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Egyptian Forces Capture 3 Divers Trying To Cut Undersea Internet Cable

Egypt's Naval forces claim they have captured three scuba divers who were trying to cut an undersea Internet cable in the Mediterranean. Col. Ahmed Mohammed Ali said in a statement that the divers were caught while “cutting the undersea cable” of Telecom Egypt. Internet services have been disrupted since March 22 in Egypt. From the article: "The statement was accompanied by a photo showing three young men, apparently Egyptian, staring up at the camera in what looks like an inflatable launch. It did not have further details on who they were or why they would have wanted to cut a cable."

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  1. Measure twice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But did they even cut once?

    1. Re: Measure twice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, they cut into the cable but not all the way through it. It resulted in slower Internet traffic in the region fed by those cables.

    2. Re:Measure twice. by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      With modern cable ships, it's actually pretty routine work. They get damaged by ship anchors on regular basis.

    3. Re: Measure twice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The cable was slightly bent during the process, so 0's could get through, but 1's would get stuck where the cable is bent. That's how you end up with slower Internet traffic.

    4. Re: Measure twice. by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      The cable was slightly bent during the process, so 0's could get through, but 1's would get stuck where the cable is bent. That's how you end up with slower Internet traffic.

      That's peculiar. 1s look so much more slender than 0s. You'd think they'd be able to slip through a space where a 0 would get caught.

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    5. Re:Measure twice. by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

      There is some copper in an optical fiber cable which is needed to supply power to the repeaters spaced along its length.

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    6. Re: Measure twice. by foobsr · · Score: 3, Funny
      That's peculiar. 1s look so much more slender than 0s.

      Here is the magic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensegrity

      CC.

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    7. Re:Measure twice. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

      There is some copper in an optical fiber cable which is needed to supply power to the repeaters spaced along its length.

      Unless they use Erbium-doped fiber amplifiers that require no electrical power to be fed down the cable.

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    8. Re:Measure twice. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The last time I researched this (admittedly some time ago) they did send the pump laser signal down the fiber like this. There were two choices - send the pump signal down the same fiber as the signal, or down a different fiber that was physically joined/merged with the signal cables(s). It looks like that didn't work out, since Wikipedia agrees with you: Repeaters are powered by a constant direct current passed down the conductor near the center of the cable...

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  2. Col. Ahmed Mohammed Ali by Cito · · Score: 4, Funny

    Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, he makes sure Egypt doesn't lose internet tv.

  3. Copper prices by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It did not have further details on who they were or why they would have wanted to cut a cable."

    They probably thought it was copper cable. It sells for a pretty penny as scrap right now you know. Imagine their shock when they were told by the cops it contained only "worthless" fiber.

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    1. Re:Copper prices by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was thinking that Telecom Egypt needed an excuse for screwing up the Internet for so long, so they are framing somebody for it. Two months in jail for $100,000. There were hundreds lined up, and they took the first three.

    2. Re:Copper prices by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fiber has a kevlar sheating which should worth something.

      Why? It's not like you can use it for anything. Kevlar needs to be purpose made for specific uses. You can't melt it down and reuse it like metal. You can buy sheets of Kevlar fabric for very little. It's mostly the labor and skill that it takes to make stuff that adds the value. Not the material itself.

    3. Re:Copper prices by plover · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fiber has a kevlar sheating which should worth something.

      Worth what, exactly? The stuff is woven about the plastic sheathed glass fibers, some insulated copper wires that carry power to the repeaters, and encased in a waterproof coating. If you cut it open and empty the useless crap out you'll destroy the integrity of the fibers. It's not like you can knit yourself a bulletproof Kevlar sweater out of it.

      The copper will be worth a few farthings per furlong, but that's likely to be it for value.

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    4. Re:Copper prices by plover · · Score: 2

      It still has a copper conductor carrying 7kV, used to power the undersea signal repeaters.

      You can, however, imagine their shock when the saboteurs encountered the 7000 volts.

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    5. Re:Copper prices by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I used some mysef to make an ndestructable dog toy. Worked nicely: Kevlar-denim-silicone composite fabric witht two squeakers inside. Super-tough.

