stay total. Lifeflight, 3 days high risk pregnancy observation and blood pressure treatment, c-section, 7 days of recovery, and emergency hemorrhage treatment 2 days after the c-section

      Even couple hour ER trips on the weekends where they just tell us "Sorry you're in blinding pain but I don't feel like doing anything, have some tylenol" result in multiple $5,000-10,000 bills from the hospital, doctor, nurses, oncall surgeon/anesthesia/radiology who wasn't even there and did noting.

      I'm sorry, but [citation needed] here. I work in the health industry. A helicopter flight alone to a close hospital is on the order of $10,000. One figure quoted to me was that it costs $1,000 to wheel the bird out of the hanger (granted, likely a mark-up). ICU care is on the order of $3,000-5,000 a day minimum, without major intervention. A c-section is going to be on the order of $10,000-30,000 itself. The OR is billed on the order of $30-100 per minute. Blood is a couple hundred (~$500) per/unit. This doesn't even include the cost of medications or ancillary services.

      Your bill for a high risk pregnancy/premie treatment is more likely billed at $170,000, and in reality could reach $250,000. What you saw was probably a negotiated price from your health insurance, or mark-down from medicaid

      I will agree that your community hospital bill was way out of line, but the upgrade in care, especially at a teaching hospital is going to be much higher.

      Also a 7 week premie is non-viable. That is considered a spontaneous abortion. You probably meant to say a 32-week premie, which while serious, is a very survivable stage with modern care. (Premies are classified by length of gestation, not by the time remaining.) And FWIW, the current cut off (e.g. documentation of survival) is at about 25 weeks, it improves at 26 weeks where the mortality (chance of death) is about 50%

      As an aside, I threw out those figures off the top of my head, and decided to verify and add the citations....I was pretty damn close (off on the ICU by about $1,000/day, but I was still in the ballpark). I'm either: that cynical or I've been at this too long....

    18. Re:Conspiracy! by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both of my two children were born around 31 weeks. The first was in a ICU for 3 weeks, and humidicrib for about 4 weeks.
      My second was healthier (wife managed to get steriods to improve the baby's lungs before birth), but was still in hospital for around 5 weeks.
      My wife was admitted to hospital during both pregnancies multiple times due to excessive vomiting.

      We calculated the total cost to us for both pregnancies - it was around $200. Thankfully we live in Australia were there is a proper health care system.

    19. Re:Conspiracy! by sgent · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not what the book says...

      1) Quoting directly from the manual... "When Counseling and/or coordination of care dominates (more than 50%) the physician / patient... encounter, then time may be considered...

      2) The actual code 99215 (level 5 existing patient office visit" reads "Physician's *typically* spend 40 minutes face-to-face". That statement only is applicable if #1 above applies. If not "...requires 2 of three key components". Typical doesn't mean every visit. Also I quoted the 5 minute visit for a level 4 visit. In a stable diabetic, treating a skin infection (for instance) may only take 5 minutes, which is enough time for a detailed history of the illness and the medical decision making which is of moderate complexity -- thus its a 99214 if all the physician does is write an antibiotic script.

      Medicare alone has about 250 pages on how to code an E&M (office) visit, from two separate policy manuals, and most insurance companies (every one I've ever dealt with) use Medicare's definition. The CPT manuals I've looked at usually just barely touch the surface of the full regulations.

  2. But no mention of why by kdataman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was surprised that in the article and in the linked survey article there was no mention of WHY a doc would want to restrict information.

  3. I develop an EHR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We had to take out a feature that let patients update their medical history online (which is a great feature because then the patient isn't be forced to memorydump in the clinic, there's a reason they tell you to write all this down and bring it a notebook when you see the doctor) because they were trying to removing items from the medical history in order to get claims paid that were rejecting for pre-existing conditions.

    Now that obamacare is putting an end to the pre-existing condition thing, we may put it back, we'll see if the docs want it though. I believe the 65 percent is right though. On the other extreme, my boss believes that the patient should own their own medical record as a file they carry with them everywhere on a thumbdrive, I see that as a recipe for lost records and forgotten passwords. The alternative to having it on your person being Microsoft HealthVault still doesn't exactly make me tremble with joy.

