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ITU Aims At 20Mbps Broadband For All By 2020

Mark.JUK writes "Dr Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), has proposed to 'dream big' by setting a new broadband access target for the world. In short, Touré would like to see the United Nations (UN) update its global digital development targets to include a commitment that would require countries around the world to ensure that everybody can access broadband internet speeds of 20Mbps from just $20 by 2020. Easier said than done, especially in poorer countries."

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  1. Poorer countries by hpa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    20 Mbps for $20? Easier said than done in the United States of Monopolies.

    1. Re:Poorer countries by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      And never mind the "poorer" countries. Their biggest challenge will be Australia. Not because they cannot deliver a quality service, but because they will not.

    2. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier said than done in Silicon Valley!!!

    3. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And never mind the "poorer" countries. Their biggest challenge will be Australia. Not because they cannot deliver a quality service, but because they will not.

      Hang on, isn't that why Julia is spending 30 odd billion, so we can haz internet?

    4. Re:Poorer countries by eksith · · Score: 1

      This struck me as particularly odd. Surely even while the government is trying desperately to copy the U.S. in things that don't matter, Australia's population would lobby for better service?

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    5. Re:Poorer countries by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      Please read the opposition policy on national broadband access and get back to us. That's likely what we will get come the September election.

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    6. Re:Poorer countries by sidevans · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Odd you say that, as Telstra (our local telco) has an obligation to provide a "phone" to everyone in Australia, even if it requires them installing a satellite dish or PTSN compatible 3G modem in the house at a total loss to the company.

      I worked with them and have personally spend 2-3 days trying to troubleshoot a single customers line problem, it wasn't until we pulled up maps we noticed the 3G modem we were using was 42km from the nearest mobile tower and the issue was weather. The tech who installed the node had modified a Yagi and pointed it a the mobile tower on a nice sunny day, and, defying everything thought possible by the hardware manufacturers, managed to get a stable connection and the longest distance most people had ever seen.

      Step outside the CBD and major cities in Australia then say Telstra doesn't provide a quality service, when they are the ONLY provider there... I used to be a Telstra hater until I worked for them in rural areas for a short time, the tech's who get out in the bush and provide communications for people are an amazingly talented group of people who will drive a 4x4 in the outback for 12 hours a day, just to fix someone's phone connection.

      I regret moving to vodafone that's for sure.

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    7. Re:Poorer countries by A+NonyMouse+CowHerd · · Score: 2

      Yeah - I live in Northern Indiana, and my choices are Verizon Wi-FI with a 4 GB cap at $49.00 a month or dial-up. My dial-up costs $99.00 a year and is unlimited, with a maximum connect time of 8 hours. But no issues if I redial/reconnect immediately.

    8. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? I have 20Mbps DSL + phone service for $40/month right now. By 2020, I wouldn't be surprised to see 20Mbps connections for $20 or less.

    9. Re:Poorer countries by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      20 Mbps for $20? Easier said than done in the United States of Monopolies.

      How dare you say that, you unamerican, unpatriotic slime ball! You're just feeding into communist propaganda! Capitalism works because capitalism works, dammit. The only monopolies are the ones created by the government, blame them, not the capitalists who are the makers, not the takers. (pukes up on floor) The reason we don't have cheap broadband is because there's no demand! (pukes some more) Supply and demand mean that if enough people wanted it, someone would get up and do it, and it would be priced competitively. (dies of laughter)

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    10. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, Electric Power Board of Chattanooga, can I haz internet?

      50 Mbps for 57.99?

      That's a bit more, true, but close enough that I'm not going to be a dick and complain.

    11. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bullshit statement anyway, you can already get 20Mbps in poor countries for $20.

    12. Re:Poorer countries by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      The Opposition policy is to extend FTTN which will put in place a good speed at each exchange. While I prefer the Labour policy of FTTH, even with a FTTN, my exchange will greatly improve in speed. Currently, at dawn, I can download a file at around 1.5 megabytes a second - however in the afternoon between five and ten, that speed is slashed to around 100 kilobytes at most. That simply means that the exchange is getting smashed and the throughput there is suffering. Again, I would prefer FTTH, but FTTN will still greatly improve my speeds at all times (especially the commonly used ones) of the day.

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    13. Re:Poorer countries by enoz · · Score: 1

      The Coalition policy appears to be keeping the same crusty old ADSL over copper and maybe adding some FttN in major metro areas.

    14. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bandwidth cap what is this 1998 ? I thought every western country had fiber coverage even france is mostly fiber.

    15. Re:Poorer countries by black6host · · Score: 4, Informative

      And never mind the "poorer" countries. Their biggest challenge will be Australia. Not because they cannot deliver a quality service, but because they will not.

      Look fuckers. I don't care where you live, or what the UN wants. If I can get away with charging $99.00 a month for 5Mbps I'm going to do it. I don't care where you live, what you do, or why you need it. The only thing I care about is how to get you to part with as much cash as possible and give it to me. BTW, way back when, when we first rolled out cable and you all thought it was worth it in order to watch TV without advertising? Priceless! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! See you suckers on the way to the bank!

    16. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      here in Belgium I pay 70€ (100$+/-) for 100Mbps, and bw cap is at 1Tb a month but we are kind of a socialist country and even unemployed I can pay that (my salary for being unemployed here is 1100€)

    17. Re:Poorer countries by GumphMaster · · Score: 2

      I, too, would prefer FTTH simply because if they only take fibre to the existing exchanges, or even to new sub-exchanges/street boxes, then I will still have the same 40+ year old copper that can only support 4.5Mbps when it's dry, and routinely drops out in the wet. (It has been wet a lot lately)

      I, like most Australians live in an Internet privileged urban setting. My childhood home town of 250 (only 40 km off Highway 1, 3 hours from Brisbane) has just passed the hurdles to get NBN fixed wireless at "up to" 12 Mbps... under the other plan they may get the same but I expect they will get exactly what they have now: ADSL over aging copper with IP-over-avian-carrier backhaul because that will satisfy the "free" market. Makes the ITU 20Mbps look far fetched, the $20 laughable, and this is a first world country without a recession.

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    18. Re:Poorer countries by runeghost · · Score: 1

      Mod parent funny, please.

    19. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been like 5 years since they can get 100Mbps for 20€ in france, tho youtube is capped for them :)

    20. Re:Poorer countries by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      I must simply ask the question....is there any reason save money that we aren't already truly globally connected, at fair speeds for all?

