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Increased Carbon Emissions Creating Giant Crabs

An anonymous reader writes "A lot of things in America are supersized: our portions, our drinks and now, apparently, our crabs. New research reveals that crabs can grow much faster and larger when water is saturated with carbon.This means that as greenhouse gas emissions grow, so will these crustaceans."

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  1. CRAAAAAB PEOPLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our steel pincered overlords.

    1. Re:CRAAAAAB PEOPLE by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dad-a-chum? Dum-a-chum?

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    2. Re:CRAAAAAB PEOPLE by Wookact · · Score: 2

      Damn Lobstrosities are coming back for the rest of my fingers.

  2. Well, that's it. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

    Game over for the human race as we are eaten by the giant global warming crabs.

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    1. Re:Well, that's it. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Wait, just to check - exactly what kind of crabs are we talking about here. ... runs screaming into the distance, scratching madly.

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    2. Re:Well, that's it. by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Giant Enemy Crabs are easy. Just flip them over and attack their weak point for massive damage.

    3. Re:Well, that's it. by redneckmother · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, just to check - exactly what kind of crabs are we talking about here. ... runs screaming into the distance, scratching madly.

      That was my first impression, too.

      I was reminded of graffiti I saw above a urinal at a drive-in theatre in Amarillo, circa 1972:

      Please don't throw toothpicks in urinal. Texas crabs can pole vault.

    4. Re:Well, that's it. by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      I like crab, but this just seems icky.

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  3. Costal Cities by brainboyz · · Score: 2

    City defense teams should be ready with butter...

  4. Giant crabs? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mmmmmm crab cakes.....drooool

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  5. Giant Enemy Crab? by Lisk · · Score: 2

    It's ok, we can attack their weak point for massive damage.

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  6. Count Me Confused by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've been crabbing in the Chesapeake and New Jersey for the past ~5 years once or twice a year using both pots and hand lines and haven't noticed any steady size increase to match the increase in carbon emissions. Not a lot of variance anyway when I hear the "daily biggest crab" winners at the outfit we go through (7.5" to 8.5"). You would think we would start hearing about 9" or 10" crabs if their size is increasing with carbon emissions. Anecdotal, I know but what I've seen first hand doesn't really line up with this.

    Also, I tried to track down the original article from the Post and it didn't sound like it lined up with this article:

    Under conditions with lower levels of carbon, two mud crabs polished off 20 oysters in six hours. But in the aquariums with higher levels of carbon, the mud crabs seemed confused.

    They went over to the oysters, but they didn’t eat as many — sometimes fewer than half of what other crabs ate under normal conditions. Dodd scratched his head. “Acidification may be confusing the crab,” he said. The situation, he concluded, “is more complicated than you’d be led to believe.”

    Ries said crabs might be getting loopy from all that carbon in their systems, depriving them of oxygen and putting them in a fog.

    They're right about the Chesapeake being in trouble though ... a growing "dead zone" coupled with overfishing. Man, in the past six years fishing trips on that body of water have gotten very sorry. We're now going up to Delaware Bay ... it's a shame, I've donated to Save the Chesapeake but people around here are stubbornly against the EPA or any government regulation. There goes those natural resources I guess.

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    1. Re:Count Me Confused by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 2

      So the Chesapeake's dying from overfishing and your answer is to move on up to Delaware Bay. Hope your grandchildren appreciate the fine work you're doing for the planet.

    2. Re:Count Me Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Him alone? Of course not. Combined with the rest of the commercial and non commercial crabbers... ummm, yes? That's the fun thing about a public commons, since no one individual causes the problem, it's okay and rational for everyone to keep using up more!

    3. Re:Count Me Confused by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So the Chesapeake's dying from overfishing and your answer is to move on up to Delaware Bay. Hope your grandchildren appreciate the fine work you're doing for the planet.

      Do you know what catch and release is? Those sharks and toadfish I'm landing with a rod and reel on Delaware Bay sure the hell aren't ending up on my plate. We might take a striper or two and maybe use some spots for bunkfish (bait) but it's nothing compared to what a commercial boat is doing. Doesn't even register! I don't think I've ever even landed a croaker that was big enough to keep!

      When I charter a boat for a day at $500 (plus tip) and a fisherman takes me out instead of trying to commercially fish, it ends up being good for the bay. Thanks for accusing me of destroying our resources though, I'll add that to the list of why I don't talk to people about possible conservation strategies right next to being called a tree hugging hippie when I mention it at work.

      Next time you're on the bay walk up to any boat captain and ask him/her about overfishing on the bay. HINT: It's not the five guys who are up there one weekend a year to enjoy the sun and land a few fish. In fact, they will probably tell you that a steady stream of that kind of tourism will allow those fisherman income so they stop overfishing to pay for their boats and fuel!

