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Stricter COPPA Laws Coming In July

Velcroman1 writes "The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) was enacted in 1998. In 2011, the FTC beefed up the measure, preventing sites from collecting personal information from kids such as name, location and date of birth without a parent's consent. This July, new amendments for kids under 13 will go into effect, approved by the FTC in December. The rules are targeted at sites that market specifically to kids. However, even a site like Facebook could be fined for allowing minors to post self-portraits, audio recordings of their voice, and images with geo-location data. There are also new restrictions on tracking data, with cookies or a unique identifier that follow registrants from one site to another."

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  1. How about... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about we stop it with the nanny-state crap and FUD about online and have parents -gasp- parent? You know, like tell you kids basic stuff like don't give out addresses online, don't go meet people online, etc. This will be a never ending battle, anytime a kid does something stupid and gets hurt because of it people will petition the government to "do something" and slowly the internet gets regulated to death.

    Seriously, how hard is it to tell your kid don't tell someone where you are and don't meet them?

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    1. Re:How about... by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2

      Sadly, too many parents can't seem to teach their kids this. Though some of it may have to do with their kids won't listen to them by the time they are 8. Parenting isn't easy, but getting the state to fill in causes other problems.

    2. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It'll never happen. Much like firearm legislation, the ultimate goal isn't the laws that they're showing you... today. They'll chisel away until what is absurd today looks like the logical conclusion tomorrow.

    3. Re:How about... by Xenkar · · Score: 2

      Apparently it isn't harder than telling your congressmen that there is a think of the children problem to be solved. It is an easy target with which they can act like they are doing something while not actually doing anything productive.

      If we took just a portion of the money spent on feel good, do nothing "think of the children" initiatives, we could probably have a nationwide roll out of gigabit fibre. Will my proposal do anything for the children? Quite possibly since there is that digital divide where some children are stuck on horrible dialup connections while others have cable or DSL, but I don't really care about that. It'll allow us to have online delivery of video games and other media in a reasonable time frame. It'll probably do wonders for our economy.

      Unfortunately it isn't feel good, do nothing legislation so such an initiative will not succeed.

    4. Re:How about... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Tell me this: how, as a parent, are you going to stop Facebook to stop tracking your child on EVERY internet page that has a "like" button?

      There is no way for a site to know person X is a child or not... any way you did that would constitute tracking. So... the ONLY way to do it is to stop companies from tracking without your explicit consent.

      Then parent your child all you want. Until then though, it is mostly pointless to worry about whether they are posting pictures of themselves on Facebook. I mean sure, catch the criminals who want to do weird things with children, but jail the CEOs of corporations that track them, too.

    5. Re:How about... by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These same folks who are up in arms about the Nanny State when it comes to large drinks and smoking have no concept of individual liberty, because they're perfectly at home banning a Constitutionally enumerated right 'for the children'. That includes speech and the right to bear arms. The irony is lost on them...

      We live in a world where the people in power have two opposing ideas in their heads that they can magically agree are not at odds with each other.... (Witness cunt Feinstein's argument that the Assault Weapons Ban isn't a "ban"... it's a list of "approved" weapons.)

      WTF planet did I land on?

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    6. Re:How about... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would I care if Facebook is tracking on every internet page? What does Facebook do with that information? Do they sell it to "Rapists-R-Us"? Or do they instead sell it to marketers who's job it is to make better products. What a terrible tragedy it is that people want to sell me things that I think I'd like! What a terrible tragedy that marketers can look and see that I like band X and live in general location Y and schedule a tour there if they think there's enough interest.

      -shrug- if you don't like tracking, block the cookies. If you don't like Facebook don't have a Facebook account. If you don't like ads use adblock.

      Myself, I really couldn't care less.

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    7. Re:How about... by Intropy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plenty of the same folks up in arms about drink and smoking are also up in arms about other rights. Unfortunately too few. People have a real problem separating "I don't think you should do that." from "I'm going to force you not to do that." I don't smoke, and I don't have any interest is using marijuana. And, frankly, I think you're better off not participating in either of those vices either*. But if you want to do that or allow people to do that at your restaurant, that is none of my business. I'll save my parenting for my actual kids. In Washington sometimes I win (legalized marijuana), but more often I lose (no smoking in publicly accessible private places).