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    21. Re:Poorer countries by game+kid · · Score: 1

      Why do you think the ITU approved that DPI standard? It's not like those prices would be due to proper market pricing and not massive subsidization of user data.

      Of course that assumes they didn't actually want their invoice price to be $20/month, so they could raie retail internet prices and do even more deep pocket introspection of their own.

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    22. Re:Poorer countries by game+kid · · Score: 1

      *raise.

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    23. Re:Poorer countries by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      Besides politics yikes I opened myself up there. I meant more like if we globally threw X into SATCOM and Y into receivers, how much dinero do we realistically, technologically, need to give fair (5MBPS up/down) globally? Doesn't mean the question is any easier to answer hehe but whatever.

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    24. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dude, you've got no idea what you're talking about.

      The exchange already has fibre, lots of it. That's what all exchanges have run on since you were in nappies. Fibre on the backbone side and copper on the customer side. FTTN means fiber from the exchange to somewhere closer to the home, e.g. into a cabinet in your neighbourhood. Then you run ADSL2+ a short distance from there to each neighbourhood home and get 24Mbps given that the ADSL2+ run is now quite short.

      The reason you are getting slow speeds is because the ISP you are using is being cheap on the amount of backhaul they are purchasing. Either the backhaul out of the exchange to their access point or from their access point to the Internet, probably both. The technology for last mile delivery won't stop that. Your ISP can fix that problem right now my jut paying more money for more backhaul bandwidth.

      With FTTN you get to choose how big each neighbourhood is. At one extreme it's one node per exchange (so on change) and the other extreme it's one node per home (which is FTTH). The sweet spot is somewhere between those two extremes.

    25. Re:Poorer countries by c0lo · · Score: 1

      A bandwidth cap what is this 1998 ? I thought every western country had fiber coverage even france is mostly fiber.

      Well, I guess that Northern Indiana is... well... more northern then it's western.

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    26. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 Mbps for $20? Easier said than done in the United States of Monopolies.

      +1

    27. Re:Poorer countries by inflex · · Score: 1

      We already have FTTN for most of the places around here, and most places even have 12,000/800 or so on ADSL2+, so the coalitions vision of the NBN is just what we essentially have but they get to forfil their promised delivery of "12Mbps" to most locations ( for the record, I'm in a rural zone on ADSL2+ on Dodo[Telstra backhaul] ), it's just a case of waiting a couple of years to push the price down a bit more ($69/mth here) and get more people migrated off ADSL over to ADSL2+.

      The rediculous thing is that the maintanence costs on the FTTN/Copper system that we already have will consume more than the FTTH within a couple of years regardless. Sadly, I don't have much hope of FTTH being sufficiently entrenched by the time September comes along, and thus like the the 90's, we'll again be left in the dark-ages of delivery.

    28. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try NZ, you guys are at least getting your fibre network before the universe dies of entropy. We still pay $100/month or more for DSL connections that can be that bad they top out at a couple of megabits in the middle of a city.

    29. Re:Poorer countries by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I thought Kim.com was going to personally pay for super-fast kiwi broadband, as long as the NZ government indemnified him against any mega-related charges?

    30. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Way too try-hard to be funny to anyone who isn't mumbling about their torrent speeds to their mother while she picks sticky socks up off the floor.

    31. Re:Poorer countries by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 0

      Not when politics comes into the equation. The conservative opposition have been quite successful in spreading FUD in the minds of the electorate that every major policy initiative is part of a radical socialist agenda designed to bankrupt the country.

      Deployment of a 'better service' will be scrapped in 6 months time with a change of government.

    32. Re:Poorer countries by six025 · · Score: 1

      No. Way too try-hard to be funny to anyone who isn't mumbling about their torrent speeds to their mother while she picks sticky socks up off the floor.

      Your mom is doing a terrible job if the socks get to the point of being sticky - I'd sack her this instant!

    33. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 'Free' (name of the ISP) has poor youtube throughput, all the other ISPs are fine.

    34. Re:Poorer countries by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Obviously, they will redefine what 'Mbps' stands for...job done.

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    35. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha, that was for a new pacific fibre cable, internal internet is still tied up in the infrastructure monopoly that makes America look full of choice. Chorus, split from Telecom by the government controls 90% of the national capacity and only started investing in the network again after 20 years because the government forced them to, then both paid and forced them to and this will still only get fibre to about 20% of houses by 2016-17. We still have stacks of areas just ten or so kms outside a city that can't get DSL.

    36. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you on, no you can't. NOT EVERYWHERE IS AMERICA

    37. Re:Poorer countries by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      Please read the opposition policy on national broadband access and get back to us. That's likely what we will get come the September election.

      Here it is.

      But it's junk. The Lib/Nat coalition are talking about improving the copper system, maybe going from ADSL2+ to VDSL, so from 20Mbps to 40Mbps.

      The Lib/Nat coalition are idiots sometimes. Tony Abbott refused to believe NBNCo when they changed their maximum available data rate from 100Mbps to 1Gbps. But even that is nothing. 100Gbps optical Ethernet is commercially available, and researchers have managed 26 terabits per second with a single laser, and 100 terabits per second with multiple lasers. And that research limit is not in the fibre itself, but in the endpoints. So they are talking about spending $6B over six years on a twofold data rate increase. And pooh-poohing a $40B plan to increase the data rate by 5,000,000. Oh and how often does the national data rate double? About every two years! So they get two years of data growth out of a $6B investment over six years, instead of about 45 years of data growth from a $40B investment.

      Read Nick Ross's take.

    38. Re:Poorer countries by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      My favorite was the Rural Broadband Initiative. There were 2 bids, one for fibre to all the schools and hospitals, and 5 Mbps minimum to convenient places, missing 15% of rural places, 5+ years install. The other bid was for 5 Mbps to every address, install time within 1 year of contract (and fibre to every school, don't remember about hospitals). Of course, they went with the one that would miss hundreds of thousands of rural locations, bid by Vodafone and Chorus (when Chorus was still Telecom).

    39. Re:Poorer countries by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      Capitalism works, and within free market settings where there is actual competition it works to increase everybody's wealth by providing choices.

      In absence of free market (as is the case with the United States of Monopolies, as you said), then capitalism is reduced to only a few capital holders that are working closely with the government. The government prints the money, 'insures' deposits and provides other forms of moral hazard. In USA at this point only the largest companies are still in business, they have the power to lobby against the rules, taxes and regulations, they have the power to get government sponsored credit.

