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Iain Banks: Extremely Ill With Cancer

The_Other_Kelly writes "News that will shock and sadden the many fans of Iain (M.) Banks. He is suffering from gall bladder cancer, and things do not look good: 'The bottom line, now, I'm afraid, is that as a late stage gall bladder cancer patient, I'm expected to live for "several months" and it's extremely unlikely I'll live beyond a year.' His books, both normal and science fiction, are world view warping Excessions, and my heart goes out to him and his. I am shocked and saddened. Thank you, Iain."

150 comments

  1. No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by durrr · · Score: 2

      Very sad. Every new culture book release was like Christmas for me.
      If only we could borrow some technology from his books, to back him up or something...

    2. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      No, it's Iain M Banks that writes the Culture novels.

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    3. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's Iain M Banks that writes the Culture novels.

      Same person

    4. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Hear that sound?

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    5. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree - reading his books is definitely back to the core values of Science Fiction - let a great idea be the base for stories that are amazing. Each new book has a new thread to follow independent of the others and at the same time that thread is a part of a great weave.

      I would like to call his Culture books Epic. He has earned a top position among authors like Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein, Vance, Van Vogt and Bester to name a few.

      The great thing with Science Fiction is that you can take an idea and extrapolate it to a story. You as a reader may not agree with the basic idea (like some do with Heinlein's Starship Troopers) but the story created is still a pleasure to read.

      Just realize that when he passes on he has left a decent legacy and mark in literature. It's a privilege that few has earned.

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    6. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by grep_rocks · · Score: 1

      This is very sad news - I can't say anything more that others on this thread but just to add my voice in saying thank you

    7. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's earned a top position in the science fiction pantheon based on ideas and plot alone.

      When you add in actual skill in writing, I don't think anyone comes close, except perhaps LeGuin. Seriously, he's a fucking incredible writer regardless of topic.

    8. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Andy_R · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it's the same person.

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    9. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I just discovered his books a couple years ago and absolutely love his material. I hope he can beat it, but if not, he will be sorely missed.

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    10. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try.

    11. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beat it?

      Honey... We all get it in the end.

    12. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by durrr · · Score: 1

      Surgery is out of the option due to the infiltration of large vessels, so really, it's pretty much radio and chemo that's the only options. And those are rarely curative on their own, surgery is always the best option.

      Unfortunately gall bladder cancers have abysmal prognosis, not as bad as pancreatic or stomach, but save for some recent developments in the market I'm afraid it's looking bleak in the long term.

      You can however buy time with chemo, get the tumor size down a fair bit and keep the infiltration and metabolic loads in check for a while. It can give up a few years.

    13. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's the sound of a pitiful at comedy falling flat on it's face. Even the tumbleweeds are looking at you like you're not funny.

    14. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      He has earned a top position among authors like Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein, Vance, Van Vogt and Bester to name a few.

      No, he is a better writer than any of them, and that's just his Iain M Banks science fiction. None of them have anything like his Iain Banks "straight" fiction in their locker.

      I think we should be grateful that an excellent writer was able to devote so much of his energies to science fiction, which is still dismissed as second rate "genre" fiction by many critics and authors.

      This is desperately sad news.

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    15. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Beat it?

      Honey... We all get it in the end.

      We don't all get it at 59, fuckface.

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    16. Re:No more "Culture" novels. Damn. by Keith+Henson · · Score: 1

      "back him up"

      The only way we have now that might work is cryonic suspension. I have been signed up with Alcor since 1985, along with Marvin Minsky, Ray Kurzweil and Eric Drexler to name a few. Iain might have enough money handy to pay for it, but in any case I am willing to kick in $500. Perhaps through Kickstarter.

      If you think this is a good idea, you might drop a line to Alcor's CEO, Max More, max@alcor.org. Put Iain Banks in the subject line.

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  2. Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Trapezium+Artist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I posted a little earlier on The Guardian:

    Desperately sad news.

    His contemporary and science fiction novels have been an important part of my life for many, many years, and I shall miss knowing that his twisted and brilliant imagination is beavering away at new works.

    But if nothing else, looking for a silver lining to this dark, dark cloud, I'm at least happy to have the chance to thank him publicly, before he's gone, for the great pleasure I've had in reading his books.

    I'm sure he's greatly loved by many and I hope that that knowledge can go at least some small way to helping him and his wife through the months to come.

    1. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desperately sad news.

      His contemporary and science fiction novels have been an important part of my life for many, many years, and I shall miss knowing that his twisted and brilliant imagination is beavering away at new works.

      But if nothing else, looking for a silver lining to this dark, dark cloud, I'm at least happy to have the chance to thank him publicly, before he's gone, for the great pleasure I've had in reading his books.

      I'm sure he's greatly loved by many and I hope that that knowledge can go at least some small way to helping him and his wife through the months to come.

      As do I, although I choose to confront this outside context problem with somewhat less gravitas: At least he goes without having to worry about being crushed by a cage of leg-thick tentacles.

      Thanks, Iain.

    2. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Dresden+Sparrow · · Score: 1

      Could not agree more. Thank you Iain.

    3. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Armakuni · · Score: 1

      I agree fully with this. Well put.

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    4. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Pope · · Score: 1

      Well said. I've not much more to add other than having been a fan of his books over the years and gotten a few friends reading him, it's very sad to hear of his health situation. Definitely will be missed.

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    5. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Stripe7 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for all the stories, you will be missed.

    6. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I posted a little earlier on The Guardian:

      Desperately sad news.

      His contemporary and science fiction novels have been an important part of my life for many, many years, and I shall miss knowing that his twisted and brilliant imagination is beavering away at new works.

      But if nothing else, looking for a silver lining to this dark, dark cloud, I'm at least happy to have the chance to thank him publicly, before he's gone, for the great pleasure I've had in reading his books.

      I'm sure he's greatly loved by many and I hope that that knowledge can go at least some small way to helping him and his wife through the months to come.

      I think we should be joyous that he's still alive, so many people seem to already comment like he's dead. I'm sure he wants people to treat him like he's still alive.

    7. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      As I posted a little earlier on The Guardian:

      Desperately sad news.

      His contemporary and science fiction novels have been an important part of my life for many, many years, and I shall miss knowing that his twisted and brilliant imagination is beavering away at new works.

      But if nothing else, looking for a silver lining to this dark, dark cloud, I'm at least happy to have the chance to thank him publicly, before he's gone, for the great pleasure I've had in reading his books.

      I'm sure he's greatly loved by many and I hope that that knowledge can go at least some small way to helping him and his wife through the months to come.

      I think we should be joyous that he's still alive, so many people seem to already comment like he's dead. I'm sure he wants people to treat him like he's still alive.

      It's the end of his writing output after his next book is out. It would be a sad end of an era regardless of how it came about, but I also think that we'd like to imagine that were he on the net vanity searching, he might want to know he'll be missed and remembered.

    8. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by heefeneet · · Score: 2

      I also think that we'd like to imagine that were he on the net vanity searching, he might want to know he'll be missed and remembered.

      He said he is setting up a website for people to leave him messages. The site is not up yet so I cant post a link.

    9. Re:Iain (M) Banks: you will be greatly missed. by heefeneet · · Score: 1
  3. The third by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did anyone else read extremely 'the third'? Seriously need to change that font

    1. Re:The third by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extremely the Third? Yep, that could be a ship name.

    2. Re:The third by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Yes, I parsed it it as the title of a new book

      Extremely 3: With Cancer

    3. Re:The third by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one. ;/

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  4. Oh no! by Saethan · · Score: 1

    He is a great writer. Recently read 'Consider Phlebas' and picked up a couple more of his books immediately after finishing it.

    1. Re:Oh no! by TequilaMonster · · Score: 1

      My best mate is a fan of his work. I like it too, but I have a problem in that since a particularly ... finger lickin' good scene in Consider Phlebas, my squick factor precludes me from reading any more of his work. Without any details, that particular scene pressed a particular dark, furry, oily and squirming button in my psyche, and I cannot get rid of the image in my mind, even years later.

      *shudder*

      Still, I heartily concur, on behalf of my friends, and myself before that button was squished. It is very sad news.

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  5. I hate myself sometimes by gnalre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I read the news my first thought was how terrible it will be that there will be no more culture novels. My 2nd thought was for his family and friends, which is a pretty terrible way of thinking about these things.

