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Boston Officials Did Not Shut Down Cell Network After Marathon Bombing

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from Motherboard about the immediate aftermath of yesterday's bomb attack in Boston, which attempts to explain the (unsurprisingly) poor accessibility of the cellular network after the blasts: "Gut instinct suggests that the network must've been overloaded with people trying to find loved ones. At first, the Associated Press said it was a concerted effort to prevent any remote detonators from being used, citing a law enforcement official. After some disputed that report, the AP reversed its report, citing officials from Verizon and Sprint who said they'd never had a request to shut down the network, and who blamed slowdowns on heavy load. (Motherboard's Derek Mead was able to send text messages to both his sister and her boyfriend, who were very near the finish line, shortly after the bombing, which suggests that networks were never totally shut down. Still, shutting down cell phone networks to prevent remote detonation wouldn't be without precedent: It is a common tactic in Pakistan, where bombings happen with regularity.)"

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  1. That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by headhot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why the network operators didn't get requests to shutdown the network, that doesn't mean it wasn't jammed. The military has jammers it uses where they suspect IEDs to prevent triggering via the cell network. There is no reason why the BPD, DHS or other agency would not have jammers for such an occasion. I would be surprised if they did not with all the money that was thrown around after 9/11

    1. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by usuallylost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am leaning toward the 50,000 people in the area all trying to call home at once.

    2. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was able to text back and forth with my niece, who was at the race. No idea what network she is on, though the interwebs say it is an AT&T number. I don't think things were being actively jammed.

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    3. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by tedgyz · · Score: 2

      Right. We had similar problems in DC during the Rally for Sanity.

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    4. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is even more likely that Verizon and AT&T's networks are not as good as they claim and people just couldn't get a signal to make a call on either network.

    5. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > There is no reason why the BPD, DHS or other agency would not have jammers for such an occasion.

      Really? And why should they? The entire idea that they should have them is based on specific technical details of specific attacks, and requires both that they guess right that its the right time to use them and that the bomb maker didn't anticipate their use.

      Additionally, with all the people involved, they generally want people to get the "Im safe" messages out, because it decreases overall mayhem and people trying to contact them for information.

      > I would be surprised if they did not with all the money that was thrown around after 9/11

      Well I wouldn't either, but, thats a different issue.

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    6. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      ...or they aren't engineered for the once-in-two-decade major catastrophe. Technology has limits, and you have to draw a line somewhere so that people can actually AFFORD to use the service.

    7. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      AT&T networks crumble when there is only 10,000 people in a small area like that. WE have a small motorcycle rally here in July and the 8000 to 10,000 people will utterly crush the nearest 3 cell sites for the entire weekend for AT&T. Verizon does better, but data is completely useless.

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    8. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SMS is one of the lower level cell phone protocols, uses the least bit of bandwidth and is almost always on, even when higher level voice and data fail. Ideally, modern phones could be set up to pass SMS traffic from phone to phone, when a tower signal is unavailable. This would allow messages to get in and out of disaster areas like New Orleans during Katrina.

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    9. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by sycodon · · Score: 2

      That's pretty much the definition of "jammed".

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    10. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by sycodon · · Score: 0

      Hell, AT&T is crushed when I try to download pr0n over DSL.

      Steaming pile of crap is what AT&T is.

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    11. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Ideally, modern phones could be set up to pass SMS traffic from phone to phone, when a tower signal is unavailable.

      Every phone an autonomous, anonymous P2P remailer for SMS, perhaps even e-mail and voice, and without the capability to do dragnet surveillance on the traffic from the outside? What are you thinking, my friend?! ;-)

    12. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Presumably, any jamming worth a crap would need to block SMS, which is why I mentioned it.

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    13. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I've had problems with cellphone activity at concerts in Pittsburgh where they have signs saying "Text yada yada yada to blah blah blah!", let alone when the show is running late and people are calling friends/family not present.

    14. Re: That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      It could be set to turn on when it of range of cell tower signal.

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    15. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when I worked in telecom, specing out a CO for site we would generally have enough T1's (24 full-duplex lines) to provide for 20% of the population as that would cover normal traffic at any one point in time. It was always known that during emergencies it would become overwhelmed and low priority calls (you and me) would fail while there are settings to allow high priority calls (emergency responders, police, government, etc) to drop a line in use by someone lower priority and go through.

      My bet, is the majority of people starting phoning home to let loved ones know they were all right - the networks aren't designed for that level of instantaneous traffic.

    16. Re: That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      I could be accused of stating the obvious. It could be set to turn on all the time and we'd be done with carriers.