      * I'm speaking to the majority case here. I know perfectly well that for some people doing either can be a rational choice. The point is that it's your choice, good or bad, and not mine.

    8. Re:How about... by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      Impossible. That would require a level of personal responsibility that the government has long denied the people have. Though it is funny that the government is so vocal about democratic elections, as if the people who are so stupid in every day lives, that they can't choose what size soda to drink and how to save for retirement on their own can responsibly elect their own government in a democratic manner. How are people managing this level of dichotomy is beyond me, but I guess it's the age old adage about a person not understanding something if his paycheck depends on not understanding it.

    9. Re:How about... by Intropy · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, interesting. I guess we're morons for electing people for treating us like morons.

    10. Re:How about... by letherial · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone who thinks that parenting is easy and kids will just do what they are told are either A. not a parent, or B. a deadbeat parent.

      I agree with you though, when the state gets involved with parenting it causes a whole new level of problems

    11. Re:How about... by Intropy · · Score: 2

      Because the times have changed. In the "roaring 50s" you could be a single-earner household and support the spouse and two kids, and live in a nice house and drive a nice car.

      That was never true for everyone just like

      Parents cannot be full-time in this economy.

      is not true for everyone now. And how much of this has to do with wanting to work outside the house or your perceptions or what really qualifies as "nice?"

      Let's discuss those problems rather than having a knee-jerk "regulation is bad! It'll cause the end of the world as we know it!" reaction.

      Would you accept an argument that regulation is bad because even though it won't end the world as we know it, it's just one more small step the wrong way that we don't need to take?

    12. Re:How about... by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      That was never true for everyone just like

      The 1950s saw the rise of the United States as an economic superpower. Our economy grew by 30% in a decade, a radical change over today's sluggish quarter-percentage improvements. However, it's clear by the fact you got modded up and my post down, that slashdot is increasingly a place where people are apparently oblivious to historical realities, preferring instead revisionist history that makes all times in the past the same as they are in the present.

      And how much of this has to do with wanting to work outside the house or your perceptions or what really qualifies as "nice?"

      It has nothing to do with either. In the 50s, most families were single-income, not dual-income as they are today. That means that there was a full time parent present. That's not nearly as true today as it was then. That was my only observation. You're trying to turn it into something more.

      Would you accept an argument that regulation is bad because even though it won't end the world as we know it, it's just one more small step the wrong way that we don't need to take?

      No, I would not. Regulation is necessary. Imagine trying to drive on the roads if there were no rules. Red means stop, green means go... that's all regulation, and it enables us to function as a society. Take that away, and what you've got is anarchy. So yes, I think saying all regulation is bad is about the stupidest thing you can say. But this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone -- statements which include the words always or never are dead-ringers that the statement is going to be false. I'm the only one here apparently who realizes that some regulation is necessary, and although I stated in the OP that the some part is debatable, none is not.

      Slashdot has become a den of hipsters and half-witted IT wannabes, too inexperienced or dense to realize that the larger society is one of compromise and negotiation, not idealism and absolutes. Children do need to be protected online. There has to be regulation online. The discussion is not whether to regulate, but how and how much. That may not be a politically popular statement to make on a website that increasingly caters to extremist and idiosyncratic viewpoints, but it is the most reasonable one.

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    13. Re:How about... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Given the way pay has been stagnant for years while costs haven't been, I's have to say a lot of it is that a lot fewer people can actually afford to be single income families anymore.

      If the government REALLY wants to do something for the children, it can tackle that problem.

    14. Re:How about... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I may get modded into oblivion for this, but... society-wise, maybe it's better for the occasional Darwin moment to happen, even if it involves a kid.