    My only excuse is that I know the man by the joy his books have given me, and I feel his impending loss by the realisation of the gap in my life that will result when no new ones appear.

    Still pretty shitty though

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    1. Re:I hate myself sometimes by Azghoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's terrible about your way of thinking?

      You don't know him personally. The only attachment you have to the guy is through his very fine novels. Why should you personally feel bad about how his family and friends took the news?

      It's definitely a shame.

    2. Re:I hate myself sometimes by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not strange or unfeeling to not empathize with someone you have never met, and probably don't even know who they are. I know him by his books and that is why I think of them first. If I knew his family, we would likely think of them first, of course.

      And I would be willing to bet that one of the things Mr. Banks is unhappy about in the current situation is not being able to write something new as well. Obviously, he will probably have more immediate concerns in his remaining time, but I think I would be gratified to know that he is leaving behind something that people like.

    3. Re:I hate myself sometimes by Megane · · Score: 1

      And he quite probably feels the same way. I recently had a kidney tumor found on a CT scan when I had a kidney stone on the other side. Less than a month later and one kidney less, I should now be cancer-free. (It was pre-symptomatic, so it hadn't had time to spread, though I have yet to hear biopsy results.)

      It's been quite a mood whiplash, but overall I am happy that I can keep being creative.

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    4. Re:I hate myself sometimes by BloodInBloodOut · · Score: 1

      thats what i thought at first few seconds and realized how wrong it was, damn, is there a place/site where i can say "thanks man" for the stories?

    5. Re:I hate myself sometimes by glwtta · · Score: 0

      You're an even shittier person than you though: you didn't think at all about the families and friends of the millions of other people currently dying of cancer and other illnesses.

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    6. Re:I hate myself sometimes by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      It'd be really nice if he could open source the Culture and allow other writers to carry on the tradition.

      I don't know who would come close to filling his boots, but the Culture is such a fantastic idea that it'd be a greate tribute to the man.

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    7. Re:I hate myself sometimes by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:I hate myself sometimes by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      do you even know if he has family? I don't. don't beat yourself over it, he's the one dying so feel bad for him.

      I don't know why I should(know if he has family or attachments), in fact I think that might be a little creepy since I only know him as a guy who wrote some books I have read. I haven't read all the culture stuff but it would be nice if he could write more.

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    9. Re:I hate myself sometimes by Genda · · Score: 1

      Oh Yeah, because a book written by a crowd of past Comicon attendees should be every bit as fine as a tome created in the distinctive style and manner of a bright and visionary Scottish author. You may want to take note of the recent lack of Asimov or Heinlein fan fic. Enjoy this amazing human being's contribution to literary culture and tickling the human imagination, and mourn that his work is now complete. This is the current sad state of being human.

      Let us use this limited time to acknowledge this fine person's gifts to us, aid him in any way that we can to use this time to his utmost joy and happiness and leave him well thanked and appreciated. Would that we all leave this mortal coil, loved, celebrated and honored.

    10. Re:I hate myself sometimes by Genda · · Score: 1

      Follow the links in the article to his personal site. He will now be making his long term companion his widow (besides the expression of love therein, I'm guessing there'll be the expedience of making certain that his estate passes to her and knowing someone he loves will manage his posthumous wishes almost certain provides some degree of solace.) He mentions sharing time with friends and loved ones and traveling to places that hold personal importance one more time. I dunno, sounds like a great use of limited time.

    11. Re:I hate myself sometimes by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I appreciate his skill and talent, but I think it would celebrate the richness of his universe creation and be paying him tribute.

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    12. Re:I hate myself sometimes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      When I read the news my first thought was how terrible it will be that there will be no more culture novels. My 2nd thought was for his family and friends, which is a pretty terrible way of thinking about these things.

      No, unless you're family or a friend yourself, it is perfectly reasonable. You can't get heartbroken over every human being who is dying, you'd be insane within a couple of days.

      Like me, your knowledge of Iain Banks is as a writer. In that sense, he has achieved immortality.

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    13. Re:I hate myself sometimes by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      If you want to write a novel in the style of the Culture novels, there's nothing to stop you is there? [*] The only legal problem would be if you copied stuff directly, used existing characters' names or tried to pass it off as being by Iain M Banks, wouldn't it?

      There's no copyright/patent/trademark on things like spaceships with AI, drug-enhanced human beings, backed-up personalities, or a post-scarcity economic system or whatever. You find them in all sorts of science fiction.

      Fiction (at least well written fiction like Iain M Banks's) doesn't have the equivalent of source code that you need permission to copy.

      [*] Apart from an absence of literary ability, imagination and so on.

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    14. Re:I hate myself sometimes by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I appreciate his skill and talent, but I think it would celebrate the richness of his universe creation and be paying him tribute.

      If you can write, the best way to honour Iain M Banks is to write the best you can, not try to copy him.

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    15. Re:I hate myself sometimes by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of fans adding to the history/future of the events in the Culture universe, and that could well involve using existing characters' names.

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  6. Re:His works will (hopefully) grow in stature in t by dintech · · Score: 1

    I've read all of his books and have grown quite attached to his writing style. Even the more difficult to follow ones such as The Bridge were still pretty good in their own right. I'm a Scot who doesn't live in Scotland any more, so I take particular joy in his books set in Scotland like The Wasp Factory, Complicity and Stonemouth.

    Also, You don't have to look far to find a few Culture references in the Halo games.

  7. He is a good guy to meet and had time for his fans by bentwonk2 · · Score: 2

    Fun to meet and loves curry, wine and whisky, what's not to like? My heart goes out to his family. I have religiously each book of his books as they were published, been a tradition for twenty years now, I can't say any other author has consistently astounded me as he has. Some of his more recent has been great as well. (I recommend The Algebraist & Surface Detail). Thank you Iain.

  8. Terminal by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

    I do hope that he gets to enjoy an adequate amount of time with his family and friends.
    His books have given me much enjoyment over the past 20 years. I thank him for that.

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  9. Terrible news by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

    I'm upset to hear about this, his book "Use of Weapons" was inspired, head and shoulders above the usual fiction mill derivatives. Talent for creation is rare, and the world will be a lesser place without Ian. Get better!

    1. Re:Terrible news by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 1

      Completely agreed, my copy of UoW has been loaned to a few folks who thought the height of science fiction was the TV / video game spin-off novel - straightened them out but good! Ian, your boundless creativity will be sorely missed.

  10. I wish there was a way he could try this by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 2

    There are some amazing nanotech cancer drugs that look like they are just starting human trials like this one http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/14434/20130328/cancer-treatment-cd47-miracle-bullet-breast-colon-bladder-antibody-eat-macrophage-immune.htm

    I know that at this early stage there are definitely not guarantees that it even works on humans. However, at this point, it is not like he can really get worse. I have had friends die from cancer and one of the reasons I went back to school was to help make many lab bench science cures practical industrial ones. If this has any chance at all of working it would be nice if he could try it, it could stop the spread of the cancer giving him a lot more time for other things to develop and it could even completely cure the cancer.

    These new immune system type nanotherapies are amazing. The idea of basically planting flags on cancer cells that your immune system will then recognize as something to be destroyed is probably one of the most creative ways to deal with cancer I have seen. Nothing toxic, your body deals with the problem at its own pace, the macrophages tell the other cells in the area to start replicating into the areas they are removing. You also don't have a toxic shock effect of so many cells dieing all at once since the therapy does not kill the cancer cells, it just marks them for destruction by your immune system.

    It looks like we are very close to having real treatments and cures and I want to end the suffering that people go through with cancer. The drugs many people end up on towards the end are pretty bad and nobody should go through that.

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    1. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by dkf · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the real problem is that this is a metastasized liver-related cancer, and without good liver function chemotherapy is really likely to kill the patient. Which is a damn shame; I really like his books.

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    2. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I told people I was "very poorly" as well, when I was diagnosed with cancer. On reflection, I shouldn't have said this as many people didn't realise the impact on life expectancy. It is very trying living with cancer... one moment you can do all the things you know and love, the next moment you are in "palliative care" and can barely do anything (nor have the will to do it). Live will Iain - you inspired a generation or two!

    3. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

      This is not chemotherapy. That is one reason this is such an interesting direction we are going in trying to develop a cure for cancer.

