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Ask Slashdot: How To Donate Older Computers to Charity?

yanom writes "My school gave me several circa-2006 computers with no operating system. I fixed them up, and now they run Lubuntu fairly well, making them great internet/LibreOffice/general Linux workstations. I've been wanting to donate them to local nonprofits where they'll go to good use — for example, I've already given several to a local church for them to use in their afterschool care/tutoring program. However, I'm having trouble finding other places where these machines could go to good use. How should I best conduct this search? How can I find nonprofits that could benefit from these workstations?"

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  1. 2006? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they P4 or Core processors? If they are P4, just recycle them.

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    1. Re:2006? by Splat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your kind of thought process is exactly the problem. A P4 system is perfectly usable given the correct software configuration, and as timothy already stated they're working well enough running Lubuntu to be a basic word processing/information device. Just because it's not the newest technology doesn't mean it's trash. There are plenty of people out there who would be perfectly well served by a basic computer that can run a web browser to look up information, and type up emails on it.

    2. Re:2006? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An IBM 5150 is perfectly usable given the correct software configuration. Usable for what, is the question. A 3ghz P4 isn't even fast enough to play flash video smoothly these days.

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    3. Re:2006? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      P4's cost a lot to run. I measured a basic P4 machine the other day and it was drawing around 140 watts at idle. My core i5 Macbook Pro was only drawing around 11 watts. For some it would be cheaper to just buy a lower powered machine than to pay the electricity bill on a P4.

    4. Re:2006? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing plays flash video smoothly, and flash is proud of that.

    5. Re:2006? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I did some research on this around Y2K timeframe. My company was throwing away pallets worth of computers that didn't handle the changeover properly. Perfectly functional and usable, but just didn't meet their requirements. I was amazed how many charities didn't want slightly older computers. They listed their minimum specs and

      I don't know the reasons but what would realistically be a perfect computer for low income or otherwise disadvantaged people just isn't something even charities are willing to spend the resources to deal with.

      A more extreme example would be Africa. There millions of people in Africa who live in modern cities who could use any of the US's castoff computers. But the costs of transporting them make it completely unfeasible to ship them for the worth/value.

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    6. Re:2006? by Grisstle · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Your kind of thought process is exactly the problem. A P4 system is perfectly usable given the correct software configuration" As a person supporting a not for profit, I wouldn't touch a 7 year old computer and deal with the issues involved. Sorry, we get plenty of 3 year old computers donated or offered regularly so we don't need someones ancient crap. A 7 year old computer brings all the issues of lack of available replacement parts, lack of drivers and poor performance and to boot they usually look like shit. 5 years is the cutoff, I wouldn't touch a computer older than that if I have to support it for day to day use by people who are not me.

    7. Re:2006? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not really, there's subsidies for power in many places and rarely if ever is there a subsidy for a new computer.

      What's more, cash flow is an issue, it might cost more in the long run, but some people only have a few bucks a month and need the computer now. Getting a free or cheap computer that costs a couple bucks more a month in the long run might just be what they have to put up with.

      The people who are getting these computers are frequently in a position where they can't save money either way because they have none. Yes, it would be better for them to not spend the extra money, but they don't necessarily have the luxury of money sitting around to buy a new computer when their current one breaks either.

    8. Re:2006? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're spoiled then. The non-profits around here gladly take any computers that they're given. Some get recycled and others get refurbished, but they aren't in the position of refusing to take a computer just because it's 5 years old.

      The thing they won't take for free though is CRTs. Those things are expensive to recylcle because of all the toxic chemicals and it's getting to the point where those old 14" LCDs are flooding the gap that cheap CRTs vacated.

    9. Re:2006? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      except that electricity is only 6-12 cents a kilowatt hour. So for a huge portion of users that might only need the thing to be on an hour or two per day why they check some websites, and handle e-mails; its not an issue.

      Yes if its a machine that you use all day, or is on all the time power efficiency matters on the bottom line, but its simply not the case for equipment that gets less run time, even if its one the bottom end of power efficiency (within the context of PCs and Laptops).

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    10. Re:2006? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2

      Giving a P4 to the poor is evil. The cost of running it can easily cost more than a brand new computer.