    17. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Last July 4th, I was at the Esplanade, which is just a few blocks from where this bombing happened. Even several blocks away (at my hotel), AT&T's cell network performance was clogged to the point where cellular data service was completely nonfunctional, with DNS requests timing out every single time. It didn't start working until I got to a high-numbered floor and my phone found another tower to use.

      So at least one of Boston's cell networks isn't even capable of handling the normal, planned events that happen every year. It is no surprise that it would collapse to the point of being unable to even make calls under a couple of orders of magnitude more load than that. Cell networks are nowhere near sufficient to hold up in emergency situations even when all the hardware is working. And this is just a relatively small-scale emergency, localized to a single area of a single city. In an area-wide emergency like a hurricane or earthquake, it is safe to assume that even SMS won't get out reliably.

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    18. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by crakbone · · Score: 0

      I'm no expert but from what I understand terrorists like to do a double tap kind of damage where you have initial trauma than follow that up with more trauma to anyone coming in to assist the fallen. Putting a jammer up after an initial bombing attack could stop a secondary detonation and actually help track who built the devices.

    19. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Why the network operators didn't get requests to shutdown the network, that doesn't mean it wasn't jammed. The military has jammers it uses where they suspect IEDs to prevent triggering via the cell network. There is no reason why the BPD, DHS or other agency would not have jammers for such an occasion. I would be surprised if they did not with all the money that was thrown around after 9/11

      So it's impossible to create a bomb that will detonate on loss of signal?

      The jammers aren't for preventing explosions. It's for preventing civilian communication. In case of insurrection.

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    20. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      ...or they aren't engineered for the once-in-two-decade major catastrophe

      I've personally had it twice. 9/11 and the earthquake in Mineral, VA. Just saying :)

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    21. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3

      "... and you have to draw a line somewhere so that people can actually AFFORD to use the service."

      That's easy: give CEOs realistic paychecks.

    22. Re: That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Max_W · · Score: 1

      Position of the phone on the planet is defined by 2 numbers. Here is, for example, Boston:

      http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.360506&lon=-71.058878&zoom=18&layers=M

      These are 42.36050 and -71.058878. So, somehow my smartphone has to know the last known position of a phone, where I want to send a text message. In order to select the shortest route.

    23. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by schnell · · Score: 1

      And why should they?

      Precisely. Public safety authorities in the US know they would cause themselves much more harm than good by shutting down the cell network, even if they could. They themselves use it (many have Wireless Priority Service to get priority access to the next available voice channel on the local tower). People calling 911 need it. EMTs and ambulances often use patient monitoring gear that sends telemetry data over the cellular network. You're screwing up a lot more things than you're fixing if you want to shut down the network.

      It's a different story in some other countries where bombing is much more frequent than in the US (and where the government also often owns or has direct control over the telecoms)... network shutdown is actively used there in some cases. But anytime you hear something about the cops or authorities shutting down cell service in the US, don't believe it.

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    24. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure big corporations and stores were running jammers in the area too. I think I heard something about that on the slashes of dots lol.

    25. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      To, um, make sure she wasn't dead?

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    26. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      What terrorists do this? Not whoever was responsible for this mess in Boston the other day. It may be that some terrorists do this, but I don't think the evidence is strong enough that we should jam all cell signals in a major metropolitan area that had an above average amount of people in the area.

    27. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      So it's impossible to create a bomb that will detonate on loss of signal?

      That's possible, but you'll probable kill yourself with it.

    28. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by munitor · · Score: 1

      I was in the pre and post-Katrina aftermath for quite a bit and can assure you that cell networks will instantly fail for voice calls in a widespread emergency. SMS, OTOH, will get through surprisingly often and usually with reasonable speed.

    29. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by crakbone · · Score: 1

      9/11 is a perfect example of a double attack. The second plane hit was timed to get news coverage and kill emergency service personnel responding to the scene. Another good one is the Bath school explosion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster He blew up his truck specifically to kill first responders and kill wounded. In Vietnam snipers would wound a person then kill anyone that came close. In Iraq and Afganastan I hear some cell phone IED are set up as a double tap with one going off and then next timed to kill people responding to the disasters. I hear road bombs are set the same with one to the side of another so if a truck goes around an explosion area it drives into another one. It makes sense to a terrorist to attack the people helping victims. Terrorism is about fear and attacking people helping, or victims spreads more fear.

    30. Re:That doesn't mean it wasnt jammed by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I concede the point of follow up damage to you, but I don't think 9/11 is a great example. It would have been near impossible to hijack two separate planes and crash them into buildings simultaneously. There was bound to be a delay between impacts, planned or not. The planes also hit different buildings. I would imagine the terrorists would have hit the same building if they were trying to attack the first responders.