      Seriously - when you have government becoming more and more imposing on societal rights and freedoms "for the children", maybe it's time to stop and let parents find out (even if, sadly, it's the hard way) that maybe they should stop treating the Internet like a toy. Long ago, I was asked to teach my local church group about the Internet. The analogy I drew worked pretty well in my own estimation:

      The Internet is like New York City. It's fun, exciting, you can buy stuff there, and it can educate as well as entertain. However! Just like the Big Apple, you do not let your kid wander around the place alone.

      Thing is, no parent would be stupid enough to let their under-aged kid wander around Times Square at night. So why do they let their kids play unfettered on the Internet? Maybe it's because the dangers of the big city are obvious and apparent, whereas they aren't online? Well, if enough news stories come out about kids harmed by doing something dumb online, and happens often enough, maybe the parents will get the hint? As shitty as it is to say this, maybe we need enough of this to happen before the clue sinks in?

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    15. Re:How about... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      I agree with most of your post, except...

      Children do need to be protected online.

      Wait - why? There are no laws in the physical realm that require shopkeepers or suchlike to treat any child wandering in with kid gloves, and there is no real-world equivalent of COPPA out here. Instead, parents watch what their kids do when outside the home, and there are laws in place which either prevent or punish any dumbass trying to prey on a child. The Internet can use those same laws, since it isn't some alternate universe, but the same world we live in now - but 'with a computer' (to draw parallels with the patent world).

      We don't need dumbassed 'cyber-bullying' laws when anti-harassment laws already exist, and a court can get ISP records with a warrant. There are a plethora of laws and punishments in place to deal with pedophiles and wannabes.

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    16. Re:How about... by davester666 · · Score: 2

      No, it's not easy. But it's your job, and it's self-selected (in general).

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    17. Re:How about... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Adults mostly understand that marketing is bullshit and the value of money, but kids don't. That is why we regulate advertising to children more heavily than for adults.

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    18. Re:How about... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The large drink ban should be okay then. You can still buy two regular size drinks, no freedom lost. You probably won't because it makes you look like a glutton and doesn't seem like good value. The psychology is well understood.

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    19. Re:How about... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      In defense of the "no smoking in public" bans, the point of that wasn't stopping people from smoking, but stopping people's smoking from affecting others. Before the ban, my wife (who has asthma) and I would go to a restaurant, be seated in a non-smoking section, and have smoke waft over from the smoking section 2 tables over. It wasn't even a matter of stopping going to those locations either because this was a problem in virtually EVERY restaurant. (A few might have been big enough to have completely separate areas with decent enough ventilation, but they were rarities.) In addition, workers in the restaurant were being subjected to second hand smoke on a daily basis.

      If you want to smoke in your house, by all means go ahead, but it isn't your right to subject others to the byproducts of your bad habits. For the record, while I support posted calorie counts (as a method to give people more information to make better eating choices), I don't support "bad food bans". Someone drinking a 32oz soda next to me isn't affecting me at all. I don't get "second hand cholesterol" if he's pounding KFC Double-Downs while I eat a salad.

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  2. This might be a good thing... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    This might keep video game websites from making you enter your date of birth to watch their videos!

    I always wondered what the point of that was. Anyone who wants to see the video is going to lie about their age if they're under 18!

    1. Re:This might be a good thing... by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is that it shifts the blame slightly. With age verification, they have the ability to say "we restrict based on age, THAT KID is the one who lied, blame them!".

    2. Re:This might be a good thing... by mark-t · · Score: 2

      How long is it before that's countered with the notion that not taking some measures to prevent people from lying about their age could be construed as allow underage people to use the services.

      At least in a bar, you have to show some real ID... they won't just ask you your age and be satisfied with the answer if you look like you might be under the legal drinking age.

    3. Re:This might be a good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does this mean that if I enter my age as 10, sites can't track me?

  3. Re:Raise age limit to anyone less than 100 years o by Intropy · · Score: 2

    Cripple the internet for all! This nonsense is the reason I can't get my daughter an email address without lying on some form somewhere, which itself is probably considered "hacking" or something similarly crazy

  4. Surely Unenforcable by rueger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Short of insisting that everyone who visits provide photo ID, I cannot see how this could work.