      Dog doesn't like it though. He prefrs toys with bits that can be ripped off, so e just have to keep buying new toys every week.

      Silly tablet keyboard is dropping letters.

    6. Re:Copper prices by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yet the dog lives.

      I took that into account. The outer layer is a very tough, abrasion-resistant denim. Dog-safe. The kevlar is used underneath that to add tensile strength, and kevlar thread is used in all the stitching. Seams turned inwards, of course. Dog had has that toy for a year and subjected it to a lot of demanding use, and it has yet to tear or puncture.

    7. Re: Copper prices by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Do the ones in your bathroom go up to 11?

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  4. Plausible deniability and/or something to hide by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see two likely possibilities:

    1. Plausible deniability.

    Say that a foreign government decides they want to tap a cable. The easiest way is to cut the cable a few hundred miles away so that nobody will notice while they're severing and reconnecting fibers. Sure, they could blame somebody dragging an anchor across it, but that starts to look suspicious if you do it too many times. But if you can create what looks like a botched terrorist act, then you can later come and sever the cable, and everybody will assume that the successful cut was also a terrorist act. Even better if Egypt can host a mock show trial.

    2. Something to hide.

    Say you're the Syrian government and you don't want the world to have proof that you are beginning to gas the dissidents. What better way to cut off communication than to sever the right undersea cables?

    Of course, I could be wrong—it could really be a terrorist organization—but I really can't think of any plausible aims that could be achieved by doing something like this, which is why it seems more likely that it was done by some random government's black ops team, either for nefarious purposes or to distract attention away from something else nefarious.

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    1. Re:Plausible deniability and/or something to hide by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tapping fiber is not so easy, as it's photonic. The cuts would be seen by optical time domain reflectometry on the other side. Doing it underwater is ugly. #1 isn't so easy.

      Hiding something, like a service outage while you're about to do something evil is somewhat plausible, save that it's no longer possible to actually shut down ALL of the communications going out of a country, just a large bulk of it. Why would Syria, Israel, or even the Eritreans try to cut the cable? I think #2 is equally implausible.

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    2. Re:Plausible deniability and/or something to hide by jamesh · · Score: 2

      Of course, I could be wrong—it could really be a terrorist organization

      If so, then they've really lost their way. Sure it's easier to cut an undersea cable than to blow up a nightclub or to fly a plane into a building, but where's the terror? Sure it's inconvenient to have slow internet, but they are terrorists not invonvenientists....

    3. Re:Plausible deniability and/or something to hide by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      You will do anything to rationalize your wars.

      How is Assad's slaughter of his own people "our" war? How was Saddam's invasion of Kuwait "our" war? How was the Taliban's brutal tyranny in Afghanistan "our" war? Your cognitive dissonance on this topic is pretty amazing. I suppose you'd consider the US's involvement in beating back German and Japanese tyranny to also be "our" war, right? Please, be specific.

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  5. How were they able to tell by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    they were Egyptian simply by the way they looked?

    1. Re:How were they able to tell by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Funny

      they were Egyptian simply by the way they looked?

      I've hear of DUI, DWI and DWB (Driving While Black). But this is the first case of DWE (Diving While Egyptian) that I'm aware of.

    2. Re:How were they able to tell by mingle · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... maybe it was the way they walked?

    3. Re:How were they able to tell by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Too bad for them that not all the cops were in the donut shop.

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    4. Re:How were they able to tell by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "they were Egyptian simply by the way they looked?"

      They obviously walked like an Egyptian.

  6. I mean... by RandomUsername99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who, at some point, hasn't gotten *that* tired of seeing stupid reddit memes?

  7. Re:Really? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that even a real name? I swear news stories sound faker and faker every day. So what right will they want to take away in the US because someone "tried to cut an Internet cable"?