  2. not all that effective by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would think that shutting down cell towers wouldn't be particularly effective, given that the same mechanism that would allow one to trigger a bomb with a cell phone is also present in other RF devices such as baby monitors and walkie-talkies.

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    1. Re:not all that effective by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      It would not be hard at all to scramble everything. Just fly a Prowler and you can pick and choose what frequencies we jam. It is what we do in Iraq with convoys most of the time.

    2. Re:not all that effective by dunezone · · Score: 2

      But baby monitors and walkie-talkies can pick up interference and other communication which can cause the trigger to go prematurely. With a cell phone its waiting to receive a phone call so if no one knows the number its less likely to go off prematurely.

    3. Re:not all that effective by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about this yesterday... I'd be terrified that someone would call the wrong number or something. Or that it would give me some vibrating notification. Or that it would reboot and vibrate on wake. Nope, the life of a bomber is not for me!

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    4. Re:not all that effective by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      I know they make jammers for these, I've worked on one, but that isn't what they are discussing here...

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    5. Re:not all that effective by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      I know it isn't as elegant, but I would think that given a choice between accidental detonation and loading the mechanism altogether with cell phones, the former would be most desirable.

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    6. Re:not all that effective by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Losing* phone autocorrect is an idiot.

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    7. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Telemarketing to cellphone numbers is now an anti-terrorism tool.

    8. Re:not all that effective by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Yes, it's the phone. Not the person not paying attention~

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    9. Re:not all that effective by egamma · · Score: 2

      I would think that shutting down cell towers wouldn't be particularly effective, given that the same mechanism that would allow one to trigger a bomb with a cell phone is also present in other RF devices such as baby monitors and walkie-talkies.

      They could also set the bomb to trigger if it loses reception.

    10. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, "not hard at all!"*

      *- well, not hard, as long as you have a multimillion dollar UAV on standby over the event, loaded with the exact right equipment, and flawless intelligence allowing you to know exactly what frequencies need to be jammed based on the great evidence that "two bombs went off within 12 seconds of each other." (Apparently that's enough to let law enforcement know exactly what frequency to jam?)

      Oh yeah, and you also have to make sure that the Prowler is close to the hypothetical other bombs, since its range is not unlimited. And if there are multiple bombs, you have to have multiple prowlers, or hope they're all close to each other, and within range of your single prowler.

      Oh yeah, and you also need to hope that there's not a simple timer mechanism on the bombs, instead of a sophisticated RF trigger.

      But other than that - SURE, not hard at all!

      (You keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means.)

    11. Re:not all that effective by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      yes, generally the trigger is on a relay that's switched on and off by the phones speaker. The "lost signal" beep would like set it off without any extra effort at all. Then you have the fact that its just plain easier to use a cheap watch with an alarm on it.

      The fact of the matter is, no matter what you think of, there is no way to stop this sort of thing. They could have had concrete trash cans that direct blasts up, but then they just don't put them in the bins. Ban black powder, but then they just use stuff you can find at a hardware store... put concrete barricades up but that just directs the blast back at the crowd. Ban everything that could possibly be used and then they'll take a dumptruck full of dirt and plow into a crowd at 60mph. People who want to do something like this will always find a force multiplier. This is a psychology issue, you need to treat the mind. You can't stop an avalanche once it's already started.

    12. Re:not all that effective by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Dangerous for the bombmaker and/or transporter, though.

      That's when dead zones are REAL dead zones!

    13. Re:not all that effective by sycodon · · Score: 1

      ... baby monitors and walkie-talkies can pick up interference and other communication...

      Even Aliens!

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    14. Re:not all that effective by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Just hope that Rachel from card services doesn't pick an inappropriate time to call and help you lower your interest rates...

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    15. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not unless you specifically put hardware on the bomb-side that required a very specific set of frequencies that would never randomly happen in a million year period or higher. (pretty easy to do)

      Mobile phones and the like are probably used because they are just simpler.
      But given these people likely already had some sense of electronics knowledge, making a sound-activator wouldn't be that hard, so I have no idea.

      Jammers from all phone signal emitters would be far more effective.

      That's brilliant, we could build a device that interprets radio signals and only detonates when it detects a signal formatted like a phone call addressed to a specific number. Then we just call that number and BOOM... wait. That's exactly what a cell phone bomb is, only without all that messy mucking about with arduinos.