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    4. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Genda · · Score: 2

      Right, the devastation of chemo is that you give people metabolic poison in the hopes of killing cancer before you kill the patient. In practice its grisly business. These new immunotherapies promise great advancements in using our own bodies to defend themselves against cancer (the way they're supposed to.) The real problem with cancer is that it's a moving target. It evolves, changes, adapts. Kill of 99.999% of a cancer and what's left are the cancer cells that don't respond to that particular treatment. If you're very lucky, your immune system finishes off the stragglers. If not in a year or two it's back with a vengeance, and the last treatment won't work this time. Passive nanotech is amazing and very promising in the short term, but we need to pursue active nanotech full on. That's the future that ends human disease as we know it, and extends the human lifespan into completely unknown territory.

    5. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. However giving how quick our tech is advancing right now buying someone a year without using chemo is worth it. Various nanotech treatments/cures are progressing very rapidly. A year from now we might have a complete cure or a range of other passive treatments. Besides just giving someone a year in which the cancer will not be causing them pain, allowing them to live a normal life etc would be worth it.

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    6. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why you are describing these drugs as nanotech; they're as nanotech as any other biological drugs. They are also often still toxic. Not the same way as traditional chemotherapies, but can still blow out your kidneys.

    7. Re:I wish there was a way he could try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most promising and scientifically likely true cancer cures are stalled because they are centered around inexpensive generic drugs and treatments that aren't new... and this is extemely problematic. Unless it can be patented... and profitable, there will be no cancer cure. Don't take it personally, Humanity... it's just business.

  11. A forward-looking, positive view by PuddleBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Banks used a motif in his Culture books that I wish we saw more of in Sci-Fi: a future where (almost) everyone's basic needs of life were taken care of. No poverty or war (most of the time). You didn't have to take a crappy job just to put food on the table and live in some tiny apartment.

    This allows the author to explore the potential the human mind and society have if you remove the day-to-day worry of survival. We are, as a species, capable of so much more than just 'survival' and 'business efficiencies' and minimal laws governing what large corporations/governments can do to us. Banks pondered new ideas about what we could dream up if freed from daily worry. New ways of living, thinking in very broad vistas (over time and space), exploring what is possible beyond the body we were born with. Wondering what it would be like to be another gender or species? Make the change! Want to enjoy (truly) exotic adventures, but still maintain a good chance of surviving it? The Culture's got you covered!

    I believe that our (unfortunately necessary) focus on survival in our present world draws off energy and creativity that could be applied to expanding what it means to be human. It's nice to read an author who wants to speculate about what might lie beyond our present existence.

    Banks will be sorely missed.

    1. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

      Charles Stross also wrote of a similar future in his Accelerando; and of corruptions of such in other novels, like Singularity Sky. His works are perhaps a bit more skeptical of such an outcome; disasters and initiation of force still happen. But it also happens in Banks' Culture.

    2. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I also found his description of what is possible in a post-scarcity situation to be very interesting as well, even as I consider it extremely unlikely that such a state is one that a civilization will ever actually reach, given how physical laws work out.

      One of the interesting aspects of post-scarcity is considering the more likely situation where resources still have some level of scarcity, but humans no longer actually need to physically do anything to have their needs met. That situation is increasingly coming about, although we still have a long way to go. In theory, that should be great, but since many people, if not most, define themselves by what they do, what happens when what they do is all in the purely recreational or optional realm?

    3. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Pope · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's one of the great things I loved about the Culture novels. Essentially: if you could do just about anything with your life, what would you do? Some zip around the galaxies getting in dangerous adventures, some stay on their orbital and have really amazing parties, some stick to their home planets and garden.

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    4. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      I loved the books, especially "Excession" and "Consider Phlebas" and I was saddened to hear this news about Mr. Banks.

      That being said, don't you think that there was an implied but mostly unexplored "dark side" lurking under the surface of "The Culture" and their paradise? The technology made everything possible, but they were also sort of "boxed in" by it. It's fun to imagine, but what would life be and where would a species go without some sort of struggle, scarcity or hardship? That's why some of the characters were driven to join the "special forces". They also struck me as being an extremely pretentious bunch with an overwhelming superiority complex. I found some elements of their interactions with "inferior" cultures to be disturbing.

      I was really hoping that there would be a final "culture" novel where those arrogant bastards were annihilated or at least taught a lesson in humility by a superior power.

    5. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Heh, that's interesting - one of my favorite things about The Culture is that Banks isn't given to aggrandizing "the human spirit" or any other such malarkey.

      Without daily worries, the vast majority of Culture citizens dedicate their lives to finding new and interesting ways to get high and stimulate their genitals. It's a very, very few that have exotic adventures, which is actually pretty hard to get into, since you either have to be invited to SC or convince a Mind to take you along.

      I just finished Excession a few weeks ago and, for example, the picture it paints of Phage Rock "high society" sounds very far from the ultimate expression of human potential.

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    6. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      And what would that say of the superior power? That they are greedy, or expansionist, or zealots? While the Culture has its share of issues, they have nothing to be humble about. The desires to destroy and conquer are primitive, and not worthy of enshrining. If they had lost the war to the Idirans, who if you recall very nearly were a superior power, that would unquestionably be a setback for philosophical development in the galaxy.

      Are you secretly a very grumpy cat, by any chance?

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    7. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Back in the 50s Fred Pohl wrote The Midas Plague, depicting the dark side of post-scarcity - that the lower classes would be forced to consume products at a higher rate to match the greater output available. A bit on the shallow side but still effective satire.

    8. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no such thing as 'post scarcity'. No matter how much is available, I can think of ways to use more.

      As much as I like Banks' Culture novels, they're a long, long way from realistic.

    9. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      First off, I've only read the first four culture novels (skipped the short story collection) so maybe my impression will be different when I finish the rest. Based on this reminder, I'm going to start tonight. :-)

      I obviously meant a "superior power" in purely military terms and I hadn't given the slightest thought as to motive. Perhaps the reality of human cultures makes it difficult for me to imagine the co-existence of vast power with entirely benevolent motives? Power corrupts, and I think Banks plays on that theme, but very delicately. Even in The Culture, for all of their presumed benevolence, it seems that the temptation to exercise their power to mess around with their technological inferiors is irresistible. IMHO, this is "bad", even when it's done out of a desire to do "good" because there's always an element of imperfect knowledge and subjective morality involved. The Idirans probably thought they were doing people a favor by imposing their religion on the universe. The Culture intervened in so many other cultures that I thought it would be only fitting if they were on the other end of that experience for once.

      Having a final culture novel which describes their downfall, even if it's ten billion years in the future, and even if it's not due to an alien invasion, also appeals to my literary taste more than "they all lived happily for the rest of eternity".

      Anyway, thinking about these sorts of questions is what makes the books so enjoyable.

      "Are you secretly a very grumpy cat..."

      I was, but The Minds designed a gene therapy treatment for me, and I glanded some Sperk before replying.

    10. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      True, and he pretty much makes this clear by essentially positing both something like hyperspace and an "energy grid' dimension that avoids The Culture pretty much having to run industrial energy production processes. That's a big reason why the Culture can be a bunch of ships and some orbitals primarily: they really don't need to defend something like a Dyson Sphere or Swarm being used for power generation, they can just evacuate people from orbitals if they can at all be predicted to be hit by an attack and the ships can access "grid power" any where.

    11. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banks used a motif in his Culture books that I wish we saw more of in Sci-Fi: a future where (almost) everyone's basic needs of life were taken care of. No poverty or war (most of the time). You didn't have to take a crappy job just to put food on the table and live in some tiny apartment.

      This allows the author to explore the potential the human mind and society have if you remove the day-to-day worry of survival. We are, as a species, capable of so much more than just 'survival' and 'business efficiencies' and minimal laws governing what large corporations/governments can do to us.

      Whether you understand it or not, increases in efficiency are what allow society to drag more and more sluggards along in ever greater standards of comfort. Without 1 farmer being able to feed thousands, people at the bottom would once again spend an entire day farming just to feed themselves which is a hell of a lot like your 'working a shitty job just to feed yourself'. So wank it to a labor-less future with universal plenty but don't beat up on efficiency and it's close friend specialization because they will get society closer to that dream than anything else. You see, when less people contribute, the fewer contributors have to overproduce....nevermind...look at my che shirt. fuck the man.

    12. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      The energy grid wasn't for power. It was so Culture-ships could "drive" across spacetime, rather then needing to be constrained by the rocket equation. Note they interact with it with traction fields.