      If you run the numbers, you might be surprised.

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    11. Re:2006? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Yeah, there's one in my house with XP, Adobe Flash, and maybe an nVidia 6800? Stutters constantly. I suppose it might have more to do with flash not liking the video driver, than the hardware itself not being fast enough. But it's got the most current versions of the drivers available, so considered as a system it's crap.

      Try IE and the ActiveX Flash Plugin. It's usually a nudge faster than other browsers.

  2. used computers cost too much and slow by alen · · Score: 2

    new PC can be bought for a few hundred $$$. comes with MS Windows and you can run office on it. very easy to set up out of the box

    used PC you have to pay someone $50 or more per hour to configure them one by one and pay the software licenses

    and even 2006 computers without 4GB of RAM are SLOW. try running Chrome with a few tabs open. there are $279 best buy specials with 4GB of RAM

    destroy the hard drives if you're paranoid and just junk the PC's

  3. Goodwill by cod3r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    just take them to goodwill and let them figure it out.

    1. Re:Goodwill by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      Actually Goodwill does computer recycling now, and at least in CA they make money at it.

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  4. Recycling a better option by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the current state of things, computers and electronics are ubiquitous, cheap, and rapidly evolving. At this point, I consider machines from the era to be essentially trash, even when they can function well enough using your favorite distro. They take up too much space and use too much power, and they struggle to handle the world's new common platform: HTML+CSS+js. They will also accelerate down the slide to obsolescence much faster than newer equipment over an equal period of time.

    I feel like dumping those things on charities is just giving them a burden. They may have to spend money to put the machines to use, and they will have to take care of throwing them away soon enough. I say use your energy to find a good recycler so that the metals in those old junkers might be reclaimed for tomorrow's tech.

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  5. Remember: No good deed goes unpunished by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I applaud your altruism; but I've done the same kind of thing in the past, and regretted it.

    Not to be too paranoid, but please make sure you've got all your paperwork in order, (you have to right to pass on the PCs etc.), and explicitly state 'no warranty' etc. What if one of the PCs catches fire, and burns down the old folks home you donated it to? Yeah, I know I sound nuts, be we live in a crazy world.

    Oh yes, and regarding support. They'll drive you nuts. Really.

    Junk the things and just give some cash to a worthy cause.

  6. Re:Install Windows XP by Nimey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fuck that. In about a year WinXP will no longer get security updates, so you'd be handing the recipients a ticking bomb unless they're kept off the Internet.

    Install a distro with an easy UI like Mint-MATE and they'll do just fine, really.

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  7. Charities are not a waste disposal service by xelah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Charities are not a waste disposal service. Have them disposed of properly and safely, and the useful materials extracted and recycled. Even if you find a charity who'll take them, you're just dumpling that problem on them a year or two from now - and, as several other commenters have said, they probably use enough power the charities would be better of buying something newer.

  8. Thrift stores by whizbang77045 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You might donate them to a local thrift store, along with a printout of how to use Linux (although it seems obvious to me, it may not be to others). For a while, I was checking out and repairing computers for a thrift store associated with our church.

    Some came it with a usable operating system; some had to have one installed. I'd always stick Ubuntu on.

    None of them ever failed to sell. After all, the price was right, and the people usually needed whatever they could get. I felt good about it, because a computer that would have seen the scrap heap got reused. Let's face it: for word processing and simple spreadsheets, it doesn't take that much computer. You can also browse the web, if you stay away from overbloated sites. Email is a no brainer.

    And, if they didn't like Linux, they were free to install Windows or whatever they chose. Given the financial state of a lot of these people, I doubt they could have afforded Microsoft's price. But Linux at least let them see the machine was funcitonal.

    1. Re:Thrift stores by whizbang77045 · · Score: 2

      Nope, wasn't me. I don't think I've ever even tried Gentoo. There are just so many Linux variants these days, that I just don't get around to trying them all.

  9. Re:Install Windows XP by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are right that the general public isn't comfortable using Linux. Unfortunately, you falsely imply that they are comfortable using Windows. The vast majority of people who would be in a position to go to a library or Non-Profit don't know the difference. Point them to the little icon that launches firefox and/or chromium and not only is it true that they couldn't care less if it is Linux or Windows, it is also true that they have no idea that it isn't Windows.