    16. Re:not all that effective by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Totally different threat profile.

      A convoy is moving and is a very small target in a very large area. It is especially exposed, and an especially juicy target in a war zone. You can expect attacks fairly frequently, they have to find you/be ready for you.

      This event is predefined, the attacker knows where and when the targets will be there. The attacker already has time to prepare and makes himself known on his time table.

      This changes everything. In your convoy for example, there is no benefit to rigging bombs to blow when their signal is jammed or even to arm in response to signals from a jammer.... as the prowler is not the convoy and need not be all that close to them, arming or blowing in response to the jammer means wasted bombs or blowing up innocent bystanders, will almost never hit a convoy.

      Here we have a totally different scenario. A secondary device triggered by a loss of signal could have huge impact. The devices are already at their pre-determined target. You don't jam, he can detonate, you do jam, they might detonate, point is....you have no way of ever knowing what he planned until its all over.

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    17. Re:not all that effective by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Stop it, no, but they could have done a lot to mitigate it. The reasons people use trash cans for bombing are twofold:

      • Throwing something away isn't usually seen as suspicious behavior. It can therefore be done at any time.
      • Objects in a trash can are concealed by the trash can. People might be suspicious of a bag left behind, but not if they can't see it.

      There's a much better chance that the devices would have been discovered had the bomber(s) tried to leave something behind in a crowded public place. And there are presumably no cars allowed on the route, which means that trash cans and recycling bins are pretty much the only sorts of places where the bomber(s) could have hidden bombs usefully.

      This incident could have been substantially mitigated by removing or locking all trash cans on the street where spectators would be and placing the in-use trash cans fifty feet up the side streets, and a reasonable distance from where people would line up to get food from any food vendors. People might grumble about having to walk to throw things away, but had the trash cans been farther back, those bombs would have gone off almost harmlessly, with at most one or two people killed or injured, instead of killing three people and injuring almost two hundred.

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    18. Re:not all that effective by havana9 · · Score: 1

      You could also use selective calls or transmit a modulated signal to trigger the system. Or you can do exactly the reverse. I remember in the 80s a burglar alarm connected to a CB radio that sent every minute or so a coded signal with the meaning 'ALL OK'. The remote post had an alarm that was triggered either by the different message 'TRESPASSERS DETECTED' or after three minutes without having received any message. The control system was made without using a CPU but with TTL logic. If instead a lam and a hord you'll trigger a fuse you'll get an 80s remote controlled bomb.

    19. Re:not all that effective by chill · · Score: 1

      You're over-thinking things. All the trigger needs is an electrical pulse. Phones are frequently used because you can SET AN ALARM an it'll go off -- cell reception or not.

      That is the most common usage that I've read about when attacking events that can be easily timed and located.

      In the United States, the average finishing time for marathons in 2011 was 4:37 (10:34/mile pace), according to MarathonGuide.com. What time did the race start? Set the alarm for 4 1/2 hours later.

      Cell reception at the bottom of a metal trash bin at an event guaranteed to have many more people with phones than the carriers can handle is iffy at best.

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    20. Re:not all that effective by Applekid · · Score: 1

      This incident could have been substantially mitigated by removing or locking all trash cans on the street where spectators would be and placing the in-use trash cans fifty feet up the side streets, and a reasonable distance from where people would line up to get food from any food vendors. People might grumble about having to walk to throw things away, but had the trash cans been farther back, those bombs would have gone off almost harmlessly, with at most one or two people killed or injured, instead of killing three people and injuring almost two hundred.

      People wouldn't grumble about it, they'll just throw it on the street. Now instead of a suspicious bag hiding in a garbage can you have a suspicious bag hiding under any of a number piles of paper plates and napkin wads. Maybe it gets kicked around, too.

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    21. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "removing or locking all trash cans on the street where spectators would be and placing the in-use trash cans fifty feet up the side streets, and a reasonable distance from where people would line up to get food from any food vendors. People might grumble about having to walk to throw things away, "
      ok, some people may have grumbled and walked to the trash can.

      Others would have tossed their trash on the ground.

      Really.

      But that means the Terrorists Win, and Our Country starts looking more like Their Filthy Countries.

    22. Re:not all that effective by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Most people don't litter, and the ones who do litter are likely to do so whether the can is twenty feet away or seventy.

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    23. Re:not all that effective by evilviper · · Score: 1

      But baby monitors and walkie-talkies can pick up interference and other communication which can cause the trigger to go prematurely

      Ummm, no!

      FRS/GMRS radios are sold in practically every retail store, for $10 each, and have a range of over a mile even with obstructions (and can cover miles if you get high ground, and dozens of miles if you've got line of sight). They commonly have 24 RF channels, and 100+ "privacy codes". That gives over 3,000 unique combinations, and is therefore unlikely to be accidentally triggered.,, I'd say a wrong number or telemarketer call is MUCH more likely to happen.