    13. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      Well, the Culture do mess around with themselves as well. Excession had the Interesting Times Gang doing exactly that, with fairly disasterous results for everyone.

    14. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as 'post scarcity'. No matter how much is available, I can think of ways to use more.

      Well, the Culture really isn't post scarcity. They just create scarcity by stating that any significant level of technology needs to be intelligent. Starships are a notable example and several stories told of how rare it was for a human to be able to just go where ever they wanted to in one. They basically had to find an intelligent ship that wanted to go there. This went all the way down to powered armor for their diplomats. Sure there was plenty of food, clothing and shelter as well as entertainment to keep the multitudes of humans and other aliens, but the industrial demands of that were practically nil compared to the capabilities of the Culture. If they needed space for a few billion people, they just built a new orbital which was effectively "giving birth" to a new Mind.

    15. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Genda · · Score: 1

      All of these are extrapolations of our current culture and therefore unlikely (modern versions of steam punk). Sufficiently advanced technology would shatter our current culture and render huge swaths of it pointless and without valid meaning (nobody today is much concerned about the finer points of hunting and cooking mammoth... though it might make a particularly pithy episode of "Man vs Food".) Material goods that come into and go out of existence as needed preclude any need for a consumption based economy. Ideas and thought forms are the only commodity, information the substance of existence. In fact in such a world even our bodies are just one more construct and can be altered or replaced by whatever our desire or need dictate. Everything boils down to energy consumption, thermodynamics and computational density. Ultimately we become beings composed of information, energy giving form.

      It only makes sense that we will reinvent ourselves. The endless assumptions and cultural baggage that supplants logical existence and purpose driven self expression have made human culture a painful, slog through ignorance, fear violence and class war. None of these thing have any inherent value and inside a society with godlike powers to create and imagine, the rational behind such small minded endeavors would evaporate like dew on a warm summer morning.

      As nanotech gives way to femtotech, we find out if space and time are indeed pliable or if in fact the vast majority of our consciousness remains wrapped around our star, limited by the countless picoseconds it takes for those closest to the sun to communicate with those further away. Our posterity relegated to spores of consciousness dancing on the interstellar winds searching for other intelligence (and all the further questions raised by the possibility of finding it.)

      I don't imagine interstellar corporations. They are already self destructing and we aren't even close to an unbridaled future. The profit motive is inherently suicidal. Our culture hasn't even determined a sustainable cause worth living for. We have a long way yet to evolve, thank Jebus the rate of evolution is exponential.

    16. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, I'm still working on The Player of Games myself, so I know the feeling.

      The trick about superior military powers is that they need to have motives in order to conquer. Power only corrupts when you have an incentive to be corrupt—a person raised in an environment of endless bounty, like the Culture, would be socialized to consider power-seeking to be a form of mental illness. Why take from others when you already have all that you could ever want? It is perhaps the most basic possible immoral act. Certainly there are instincts, but those have little utility for most people for most of their lives. This is why the spy in the first book (Perosteck Balveda) acts so helpless and transparent once she's caught, and is so traumatized by the events she witnessed—really just a handful of deaths; nothing too extreme for most action heroes—that she kills herself in the epilogue. People in the Culture are, by and large, pacified... but that's also why they consider themselves better than everyone else. Certainly there are a lot of outsiders who would agree with you that this is obnoxious and that the Culture is meddlesome (e.g. Horza.)

      As a piece of science fiction apparatus, I am certain Banks would keep the Culture out of harm's way, and for a fairly simple reason—the series was started amidst the late-eighties period of dystopias and cyberpunk. Cast against its literary context, like the somewhat lower-brow Star Trek: The Next Generation (the same vintage), there is ultimately a message in the series that humanity as a whole is good, and that we can hope for a good future; that violence and greed are petty objectives and a waste of life (or technology, or whatever) unless in self-defence. Suggesting that the Culture gets eliminated by an opposing force would simply go against that objective and diminish the message, by suggesting that all of the goodness of humanity cannot withstand pure aggression. The only end-points I can see that wouldn't evoke this would be ascension or merging with another civilization with the same sense of enlightenment.

      ...Basically, it was written specifically to spite your literary taste.

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    17. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Genda · · Score: 1

      Of course this is an ultimate future (relatively speaking), the interesting things between here and there and the turns we'll take as a species along the way should prove incredibly entertaining. So all you word smiths have plenty of grist yet to mill.

      About Iain, dear sir, thank you for you art, your intelligence and your vision. I hope with all my heart that the time remaining you is full to bursting with love, joy and beautiful memories for you and those you love to last a lifetime. You deserve nothing less than high praise and the deepest of admiration. I can imagine doing all kinds of things on a short clock (having just lost my partner of 35 years last September.) In the end we can only deal with life (that is all there is to deal with because the rest deals all by itself) and yours is already very well spent.

    18. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Are you secretly a very grumpy cat, by any chance?

      Of course he's not. As we all know, cats that are on the Internet can't spell worth a damn and have terrible grammar skills.

      But dogs, OTOH -- they blend in perfectly. No one knows if you're a dog on the Internet. Anyone here could be a dog; you, OP, even me. Anyone.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55ArHjeR1c

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    19. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as 'post scarcity'. No matter how much is available, I can think of ways to use more.

      Oddly, you have too little imagination.

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    20. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      Perhaps in a society which had abundance and egalitarianism that wasn't implemented by force, attitudes would be much different. However, think of the people whom you know personally that grew up in an environment of endless bounty and had everything they wanted (or maybe that's you?) Are they enlightened and benevolent people, or are they just rich snobs with a superiority complex? I suppose that if everyone grew up in similar circumstances, such snobbishness and feelings of superiority would be absurdities. That doesn't mean that their social inferiors from other "cultures" can't be the target of their derision however.

      Yes, I definitely think I sympathize more with Horza than with any character I've encountered thus far in the entire series.

      I appreciate the fact that "The Culture" series stands in stark contrast to the far more more numerous novels which envision a dystopian future. It is a very refreshing and hopeful vision.

      I'm enjoying this dialogue. Maybe I've been too harsh on The Culture? I just started "Look to Windward" and I'll try to more fully entertain your perspective and give them the benefit of the doubt.

    21. Re:A forward-looking, positive view by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Taking Star Trek as a foil again: humans are portrayed as having gone through a long period of war in the 22nd century and afterwards attaining an enlightened state which, although not quite post-scarcity, somehow leads to everyone becoming generally pleasant. Money is abolished, suggesting a fundamental shift in how people view property.

      The writers (in any TV or film incarnation, at least) were never quite good enough to actually present characters that conform to the real ramifications of a society that has undergone such a fundamental self re-evaluation. The Federation is contrasted against the Ferengi, for example, but human colonists (the Maquis) are shown as having no problem engaging in petty fights over territory that is certainly not their ancestral home, and Voyager's EMH gets quite possessive about his art (Author, author) in part for reasons that the open culture movement would already consider petty. The topic of how Starfleet officers deal with money on DS9 is completely ignored (indeed, as is how the Federation trades with other nations) although some are shown handling currency and gambling.

      I think Banks looked beyond this and tried to re-evaluate, at a core level, what it would really mean. Culture people aren't generally snobby, or vain, or selfish; they're simply adjusted to an environment where all of the things we take for granted—all of the struggles to survive—are irrelevant. It is, as you say, an absurdity to consider them elitist, except when they are judging themselves against another society, in which case it is hard to fault them for pitying those who are bound by a finite lifespan and finite resources.

      As a biologist, I think Banks has done very well in identifying the consequences of an immortal civilization. Maybe the biggest mystery is what still motivates them to live at all; I suppose the author is also pushing an argument that says self-actualisation is something transcendent of the toils of life. Not that there isn't lots of supporting evidence—present-day rich snobs (and for the record I'm a penniless graduate student) really are good measuring sticks of the same thing. There's a great deal of literature that asserts that many people born into circumstances where the idea of needing to work for survival is alien become frustrated with lives of leisure and eventually grow obsessed with trying to figure out who they are. This, no doubt, is why the seer Fal (in Consider Phlebas) not only goes mountain-climbing without proper safety equipment, but lets herself lie around in pain for a day while waiting for rescue, even though she can shut off the pain at any time.

      Maybe that's why you assumed they were particularly arrogant? Although Horza does call them that a few times.