      You are attacking capitalism implying that capitalism and free market are synonymous, they are not. Capitalism is private ownership and operation of means of production, ability to own and operate private property. Free market ensures that everybody is on an equal ground when it comes to relationship with the government, nobody is the preferred capitalist to anybody else.

      What you have today is a government system that picks winners and losers, that sponsors some at the expense of others, that transfers private property in any way it wants from some to others. Under this system capitalism is very limited and skewed. Blaming capitalism, which is a system of wealth generation for the failure of the people to ensure that they provide the same rules for all to work with is disingenuous.

    40. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds about right, I'm sure someone in the government got a nice set of golf clubs from it though, kind of like the Novopay thing and most of the governments dealings under either party.

    41. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS, you lot follow capatilism like a cult, the system is designed to make the most profit at all costs, that is basicly the excuse for exploitation of whatever you nutbars can get your hands on. The government should keep you crazies in check but that got brought out like everything else in your country.

    42. Re:Poorer countries by stenvar · · Score: 1

      The only monopolies are the ones created by the government, blame them, not the capitalists who are the makers, not the takers. (pukes up on floor) The reason we don't have cheap broadband is because there's no demand!

      No, the reason we don't have cheaper broadband is because there are government mandated monopolies on both wired and wireless infrastructure. No amount of sarcasm on your part is going to change that.

      Supply and demand mean that if enough people wanted it, someone would get up and do it, and it would be priced competitively.

      Supply and demand only operate when there is a free market. The US telecoms market is highly regulated.

      Having said that, the US is not that different from big European nations anyway, so all your self-righteous indignation is kind of wasted.

    43. Re:Poorer countries by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Ah, the rule of the troll. You think you win because your comment is toxic, it contains various logical fallacies and other elements of personal attack.

      Well, I don't disagree, it's a powerful way to 'argue'.

    44. Re:Poorer countries by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      It's all in the wording as you note: the Coalitions policy is "upto 12mbps". The Labor policy is a minimum of 12mbps.

      And that's to say nothing of upload speeds, which are far more important these days and have been historically neglected: my girlfriend can get 8mbps on her ADSL2, but 162 kbps upstream speed (about 1/5th of what it should be). Which makes using VOIP/Skype etc. on her connection nearly impossible.

      That's of course when it's working at all: the copper in her walls or too her building seems to be degrading since we've found corrosion forming on the sockets themselves at times, so they're immersed in water somewhere else. Of course since she can get "upto 12mbps" nothing needs to change apparently!

    45. Re:Poorer countries by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      I think you could have summed this up a lot better by just calling it what it is: fascism.

    46. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20Mbps down, 64kbit/sec up.

      Someone needs to address upstream.
      Anything less than 2Mbit/sec is completely unacceptable.

    47. Re:Poorer countries by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I was going to post almost exactly what you said in response.

      Mod the parent up. There is no capitalism in American broadband, and its still mostly not that far behind other western countries. There are places with really shitty service/options, there are places with outstanding service/options, and there are places where this target 20mbps for $20 is nearly a reality already (I'm in south eastern connecticut and my ~$40 mid-tier service was bumped to 20mbps several months ago, and no caps or throttling.)

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    48. Re:Poorer countries by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      group of people who will drive a 4x4 in the outback for 12 hours a day, just to fix someone's phone connection.

      This sounds like a great way to retire after I'm done with my current career!

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    49. Re:Poorer countries by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      here in Belgium I pay 70€ (100$+/-) for 100Mbps, and bw cap is at 1Tb a month but we are kind of a socialist country and even unemployed I can pay that (my salary for being unemployed here is 1100€)

      I probably wouldn't work either if I was getting $1571 a month for doing nothing.

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    50. Re:Poorer countries by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      This is what I was referring to in my earlier post. Telstra owns most of the communications infrastructure in this country, and the record shows that so far they have done everything they can to avoid upgrading or even maintaining networks where there is no competition from other providers in a densely-populated metropolitan area.

      Until a year ago, I was fortunate in being able to subscribe to ADSL2+ services in WA and subsequently SA, but here in TAS I am lucky to get a wireless connection (of sorts) to a tower 36km away. Any kind of physical connection is just out of the question. On the other hand, many households in other areas of the country can only access dial-up connections.

    51. Re:Poorer countries by firex726 · · Score: 1

      I live in the heart of Houston, one of the biggest cities in the world.
      My only high speed option is a local reseller monopoly that charges $90/mth for around 5mbps real world speed. Seems they make exclusivity deals with local Apt Complexes, and change names every few years due to the bad rep they keep getting from their piss poor service.

    52. Re:Poorer countries by inflex · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I was trying to change the Annex type my connection is on to trade some of my down speed for a lot more up ( drop to about 10,000 down but 1,800 up ), but thus far I've been told that Telstra backhaul won't let me switch ( subsequently I can't get Dodo to switch ).

      Sorry to hear about the copper situation in your GF's location. If the coalition gets in (which likely they will) I'll see you in 12 years again perhaps when we finally get FTTH on the cards again :(

    53. Re:Poorer countries by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a great way to retire after I'm done with my current career!

      Better make sure your skills are up to scratch. The guys who made it up to my property in TAS had been working with this kind of stuff for 20+ years. For all my earlier posts in this thread might have come across as whining about Telstra, I was and am. There is no other choice of provider here. But there are at least some of their guys with feet (and 4WD tyres) on the ground who have seriously good skills, and do their best to make an inadequate system work, and I salute them.

    54. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My choices in rural SC are dial-up, satellite, or 3G. I use Millenicom's "unlimited" mobile broadband plan which gives me a 50GB soft cap on Sprint's network for $70.

    55. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The timeline is possible, through wireless / satellite if nothing else. The cost though is something I can not be seeing done.

      If you adjust for inflation, then we might be able to reach that $20-for-20Mbps by 2030 at the earliest.

    56. Re:Poorer countries by chrish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      See also: Canada.

      Pretty sure our telecoms oligarchy (Rogers, Bell, Shaw, Telus, Videotron; generally "pick two" depending on where you live) spends more money convincing the CRTC they provide excellent service at a great price than they do on network upgrades and maintenance.

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    57. Re:Poorer countries by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      You guys beat me to it. I recently moved across town. Before I moved, I had the choice of two internet providers - $30 for 30 meg or $40 for 6 meg with transfer cap. Hmmm, guess which one I chose.

      However, I then moved 30 miles across town. I am in MORE populas and RICHER area than I was before, and I have two choices, $45 a month for 15 meg with a transfer cap, or $45 a month for 20 meg with no transfer cap. Hmmm, which do I choose.