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    24. Re:not all that effective by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Sure, let's fund a Prowler for every major city for incidents that occur how often? Shouldn't cost much.

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    25. Re:not all that effective by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Meh...can't get Google at work. All I can do is Google the term and link the result.

      Deal with the extra click.

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    26. Re:not all that effective by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      We should require background checks for those. And create a registry. If it save 1 child's life, it is worth it!

    27. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that shutting down cell towers wouldn't be particularly effective, given that the same mechanism that would allow one to trigger a bomb with a cell phone is also present in other RF devices such as baby monitors and walkie-talkies.

      So, you're saying that we should be looking out for people walking around with Fisher Price walkie talkies?

      Got it!

    28. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or using the damn preview.

    29. Re:not all that effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...can't get Google at work. All I can do is Google the term...

      What is this i dont even

    30. Re:not all that effective by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Ya, I don't really understand the desire to have mobile phones as detonators. I mentioned at work that sometimes timers are used, even analog ones like clocks, and some expressed surprise thinking that this would be "hard". Why do they think jury rigging a mobile phone as a detonator is easy compared to a relay in an alarm clock, or a radio controlled solenoid available at any hobby shop? I wonder if some of this is just the Hollywood effect where the mobile phone detonator is a dramatic device.

    31. Re:not all that effective by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Why trigger it manually? Set a timer to go off in one hour if you know there will be a crowd. A manual trigger would only be useful in cases where you were waiting for some trucks to drive by.

    32. Re:not all that effective by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The race start time was staggered. A lot of people wonder about why the timing for the "end" of the race when the race was essentially in the middle, and the people near the finish line at that time were not "stragglers" as some media reported.

  3. Could be cell phone by ackthpt · · Score: 0

    Could be any other means to detonate, but doesn't smack of precision. I have the feeling this is a loner, not a coordinated team who did this. So many unexploded packs found.

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    1. Re:Could be cell phone by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      My first thought was that they were simple countdown timers, as there were a couple seconds between explosions. If they were triggered remotely, they would have gone off simultaneously of they were triggered by the same operation,or longer than a few seconds between explosions if they were triggered separately (I guess the bomber could have had 2 phones and dialed the bombs as the same time, but that seems overly complicated). The amount of time between explosions lends credence to the idea that they were simple timers: set one then set the other a couple hours before, drop them off, then get away.

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    2. Re:Could be cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So many unexploded packs found.

      Nope.

      On Tuesday morning officials said that the only explosive devices found were the ones that exploded at the marathon — clarifying conflicting statements that were given Monday in the chaotic aftermath of the blast, when some law-enforcement officials had said that other devices were found. “There were no unexploded devices found,” Gov. Deval Patrick said Tuesday morning.

    3. Re:Could be cell phone by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1
      According to the update this morning on CNN, there were no unexploded devices located.

      Authorities including bomb experts searched an apartment in Revere, Massachusetts, and removed items, after two deadly bombs struck the Boston Marathon. But officials cautioned that there are currently no clear suspects -- and the motive remains unknown. Officials also announced a twist in the probe: Suspicious packages that were detonated out of precaution were not explosive devices after all.

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/boston-marathon-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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    4. Re:Could be cell phone by geekoid · · Score: 2

      By 'so many' you mean 'none'? HINT: don't pay attention to the news to get any good information about the bombs for at least 24 hours. There reporting anything they hear, regardless of source.

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    5. Re:Could be cell phone by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Depends. There are reason to delay explosions.

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    6. Re:Could be cell phone by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Depends. There are reason to delay explosions.

      That is true, but if you are going to delay explosions, you don't delay them for only a couple seconds. If you want to get people running away from the explosion, you wait about 30 seconds to a minute. If you want first responders, you delay anywhere from a few minutes up to 15-20 minutes. A couple seconds delay will not give you any significant increase in body count or damage over simultaneous explosions.

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    7. Re:Could be cell phone by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Officials also announced a twist in the probe: Suspicious packages that were detonated out of precaution were not explosive devices after all.

      That's not a twist, it's just a thing. A twist is if it turns out to have been Richard Simmons.

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    8. Re:Could be cell phone by rvw · · Score: 2

      Depends. There are reason to delay explosions.

      That is true, but if you are going to delay explosions, you don't delay them for only a couple seconds.