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  12. Excession by ci4 · · Score: 1

    Meet you by the excession, but what matters, please first consider playing some games, using some state of the art weapons and learning to play properly the hydrogen sonata inversions, looking windward on the surface detail.

    1. Re:Excession by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, you do the business at the wasp factory, walk on glass over the bridge down Espediar Street, cross the canal then head down Crow Road whistling a song of stone.

    2. Re:Excession by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Would any of that Matter?

    3. Re:Excession by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      damn. didn't see you had it in there already. urgh. need more coffeeeeeee!!!!

    4. Re:Excession by Pope · · Score: 1

      Not without some Raw Spirit to go along with!

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  13. Re:His works will (hopefully) grow in stature in t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although i agree that he wrote some good (really) books, (i largely preferred the bridge over the wasp factory, even though the wasp fact. is exellent as well), i doubt that he'll get the same level of fame as Frank Herbert.. even though i liked it at the time, it's just not everybody's cup of tea...
    dammit, this wasn't the way i wanted to get news about Mr Ian Banks...

  14. Re:Banks Beware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More importantly, Ernie Banks is getting up there at age 82.

  15. Thank you... by Assmasher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...for everything you've given us.

    I, like many others, will treasure your work in the decades to come.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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    1. Re:Thank you... by stjobe · · Score: 1

      ...for everything you've given us.

      I, like many others, will treasure your work in the decades to come.

      Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      Indeed.

      Thanks, Iain.

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    2. Re:Thank you... by DwoaC · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Thank you Iain, your books are a joy to me.

  16. FUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

    Firs Pratchett with alzhemer's, now Banks...

    FUCK. :'(

    1. Re:FUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was gonna say the exact same thing...... .....both great authors that have enriched my life.......both will be greatly missed from my bookshelf.

    2. Re:FUCK by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2

      These were similar to my thoughts. I'm old enough to remember waiting for the latest Asimov to come out, and then he passed away. Then we lost Douglas Adams, David Foster Wallace kills himself, Terry Pratchett is headed out, and now Iain Banks. Yes, I know that dying is part of life, but these authors have brought so much joy to my life (and others), made me think in new and different ways, and I imagine what else they could accomplish if they had more time; it's incredibly sad.

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    3. Re:FUCK by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      And James Herbert last month.

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  17. Re:His works will (hopefully) grow in stature in t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's when you read something like this that you _really_ wish there was a Culture-like entity who could step in and Make Things Good.

    Sometimes life throws snake-eyes. Deep sympathies to his family.

  18. Re:His works will (hopefully) grow in stature in t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sad indeed, and personal to me, even though have yet to read any of his books. Have to go to the library this Saturday, I guess...

    At any rate, reading the linked story where he told of the illness brough back memories of Linda, who died of the exact same thing. She had been living with me since Ralph died, and his account of the progression of the disease exactly matched what she went through. Of course, since it was the exact same disease...

    We (our friends and I) had been trying to get her to see a doctor for months, but she didn't until the pain was unbearable. She went in the hospital and they found a tumor on her gall bladder bigger than the gall bladder, unoperable, too late for any treatment at all. She never left alive, staying there four months until she died.

    It also strikes a personal note because he's two years younger than me (Linda was only 50). Adams (my age) having his coronary, and Pratchett only four years older than me having Alzheimer's almost makes me afraid to publish Nobots.

    I really feel sorry for Banks and his loved ones, who will be suffering along with him. Again, I'll be at the library Saturday.

    Sorry I can't log in, guys.

  19. Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry he has cancer and wish him well. This comment is towards the OP - I'm not an uber geek but I know plenty about IT related stuff. It would've been nice to have written a sentence about Iain for those of us who don't know him. Or even a word identifying him as a writer would've suffice, or even a link to his wikipedia entry. Yes, there's google and I already did that.

    Again, my best wishes to Iain Banks.

    1. Re:Summary by The_Other_Kelly · · Score: 1

      Good point. Perhaps a summary of Iain's work and philosophy
      would be of assistance to those who haven't tripped across them, but I am really too
      shocked and depressed by the news to compose one.

      I'm sitting here with a brand new copy of Stonemouth, lying unread on the table,
      freshly delivered, but instead of reading it, I'm just staring out at the snow falling
      and remembering all the other books, where I was when I read them, and the
      people I was once with.

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  20. Banks Matter(s) by Dreyden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sci-fi doesn't need to defend itself any more. It is clear now that it is a genuine artistic and intellectual pursuit. Sci-fi matters and Bank on sci-fi matters.

    Banks matters because he has stablished a strong humanistic viewpoint on his works. The conflict on dogma and respect, the materialistic world-view, and the dignity of the individual. Reading Banks is a pleasure, not only as it is a great writer and storyteller but because it is extremely hard to join hard sci-fi, space opera and sociological speculation. I was envious when I read Banks novels. My society and my world is so short-sighted. People in power prefer to stop progress afraid they will lose a slice of the pie. Banks is a raw spirit. Hard to classify and never afraid to detect and point to the conflict.

    Reading Banks is like driving around in Scotland. Landscape flows and you feel it passing trough, You stop there and have some pure malt whisky, no need to hurry. You know the next day you will flow around the highlands, you can't devour it, you must taste it. You can spend your time smelling the pure landscape, every intricate surface detail for miles.

    1. Re:Banks Matter(s) by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      And here's me wishing I hadn't been given my mod points over the April 1st weekend so I could have used them on a worthwhile post like this. I'll be raising a glass of that single malt this evening, and probably starting to re-read Use of Weapons again just to re-iterate your points about his worldview.

      I'm not a huge reader by any means, but I've still read a boatload of sci-fi, and whilst there are dozens of books that have cooked up convincing, ,evocative, even enviable, realities, Banks' are the only ones where I've genuinely felt like the author is already living in it.

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  21. That SUCKS!! by cfulton · · Score: 1

    I think I have read everything he has written. I hate to think that soon he will be on the list of science fiction authors I love that will never publish again. Vonnegut, Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Adams, Burgess, Clarke, Farmer, Herbert I miss them all. To think that we will never be transported to the "Culture" again makes me sad. Good luck to him. I hope that modern medicine and luck can pull him through. If not I am thankful that he spent his time creating the worlds and adventures that I have spent so many hours enjoying.

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  22. Re:Banks Beware... by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

    Indeed. It doesn't seem to be a good year for artists named Banks so far...

  23. Thank you Iain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many hundreds of hours of my life have been spent immersed in the worlds which you created through your seemingly limitless imagination.

    The Culture presents a polar-opposite view of the familiar "computers become self-aware" Terminator-type stories. The unfathomably intelligent "Ship Minds" that Banks describes can do much as they please. This usually involves helping humans do whatever they want to do, in a world where resources are essentially unlimited.

    Immediately wiping out humanity (Skynet) vs entertaining a mass of humanity and even endowing them with a sense of purpose.

    Banks' Minds, like the man himself, seem to derive a great deal of pleasure from their sense of humor and sense of humanism. When sentient AIs are eventually created, I want to see the principles of a man like Iain Banks guiding their motivations. It could be our best shot at surviving the next few thousand years.

  24. April Fools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please be some sick joke. Without Banks and Pratchett around, and having nearly finished reading everything from both, I am extremely saddened.

  25. Thank you Iain, with love by lolococo · · Score: 2

    You transformed our lives
    with an excession or two,
    for a trillion years

  26. My favorite author of all time... :( by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Dear Mr. Banks:

    Your books have had a profound influence on me ever since I first discovered them so many years ago. Hell, just a few minutes ago I was daydreaming about how desperately we need the intervention of a "Meatfucker" on this planet.

    Modern medicine seems to have failed you at this late hour. I wish there were some way I could share with you all of the "controversial" things I've learned about nutrition and the body's amazing ability to heal itself (not to be confused with treatment) but obviously I'm just another asshole with an opinion.

    If this is indeed as terminal and hopeless as it sounds... perhaps I'll get to meet you in another life someday.

    You, sir, have my eternal gratitude and respect.

    Yours truly,

    Type44Q

    1. Re:My favorite author of all time... :( by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      You seem to be confused. Modern medicine hasn't failed him. The body's amazing ability to heal itself has failed him.
      His life may end before experimental therapies are available but it will be modern medicine that saves the next person.

    2. Re:My favorite author of all time... :( by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      The body's amazing ability to heal itself has failed him.