      Now, I guess you could always argue that there is also HuguesNet (prices start at $60 a motn for 10 meg), Clear ($50 a month unlimited data with 6 meg caps), MetroPCS ($55 a month for a 4G phone plan with unlimited data, transfer rates 1 meg to 5 meg depending on area and time of day), etc.

      Point is, I would KILL for 20 meg for $20. And I live in a major city in the US.

    58. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, if they can just accomplish this in my La Quinta hotel room I'll be more than satisfied.

    59. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the DC area; luckily Verizon Fios & Comcast compete. I just switched from Fios (~$50/mo) to Comcast for $20/mo; I'm getting about 25Mbps down. This is just internet, no phone, no tv. Ok, it's a 1 year promo, and I had to buy my modem for $80, but that's pretty good. Next year I'll see what Verizon will offer me, otherwise it goes up to $35/mo.
      So I'd ay this is a reachable target; I'm sure Comcast isn't actually losing money on me. In areas without competition, though, I'm sure you'll be still getting screwed.

    60. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are attacking capitalism implying that capitalism and free market are synonymous, they are not.

      Indeed. Capitalism and free market are not synonymous. They actually OPPOSE each other.

      Free market demands government treats everyone equally. This means free market naturally destroys all other -isms: capitalism, socialism, fascism, whatever. Free market cannot favor any particular ideology or system.

      Capitalism, being one of the -isms, is no exception. Eventually, those who are favored under capitalism (i.e capital owners over workers) will gain more influence and then favor from government.

      Blaming capitalism, which is a system of wealth generation for the failure of the people to ensure that they provide the same rules for all to work with is disingenuous.

      No, it is insightful, for the reason above: capitalism is just another -ism, like socialism or collectivism. In the contest between capitalism and free market, capitalism won, and thus we don't have free market anymore.

    61. Re:Poorer countries by Creepy · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. The day CenturyLink offers me speeds over 8Mbps for less than $90/month is the day Comcast drops prices for 20Mbps access below $50 (with Cable - it costs more if you don't bundle). If you think wireless is better, think again - they charge $10 per megabyte generally, and the ones that don't have really shitty service where I am. It is lose-lose-lose to the monopolies here.

    62. Re:Poorer countries by SpaceMonkies · · Score: 1

      It is delusional to take the title of a slashdot article serious without even having a quick glimpse over the links provided. The only new item on the official paper is, that they wish for a gender gap to be closed. Furthermore the president of that organisation gave a speech where he told about his wish for everyone to have access to a 20MBit connection at 20$ / month It is yet another misleading Slashdot headline you fell for; An all-year April's prank, so to speak.

    63. Re:Poorer countries by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      here in Belgium I pay 70€ (100$+/-) for 100Mbps, and bw cap is at 1Tb a month but we are kind of a socialist country and even unemployed I can pay that (my salary for being unemployed here is 1100€)

      I think in that situation I would quite literally wank myself to death.

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    64. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 Mbps is 69.99 here. So I'd pay 70$ (~55 Euros) for that much, with no cap.
      '

    65. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fiber isn't the only solution. Cable companies here in the US are starting to run Docsis 3 over coaxial cable, which can easily support speeds of 50megs over the "last mile".
      In some places, the "last mile" infrastructure is indeed a big problem, especially when all you have is DSL provided by the Telco. But that's an issue which usually needs to be addressed by local government. Usually (at least in the US) they are the ones who granted exclusive monopoly to use public right-of-way in their city, and/or impose ridiculous permit/access fees to run new lines (of any type).

      But that's only a small part of the problem. The biggest problem is back-haul and long-haul capacity. Running large fiber bundles is expensive; it costs a lot to build it out, and it can be expensive to maintain and repair. And if you don't have a really solid regulatory system, the fiber huts get so completely jacked up that it's a complete nightmare to try to do ANY work in them.

      FTTH is a nice idea, but we need a solid backbone to support it first. Then let local provides deliver 'last mile' over whatever medium they prefer- fiber, copper, coax, fuck use a pair of tin cans if they can deliver the speed. If you drop a 1gig fiber link to 100,000 locations in a small city, you're going to need a fucking insanely huge pipe to support that. Most Carrier grade systems still don't use single interfaces which can move faster than 10gigs yet, and a chassis that can handle 100gigs of traffic is going to run you close to $100k just for the hardware. The fiber is going to cost you, in many cases, tens of thousands of dollars per mile to build. Don't forget the datacenter to house it, the power to run it and cool it, etc. And then you have to pay people to properly engineer the network, and support the hardware and fiber.
      It ain't cheap. If we really want to see broadband speeds increase we need to put some serious investment into R&D. Single terrabyte interface cards are still in early R&D stages, and even if they showed up tomorrow there's not a chassis on the market than can hope of switching or routing the data needed. Even if we drop the requirements to a guaranteed 20megs per structure, you're going to need a shitload of capacity for any kind of large city.

    66. Re:Poorer countries by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Easier said than done anywhere, at the last broadband meter here in Norway the mean was 15.6 Mbps, the median 8.6 Mbps and the cheapest rate on the national survay $30 for 1/0.2 Mbps. "Everyone" will be way, way below the median so it'd need to get a helluva lot faster and cheaper real quick. I think 20 Mbps median in 2020 for $60 might be realistic here in Norway, but 20-20 in 2020 is in "and we'll all drive a Ferrari" fairy tale land.

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    67. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Friendswood one of the smallest suburbs of Houston and I at least get 3 options. I guess we need to add internet access to the list of urban vs rural pros and cons, although I would expect that in most places the results would be different (boonies vs suburb of metropolis).

    68. Re:Poorer countries by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      Please don't lump the West Coast telecoms companies with the East Coast telecoms companies.

      Shaw is doing some amazing things out West, and has been stringing fibre pretty much everywhere it can. 20/7 Mbps links are under $80 with many deals for less. And they have plans all the way up to 250 Mbs down.

      And, since Shaw has been doing all these upgrades the past 2-3 years, Telus has been forced to start stringing their own fibre around everywhere. While their ADSL is still limited to around 15/1 Mbps, their Optik fibre is becoming more affordable and more accessible. Vancouver, at least, has access to 50 Mbps and 100 Mbps plans. And it's moving into the BC Interior this year.

      Just because Bell/Rogers are dicks about their Internet service in the East doesn't mean all of them are.