      If you want the simultaneous, then it doesn't matter if they are a couple of seconds apart. For effectiveness it has no consequenses. And maybe this is easier to handle, e.g. if you have to use two remote detonators. If bomb A doesn't go off, you can decide not to use bomb B, for whatever reason.

    9. Re:Could be cell phone by rvw · · Score: 1

      Officials also announced a twist in the probe: Suspicious packages that were detonated out of precaution were not explosive devices after all.

      That's not a twist, it's just a thing. A twist is if it turns out to have been Richard Simmons.

      That's not a twist. It would have been if it had a link to a Rick Roll.

    10. Re:Could be cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on the detonator, the delay could've come from simple chemical differences, or even if you have identical SIM card on two phones doesn't quarantee simultanous operation, also group texting doesn't quarantee simultanous operation. So basically with such a short delay, you can't make a conclusion timers were used.

      I'm sure they'll tell us at some point. There's nothing to be gained hiding that info, but could help to find the person/people behind this.

    11. Re:Could be cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a twist. It would have been if it had a link to a Rick Roll.

      M. Night Shyamalan, is that you?

    12. Re:Could be cell phone by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      My first thought was that they were simple countdown timers, as there were a couple seconds between explosions. If they were triggered remotely, they would have gone off simultaneously of they were triggered by the same operation,or longer than a few seconds between explosions if they were triggered separately (I guess the bomber could have had 2 phones and dialed the bombs as the same time, but that seems overly complicated). The amount of time between explosions lends credence to the idea that they were simple timers: set one then set the other a couple hours before, drop them off, then get away.

      Information which has been coming out sounds like these were pipe-bombs filled with shrapnel, such as nails and small metal shot. Not quite the sort used in the middle east, which favor a larger blast. I have the feeling this is a domestic bomber with a Timothy McVeigh bent on things. Probably nothing more sophisticated than a simple timer or a lit fuse.

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    13. Re:Could be cell phone by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If they were triggered remotely, they would have gone off simultaneously of they were triggered by the same operation,or longer than a few seconds between explosions if they were triggered separately (I guess the bomber could have had 2 phones and dialed the bombs as the same time, but that seems overly complicated).

      Speed dial the first one, then the second. It isn't particularly hard to call two phone numbers twenty seconds apart. I'm pretty sure most people could manually key in a phone number in that much time.

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    14. Re:Could be cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a twist!

    15. Re:Could be cell phone by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I think panic induced is higher in a few seconds staggered explosions. Human mind matches patterns very well. If you have 2 bombs, exploding them together gives you panic for a few seconds, then most people around the area feel assured there is no more to come. If you stagger, this assurance is broken. Resulting fear lasts much more than with a simultaneous explosion.

      Of course, works even better with 3 bombs, the more the merrier.

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  4. Overloaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    After the Earthquake in Virginia in 2011, you couldn't make a cell call to save your life, since several million people picked up their phones within a few minutes of each other. Text messages went through fine within a half a minute or so. Something similar happens whenever an unexpected event of note happens anywhere.

    1. Re:Overloaded by KernelMuncher · · Score: 1

      Same thing in NYC when the earthquake hit - cell service was immediately overwhelmed. Even texts stopped working after a few minutes. Just too many people using their cells in a relatively small area.

    2. Re:Overloaded by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      And I don't think there is an engineering solution for it. It's a race condition... there will always be a bigger event that needs more capacity and you end up with a huge, costly network no one can afford to use and, even if everyone could afford it, would be have massive capacity.

      I think you wall off some capacity for emergency users (911, police, first responders) and do your best with the rest.

    3. Re:Overloaded by rvw · · Score: 2

      And I don't think there is an engineering solution for it. It's a race condition... there will always be a bigger event that needs more capacity and you end up with a huge, costly network no one can afford to use and, even if everyone could afford it, would be have massive capacity.

      I think you wall off some capacity for emergency users (911, police, first responders) and do your best with the rest.

      One solution would be to allow text/sms only. The phone keeps trying till it has delivered the message, it's small in size. You could even send all users a broadcast sms to let them know that.

    4. Re:Overloaded by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Because that wouldn't overwhelm the control channels with even more traffic while not utilizing the voice/data channels at all. Great plan.

    5. Re:Overloaded by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So now we know for a fact overloaded cell tower cause earthquakes~

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    6. Re:Overloaded by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Yes, a special emergency protocol would be good, that reserves most of the band with for SMS and emergency services. And of course for people who pay extra.

    7. Re:Overloaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I don't think there is an engineering solution for it. It's a race condition... there will always be a bigger event that needs more capacity and you end up with a huge, costly network no one can afford to use and, even if everyone could afford it, would be have massive capacity.