      Utter horseshit. You speak out of your ass about that which you clearly know nothing about. There's overwelming evidence that we've failed our bodies, inundating them with cancerous-causing synthetic substances, providing them with entirely incorrect foods for primates and simply abusing them in a variety of ways that are completely incompatible with what they were designed/evolved for.

      Shut your impulsive, ignorant mouth and perhaps even educate yourself a little...

    3. Re:My favorite author of all time... :( by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      An additional and slightly more to the point link...

    4. Re:My favorite author of all time... :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how sometimes, when you tell someone else they're an idiot, it's actually you who is playing the idiot? I'm afraid that I must inform you that this is one of those times.

      There's overwelming evidence that we've failed our bodies, inundating them with cancerous-causing synthetic substances,

      Inundating. And synthetic!! Holy shit. Wow man, you've opened my eyes.

      (yes, we do expose ourselves to cancer-causing substances, but you're not really saying anything of meaning here, just using shock words without backing them up with substance.)

      providing them with entirely incorrect foods for primates and simply abusing them in a variety of ways that are completely incompatible with what they were designed/evolved for.

      "Entirely incorrect foods for primates"? Which primates are you talking about? You do know that each primate species has different dietary needs, don't you?

      Despite mentioning evolution, you seem blissfully unaware that, for any species, "correct" foods change over time. Did you know that only some populations of H. sapiens carry a mutation which permits adults to metabolize milk? That this corresponds to "populations which raise cows to produce milk for human consumption"? That means that a food which is entirely "correct" for some living humans is "incorrect" for others. Which ought to tell you how much to trust blanket pronouncements about how modern food is bad for you because it doesn't match archaeological dig evidence from one particular ancient population. (Which is where I'm guessing you picked up the "OUR FOOD IS ALL WRONG!!!1!one" meme from.)

      Another example, this one from before H. Sapiens speciated: Most vertebrates can synthesize Vitamin C for themselves, and thus don't have to eat foods which contain it. However, a last-common-ancestor of H. sap and several other primate species lost this due to a mutation knocking out one of the steps in the synthesis pathway. (It's thought that the LCA population had lots of Vitamin-C foods available, making the mutation not immediately harmful, which permitted it to spread via genetic drift.) All descendants of that branch (including us) are obligate consumers of Vitamin-C.

      So, your own words don't make a lot of sense. Your links do, but they still don't help your case much. The best link you've supplied, the interview of Dr. Epstein at thirdworldtraveler.com, argues that society as a whole is failing at regulating avoidable cancer risks discovered by modern medicine, and that some cancer-detection practices employed by modern medicine should be changed because they are risky in themselves (such as yearly mammography).

      That's hardly a takedown of all of modern medicine. Nor is it support for your specific accusation that Iain (M.) Banks has been personally let down. You haven't the faintest idea what caused his cancer, you're just assuming it must be one of the things you love to rant about.

      (Also, you might want to be aware that when most people see a claim that medicine has let someone down, they are going to think you're criticizing treatment of that person's disease.)

      You, summarized: you've decided you Know The Truth (after having learned just the surface of a deep topic), and therefore anyone who challenges you must be an ignorant fool. My advice, for whatever it's worth: lose the arrogance, learn more, and practice articulating arguments yourself rather than linking to stuff which may not actually support what you're trying to say.

  27. I wish I was as good a wordsmith as he... by afc_wimbledon · · Score: 1

    ...so I could properly thank him for the pleasure and enlightenment I've got from his books over the last 20 years, and try to express the sadness I feel at this news. Sad, sad, sad.

  28. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

    None of that new age frutarian cancer therapy did much good for Steve Jobs.

  29. Thanks for the warning... and here's my response by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I just tried to send an indirect contact to him, with a link to the story, today, about the about-to-begin clinlical trials of the new drug that appears to stop *all* cancers, and suggested his doctor might consider trying to contact the research team.

    I'll probably try another means of contacting him this evening, since I do know enough folks that probably have his personal email.

                mark, sf fan

  30. What does it mean? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    To be extremely three with cancer?

  31. Wonder if there are any experimental treatments by pappaxray · · Score: 1

    So much amazing stuff going on in medicine atm, I wouldn't be surprised if a cure wasn't that far off. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1559800/

  32. Excellent books! by poobahtim · · Score: 1

    I'm very sorry for Mr. Banks and his family. I'm sure this is basically impossible to process properly, so hopefully he's able to find some happiness in the days he has left. I found 'The Algebraist' in a bookshop in London, and after reading the blurb on the back, knew I immediately had to buy it. After reading nearly all of his SF books, I can honestly say he's my favorite SF author. He'll be sorely missed.

  33. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eating vegetables isn't going to cure of you cancer, you asshat.

  34. We all gone eventually by Skiron · · Score: 1

    Obviously the 'wasp factory' is well known and one I first read, but the (usually) unmentioned 'song of stone' is one that still sticks in me mind (read it, great unique story telling and narration!).

    Sad news, but we will all get there in the end.

  35. My favorite quote from Against A Dark Background by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Good afternoon, madam. How may I help you?"

    "Good afternoon. I'd like a FrintArms HandCannon, please."

    "A--? Oh, now, that's an awfully big gun for such a lovely lady. I
    mean, not everybody thinks ladies should carry guns at all, though I
    say they have a right to. But I think... I might... Let's have a look
    down here. I might have just the thing for you. Yes, here we are!
    Look at that, isn't it neat? Now that is a FrintArms product as well,
    but it's what's called a laser -- a light-pistol some people call
    them. Very small, as you see; fits easily into a pocket or bag; won't
    spoil the line of a jacket; and you won't feel you're lugging half a
    tonne of iron around with you. We do a range of matching accessories,
    including -- if I may say so -- a rather saucy garter holster. Wish I
    got to do the fitting for that! Ha -- just my little joke. And
    there's *even*... here we are -- this special presentation pack: gun,
    charged battery, charging unit, beautiful glider-hide shoulder holster
    with adjustable fitting and contrast stitching, and a discount on your
    next battery. Full instructions, of course, and a voucher for free
    lessons at your local gun club or range. Or there's the *special*
    presentation pack; it has all the other one's got but with *two*
    charged batteries and a night-sight, too. Here, feel that -- don't
    worry, it's a dummy battery -- isn't it neat? Feel how light it is?
    Smooth, see? No bits to stick out and catch on your clothes, *and*
    beautifully balanced. And of course the beauty of a laser is, there's
    no recoil. Because it's shooting light, you see? Beautiful gun,
    beautiful gun; my wife has one. Really. That's not a line, she
    really has. Now, I can do you that one -- with a battery and a free
    charge -- for ninety-five; or the presentation pack on a special
    offer for one-nineteen; or this, the special presentation pack, for
    one-forty-nine."

    "I'll take the special."

    "Sound choice, madam, *sound* choice. Now, do--?"

    "And a HandCannon, with the eighty-mill silencer, five GP clips, three
    six-five AP/wire-fl'echettes clips, two bipropellant HE clips, and a
    Special Projectile Pack if you have one -- the one with the embedding
    rounds, not the signalers. I assume the night-sight on this toy is
    compatible?"

    "Aah... yes, And how does madam wish to pay?"

    She slapped her credit card on the counter. "Eventually."

                    -- Iain M. Banks, "Against a Dark Background"

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  36. Best Opener by CodeArtisan · · Score: 1

    "It was the day my grandmother exploded" is still my favourite opening line to a novel.

    1. Re:Best Opener by UnxMully · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, The Crow Road. A very fine murder, mystery, comedy romance thaI haven't read for far too long.

    2. Re:Best Opener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And about the only work of his which has been filmed.
      It was made into a short TV series a few years ago.

  37. Re:He is a good guy to meet and had time for his f by funwithBSD · · Score: 2

    We should send him a get well gift.

    I suggest a hat...

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  38. Re:His works will (hopefully) grow in stature in t by cpm99352 · · Score: 1

    Most here are probably familiar with his SF, but his fiction (like Wasp) is also quite good.

    I found The Steep Approach To Garbadale to be sort of a non-SF version of Use of Weapons, with the inter-familial squabbles.

  39. Argh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we please destroy all fonts where uppercase i and lowercase L appear the same? I first read the headline as saying "Extremely three with cancer."

  40. Ship names...what about the ship names!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a massive fan and like others shamefully thought of my loss first and his loss second...