    1. Re:I develop an EHR by toebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The easy way around this is to treat a medical records system like an accounting system. You can't delete any record you can only add corrections. Anyone reading the record would be able to see the "erroneous" entries as well as the justification for correcting them.

  4. Obvious reason by geekmux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You see a simple folder full of your medical history.

    Your doctor sees it as a book of half-truths that can be twisted to create liability in a multitude of ways.

    Remove the liability here, and these results would change.

    1. Re:Obvious reason by haystor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      John Edwards and his kind are the reason. Many malpractice suits don't have any scientific basis, it's just a matter of running a sympathetic "victim" in front of a jury.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/aug/16/20040816-011234-1949r/?page=all

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  5. Information != Knowledge by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Information != Knowledge. It's already a big problem for doctors that patients come in demanding this or that treatment that they've read about on the internet, often with no real understanding of whether it's appropriate for them, or whether it's actually an effective treatment at all. I would imaging this is what is behind the doctors attitude in this study; full access to medical records will probably only increase that trend, with people trying to interpret their own records, and saying why did I not get such and such a treatment that I found on Google. That's not to say I agree with the doctors stance, but I can see where they're coming from.

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    1. Re:Information != Knowledge by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doctors don't know everything. They're trained to spot the most common problems, but it's really, really easy to stump a doctor. My GF has been having dizzy spells. She went to her GP, who sent her to an ENT, who sent her to an audiologist. None had any ideas.

      So she spends some time on Google, and finds out that dizziness can be a side effect of gall bladder attacks(through over stimulation of the vagus nerve which causes a sudden drop of blood pressure). And she had seen the same GP a year earlier about her gall bladder problems. Why didn't the GP pick this up?

      No, patients should be encouraged to do as much research as they can. You as a patient care more about your issue than anyone else. You know more about your body than anyone else. You should be a partner with your doctor in your own health care.

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    2. Re:Information != Knowledge by ledow · · Score: 4, Informative

      With my ex-wife, we only managed to get a (now-multiply-confirrmed) diagnosis of her inherent genetic condition after 30 years of misdiagnosis by dozens of doctors. With the help of Google. Yes, I'm sure lots of people waste their time and it's a haven for hypochondriacs but it's also an invaluable resource when doctors are as overworked/lazy as they are.

      Her condition is JHS - joint hypermobility syndrome (also called HMS) that can come from over-extending joints (e.g. ballet dancers, gymnasts) or - in her case - from a genetic predisposition to a collagen deficiency. It was almost unheard of until a decade of so ago (and I've since seen another diagnosis of it in the school I work for) and there is little research on it - it's one UK doctor's pet research project, but by all accounts he's a bit of an arsehole.

      It's misdiagnosed by most doctors as arthritis because the chronic joint pain associated with it is easier to write off as that than anything else (even in 20-30 year olds). In fact, it's the exact opposite - sufferers can do the splits and bend over backwards to rival the best contortionists but have chronic pain, whereas arthritis LIMITS joints movement and have chronic pain.

      There's a simple ten-point test that's taken as official diagnosis, one point if you can place your hands flat on the floor without bending your knees, for example. Everyone in the world scores about 2-3. Flexible people can score 3-5. JHS sufferers score 8-10. My ex- scored 10 and always will, even when she's 80. It's the prime diagnostic for it, as they don't even have isolated genetic tests for it yet.

      The process to find out what the condition was (from just 30 years of constant arthritis diagnoses and treatments to help loosen joints, etc.) was:

      a) I had to explain to her that normal people AREN'T in pain 24 hours a day (when you live with it all day, every day, you just assume everyone else does but keeps quiet and soldiers on) and that your shoulder/hip shouldn't just "fall out of the socket" once a week or so (I became expert at putting them back in).

      b) I collected her symptoms, went on Google, found this (rare, genetic) condition that matched. There was precisely one doctor actively researching it, but it was in all the medical textbooks. Arthritis wasn't even close to matching the symptoms, but it was listed under the arthritis departments and diagnoses every time because it's SO often mis-diagnosed (which makes you wonder how 20+ doctors missed it).