      I think you wall off some capacity for emergency users (911, police, first responders) and do your best with the rest.

      That would actually be exately the sort of thing to throw some of that huge U.S. defense budget at.

      It's hugely expensive and only really useful for it's stated purpose in a state of emergency, but it would also have lots of collateral benefits for civilians during peace time. By pulling from tax revenue you get to sidestep issues like the free rider problem, and get the cost distributed over a much larger population than volintary subscribers. As a government project you could also use eminent domain to solve rite of way issues.

    8. Re:Overloaded by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      One solution would be to allow text/sms only. The phone keeps trying till it has delivered the message, it's small in size. You could even send all users a broadcast sms to let them know that.

      You do realize that control channel overload is what causes the cell network to go down these days, right?

      When the control channel is overloaded, a phone can't make a voice of data call (requires using the control channel to select the appropriate voice or data channel and timeslot).

      Allowing text/sms only would work, but it also means that the rest of the cell tower is underutilized. Better would be to reprioritize things so re-establishing a data channel, voice channel, or handoffs have higher priorities than texts to get better utilization. Texts can always be delayed and the phone retries anyways, while being able to establish a voice and data connection can come in handy.

      And yes, networks often have 911 prioritization as well - establishing an emergency call can use reserved bandwidth so even the fullest of cell towers can handle an emergency despite being slammed with traffic.

      It's why the iPhone basically killed AT&T's network - the Infineon chipset it used was very power efficient and was aggressive - the instant no data was being sent, it tore down the data connection. Doing this often enough consumed control channel traffic until AT&T's network was overwhelmed with administrative data. It lead to one of the oddest conclusions available - AT&T had the fastest data network around. IF you could establish the connection. The voice and data channels were underutilized, while the control channels were overloaded so you couldn't make a voice or data connection, do handoffs (leading to dropped calls), and texts got delayed.

      A poorly-written Android IM app on T-mo in the early days did the same as well.

      Though, you'd think prior to a handoff, when the phone is scanning for a new tower, you could have the phone use the old tower's control channel to communicate with the new tower to get new voice/data channel allocations for handoff while the phone tries to re-establish the control channel connection. Add some in-band signalling just in case and you could offload some control channel traffic.

    9. Re:Overloaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, a special emergency protocol would be good, that reserves most of the band with for SMS and emergency services. And of course for people who pay extra.

      Great idea. I would call it Cell Broadcast, it sounds catchy :)

    10. Re:Overloaded by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      If the network can't handle the 200 megabytes of text generated by a million people sending texts simultaneously, then we've got much bigger preparedness problems that anyone has even considered.

    11. Re:Overloaded by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      And that's why we need to complete the move to LTE :P. Under LTE everything is data.

    12. Re:Overloaded by jafac · · Score: 1

      tell you what. . .

      Been through TWO medium-sized California Earthquakes. Both of them knocked out cell service for >6hrs. One interrupted a call-in-progress.

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    13. Re:Overloaded by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      I meant a protocol that uses more bandwidth for normal SMS, not just broadcasts. That way everyone can communicate by SMS, because phone calls and data don't block all the bandwidth.

  5. still allow outbound? by callmebill · · Score: 1

    Boston slashdotter, here (as if that mattered). Anyway, wouldn't it be as effective to just disallow inbound calls/sms/etc? Allow people to make outgoing calls to call friends and family and all, but don't allow phones to receive calls.

    1. Re:still allow outbound? by rvw · · Score: 1

      Boston slashdotter, here (as if that mattered). Anyway, wouldn't it be as effective to just disallow inbound calls/sms/etc? Allow people to make outgoing calls to call friends and family and all, but don't allow phones to receive calls.

      Only allow sms, no calls. Notify everybody by a broadcast sms.

    2. Re:still allow outbound? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Another Bostonian here (well Somervillan)

      what are you trying to accomplish? If its just to ease congestion and allow more people to get messages out, it might help. I don't know enough about the phone network to say for sure that it would.

      On the other hand, if you want to deny the bomb maker a tool, it wont be effective at all because it requires that you appropriately guess what he is planning in real time. If there are no more devices, then it matters not...if there are, they could almost as easily be made to work as watchdogs that go off after a heartbeat signal is jammed.

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  6. Text Messages by areusche · · Score: 1

    All it would take is a text message instead of a phone call to detonate something.

    1. Re:Text Messages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That technique seemed to work for my last relationship.

  7. Something's weird here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something's really weird going on with this whole mess. Given redundancies and failover capacity, I'm having a hard time believing that simple load caused failures that blocked cellular transmissions, especially as the failure occurred pretty much right after the blast, and not enough awareness would have been out there to cause the level of traffic needed to bring down the cell system soon enough to have had any effects in blocking cellular-detonated explosives.