    You will no longer be able to have flippers in your carry-on luggage. The TSA will require cavity searches of anyone going to tropical locations that may attract scuba divers. Regulators and frog masks will be banned from carry-on and checked luggage. Anyone purchasing or filling any kind of tank (including, but not limited to oxygen, water, CO2, propane, argon, nitrogen, etc.) will need to be registered, fingerprinted, and relinquish their constitutional rights and future social security payments. Additionally anyone who uses more than 100 gallons of water per month must turn over their first born daughter to spin straw into gold to help finance the new agency offshoot of the TSA to "protect" us all from this new vile form of terrorism.

  8. Eerily reminiscent of 3 cable cuts in 2008 by Thagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    During a week in 2008, three undersea cables were cut off of Egypt. At the time (and still) the cuts were attributed to ships dragging anchors -- although the fact that there were three cuts so close in time was, and remains, hard to believe.

    So, now we see people intentionally cutting a cable. Hmm.

    During the second world war, there were teams of saboteurs who were tasked with cutting telephone cables across France, in preference to almost any other target, because it was much easier for the British to intercept radio messages than telephone messages. I can't imagine any other reason for this.

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    1. Re:Eerily reminiscent of 3 cable cuts in 2008 by jewens · · Score: 2

      I wonder if anyone has yet designed a task-specific cable-cutting anchor or is this an untapped market?

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    2. Re:Eerily reminiscent of 3 cable cuts in 2008 by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "although the fact that there were three cuts so close in time was, and remains, hard to believe."

      I debunked this conspiracy theory at the time. I can't be arsed to do it in such detail again, but the gist of it was that using the ITU's stats on cable cuts 3 cuts in a week wasn't out of the norm and submarine cables tend to get cut all the time (at least once a week). It's a more common occurrence than people realise.

      Couple this with the fact that Egypt has the Suez canal which is one of the busiest (or even simply the busiest?) shipping lane in the world and there's really nothing hard to believe about that sort of incident at all.

      I know some people get excited when they see a chance for conspiracy but I'm afraid the world is often much less exciting. Much as I might be amused by the idea that this woman is part of a crack commando unit for example, I think she really was probably just looking for salvage:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13158351

  9. Egyptian need slogan by loki.tang · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Cable contains no copper, Steal it will put you in jail". Chinese print this slogan everywhere in China.

  10. It's more like a grudge against the Western world by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, but who might have a grudge against Egypt?

    In the case of the Muslim Brotherhood, the grudge is more aiming at the "immorality of the Western world" than anything else

    The Internet (at least that cable) is a symbol of Internet, and to many of those holier than thou folks, the Net is a "tool of the West" that brings in all kinds of filth

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  11. Can't get off this ride by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Stop with the war mongering please.

    How about you stop the wars first, Mr. "sticking my head in the sand".

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    1. Re:Can't get off this ride by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      So, you still believe all the lies that were used to start the last wars.

      Lies? Let's see...I'm guessing that you think:

      The Taliban was not actually running Afghanistan at the point of a sword, or harboring Al Queda. Or, they were happy to give up the organization that attacked embassies, the Cole, NYC, etc ... all an illusion created by the Tri-Lateral Commission and the Illuminati, right? Right!

      Saddam didn't invade Kuwait. That was all staged, and the thousands of troops, tanks, and supply chains set up for that invasion was actually faked by the Bush administration. Or, maybe that DID happen, but you're thinking that everything that Sadddam did after he agreed to the terms that ended the ongoing destruction of his military when he got kicked out was correct, but every news agency and government in the world lied, right? He actually WAS allowing inspectors everywhere they wanted to do. He actually WAS showing what he did with mountains of VX gas (instead of trucking it to Syria). He actually was NOT slaughtering thousands of people with WMDs (all fake dead bodies, of course!). All of the time he spend shooting at US and allied aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones was actually fake. All of the long-range missiles he continued to make and import from North Korea - just props, right (and the fact that he was able to shoot those props into places like Israel - all just CGI, of course). The UN's documentation of his scamming the Oil For Food program to rebuild his military and more palaces - fake, of course (all of those well fed soldiers and new weapons were actors and props shipped in by the Bush administration).

      No point going on, since you already know you're a trolling fool.