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    4. Re:Count Me Confused by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      His share of the responsibility is likely very low.

      Shutdown the commercial operators and I bet the problem is solved. No one will do that though.

      This is like charging a homeowner 100x as much as a farmer for water, then blaming the homeowner watering his lawn for water shortages. If you actually want to fix the issue you go after the bigger fish.

    5. Re:Count Me Confused by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you actually want to fix the issue you go after the bigger fish.

      They tried that with the groupers and found out that all the small ones were male, and then they turn into females when they get larger. It caused the population to crash for a while.

      Seafood is wildlife. It's only due to the size of the oceans that the species haven't been wiped out completely. If people had such a voracious appetite for wild venison, we'd have empty woods by now. I try to limit my seafood consumption to once a month or less, for that reason. I do take some fish oil for my heart, and I know that's bad for a few species, but I'm also testifying on a hemp legalization bill in a few days, in an attempt to fix that as well.

      Yes, we can grow Omega-3's with weeds, but our government imprisons people who do.

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  7. Bad link in summary by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link points to page two of the article. For those that wonder why it started in the middle here is the proper link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2013/04/07/a0c29f48-972f-11e2-b68f-dc5c4b47e519_story.html

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  8. Next Study.... by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok so they grow faster, nice. They grow bigger? Awesome.

    How about flavor? Are they more tasty when they grow bigger and faster? Why is nobody asking the important questions?

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    1. Re:Next Study.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok so they grow faster, nice. They grow bigger? Awesome.

      How about flavor? Are they more tasty when they grow bigger and faster? Why is nobody asking the important questions?

      Because they're answered in TFA.

      The increase in carbon allows them to grow faster simply because they have more carbon to pump into bigger/harder shells (i.e. they molt more often).

      The tastey/meaty bits aren't growing faster, leaving big strong shells filled with very little meat.

    2. Re:Next Study.... by Convector · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, this is AMERICA. Where we care about portion sizes, not flavor.

  9. Title doesn't match story by Prime+Mover · · Score: 5, Informative

    I didn't just RTFHeadline but read the whole story and nowhere does it mention CO2 influencing the size of crab growth. In fact, quite the opposite, the article says that crabs don't feed as well under higher CO2. The article barely mentions CO2 and is really about conservation efforts of oysters and crabs.

  10. Giant Crabs Attack New York! by davide+marney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another histrionic headline about global warming. Here's the actual report, which documents the change in calcification of a variety of marine animals under increasing levels of CO2 dissolved in the water. Nothing in there at all about "giant crabs". Critters with hard shells -- crabs, lobsters, etc. -- will develop thicker shells as you increase the levels of CO2. News at 11.

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  11. Ok by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're going to need giant tubs of melted butter.

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    1. Re:Ok by kilodelta · · Score: 2

      And genetically engineered giant lemons too!

    2. Re:Ok by Golddess · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as Cave Johnson isn't heading their development.

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    3. Re:Ok by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bigger crabs and lobster, and someone thinks this is a bad thing? I am going outside to rev my SUV for a while...

    4. Re:Ok by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bigger crabs and lobster, and someone thinks this is a bad thing? I am going outside to rev my SUV for a while...

      My thoughts exactly!!

      My first thought on reading this was "Hey, there is an upside to this whole global warming thing". Why is it that anytime green house gasses, etc are discussed, that everything is gloom and doom?

      Everything has balance, let's look at the good things for instance.

      A softshelled crab that would fill a plate all by itself?

      YUM!!

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    5. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're looking at it backward. By using incendiary lemons, you cook the crab as you spice it. This saves crucial time in the endless war against the giant crabs.

    6. Re:Ok by Muros · · Score: 5, Informative
      From the article:

      For crab lovers, bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. Carbon-absorbing crabs put all their energy into upgrading shells, not flesh — like a mansion without much furniture. So diners might be disappointed years from now when they crack open huge crabs and find little meat.

    7. Re:Ok by Feyshtey · · Score: 2

      In other words, you just see it as an opportunity to rationalize the beliefs you already have, and to justify the activities/behaviors you plan on doing anyway. Big crabs = I was right to do what I did!

      Is that not precisely what this report did? They work from the preconception that emmisions are the source of the bulk of CO2 rise, which increase carbon in the oceans, which means "that as greenhouse gas emissions grow, so will these crustaceans".

      It's no more acceptable to allow someone to reach a conclusion that meets their preconcptions when you happen to agree with those preconceptions as when you do not.