    Surely any kid with two brain cels to rub together already knows to just lie about their age, or to use their best friend's e-mail for the parental approval?

  5. Re:How about... actually giving a crap? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not so much about parents parenting but about stopping the powerful from taking advantage of the powerless. It's kind of like what the whole Transformers' cartoon crap was: the show was a full half-hour length commercial for toys. It takes the FCC or governmental action to stop everything on TV from being straight-out plain marketing to kids who can't tell the difference between content and commercials, between truth and puffery/advertising, between reality and fantasy.
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    It's why kids fall for things like opening themselves up to ridicule and bullying on sites like formspring or (while it existed) dailybooth, where junior-high-schoolers I knew (and even middle-school kids below us) set themselves up to deviants and bullies asking them stupid salacious questions and they answered them. Now of course they brought a bit of it upon themselves by their own action, but sometimes it is up to those who are more responsible to get in the way of the weak from being trod upon, eh?
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    Consumer laws exist to protect adults from sleazy car salesmen and criminally-intent stock-brokers (though kickstarter and the decrease in regulation of allowing funding of companies is going to kick down that safety net). IMHO it's okay to have laws that protect kids at or under the age of 13 from the nefarious intentions of the googler-corporations of the world. I know that the free-market-eers and the libertarians will say "let the free market work it out" and "let capitalism work it out", but sometimes regulations are necessary so that the young and weak are not exploited.

  6. COPPA is ridiculous in the first place. by NeveRBorN · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As the father of a daughter who will be 13 in less than a week, I can say that COPPA was ridiculous in the first place. Like so many laws and regulations in place today, it provides nothing but the illusion of security. To those who believe it accomplished something... Sorry, but you've been had. Your kids likely have every account imaginable and because you're so naive you don't have a clue. Not only that, but because of the restrictions, your kids have been missing out on really good opportunities that they otherwise may have had.

    Sadly because of COPPA, we haven't seen many services developed geared towards kids. Our children are likely missing out on huge educational opportunities simply due to the fact that providing internet services to them is such a pain in the ass. Frankly, it pisses me off because in my opinion, the government should have no say over what I allow my daughter to share online. Policing her is my job as her father, not yours. Knowing what I need to know to do so is also my problem. If I were to choose not to, that would be my own problem.

  7. Re: Usage Fees by Kilo+Kilo · · Score: 2

    firefighter here. There are different ways of funding a fire dept and in many ways it operates differently from other govt services, particularly in volunteer depts.
    One way is to have the town pay for it, with money collected through taxes.
    Another is to have the fire district (a taxing organization independent of town govt) collect their own taxes.
    However, if there is not enough tax revenue to support a fire dept, then some small towns simply don't. What usually happens then, is that the fire dept funds itself through service fees or donations. In the case in the link the yearly fee was only $75, but because it wasn't mandatory, the homeowner didn't pay it.

  8. Re:You must be clueless by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    Are you serious? What HR professional is going to openly say that is their policy? After all that HR experience they'd have to be extremely foolish!

    I PERSONALLY KNEW AN HR PERSON WHO SAID THIS, OFF THE RECORD. I won't say which major retail chain box store or for what positions (corporate office positions) this was done but it did happen and yes, anything they didn't like on your public facebook profile would get you rejected. While some people who looked fun at a party would get picked. It was never against people without facebook directly, it was the result of NOT being able to judge you using facebook. Think about it: If your decision is influenced based upon google results and facebook info and somebody LACKS that information, you are more likely going with the people you feel you understand better. I imagine it differs now with people locking down their public facebook information... but I can't find out because that office of HR people were laid off. (Yes I took glee in thinking how bad it is for this person given how much bad looking stuff was on their profile! Naturally, I asked about their hypocrisy: "I'm going to work here for life. I don't have to worry.")

    Don't ever think that HR people actually do their job impartially (or intelligently.) All that training they get is about how to BS their way around troubles for the corporation; to protect their employer from the employees.