      For instance, one of the symptoms is a reduced effectiveness of anaesthetics, and my ex- had a chronic fear of dentists because - even when anaesthetised - it hurt her too much. That's too simple to be a diagnostic on its own, but after 20+ such odd foibles of her health explained within 10 minutes of reading, things started to click (and not just her joints!).

      c) We took it to our doctor. He was overjoyed and keen. He had a diagnosis that he'd never seen before, it fitted the symptoms he had recorded in her notes perfectly, it was commonly mistaken for the arthritis that doctors before him had diagnosed. He was able to say that 20+ doctors before him were wrong, that "he'd" spotted the problem, and prove it. He ran off, researched it himself, and said he thought we were right.

      d) He sent us to a specialist (ironically, an arthritis consultant). They confirmed the diagnosis in seconds, and said they would have been able to in seconds for the previous few decades as it was well-known to them even if there was little they (or anyone else) could do to treat it.

      e) She received treatment (physio, painkillers, etc.), an official diagnosis, found support groups, was made aware of the chances of passing it on to our daughter (who has a much milder form, that isn't pain-associated, which probably means she'll be good at ballet and gymnastics and not suffer like her mother, but she'll still carry the gene and needs to know that when she gets older), got on with her life, and hasn't been back to a doctor for anyth

  6. Not really surprising by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some doctors will argue that by allowing the patient full access to the notes in the system, a doctor may be less frank about the mental condition of the patient or be reluctant to place information in the record which reflects poorly on the patient's demeanor, such as cooperativeness, a tenancy toward hypochondria, or just plan belligerence. In their defense, this honesty could lead to lawsuits (in the worst cases). Even in the instance where it's a simple difference of opinion, some patients are going to be fairly vocal about having the records changed or modified to suit their version of reality (correctly or not), resulting in more time spent by the doctor and administrative staff on uncompensated work.

    Now, the best way to combat this is to allow comments on the records by patients. It will keep some of the sillyness out of records (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/The-Last-Page-UBI-in-the-Knife-and-Gun-Club.html) and will allow legitimate differences of opinions. A chart which is riddled with patient comments contradicting past providers will be just as valuable to a future provider as a note that the patient is difficult or uncooperative in treatment decisions.

    Another item of concern is from the insurer's side. There will be people who attempt to expunge their records of items which decrease their insurability or increase their rates (and this will only get worse with mandatory insurance without cost caps or guaranteed rates). The way the questions were worded wasn't mentioned in the fine article, so if write/erase access was included in "full access," then continuity of care may be jeopardized by those seeking to minimize the impact of previous conditions on current health care rates - or simple embarrassment.

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  7. Re:Necessary for MD's to do their job by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with limited access and the record keepers determining what is/isn't available is that it creates a strong pressure to hide things that should normally be available for less-than-honest reasons. Just look at all the information our government classifies and the types of things we've seen declassified years later. It's as likely as not that information is being hidden not to protect the patient, but rather to protect the doctor.

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  8. Re:doctors are overpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you kidding? To become that pediatrician that doctor went to 4 years of undergraduate college, then 4 years of medical school (which has an average cost of >100,000), then completed 3 years of residency (making around 45k/yr). So now they are in their mid 30's, have a mortgage payment due every month, and all so they can work 120 hours a week so they can see enough patients to keep the doors to the practice open and pay their insurance company the ludicrous amount needed for malpractice protection from the sea of parasitic attorneys looking for a quick settlement.

    Get real, the waste in the healthcare sector is not in doctor's earnings. If anything, they deserve more for all the crap they have to deal with day in and day out.

  9. The difference between doctors and god by Patrick+May · · Score: 4, Funny

    God doesn't think he's a doctor.

  10. Possible compromise? by Millennium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Split the record into a "data" section and a private "remarks" section. Patients get unrestricted access to their own data sections, but require a court order to see the remarks. Establish clear rules for what can go in the remarks section: everything else must go into data, and inappropriate use of the remarks section itself counts as a minor form of malpractice.

    This should strike an appropriate balance. Patients can still get at the significant stuff, and they have recourse to get the rest if it's truly necessary. Doctors can continue to comment frankly about patients-from-Hell, without having to worry about being embarrassed unless they already have much bigger problems.

  11. Foolishness by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

    My mother has worked in the medical industry her whole life on the administrative side. Since I was a kid, she would always go on and on about "always get your full medical record, check it for errors. Always ask for an itemized bill and check it as well." Then, a few years ago she got cancer, and thankfully survived and is cancer free after several surgeries and radiation treatment. And guess what... her persistence paid off. She again asked for an itemized bill, something that, over the years they've gotten more and more reluctant to give us... and the hospital had literally double charged her for everything. 2 pillows, 2 blankets, 2 room stays. They tried to argue this with her, but she had experience in the medical field and pointed out to them that if she had received the dosage of general anesthetic listed on the bill she'd be dead. The insurance company hadn't even caught it. She saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they sent her a letter thanking her for her diligence. She only saved herself a few hundred dollars in co-pays, but she was proud none-the-less. Your medical record is yours, not the doctors. You should have full access to everything in it, and should be able to remove anything that you feel is inaccurate at will.

  12. Re:Fuck the medical profession by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what hidden gems are in his medical notes.

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  13. Re:5 min on google 10 years medical training by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Informative

    5 minutes on google will tell me that the self-protecting asshole doctor prescribed a relative of mine a drug containing paracetamol, which google helped me learn was a synonym for acetaminophen.

    What's the big deal? Well the relative had knee replacement surgery, so painkillers were necessary. The asshole doctor ignored the fact that he was explicitly told not to administer anything containing acetaminophen because the patient had liver disease and explicitly stated such on multiple occassions. The doctor didn't want to go through the hassle/overhead of dealing with a schedule 2 drug, and just prescribed the drug containing acetaminophen.

    Even after explaining to him that 'No, this person really needs to not take acetaminophen/paracetamol/tylenol/etc' we still discovered that they kept 'resetting' and going back to giving him the drug.

    So you will have to forgive me for not trusting 10+ years of experience vs google when the asshole kept giving tylenol to a guy with liver disease.

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  14. Doctor's POV by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let me give you a real-life example of what doctors are bracing themselves for. My wife saw a patient, and that patient later requested a copy of her medical records. No problem; my wife's office gave them to her. I personally witnessed this exchange afterward while I was picking up my wife from work:

    Patient, storming into office: I WANT TO SEE DR. MRS. JUST SOME GUY!
    My wife: Hi! What's wrong?
    Patient: You slandered me and you're going to Fix. It. Right. Now!
    Wife: What... what did I say?
    Patient: You called me a drug abuser!
    Wife: No, I did not!
    Patient: It's right here! shows everyone who will look a highlighted section from her chart

    SOAP NOTE FOR PATIENT X

    SUBJECTIVE: PATIENT DENIES EXCESSIVE DRINKING, TOBACCO, AND DRUG USE.

    Wife: Right...
    Patient: I told you I didn't do that, and you said I'm in denial about it! If you don't fix that, I'll sue.
    Wife: But that's not what we mean by "deny".
    Patient: FIX IT OR I'LL SUE!

    I swear that's not an exaggeration or misrepresentation. The patient was threatening to sue for defamation of character because my wife wrote "patient denies excessive drinking, tobacco, and drug use." That's medical jargon for "I asked the patient if she did this stuff and she said no" and is the industry standard way of documenting a "no" answer to a question.

    Of course patients deserve complete access to their records, but I fully understand doctors who'd just as soon disarm a hand grenade as to hand over records to people who aren't trained in their interpretation.

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?