      Plus, Bell/Telus and Rogers Wireless have been expanding their HSPA+ and LTE wireless coverage out here in the West. There's even 1700 km of new wireless coverage by Bell/Telus on the highways out here in BC this year.

      Sick and tired of being wallet-raped by the telcos in the East? Then move out West! :)

    69. Re:Poorer countries by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      I get 150Mbps for ~$100 from Rogers which works out cheaper per bandwidth than 20 for $20. That said past a certain point it doesn't matter, once you can stream 1080p torrents (yeah I know not raw but compressed) in real time your needs go away quite quickly. It then becomes a matter of how many simultaneous downloads do you really need. I'd pay $100 for 20Mbps with no cap though.

    70. Re:Poorer countries by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      It is a matter of economic need I think. Would people like $20 internet? Sure. But they get enough value that it is worth more than that to them. For a starters it pretty much replaces the need for long distance phone calls. Then if you are open to being a pirate also replaces spending on movies, music and TV. Add to that that it is extremely hard if not impossible to search for jobs, do interviews etc without a web connected computer and it becomes a necessary service one peg down from the hydro bill. Sure you can go to the library but unless you live close it will cost you more in gas than the internet at home costs not to mention the lack of privacy for "entertainment".

    71. Re:Poorer countries by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      It is likely true for several large population poor countries, Brazil, India, China, and Nigeria for example. But the thing is the countries where the really power people are often have low computer ownership. People are accessing the internet using phones I'm not sure if they'll pay $20 for a 20Mbps hookup when they can get a cell phone plan for ~$6 a month and $50 for the phone and that is the device they'll be using anyways.

    72. Re:Poorer countries by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      Fiber isn't the only solution. Cable companies here in the US are starting to run Docsis 3 over coaxial cable, which can easily support speeds of 50megs over the "last mile".

      DOCSIS 2.x modems can do 25 Mbps over existing coax. I have one, with a 20/7 Mbps plan, and routinely get between 2 and 2.5 MBps (aka ~20 Mbps) at all times during the day. I haven't switched to a DOCSIS 3.x plan as they all have lower upload speeds in our area (25/0.5 Mbps to 50/2.5 Mbps; it's only expensive 100/17 Mbps plans that have better upload).

    73. Re:Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm not sure I fell for anything. The point I was making is how things are, from my point of view. The article headline may have been misleading, as they often are, but it did provide an opportunity for me to express my scorn and I've yet to find a major company in this business that would do anything other than things that bring in more profit. You may disagree and that's fine.

      Now I'm off to pay my monthly internet bill and it ain't no twenty dollars :)

    74. Re: Poorer countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in bulgaria it is 20bgn (9$)

  2. AHAHAHAhahaha by tokencode · · Score: 3, Funny

    And I want to stop world hunger and end all wars. We can even feed everyone on this planet and their goal is 20Mbps? I love the Internet and all, but considering the fact that many people still die of hunger and disease, isn't this goal a little lofty?

    1. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And I want to stop world hunger and end all wars. We can even feed everyone on this planet and their goal is 20Mbps? I love the Internet and all, but considering the fact that many people still die of hunger and disease, isn't this goal a little lofty?

      But think of all the food they will be able to order online.

    2. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by eksith · · Score: 1

      High-speed internet would give incentive to businesses (particularly small ones) to setup shop. This will help the local economy, which in turn will help feed the planet, save babies etc... etc... The space program is also a monumental waste of money if you discard how far society has advanced in almost every conceivable way as a result of it.

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    3. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by metalmaster · · Score: 1

      i'm sure that's a goal too, but that's not news for nerds now, is it?

    4. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Many of them don't even have reliable phone, electricity, water or sewage combined with the problems of war/warlords/racial and religious violence. Until those basics are addressed being able to have 20mbps is going to do nothing to encourage businesses to setup there. It is a nice goal, but it will be a struggle in the rich countries and is completely unachievable in the poor countries in that timeframe. Even Australia which has a current project to have its fibre network rolled out will not be close complete by 2020 and has a base speed of 12mbps and we are one of the countries that is currently making relatively rapid progress.

    5. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sharing thoughts and ideas and information can very help with all of those.

    6. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UN has set a date of 2040 to end hunger, 2050 to end wars, 2060 to have clean water for everyone, and 2070 to have electricity to power the routers and servers for the 20 Mbps broadband that was installed half a century before.

    7. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because ITU is the International Telecommunication Union, not the fucking Red Cross.

      In addition, better and more internet connectivity will allow people to better help themselves. You can't just keep giving out aid, you have to create an infrastructure that allows those poor and starving people to create better lives for themselves.

      For anyone who doesn't want to do that, fuck 'em. Let them starve.

    8. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can even feed everyone on this planet

      You're absolutely right with your typo - we can.

      The fact that we don't want to is another matter entirely.

    9. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, so it'll be even easier to exploit those people.

    10. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Setting such unachievable goals and asking countries to sign up for it can only have one of 2 responses, countries refuse to sign up or they completely fail to meet the target. Having hard to reach stretch goals can be a great motivator for action, having goals you must sign up for that are financially and technically impossible to meet in the timeline is just a recipe for no action and failure. A fundamental test for setting goals is are they achievable, setting a goal that is not achievable means no matter how much progress you make you have failed.

    11. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 handfuls of rice per person would be a better goal.
      Ah, but with 20Mbps they can TRACK everyone on the planet better.
      This highlights the priorities...

    12. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ethiopia is practically THE poster child of famine stricken countries receiving aid. The population of Ethiopia has tripled since the late 1970's. There is considerable poverty in the US. The US is one of the richest countries in the world. The systemic flaws in our social organization that make poverty and hunger practically undefeatable will have some influence over the ability to meet a 20Mbps goal, but not to the degree that 20Mbps is just tilting at windmills.

      Blurting out that we shouldn't try to achieve anything until we succeed at eliminating poverty and hunger is just an action that promotes learned helplessness.

    13. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High-speed internet would give incentive to businesses (particularly small ones) to setup shop.

      Herbal viagra sales business?

    14. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Ahaaa but we can't stop famine and wars if we do not have total control over the world's population (e.g., knowing where everybody is and what they are doing, you know, for statistical and planning purposes). Do you think that 20Mbps link is unidirectional???

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    15. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if we want to it just delays things for a while. Without decent education and birth control you will eventually have people dying of hunger and wars, since the population growth will be exponential. Food production will eventually be unable to match that exponential growth.

      So what they need is decent education. Giving them food without education just causes their population to grow till you can't afford to feed all of them then you have the problem again, only this time there are even more people starving.