    I love all the Culture novels for so many of the reasons in the other comments...but to my mind the ship names were a masterpiece - infinite in variety, always relevant and always funny...they must have been the hardest bit of each book?

    "meet you at the Excession"

  41. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's a bit like saying no one should not use "NoScript" because they know someone who had trouble using Facebook with it installed.

    If someone has a localized cancer that is easily treatable completely by surgery, then surgery can make a lot of sense of course. Steve Job's cancer apparently was one rare such situation. In that sense, he did regret not having surgery sooner. But many cancers, by the time they are detected, can't be easily removed surgically. Procedures to remove cancers can also let cancerous cells loose in the bloodstream. Removing one cancer may allow others that cancer suppressed to grow. Even when cancers can be removed 100% surgically, the conditions (diet and lifestyle) that contributed to the cancer growing would likely just support more cancers or other health issues. There are also quite a few cases of a person's immune system rallying and the cancer going into remission.

    Consider:
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/opinion/weil-steve-jobs
    "Steve Jobs had a long run with a rare form of cancer (a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor) that is sometimes curable by early surgery. While I was not his physician and don't have access to the details of his illness or its treatment, assertions that his use of alternative medicine shortened his life strike me as uninformed. No one knows how long he would have survived or what his quality of life would have been had he opted for immediate surgery and used only conventional treatment."

    And:
    http://www.livescience.com/16551-steve-jobs-alternative-medicine-pancreatic-cancer-treatment.html
    " "I don't think waiting nine months for surgery was a bad decision," Dr. Maged Rizk, a gastroenterologist at Cleveland Clinic, told WebMD in an interview last week. "Especially if it is limited disease, especially if it is an islet-cell tumor and the cells are [typical of early cancer], and as long as you don't have symptoms, you can sit on it a bit," Rizk said. (Neuroendocrine tumors are also known as islet-cell tumors.)
    But what about Jobs' use of alternative medicine? Could that have had an impact on his cancer?
    Some experts say that, if anything, use of alternative medicine approaches may have helped Jobs' overall health. Jobs lived 8 years after his diagnosis.
    The average life expectancy for someone with a metastatic neuroendocrine tumor is about two years, according to PCAN. (It remains unclear whether Jobs' cancer was metastatic when he was diagnosed.)
    "I believe that he must have really refocused his heath practices," through changes in diet and exercise, said Dr. Ashwin Mehta, an assistant professor and medical director of integrative medicine at the University of Miami's Sylvester Cancer Center. "To do as well as he did, he must have done a lot of things right," Mehta said."

    So yes, eating better may have helped Steve Jobs live a lot longer, whatever one can say about his decision about surgery. Iain Banks says parts of his cancer are inoperable, so it is a very different situation. He says he is considering chemotherapy; I pointed to potential ways as to how to make it more effective,

    People are always getting pre-cancerous and cancerous cells. They usually don't get "cancer" because their body's immune system kills the cells. So, anything you can do to strengthen your immune system can help you do better. So can anything you do to remove additional toxins and also to remove things that may promote cancer growth (including apparently some substances in dairy).

    The worst thing about making cancer treatment decisions (beyond all the personal trauma) may be that most oncologists get paid by the treatment. So there is no financial incentive for oncologists to suggest anything other that treatments they can supply. This sort of conflict-of-interest between patient and specialist physici

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  42. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    My post on cancer and nutrition got modded down to zero, so obviously there are more people who share your sentiments. I'd suggest they did not read my post very carefully. See also my followup post here:
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3610805&cid=43353459

    See also:
    "Joel Fuhrman MD: Nearly Everyone Gets Cancer "
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3610805&cid=43353459

    To turn things around, from what I read, most mainstream cancer treatments don't cure cancer, with many extending the lifespan at most a few months on average (and painful months at that). When your doctors have told you you have a few months left to live and have inoperable cancer, what do you have to lose by eating better? But some people here would apparently prefer to prevent Iain Banks from making his own informed choice about that, or for others to learn how to prevent a similar situation for themselves using all this computer technology we created. What's the point of all this fancy computer networking stuff if we can't use it collectively to share ways to improve our health?

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  43. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I pointed to potential ways as to how to make it more effective

    No you didn't. You pointed to a bunch of probable quackery. I mean, you advised that Banks should listen to fucking Andrew Weil of all people.

    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html

    So can anything you do to remove additional toxins and also to remove things that may promote cancer growth (including apparently some substances in dairy).

    I've got a hint for you: most of the stuff you read in the popular press about "toxins" is complete bullshit (particularly generic context-free nonspecific "toxins"). As are magical diet plans sold by alt-med promoters to get rid of them.

    From another post of yours below:

    When your doctors have told you you have a few months left to live and have inoperable cancer, what do you have to lose by eating better?

    I like how you assume that Banks must've been eating poorly, and therefore in need of correction. And that he wouldn't be getting advice on how to eat right from his doctors already. And that the best people to listen to for diet advice are quacks.

    (I'd guess that someone who's developed jaundice as a side effect of getting cancer, and who must restore liver function before being able to begin chemo, is probably already getting some very specific dietary advice from real doctors as part of his course of treatment.)

  44. Bitter news indeed by almechist · · Score: 1

    This is bitter news, Banks is my favorite living author. You have to admire the way he's handled it, though, with typical grace and a solid infusion of black humor.

    Here is the link for his special statement about the cancer diagnosis: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/apr/03/iain-banks-cancer-statement-full

    And here is a guestbook where you can leave a personal though quite public message for Iain, this page was apparently set up just for well wishers after the news of the cancer broke: http://friends.banksophilia.com/guestbook/

    The news looks bad indeed. One can only hope for some kind of last-minute spontaneous remission. Barring that miracle, he will be sorely missed.

  45. Re:He is a good guy to meet and had time for his f by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 1

    Now that's the kind of black humour Iain would appreciate. xD

  46. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Show the peer reviewed studies that show statistically that frutarian cancer remedies work. Otherwise this is just snake-oil and quackery. It doesn't matter how many downmarket tabloids and blogs you link to.

    Sure, no one is in any doubt that wholefoods (fruit, veg, meat, fish etc.) are better for your general health than processed food like twinkies and milkshakes. But that's a whole different issue from whether certain foods do anything to combat cancer.

  47. ------- Insulin Potentiation Therapy (IPT) ------ by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    -----[ If the author, or a loved one of his, is reading... please look into this carefully! ]----

    Cancerous cells love sugar. IPT uses that to launch a trojan horse attack with very low dose chemo. For this condition IPT is challenging, but a very promising treatment (please see Google link below):

    http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Insulin+Potentiation+Therapy+(IPT)&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#hl=en&gs_rn=8&gs_ri=tablet-gws&pq=insulin%20potentiation%20therapy%20(ipt)&cp=51&gs_id=1w&xhr=t&q=Insulin+Potentiation+Therapy+(IPT)+gall+bladder

  48. Re:My favorite quote from Against A Dark Backgroun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favourite book is the algebraist. He tells you what the biggest secrets of that universe are on the first page, then he leaves you scrambling to figure it out until the very end.

  49. Changing health paradigms more to nutrition by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 0

    One of the reasons I quoted Iain Banks about "the good ship Arbitrary" is that I half-expected this kind of response from someone who is having their paradigms about health challenged. In this case though, it is not hilarious, it is only sad.

