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T-Mobile Ends Contracts and Subsidies

AlphaWolf_HK writes "In what I see as a refreshing change, T-Mobile, the fourth largest carrier in the U.S., has made sweeping changes to its service, ending both phone subsidies and service contracts. Its CEO said, 'Here's the deal: If we suck this month, go somewhere else. If we're good, stay with us.' As part of that change, the new base plan will include unlimited access, including voice, text, and data. Data will be restricted to edge speeds after 500MB with no overage costs, but can be upgraded to 2.5GB for $10, or unlimited for $20. Portable Wi-Fi hotspot usage is also unrestricted for no additional cost. In addition, LTE services just went live in eight markets. As is already standard practice with T-Mobile, you are free to bring your own device. To keep customers from having to front the full cost of the phone with unsubsidized plans, they'll let people pay off phones in installments. They're also getting the iPhone 5 next month for $650."

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  1. 500GB in the article summary is a typo by linuxguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is supposed to be 500MB. You don't usually "upgrade" from 500GB to 2.5GB of data for $10 a month.

    1. Re:500GB in the article summary is a typo by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah I'll take the blame for that gaffe, as I originally typed that. Though I wish the editor kept my comment about the Nexus 4 and how it can be hacked to work with t-mobiles LTE.

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    2. Re:500GB in the article summary is a typo by syntap · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't usually "upgrade" from 500GB to 2.5GB of data for $10 a month.

      Verizon was much cooler, they chopped your unlimited data down to a 2GB cap for FREE when you "upgraded" your phone! T-Mobile sucks!

  2. They get it by SgtKeeling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds like T-Mobile is going to be offering reasonable, attractive cell phone plans. Wow. I'm genuinely surprised that such a large carrier is moving in this direction. Good on them.

    1. Re:They get it by jandrese · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only their coverage wasn't easily the worst of the big 4 a move to T-Mo would be easy. If you live in the city then this is a great plan and you should take it. If you ever intend to leave the city then it's not so great. I had T-Mo for years before I finally had to give up and switch to Verizon, because the coverage was a constant problem for me.

      Bonus though: at least when I had it T-Mo worked in the city while AT&T (my wife's provider) was crapping themselves due to excessive volume. I could call and even get data through when her phone was reduced to a glorified iPod Touch due to total and complete network overload.

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    2. Re:They get it by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. I not-so-fondly recall having to exit my apartment out the back door whenever a call came in (assuming it came in at all), since I couldn't get reliable reception in front of or inside the apartment. And that came after the apartment where I didn't get reception at all and would only find out I had received calls whenever I exited my apartment and had a flood of voicemails suddenly arrive. I dealt with that for three years in the end, and it was a miserable experience the entire time. Strange as it is for me to say it, switching to AT&T was a massive upgrade, and if the experiences I hear recounted to me by others in town who are still with T-Mobile are any indication, AT&T continues to be the better choice for anyone who is actually interested in making calls with their phone.

      And yet, despite that, I'd switch back to T-Mobile in a heartbeat if I thought their coverage had improved, just because I'm so fed up with the usurious pricing schemes that the majority of carriers are engaging in. Even though I have no plans to switch at this time, I laud their decision to make this change to their pricing. If they can extend their coverage or force their competitors to adopt similar plans, I'll be a very happy guy, one way or the other.

    3. Re:They get it by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Customer: How much for a 32 gig iPhone?
      Telus: $800
      Customer: EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS??!! It's only $150 at Rogers!
      Telus: Yes, but that price is subsidized.
      Customer: What does "subsidized" mean?

      Although, with the new T-Mobile pricing, you pay a down payment upfront (which may be zero, depending on the phone), then monthly payment on the phone - listed separately. If you want to cancel service, you just have to pay off the phone. The difference is that people can directly see what they're paying for.

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    4. Re:They get it by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Down here in the states, at least in Kansas, Sprint. $80USD gets you unlimited texting, unlimited data, and 700 min/month, with unlimited calling nights, weekends, and to any cell phone on any American carrier.

      Beats the hell out of Verizon, anyway.

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    5. Re:They get it by Nexus7 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, T-Mobile's plans (well, at least the one I have) come with free and lousy voicemail. Ever want to hear that waiting voicemail early in the morning because it could be from work? Well, how's about you go through 29 of your saved voicemail that must be re-saved or will be deleted before you can hear the new voicemail? Hows about you can't go to their site and download the ones you want to save?

      Oh, you want to do that! OK, well, that will be premium voicemail. But yeah, the cheap-and-it-shows version is free.

  3. and there was much rejoicing by tatman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can only hope the big 2 will follow along.

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  4. T-Mobile is to be commended for this by linuxguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a bold step for T-Mobile and I hope that they succeed. However I am somewhat concerned as I have already seen too many people complain that they'd have to foot the bill for the full cost of the phone. The math would may prove to be difficult for people who are not good at it.

  5. They are forced to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are the weakest of the Big 4 and are going all in. I hope it works, if only to keep AT&T / Verizon honest.

    1. Re:They are forced to by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Competition, the finest part of capitalism.

    2. Re:They are forced to by jfern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course having competition requires good regulations. There would be a lot less competition here if the Justice department hadn't successfully blocked AT&T's purchase of T-Mobile.

  6. Pay Later: $199 down + $15/month by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    However I am somewhat concerned as I have already seen too many people complain that they'd have to foot the bill for the full cost of the phone. The math would may prove to be difficult for people who are not good at it.