      There wouldn't have been the Arab Spring if those governments had managed to maintain the flow of cheap bread. Even democracies would have fallen once the people started getting hungry.

    16. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps people should start eating birds on Tuesdays and drink more melted snow like we do in the U.S.

    17. Re:AHAHAHAhahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So America's inner city ghettos should be turning into economical wonderlands now that they have the infrastructure that powers the rest of the nation. Your ideas have too much utopia and not enough reality.

  3. Malaysia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have to pay $50 for 8mb broadband(not fiber) internet.. sad

    1. Re:Malaysia by Adriax · · Score: 1

      Middle of the US: $50/month for 5meg cable, $60/month for 3meg DSL (clightly better coverage so they can force the people just past city limits to pay extra), or $20/month for 56k dialup (hasn't changed price or capabilities in over 15 years).

      I wish I could say this small town atmosphere trades technological opportunity for safety, I really do. But we've had two incidents of crazies shooting at the cops and 3 murders within spitting distance of my house so far this year...

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  4. Beware the U.N. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    They seek to usurp the rightful power of the United States Government, and become one World Order. Google UN Agenda 21 if you doubt their insidious plans. We need to withdraw from the UN and kick them off of our soil.

    1. Re:Beware the U.N. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Great idea, you never pay your bills anyway so the rest of us would be better off without your constant demands and lack of input.

    2. Re:Beware the U.N. by runeghost · · Score: 2

      Yeah, be afraid of the terrifying organization with an annual budget under $5 billion. And meanwhile, completely ignore the mega-corporations that would like to enslave everyone on the planet who's not a shareholder, that send that much lobbying U.S. government every year.

    3. Re:Beware the U.N. by Xest · · Score: 2

      I hear they're run by lizard men and are responsible for 9/11 too!

    4. Re:Beware the U.N. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You're not being even remotely accurate.

      Most corporations would like to enslave shareholders too.

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    5. Re:Beware the U.N. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Recommending sustainable living is usurping sovereignty? I don't get it.

  5. ITU dead by 2020 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ITU can aim anywhere it wants while it continues its downward spiral twoard irrelevance.

  6. Metal theft is problem by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, networks span over fiber optic. But to power the junction points that light up the fiber and distribute over coax and twisted pair is a big problem in many 3rd world nations. Reason being copper theft. It's big deal. It's a big deal here in the US too. But don't expect to sink a large investment into a nation if said investment can't be reasonably protected. South Africa comes to mind.

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    1. Re:Metal theft is problem by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      wireless power is the solution.

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    2. Re:Metal theft is problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wireless power over wifi.

    3. Re:Metal theft is problem by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recall reading that telcos in Africa hired guards to protect the cell towers (and their fuel) from getting ripped off.
      When this didn't stop the problems, they created a program where the guards could sell minutes as a side business,
      which gave them an incentive to keep the service up so they could keep making money.

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    4. Re:Metal theft is problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I sat on a global WAN when you watch 1000's of routers go down and a continent fall off your maps.
      You know theft is a real problem.
         

    5. Re:Metal theft is problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one, wireless power which is transmitted and recived by big coils of copper wires, just that now it is in a nice easy to steal package.

    6. Re:Metal theft is problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy Fiber to the home or shack. No power required!

      Fiber atleast to the wifi point or phone tower.

  7. No way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brazil is out of this.

    Please, go sleep.

  8. 20 Mpps by davidwr · · Score: 1

    20 mega-ponies-per-second.

    About as realistic.

    Seriously, this is a laudable "target" as long as everyone agrees that we are playing "horseshoe and hand grenades" rules, where close counts. If anyone thinks "we must do this, period, and if even one person on the planet can't get 20 Mbps for $20 by the end of 2020 then we've failed" and expects to "succeed," they are delusional.

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    1. Re:20 Mpps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is delusional to take the title of a slashdot article serious without even having a quick glimpse over the links provided.

      The only new item on the official paper is, that they wish for a gender gap to be closed.

      Furthermore the president of that organisation gave a speech where he told about his wish for everyone to have access to a 20MBit connection at 20$ / month

      It is yet another misleading Slashdot headline you fell for; An all-year April's prank, so to speak.

    2. Re:20 Mpps by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Considering most DSL providers in the US think that anything above 128K is "Broadband" we've already gotten there then. Got a load coil on your land line? Tough shit. We're giving you the broadband we promised.

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    3. Re:20 Mpps by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Considering most DSL providers in the US think that anything above 128K is "Broadband" we've already gotten there then.

      The FCC, to "protect" the people, defined broadband for us. at 128k...

  9. LOLz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    talk is cheap, I didn't realize wishful thinking is all you need for one of the top jobs

    1. Re:LOLz by Yaa+101 · · Score: 1

      Then how do you explain politicians?

  10. why copper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIK, the norm for outdoor power is aluminum wrapped over a steel core. It's not worth anywhere near as much as copper.

  11. Already at 5Mbps for $50... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

    Like telephone service spreading to the developing world, this won't happen with wires.

    I've got a 5Mbps wireless broadband connection right now, and that's WiMAX, old tech. Verizon's LTE does close to 10 Mbps..

    My connection costs me $50/month; if we imagine opening things up to real competition, $20/mo doesn't seem unreasonable.

    If we had the political will to make 20Mbps broadband as accessible as voice communication is today, yes, we could do it in under a decade.

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    1. Re:Already at 5Mbps for $50... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Political will is trumped (or, rather, bought) but corporate profits. There will be no $20 high speed internet for the masses. 20Mb service is limited to those in isolated, affluent areas, and bundled with "telephone" and "cable TV" services for $100+/mo, or $100+/mo unbundled (what a bargain!). Want that without caps? Double it.

      Most places are either too sparse (or too mountainous) to be worth putting up a tower, or already locked into a monopoly provider agreement with the wired providers. And corporations have already proven that they will sue any municipality (and likely win) who tries to provide broadband as a public service.

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  12. cox charges me like 45 bucks for 3 down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to know price is against the united nations.
    Probably a crime against humanity.

  13. Rural Ohio: fuhgeddaboudit. by wordsnyc · · Score: 1

    We get 360 Kbps on a good day with Frontier DSL, the only choice aside from satellite. Frontier bought Verizon's rural operations a few years ago and they refuse to upgrade. You can pay more (~$60-70/mo.) for a "high-speed" tier, but people report that your speed actually drops. Frontier is scum, the poster child for crap internet service.