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  12. Re:celebrate! by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 2

    Depends, do these super-sized Alaska King Crab legs taste better or worse. Very important question. Also will my crab claw cracker need to be upgraded Ie MORE POWER

  13. Blue crabs grow bigger shells, mud crabs eat less by Walking+The+Walk · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not sure why the link goes to the second page of the article, but on the first page they explain that blue crabs grow their shells faster in water with more carbon. (They note that bigger shells doesn't translate to more meat.) On the second page, they talk about the fact that mud crabs seem confused in water polluted with carbon, and that some mud crabs only ate half as much as in water with less carbon. Relevant quotes from the article:

    Higher levels of carbon in the ocean are causing oysters to grow slower, and their predators — such as blue crabs — to grow faster

    versus

    Under conditions with lower levels of carbon, two mud crabs polished off 20 oysters in six hours. But in the aquariums with higher levels of carbon, the mud crabs seemed confused. They went over to the oysters, but they didn’t eat as many — sometimes fewer than half of what other crabs ate under normal conditions.

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  14. Bigger != More Meat by a_big_favor · · Score: 2

    For crab lovers, bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. Carbon-absorbing crabs put all their energy into upgrading shells, not flesh — like a mansion without much furniture. So diners might be disappointed years from now when they crack open huge crabs and find little meat.

  15. Swear I've seen this before... by dragon-file · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oh now I remember. This happened in a Dr. Who episode.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridlock_%28Doctor_Who%29

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    1. Re:Swear I've seen this before... by dragon-file · · Score: 2

      It happened in The Macra Terror episode long before that.

      Yeah, but "Gridlock" specifically had the Macra feeding off the smog from all the cars. Its a far better example.

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  16. Re:celebrate! by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the TFA - most of the size increase is going into the shells, not the flesh.

    So they may LOOK like better food from the outside - but they're worse.

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  17. jaws of life^WDEATH! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    In teh futar, diners will wear powerarmor instead of bibs. "Dangerous Catch" will look like the lost scenes from Starship Troopers.

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  18. If you actually read the article by turkeyfish · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title is a total misreading of the results and yet one more example of a journalist, who is so incapable of understanding science that they get it completely bass akward.

    Crabs are getting any bigger or "super-sized" rather ocean acidification confuses crab foraging behavior. Consequently, in Chesapeake Bay, where there are efforts to conserve oysters and thus clean the bay and increase oyster production, more oysters means more crabs under high carbon regimes.

    The moral of the story is not that global warming will somehow give us giant crabs, but rather that with ocean acidification, oysters and those who cultivate them may be at a disadvantage because it takes spat much longer to grow, even though they obtain a slight advantage in that their crab predators can be become confused with increasing ocean acidification.

    None of this is particular good news, since there is a upper limit as to how much extra carbon dioxide both oysters and crabs can tolerate and still produce their shells. Most don't realize it, but this problem is also true for fish, who must calcify their bones in order to grow and mature. With significant ocean acidification that means less and less fish, which is not good for humans, since we obtain about 50% of our protein from the ocean. The problem with ocean acidification is that unlike carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, where the cycle turns over about once every thirty years, natural pH changes needed to counteract human induced pH lowering only takes place over 100,000's or millions of years. So once we get there, we are more or less permanently there. Not to bright a prospect for mankind.

  19. Re:Carbon dioxide? by mjr167 · · Score: 3, Informative

    CO2 suffocates humans in sufficient dosage. Plants, however, love it and crabs use the extra carbon to make their shells better.

    So yay for global warming!

  20. Re:Carbon dioxide? by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Informative

    usually too much radiation just makes things sick, lethargic and dead.

    CO2 doesn't suffocate stuff, lack of oxygen, and CO will suffocate. Anyway, in the water, CO2 turns into carbonic acid, which becomes carbonates and bicarbonates, if I remember correctly.

    O2 binds to hemoglobin stronger than CO2, so with enough O2, CO2 isn't a problem, though it may cause discomfort since your body detects it's presence, rather than the lack of oxygen. CO however, binds to heme more strongly than O2, so it is an issue.

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  21. Re:celebrate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well fuck. I guess we should do something about global warming after all.

  22. Re:Oblig ... by rwa2 · · Score: 2

    Crap! We're already TOO LATE!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=coconut+crab

    Bonus: they drop coconuts on your head before they jump down and eat.

  23. STD? by Das+Auge · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was thinking of something completely different...

  24. Re:celebrate! by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but he'd have to stand there flexing muscles and glowing for two episodes to build up the power.

  25. Re:Carbon dioxide? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but the stupid FA just said the crabs were fed 'carbon'. So we really don't know what happened.

    In the spirit of serendipity, I'm going to suggest that this was discovered when a confused research assistant dumped the charcoal briquets in the pail instead of putting them in the grill. Two days later and giant crabs have taken over the subdivision.

    Could be a reality show next year. Better plot line than some I've seen.

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  26. Giant Enemy Crabs... by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

    So, it must not have been a mythical creature after all... this means that there may really have been some of these things in ancient Japanese history! Now I want to take a vacation and find one of these things, to flip it over onto its back and attack its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE.