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Increased Carbon Emissions Creating Giant Crabs

An anonymous reader writes "A lot of things in America are supersized: our portions, our drinks and now, apparently, our crabs. New research reveals that crabs can grow much faster and larger when water is saturated with carbon.This means that as greenhouse gas emissions grow, so will these crustaceans."

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  1. CRAAAAAB PEOPLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our steel pincered overlords.

  2. Re:Well, that's it. by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Giant Enemy Crabs are easy. Just flip them over and attack their weak point for massive damage.

  3. Count Me Confused by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've been crabbing in the Chesapeake and New Jersey for the past ~5 years once or twice a year using both pots and hand lines and haven't noticed any steady size increase to match the increase in carbon emissions. Not a lot of variance anyway when I hear the "daily biggest crab" winners at the outfit we go through (7.5" to 8.5"). You would think we would start hearing about 9" or 10" crabs if their size is increasing with carbon emissions. Anecdotal, I know but what I've seen first hand doesn't really line up with this.

    Also, I tried to track down the original article from the Post and it didn't sound like it lined up with this article:

    Under conditions with lower levels of carbon, two mud crabs polished off 20 oysters in six hours. But in the aquariums with higher levels of carbon, the mud crabs seemed confused.

    They went over to the oysters, but they didn’t eat as many — sometimes fewer than half of what other crabs ate under normal conditions. Dodd scratched his head. “Acidification may be confusing the crab,” he said. The situation, he concluded, “is more complicated than you’d be led to believe.”

    Ries said crabs might be getting loopy from all that carbon in their systems, depriving them of oxygen and putting them in a fog.

    They're right about the Chesapeake being in trouble though ... a growing "dead zone" coupled with overfishing. Man, in the past six years fishing trips on that body of water have gotten very sorry. We're now going up to Delaware Bay ... it's a shame, I've donated to Save the Chesapeake but people around here are stubbornly against the EPA or any government regulation. There goes those natural resources I guess.

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    1. Re:Count Me Confused by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So the Chesapeake's dying from overfishing and your answer is to move on up to Delaware Bay. Hope your grandchildren appreciate the fine work you're doing for the planet.

      Do you know what catch and release is? Those sharks and toadfish I'm landing with a rod and reel on Delaware Bay sure the hell aren't ending up on my plate. We might take a striper or two and maybe use some spots for bunkfish (bait) but it's nothing compared to what a commercial boat is doing. Doesn't even register! I don't think I've ever even landed a croaker that was big enough to keep!

      When I charter a boat for a day at $500 (plus tip) and a fisherman takes me out instead of trying to commercially fish, it ends up being good for the bay. Thanks for accusing me of destroying our resources though, I'll add that to the list of why I don't talk to people about possible conservation strategies right next to being called a tree hugging hippie when I mention it at work.

      Next time you're on the bay walk up to any boat captain and ask him/her about overfishing on the bay. HINT: It's not the five guys who are up there one weekend a year to enjoy the sun and land a few fish. In fact, they will probably tell you that a steady stream of that kind of tourism will allow those fisherman income so they stop overfishing to pay for their boats and fuel!

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    2. Re:Count Me Confused by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      His share of the responsibility is likely very low.

      Shutdown the commercial operators and I bet the problem is solved. No one will do that though.

      This is like charging a homeowner 100x as much as a farmer for water, then blaming the homeowner watering his lawn for water shortages. If you actually want to fix the issue you go after the bigger fish.

  4. Bad link in summary by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link points to page two of the article. For those that wonder why it started in the middle here is the proper link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2013/04/07/a0c29f48-972f-11e2-b68f-dc5c4b47e519_story.html

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  5. Title doesn't match story by Prime+Mover · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't just RTFHeadline but read the whole story and nowhere does it mention CO2 influencing the size of crab growth. In fact, quite the opposite, the article says that crabs don't feed as well under higher CO2. The article barely mentions CO2 and is really about conservation efforts of oysters and crabs.

  6. Giant Crabs Attack New York! by davide+marney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another histrionic headline about global warming. Here's the actual report, which documents the change in calcification of a variety of marine animals under increasing levels of CO2 dissolved in the water. Nothing in there at all about "giant crabs". Critters with hard shells -- crabs, lobsters, etc. -- will develop thicker shells as you increase the levels of CO2. News at 11.

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  7. Ok by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're going to need giant tubs of melted butter.

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    1. Re:Ok by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bigger crabs and lobster, and someone thinks this is a bad thing? I am going outside to rev my SUV for a while...

    2. Re:Ok by Muros · · Score: 5, Informative
      From the article:

      For crab lovers, bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. Carbon-absorbing crabs put all their energy into upgrading shells, not flesh — like a mansion without much furniture. So diners might be disappointed years from now when they crack open huge crabs and find little meat.

  8. Re:Well, that's it. by redneckmother · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, just to check - exactly what kind of crabs are we talking about here. ... runs screaming into the distance, scratching madly.

    That was my first impression, too.

    I was reminded of graffiti I saw above a urinal at a drive-in theatre in Amarillo, circa 1972:

    Please don't throw toothpicks in urinal. Texas crabs can pole vault.

  9. Blue crabs grow bigger shells, mud crabs eat less by Walking+The+Walk · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not sure why the link goes to the second page of the article, but on the first page they explain that blue crabs grow their shells faster in water with more carbon. (They note that bigger shells doesn't translate to more meat.) On the second page, they talk about the fact that mud crabs seem confused in water polluted with carbon, and that some mud crabs only ate half as much as in water with less carbon. Relevant quotes from the article:

    Higher levels of carbon in the ocean are causing oysters to grow slower, and their predators — such as blue crabs — to grow faster

    versus

    Under conditions with lower levels of carbon, two mud crabs polished off 20 oysters in six hours. But in the aquariums with higher levels of carbon, the mud crabs seemed confused. They went over to the oysters, but they didn’t eat as many — sometimes fewer than half of what other crabs ate under normal conditions.

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  10. Re:celebrate! by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the TFA - most of the size increase is going into the shells, not the flesh.

    So they may LOOK like better food from the outside - but they're worse.

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  11. If you actually read the article by turkeyfish · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title is a total misreading of the results and yet one more example of a journalist, who is so incapable of understanding science that they get it completely bass akward.

    Crabs are getting any bigger or "super-sized" rather ocean acidification confuses crab foraging behavior. Consequently, in Chesapeake Bay, where there are efforts to conserve oysters and thus clean the bay and increase oyster production, more oysters means more crabs under high carbon regimes.

    The moral of the story is not that global warming will somehow give us giant crabs, but rather that with ocean acidification, oysters and those who cultivate them may be at a disadvantage because it takes spat much longer to grow, even though they obtain a slight advantage in that their crab predators can be become confused with increasing ocean acidification.

    None of this is particular good news, since there is a upper limit as to how much extra carbon dioxide both oysters and crabs can tolerate and still produce their shells. Most don't realize it, but this problem is also true for fish, who must calcify their bones in order to grow and mature. With significant ocean acidification that means less and less fish, which is not good for humans, since we obtain about 50% of our protein from the ocean. The problem with ocean acidification is that unlike carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, where the cycle turns over about once every thirty years, natural pH changes needed to counteract human induced pH lowering only takes place over 100,000's or millions of years. So once we get there, we are more or less permanently there. Not to bright a prospect for mankind.