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  14. Cheap access is key, not bandwidth by jma05 · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Reason being copper theft. It's big deal.

    Well. Here in India, Internet and cable TV use wires hanging between buildings, and have done so for decades. Theft is not really a problem.

    The cheapest wireless internet we have is 256 kbps at $5 a month. That's quite adequate for everything but video. $10 for 1 mbps wired.

    The important thing is for everyone to with the most basic literacy to be able to afford unmetered Internet *access*. Higher bandwidth is much less important. Upper tiers just get used for entertainment and are not critical.

    I feel that making basic Internet access at limited bandwidth (256 kbps is fine, 1mbps is better if we are to target online education), available as free as radio waves or water, is a better goal than 20 for 20 by 20.

    Mobile phones are already very cheap here. Incoming calls are free. Outgoing call balance can be recharged with cards as low as 50 cents. So a poor family living in a hut with a leaky roof can still afford phones for each of its members for essential use. Internet should be as affordable as that and it will surely get there here without any ITU directives.

    1. Re:Cheap access is key, not bandwidth by colablizzard · · Score: 1

      I live in India too and agree with all the statements, but disagree with the one that says Broadband is cheap here. You need to qualify that it is cheap due to restrictive caps placed on it. I am sure the $5 plan would be for 1GB/month. $10 for 1MBPS, would be what 3-5GB. And that too this is only in certain small pockets.

    2. Re:Cheap access is key, not bandwidth by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      > Reason being copper theft. It's big deal.

      Well. Here in India, Internet and cable TV use wires hanging between buildings, and have done so for decades. Theft is not really a problem.

      Oh, but it is. And not just of the copper, but also of the switches and repeaters and pretty much everything that's not nailed down - and some of the stuff that is nailed down.

      The cheapest wireless internet we have is 256 kbps at $5 a month. That's quite adequate for everything but video. $10 for 1 mbps wired.

      The important thing is for everyone to with the most basic literacy to be able to afford unmetered Internet *access*. Higher bandwidth is much less important. Upper tiers just get used for entertainment and are not critical.

      While understandable if all you do is check your emails and slashdot, yeah, fine, 1mbit/s or even 256kbit/s might be fine... and there are definitely a lot of people who agree with you. But there are uses for high-speed Internet other than entertainment!

      Additionally, the case for unmetered (I presume you mean unlimited as in "can max it out 24x7") in a country like India isn't really there because that's what they do. Higher speeds mean things get done faster, not to mention that it is overall better for the network if the thing isn't running at 95% capacity all the time.

      I feel that making basic Internet access at limited bandwidth (256 kbps is fine, 1mbps is better if we are to target online education), available as free as radio waves or water, is a better goal than 20 for 20 by 20.

      If the current spectrum sales are any clue, radio waves are very much *not* free, and the amount my society pays for water when the city can't supply suggests that, sadly, neither is the water.

      The problem of giving away free *anything* in India is that the system often gets abused. As such, the telcos may be right to assume the same about super-cheap or free Internet - that is to say, *everyone* would sign up for the "free" plan and/or scam more than they deserve - it happens with other things already for it would just be another day at the office in that respect.

      Plus, the deployment cost is huge (considering telcos pay a whole lot more to lay cable than the electric companies do) which makes it very difficult even when you're charging for the service sometimes...

      The way it's done in other countries is that public libraries and such have free wifi and/or sometimes computer terminals. Not so many facilities like that in India but even if there were, the problem would be keeping such facilities clean - especially in a city like Mumbai.

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  15. The magic word "from" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    ensure that everybody can access broadband internet speeds of 20Mbps from just $20 by 2020.

    I'm surprised they didn't make it "up to 20Mbps from just $20," in which case, mission accomplished!

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  16. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd settle for paying for 3mb and actually getting 3mb, instead of something that is pretty much useless for youtube even at 360p for pretty much of the day, and usually takes up to 50 retries to attach a single meg file. And it's not my mail client (gmail) because at this times, FTP upload performs just as nicely.

  17. and a pony by stenvar · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the pony!

  18. Define "everybody" by kenh · · Score: 2

    Touré would like to see the United Nations (UN) update its global digital development targets to include a commitment that would require countries around the world to ensure that everybody can access broadband internet speeds of 20Mbps from just $20 by 2020.

    Please define everybody.

    Does this include folks in third-world countries? Does this include all regions of India, Africa, and China (as a few examples)? There are may regions without access to, for example, safe, clean, potable water - is high-speed access to Amazon really a priority in those locations?

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    1. Re:Define "everybody" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's all bullshit anyway. We're not even going to have 20Mbps "everywhere" (I'm not even counting the people living in the hills or whatever) in the USA by 2020. We don't even have 2 Mbps everywhere now.

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    2. Re:Define "everybody" by pipatron · · Score: 1

      The difference between internet access and clean potable water is that one can be had wireless with a handset that's not much more expensive than a large bucket. The other requires expensive infrastructure.

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    3. Re:Define "everybody" by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      There are may regions without access to, for example, safe, clean, potable water - is high-speed access to Amazon really a priority in those locations?

      Yes, access to the world's largest river would be nice if you are short on potable water...

    4. Re:Define "everybody" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't tried myself, but I understand the Amazon is generally somewhat less than "potable". You would need, at the very least, a bloody good filter and a kettle. And something to fight off the crocodiles and pythons and piranhas with, while you fill your pot.

  19. Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I somehow don't think they really care that we should have better internet connection. But how do you want to sell movies (sorry, rent them) via internet if you can't stream them in good quality? How do you want to keep tabs on everyone if their connection is clogged and they might be interested in reducing the traffic they don't benefit from?

    I'm not really sure I'm looking forward to these great times.

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  20. Nice but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about "ending world hunger by 2020"?

    1. Re:Nice but... by ledow · · Score: 1

      There's enough food on the planet to feed everyone, every day.

      The problem is not one of science, but of politics. How do you get some tiny African state, or Middle-Eastern country, with a hatred of the country offering help because of past wars etc. to let you wander across their country with thousands of people, vehicles, planes and cargo, fixing all their starvation and asking for "nothing" in return? You don't. They are (rightly) very suspicious if you try.

      The logistics issues (getting the food there), the personnel issues (finding someone willing to wander into a warzone holding nothing but rice), the farming issues - they are all pretty much solvable already. It's the politics. When a warmonger in charge of a state says "No", you risk war to carry on doing it anyway, which will kill a lot more people than basic starvation.