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  12. Re:Really? by unimacs · · Score: 2

    I got my certification years ago and my card was falling apart. So I recently went to the PADI website to see what it would take to get a new one. I was shocked at how easily they'd give out another card. With very little verification of who you claim to be, they'll send out a new card to any address you want, - and update the photo to one that you upload.

  13. Re:Are they from the Muslim Brotherhood ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doubtful. The Muslim Brotherhood isn't isolationist like, e.g., the Taliban, nor do they have anything in particular against the West, as with Wahhabism. In other words, they don't necessarily see a conflict between modern institutions and Islamic life. They just have a really, really, really conservative opinion about how to live as a Muslim within a modern, technologically progressive nation-state.

    They're more like what you'd get with Pat Robertson and his ultra-conservative compatriots controlling all three branches of the government. You could kiss the Constitution goodbye, but you'd still have some semblance of federalism, a free market, free-ish speech, etc.

  14. Re:Are they from the Muslim Brotherhood ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are not isolationist in the sense that they are happy to support foreign Jihadi organizations, like Hamas, CAIR, al Qaeda, et al. They are certainly isolationist when it comes to Western - read Infidel - influences on Egypt - that's a part of what those 'Arab Spring' revolutions were all about.

    Really, the last thing that we need is apologists here for a Jihadi organization that's the parent organization of terror groups like Hamas and al Qaeda, and trying to paint them as being nicer than Wahabis or the Taliban. The only difference between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Wahabis is that the former believes in the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence, whereas the latter follow the Hanbalis. But to non-Sunnis, it's a distinction without a difference.

  15. Could be some dumbass thieves by Biff+Stu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quite a few years ago I was hanging out in Egypt at a Red Sea resort with my girlfriend. Now I can hang on a lounge chair on a beach for a few hours, but that's about all can take before I want to get up and do something. So, I decided to take a tour boat out to the coral and go snorkeling. When the boat got to the coral reefs, they dropped their anchor right on the reef, which pissed me off. The captain explained that the government had installed permanent mooring buoys in order to preserve the coral, but these had been stolen by thieves.

    Now, fiber cable doesn't have the same resale value as copper, but then try to explain that to a third world dumbass thief.

  16. Re:Picture... by They'reComingToTakeM · · Score: 3, Informative

    Photos are included on The Register's coverage of the story.

  17. Collateral damage by Kelerei · · Score: 5, Informative

    The East African SEACOM cable has been having outages lately; they posted an outage notification due to a cable break off the Egyptian coast at 08:40 UTC yesterday (March 27th, 2013). Of course, this has been having knock-on effects: for instance, many South African ISPs use this cable as their primary international link, and have had to fall over to secondary links resulting in significant service degradation.

    Co-incidence? Perhaps, perhaps not...

  18. Wired's Hacker Tourist wrote of Alexandria, Egypt by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's an amazing article that gives all kinds of historical telecom cable information, including the internet exchange in Alexandria Egypt. It also discusses repair ships and some inherent physics problems having to do with the pressures placed on the spindles (of the undersea cables) on-deck.

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html

    Sadly, I can't locate a version of the article with the wonderful photos of the original printed piece.

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  19. Re:Are they from the Muslim Brotherhood ? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    They were probably trying to steal the copper.

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  20. Slowdown Felt in India by inhuman.games · · Score: 2

    "Dear Customer, Due to international undersea cable system down between India to Europe, you may face slow issues in some sites. Inconvenience regretted-Beamtele". I just got that message from my Indian ISP, Beam Telecom. Some European sites are noticeably slower for me here in India.

  21. Re:Are they from the Muslim Brotherhood ? by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Muslim Brotherhood isn't isolationist like, e.g., the Taliban nor do they have anything in particular against the West

    Oh, well they don't sound all that bad...

    They're more like what you'd get with Pat Robertson and his ultra-conservative compatriots controlling all three branches of the government.

    OH GOD KILL IT WITH FIRE!

  22. Re:Are they from the Muslim Brotherhood ? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Israel IS the "world melting down".

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