    They could phrase it like this:

    Pay Later: $199 down + $15/month for 24 months
    Pay Now: $549

    The down payment on the Pay Later choice would reasonably match the price with contract on other carriers.

    1. Re:Pay Later: $199 down + $15/month by slinches · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just checked the plan prices. I compared "unlimited" everything since that's the closest match between features.

      AT&T - unlimited voice $70 + 3GB data $30 + unlimited messaging $20 = $120 per month

      T-Mobile - Unlimited voice, high speed data and messaging $70 + $20 Phone installment plan = $90 per month

      Assuming the down payment on the phone is similar, the T-Mobile plan is ~$700 ($30*24) less over the 2 year AT&T contract. After the phone is paid in full the installment plan ends and saves $50/month over AT&T.

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    2. Re:Pay Later: $199 down + $15/month by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the down payment option is a good deal. However not everybody agrees, and I think the reason why is kind of stupid.

      Techcrunch basically attacks t-mobile over this one because if you want to change carriers, you're still stuck with a $600 (or whatever) phone, as opposed to a $350 early termination fee.

      http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/26/t-mobiles-uncarrier-pricing-isnt-so-different-from-the-contract-devil-you-already-know/

      I'm wondering if they have a bone to pick with t-mobile, because a few hours ago slashdot posted an article from them about how t-mobile UK are scamming customers with premium SMS.

      The only possible way I could see the light in this statement would be if you could bring that phone to any of the other major carriers. Sadly, as far as major carriers, your only other option is AT&T. Though you can get some pretty good deals with the MVNO's, their coverage isn't as good. Personally I'd prefer to just own the phone than be in a contract.

      Galaxy SIII on Verizon $199 + $350 ETF reduced by $10/month
      Galaxy SIII on T-Mobile: $549 or $69 + $20/month for 24 months = $549

      If you break your Verizon contract in the first month, your phone cost is $199 + $350 for the phone, or $549
      If you break you T-Mobile contract in the first month, your phone cost is $69 + 20*24 = $549

      If you break your Verizon contract after 6 months, you owe $350 - ($10*6) = $290 to break your contract
      If you break your T-mobile contract after 6 months, you owe 18 * $20 = $360 to break your contract

      If you break your Verizon contract after 12 months, you owe $350 - ($10*12) = $230 to break your contract
      If you break your T-mobile contract after 12 months, you own 12 * $12 = $240 to break your contract

      However, in the last 2 cases, you saved $130 on the price of the phone so you still break even or come out ahead.

      And, at the end of the payback term, if you stay with T-Mobile, you save $20/month since the phone's paid off, but with VErizon you keep paying the same amount.

  7. Spectrum cartel by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is this? Other than 'muricans are dim fucks that put up with any shit?

    The problem is that one can't just start his own cell phone network, with blackjack and hookers, because an oligopoly of four companies have snapped up effectively all the spectrum in the cellular bands. One must either put up with what the spectrum cartel offers or do without cellular service. If you believe I've presented a false dilemma, please feel free to explain your third option.

  8. Now is the time for SUPPORT by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's check out the fine print (is unlimited data really unlimited? etc., etc.) but if T-Mobile is honestly offering unlimited calls, data, tethering, and text without a contract then NOW you can vote with your dollars and switch. If you miss this opportunity to support them on this and send a real message to the other carriers, then you have no right to complain about the state of cell phone service in the US.

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  9. So glad they weren't allowed to merge with AT& by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope the FTC takes note of this. Good things are happening because companies have to innovate to compete instead of take refuge in mega-mergers.

  10. Re:Tethering by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was wondering about that because the 500MB is labelled high speed. So is it unlimited 3G and 500MB of 4G? Or what?

    The base plan is 500 MB of LTE/HSPA+/3G (whatever you can get where you are), then it's throttled to 2G/EDGE once you go past that. I like that in this situation. T-Mobile is advertising the amount of high speed data in big letters, rather than in the small text under the words "unlimited data". They're also making overage costs disappear. And you can pay for unlimited high speed data, and for unlimited high speed data with tethering, and less exorbitant than usual rates.

    It's really good that one of the big carriers are doing something different. I hope it works out for them.

  11. Re:Capitalism works despite regulation by bored · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Utterly wrong, and ignorant of the very definition of "competition". Usually regulation works to PREVENT competition by helping a large entity prevent smaller competitors from succeeding.

    Maybe, i'm feeding the troll here, but its pretty much impossible to study business/economics and not discover abuse of monopoly power, price fixing, collusion, and dozens of other practices that are outlawed because they allow a larger competitor to simply crush any upstarts. The GP is right, competition requires regulation to assure a level playing field. That regulation can be used to lock upstarts out of a field is just another case of monopoly abuse. The wierd thing is that there is plenty of "regulations" that could be repealed (see real-estate agents/broker laws for example) but that isn't the regulation that is being repealed. Instead its regulation to assure that I can't dump toxic sludge into the local creek thereby shifting a cost of business onto society.

  12. Re:Capitalism works despite regulation by alexander_686 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To expand on what bored is saying.

    Regulation can be used to restrict competition to the insiders. Real Estate is a good example. Most states require licensed realtors to offer Cadillac services – which means nobody offers a striped down version – which is why commissions are uniformly high.

    On the other hand, regulation can be used to bring down the barriers to entry – see the internet. Telecom firms were required to wire up and transmit data regardless of who provided the equipment or services. Regulation helps when one side/group has a significant edge over consumers or other outside producers.

    So regulation is neither good nor bad – it is how it used. (FYI, I prefer less regulation then more)