      And the politics aren't something that are going to be resolved any time soon (if ever). Ironically, world hunger will be solved when world peace comes about, and not before - short of some fantastical technological miracle that can fabricate any substance out of thin air while running off a battery. And then that device will be used to create guns and fatten troops, not feed the starving.

      Yeah, this is a "first world problem", but we're pretty stalled on solving most of the third-world problems not because of a lack of science, technology, industry, funding, power or anything else. Purely because of a lack of acceptable foreign policy. We are happier to sell these countries guns than give them food for free and most of the time do both as if it makes up for it.

      Think of this next time your country wishes to invade another, next time you hear reports of prisoner abuse, torture, kidnapping, imprisonment without trial, bombing (with "collateral damage") or particular groups / religions / nationalities being the target (did the US go after Bin Laden or did it bomb the crap out of some foreign countries that were nothing to do with him?).

      There's nothing stopping us feeding the starving, except people in charge hating other people in charge (usually somewhat justifiably: if you consider what would happen if, say, those countries told the US - for example - how to run their own country, you sort of begin to see the problem from their side).

      However, that's not really a factor in the ongoing advance of science. If we really waited until we cured world hunger / world peace before we actually moved on to more complex things, we'd still be in the stone age right now.

  21. Here's the standard I want by 2020: by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    15 mbps for DSL lines, 30 mbps for cable TV lines, and 60 mbps for optical fiber lines. And that's the minimum. For cellular wireless, it should be 15 mbps for HSDPA+ 3G and 40 mbps for 3GPP LTE minimum.

    1. Re:Here's the standard I want by 2020: by chrish · · Score: 1

      As long as telecoms continue selling "up to" services with no minimum, you can get this now, everywhere in North America! Victory!

      And don't forget the ridiculously low usage limits.

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      - chrish
    2. Re:Here's the standard I want by 2020: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many hours did you want to use your internet connection for this month? Our current package includes 24 hours of usage!

  22. Sounds feasible in México at least by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's about what I pay for 6mbps, doesn't sound farfetched to have a little more than three times that speed for the same price in 7 years, seven years ago I had 2 Mbps for a similar price.

    1. Re:Sounds feasible in México at least by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      That's about what I pay for 6mbps, doesn't sound farfetched to have a little more than three times that speed for the same price in 7 years, seven years ago I had 2 Mbps for a similar price.

      You can already get over 20Mbps for under $20 in the UK... the kicker is the "everyone" bit - people out in the sticks can't get 20Mbps cheaply, nor do I really expect them to be able to be 2020... nor am I entirely sure that 20Mbps access for everyone is something that we should be subsidising - you don't need 20Mbps to do the essentials (tax returns, getting the news, etc); the only thing you need that kind of bandwidth for is entertainment, and there are plenty of other non-internet methods of getting entertained already, without the general public having to subsidise another... (Frankly, whilst I certainly wouldn't _mind_ my DSL being upgraded, I don't find my current 8Mbps particularly slow... Upgrading certainly isn't something I'm interested in spending money on, so I'm not sure why I should expect other people to spend it on me instead)

    2. Re:Sounds feasible in México at least by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      the only thing you need that kind of bandwidth for is entertainment

      That is simply not true. One of the reasons that areas like Cornwall and Somerset are getting grants to improve broadband speed is precisely to attract businesses who can work almost anywhere provided they have the bandwidth.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    3. Re:Sounds feasible in México at least by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      That is simply not true. One of the reasons that areas like Cornwall and Somerset are getting grants to improve broadband speed is precisely to attract businesses who can work almost anywhere provided they have the bandwidth.

      And so businesses can pay for it, just the same as they would pay for an office if they were expecting employees to use that instead of working from home...

      (For the record, I too work from home and I don't find 8Mbps too slow at all... I could occasionally do with a faster upstream, but the downstream is fine)

  23. Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Russia, I already have it for $10.

    1. Re:Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Russia, I already have it for $10.

      Yes but you have to live in a country run by gangsters and religious fanatics.

    2. Re:Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said he lives in Russia, not the USA.

  24. Foolish by whizbang77045 · · Score: 1

    Surely there are better things to do with our time and money than to pursue goals like this.

  25. "Easier Said Than Done" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    20MBPS for $20.00, easier said than done in Canada as well, with the massive gouging that goes on from Bell and Rogers.
    To get that speed here would currently cost approx $50.00 per month.
    And forget even basic DSL for rural Customers, still Millions of folks doomed to 56k dial up for the foreseeable future..

  26. Meh. Easy. I can do that tomorrow. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I'll give you 20MB/s for 20$ right now.

    (with a 10MB cap and 5$ per MB overage)

    That is pretty much the model these days anyway.

  27. Why so high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    20 Mbps for everyone by 2020? Ain't never gonna happen. And for what reason should this be implemented anyway. I had a conversation with my teenage step-son last week who was really excited by the possibility of Gbps fiber to the home as floated by Google. And initially I was quite interested in the prospect - but then I got to thinking - why would anyone need such a high speed on the consumer end? We have ATT uverse (only the phone and internet) and we can stream HD content - and that is a connection that practically caps out at 12 Mbps. We originally had cable over uverse so I know they have at least ~60 Mbps capacity in that line would we really need more than that. Again what application would actually use the full 1Gbps capacity?

    1. Re:Why so high? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Because 1080p is not enough! you need 3D 8k video streaming!

  28. $20 a month for 80% pornography? by Cute+and+Cuddly · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be better to improve the content of the internet so that it becomes a real tool of knowledge for those that already have it instead of distributing more pornography for what it seems to be a reduced cost for people in developed countries but is higher that the average monthly income in several poor countries? I can't see people spending their whole monthly incomes to connect to the internet, specially those that cannot afford a computer. Perhaps we should go one step at a time and help those less fortunate increase their incomes so they can feed themselves and educate their children. Then, perhaps they will make the decision themselves when they have the ability to do so.

  29. $20 now, or then? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    $20 in today's value, or in 7 years of inflation?
    I can already get 20M for $20. It just comes with a 5GB data cap...well I used to at my old address, now I'm further from the exchange and only get about 12Mbps. In two years I'll have access to 100Mbps, like most of the rest of my back-water country.

  30. Use "worked-hours equivalent" -not- Dollars... by ivi · · Score: 1

    Although it was good to see at least mild-mention of the Poor,
    it'd be better to have service cost expressed -equitable- units,
    that recognized the vast differences in amount of human-time
    it takes - across the world - to earn $20.