    See, for example:
    http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html
    " Is Stephen Barrett, M.D. a Quack?
    According to the Quackwatch website, Stephen Barrett, M.D. says this about quackery: Dictionaries define quack as "a pretender to medical skill; a charlatan" and "one who talks pretentiously without sound knowledge of the subject discussed."
        Stephen Barrett, M.D. does not have a degree in nutrition science. He has been trained in psychiatry but has not practiced psychiatry for many, many years and has, to the best of my understanding, never practiced nutritional medicine. In my opinion, Stephen Barrett, M.D., when it comes to the field of medicinal use of nutritional supplements, can be easily defined as a Quack since he pretends to "have skills or knowledge in supplements and talks pretentiously" without actually having clinical expertise or sound knowledge of herbal and nutritional medicine.
              A person can't be an expert at a topic if they have not had hands-on experience. Would you feel comfortable having heart surgery by a doctor who has read all the medical books on how to surgically replace a heart valve but has never performed an actual surgical procedure in an operating room? Would you feel comfortable relying on nutritional advice from a retired psychiatrist, Stephen Barrett, M.D. of Quackwatch, even though he has not had hands-on experience using supplements with patients and does not have a degree in nutrition science?
          On a positive note, he often does a good job when it comes to researching credentials of individuals in the nutritional industry, or researching the legitimacy or marketing practices of certain supplement companies. He has uncovered or brought to light several cases of companies that have shady or fraudulent practices. I suggest he stay on this course (which is his forte) rather than giving his uneducated opinion on nutritional medicine or supplement research. I also hope he becomes more balanced in his reviews and makes the effort to also mention positive outcomes regarding supplement research, and not just negative outcomes. "

    On dairy specifically, see:
    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Fatty-dairy-linked-to-early-cancer-death-4355398.php
    "People who are diagnosed with breast cancer and then go on to consume a steady diet of high-fat dairy foods increase their chances of dying years earlier than those who consumed low- to nonfat milk products, according to a new study by Kaiser Permanente researchers. The study, published Thursday in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, is considered the first to look at the differences in high-fat and low-fat dairy intake following a breast cancer diagnosis on long-term survival."

    Am I making an assumption about Iain Banks' diet? Yes. But most people in the industrialized world eat a "standard American diet" or a variant of that (standard Scottish diet?). Most are vitamin D deficient. (Jaundice can be related to sunlight deficiency.) Most are iodine deficient. So, those are pretty safe assumptions. All can contribute to cancer. If they are not correct here, well at least others may still learn something.

    I pointed to a scientific study related to fasting improving the effectiveness of chemotherapy. I pointed to Dr. Joel Fuhrman's work on preventing cancer which is heavily based in science (just read his reference list). Just scroll down on this page:
    http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article24.aspx

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  50. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 0

    As I said originally, once you have detectable cancer, it is iffy to get rid of it, although eating better can help prevent recurrence and possibly help some during treatments (and medically-supervised fasting may help too in some cases). You are ignoring also that I mention things like vitamin D and iodine, which are not "fruits". Also, "vegetables" and "mushrooms" are not fruits. Just to get started on the links between nutrition and cancer, from: http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article24.aspx

    References:

    1. Santarelli RL, Pierre F, Corpet DE. Processed meat and colorectal cancer: a review of epidemiologic and experimental evidence. Nutr Cancer. 2008 ; 60(2): 131?144.
    2. Larsson SC ; Wolk A. Meat consumption and risk of colorectal cancer: a meta-analysis of prospective studies. Int J Cancer. 2006; 119(11):2657-64.
    3. Sinha R, Park Y, Graubard BI, et al. Meat and meat-related compounds and risk of prostate cancer in a large prospective cohort study in the United States. Am J Epidemiol. 2009 Nov 1;170(9):1165-77.
    4. Chao A, Thun JT, Connell CJ, et al. Meat Consumption and Risk of Colorectal Cancer JAMA 2005;293:172-182.
    5. Sesink AL, Termont DS, Kleibeuker JH, Van der Meer R. Red meat and colon cancer: dietary haem-induced colonic cytotoxicity and epithelial hyperproliferation are inhibited by calcium. Carcinogenesis 2001;22(10):1653-1659. Hughes R, Cross AJ, Pollock JR, Bingham S. Dose dependent effect of dietary meat on endogenous colonic N-nitrosation. Carcinogenesis 2001; 22(1):199-202.
    6. Zheng W, Lee S. Well-done Meat Intake, Heterocyclic Amine Exposure, and Cancer Risk. Nutr Cancer. 2009 ; 61(4): 437?446.
    7. Fraser GE. Association between diet and cancer, ischemic heart disease, and all-cause mortality in non-Hispanic white California Seventh-Day Adventists. Am J Clin Nutr 1999;70(3 supp.):532-38S. Sarasua S, Savitz DA. Cured and broiled meat consump- tion in relation to childhood cancer. Cancer Causes Control 1994;5(2):141-48. Favero A, Parpinel M, Franceschi S. Diet and risk of breast cancer: major findings from an Italian case-control study. Biomed Pharmacother 1998;52(3):109-15. Levi F, Pasche C, La Vecchia C, Lucchini F, Franceschi S. Food groups and colorectal cancer risk. Br J Cancer 1999;79(7-8):1283-87.
    Steinmetz KA, Potter JD. Food-group consumption and colon cancer in the Adelaide Case-Control Study: meat, poultry, seafood, dairy foods and eggs. Int J Cancer 1993;53(5):720-27. Levi F, Franceschi S, Negri E, La Vecchia C. Dietary factors and the risk of endometrial cancer. Cancer 1993;71(11):3575-81.
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  51. Re:Well said. Maybe it's not too late though? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Although I don't doubt your sincerity, I can't believe that fasting while you're already weakened from chemotherapy is a very good idea. I'd certainly want better evidence than an article in the Daily Mail.

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  52. Fasting and Chemotherapy for Cancer by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Some top Google results for "fasting cancer chemotherapy": http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fasting-might-boost-chemo
    "Fasting appears to protect normal cells from chemotherapy's toxic effects by rerouting energy from growing and reproducing to internal maintenance. But cancer cells do not undergo this switch to self-repair and so continue to be susceptible to drug-induced damage -- making for what the researchers call a differential stress resistance. Fasting, then, the authors wrote, should enhance the power of chemotherapies without having to resort to "the more typical strategy of increasing the toxicity of drugs.""

    So fasting during chemotherapy works in part precisely because it protects the chemotherapy patient's normal cells from becoming weakened.

    Human trials are starting up:
    "Clinical Trials: Short-Term Fasting Before Chemotherapy in Treating Patients With Cancer"
    http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT01175837

    Research by Valter Longo, of the University of South California (USC) in Los Angeles on mice:
    "Fasting May Boost Chemo By Weakening Cancer Cells"
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/241454.php
    "He and his colleagues found, for example, that repeated cycles of fasting with chemotherapy cured 1 in 5 mice with a highly aggressive form of children's neuroendocrine cancer, and 40% of mice with a less severe form. In either case, no mice survived when treated only with chemo. For their study, in which they used used cancer cells and mice, Longo and colleagues found that for all the cancers they tested, fasting combined with chemotherapy improved survival, slowed tumor growth and/or limited the spread of tumors. They found that fasting without chemotherapy, slowed the growth of breast cancer, melanoma, glioma and human neuroblastoma. In several cases, fasting was as effective as chemotherapy."

    Cancer patients looking into it:
    "48 hr Fasting before Chemo"
    http://csn.cancer.org/node/237518

    Here are two books related to fasting in general.

    One is from a century ago by Upton Sinclair:
    http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/fasting-cure-for-health.html

    One from a decade or two ago by Joel Fuhrman:
    http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/healthy-food-dr-fuhrman-on-fasting.html
    "Therapeutic fasting accelerates the healing process and allows the body to recover from serious disease in a dramatically short period of time. In my practice I have seen fasting eliminate lupus and arthritis, remove chronic skin conditions such as psoriasis and eczema, health the digestive tract in patients with ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease, and quickly eliminate cardiovascular diseases such as high blood pressure and angina. In these cases the recoveries were permanent: fasting enabled longtime disease suffers unchain themselves from their multiple toxic dugs and even eliminate the need for surgery, which was recommended to some of them as their only solution."

    One problem of course in Western Medicine is than an oncologist can't justifying charging, say, $20,000 for telling a potential customer just to stop eating for a bit. Not sure if the source is accurate, but the sentiment probably is:
    http://www.doctoryourself.com/longevity.html
    "One-quarter of what you eat keeps you alive.
    The other three-quarters keeps your doctor alive.
    (Hieroglyph found in an ancient Egyptian tomb.) "

    But ultimately, while fasting can help some people, people need to eat healthier long term. One big problem with people today fasting is that there is so many to

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  53. Joel Fuhrman MD: Nearly Everyone Gets Cancer by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Second link should be instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGrmA8iylds

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  54. Could not have happend to a nicer guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Karma is a bitch, isn't it Mr. Banks?

  55. Karma is a bitch, isn't it, Mr. Banks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have not read his books, they may be good for all I know, but Mr. Banks is a digusting racist creature and all I can think right now is that the universe will be a bit cleaner with his passing. The universe is a harsh and cruel place, but Karma makes it slightly less so. Enjoy your cancer, mr. Banks and I hope you read slashdot and will see this message before it gets censured.