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  10. Re:Install Windows XP by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are right that the general public isn't comfortable using Linux.

    Just tell them it's "Android for PCs".

  11. Re:Difficult by Looker_Device · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even charities have minimum needs/standars for computers.

    Nonsense. Those Goodwill boxes will take anything. I regularly put my old broken appliances, worn out VHS tapes, empty soda cans, used toilet paper, etc. in them late at night and I've never once heard them complain about it.

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  12. Many don't know/care which OS is behind Firefox by raymorris · · Score: 2
    My experience is that a great many users, especially the non-techie types, don't know or care what the OS is - they see the Firefox icon and click it. They have no idea that their smart phone or tablet doesn't run Windows, because they have no reason to care. If there's a browser and perhaps an office suite, it's a computer like any other to them.

    They'll just want Windows or Apple.

    What's that, is that on Google or Facebook?

    Firefox OS and Chromebooks kind of prove the point. The browser IS the computer, to most people. It used to be nobody cared about the process scheduler, anything below the level of the desktop didn't concern 99% of users. These days the browser is the desktop and few care what's beneath. (But some of those who care do care a lot.)

  13. Criagslist by NewWorldDan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Post them for free on Criagslist. It's possible someone might want them, but I wouldn't count on it. If no one claims them in a week, take them in for recycling. Right now, there's a glut of crappy old single core CPUs out there that no one wants. I've got a few in my basement that I haven't recycled yet.

  14. Freecycle them by Anonymous+Codger · · Score: 2

    Join a local Freecycle group (www.freecycle.org) and post an offer. Someone in your community might have a use for them.

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  15. Re:Install Windows XP by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    "... until someone sends them a Word document and it doesn't display correctly;"

    That problem already exists in Windows. Word does not render consistently across multiple versions of Word. Open Office display them just as accurately (The content is all there, but it isn't rendered identically as the composing system)

    " or they want to print something and can't get their printer to work and the support people can't figure out why the Windows printer driver won't install"

    I don't think you quite understand how this works. People don't bring in their own printers. They use the one that is already set up and configured.

    If you put a decent distribution like Mandriva or Magiea on the system there is a wonderful little GUI tool for a system administrator to use in the unlikely event they need to replace the one they are using, and the drivers all get installed automagically in most cases as well.

    Finally, just as they have to call a competent person when all else fails in a Windows environment, they simply need to do the same with Linux. Your assumption that they don't have the same issues with Windows is mistaken. I have a system in the building right now (Windows 7) that tries and fails to install HP Pinter software every time you boot it. Your belief that Windows "just works" and Linux "is hard" is based on your ignorance, not experience and a solid grasp on reality.

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  16. Here's a thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Find a charity you despise

    2) Throw computer through window

  17. Re:Install Windows XP by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They have that now, you know.

    Yes, I did know. But if If they knew the difference between Ubuntu and Android, you wouldn't need to dumb it down.

    We got an old Dell laptop for my daughter, it came with a locked-down corporate install of Vista. After a few hours wrestling with trying to configure it I said fuck it and just put Ubuntu on it and it "just worked" immediately. Predictably, she complained about the funny looking apps but has learnt to use it. Even Libre Office for schoolwork. And now she has an Android phone, she has rooted it so she can install some of the same utilities she has on the laptop... So there is crossover.

  18. FreeGeek Makes it Work by headphones54321 · · Score: 2

    There is a non-profit company in many North American cities that takes old computers, puts them through a testing cycle, recycles all the parts that can't be used, and then builds workstations running linux for either donation to non-profits or cheap resale. They are great and always looking for help. http://www.freegeek.org/ According to the Wikipedia site, they have locations in: Portland, OR; Fayetteville, AR; Central FL; Chicago, IL; Columbus, OH; South Bend, IN (Michiana); Vancouver, BC (Canada); Seattle, WA; Minneapolis-Saint Paul, MN (Twin Cities); Toronto, ON (Canada); Providence, RI; Ferndale, MI (Greater Detroit area); Ephrata, PA (South East Pennsylvania); Athens, GA (Free I.T. Athens)