    I'm not a conspiracy nut, but this whole bombing bothers the hell out of me along with some of the other oddities involved.

    1. Re:Something's weird here by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      I think you are underestimating how many people were at the marathon, and what percentage of them were using their cellphones immediately after the explosion (near 100).

    2. Re:Something's weird here by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      Also maybe you are overestimating the cell phone network in Boston. I get 0 bars in my apartment in the South End and can only get edge for some reason in the two blocks around me, if I am outside. I have never been in a city with a worse cell phone network.

    3. Re:Something's weird here by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who had a loved one in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and couldn't reach her on her mobile until the afternoon, I'm not surprised that a cell network became overloaded. It's happened in other times too.

      Considering this wreaked of terrorism, especially to those on the scene, things really blew up. Marathoners calling loved ones and even just REGULAR citizens in Boston (perhaps far away from the site) getting / making calls in a panic, etc.

      Cell towers aren't magic, they can only support so much. And since the phone companies aren't using their profits to expand their existing networks then a large metro getting hit with an event is going to overload it... or at least a general region. I mean, in that immediate area alone you had: people living / working in the buildings, LOTS of runners, LOTS of spectators, etc.

      Perhaps the feds DID put up a jammer. Perhaps we don't know the whole story. I'm just saying, that an overloaded network sounds perfectly plausible.

    4. Re:Something's weird here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bomb went off on live television. Anybody watching the race, and (at least local) coverage at the finish line would have seen an explosion. It was also covered by many national & international news outlets, so they would have cut to "breaking news" very quickly.

      I think "simple load" is perfectly reasonable to explain it. When the Bruins won the Stanley Cup and had their little parade through Boston on the duck boats, I was in the city that day, and couldn't make calls or send texts on AT&T, and no bomb went off, prompting people to make phone calls to friends, family, etc. When you cram thousands and thousands of people into a small area, and they all try to text, call, update facebook, etc. at the same time, it's going to congest that network a lot.

      Load from that many people all trying to make a call can ABSOLUTELY overwhelm the service.

      But this whole bombing bothers the hell out of me along with some of the other oddities involved.

      Oddities, such as?

    5. Re:Something's weird here by rvw · · Score: 2

      Something's really weird going on with this whole mess. Given redundancies and failover capacity, I'm having a hard time believing that simple load caused failures that blocked cellular transmissions, especially as the failure occurred pretty much right after the blast, and not enough awareness would have been out there to cause the level of traffic needed to bring down the cell system soon enough to have had any effects in blocking cellular-detonated explosives.

      Given the fact that a simple new year can bring down a network (in the sense that most people cannot make calls for half an hour), this doesn't surprise me.

    6. Re:Something's weird here by afidel · · Score: 1

      I had T-Mobile last time I was in Boston and it worked just fine, it even worked in the underground other than when we went under the river.

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    7. Re:Something's weird here by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is not just cellular networks. Before mobile phones became popular, the normal land lines would overload in emergencies as well. News reports would advise people to limit calls and their duration into an area. The only thing cellular adds to the mix is the last mile of the connection, plus a lot of extra switching because all these "local" calls aren't necessarily switched locally.

    8. Re:Something's weird here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering this wreaked of terrorism

      s/wreaked/reeked/g

  8. Legalize Bombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Where are the statements from the NRA calling for the legalization of bombs in accordance with the 2nd Amendment? After all, bombs don't kill people, people kill people.

    1. Re:Legalize Bombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, you are just as bad as they are.

    2. Re:Legalize Bombs by kullnd · · Score: 1

      Why would they need to? Bombs are illegal, they are going to likely stay that way - But that didn't stop the criminal did it, apparently the person who did this didn't care that a law prevented him/her from having a bomb. I doubt that a sign on the street saying "bomb free zone" would have helped either, just saying.

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    3. Re:Legalize Bombs by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Laws cannot usefully restrict criminals. However, laws can usefully prevent law-abiding people from aiding them. For example, although background checks do not absolutely prevent criminals from getting guns, they can make it harder, riskier, and more expensive. Laws requiring people to report all legal sales of gunpowder, fertilizer, etc. could allow detection of unusual sudden purchases by individuals, triggering further scrutiny, which if done semi-covertly, would significantly reduce the risk of criminal use of those substances to build bombs. (Of course, if done non-covertly, it would just drive the bad guys underground.) And so on.

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    4. Re:Legalize Bombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's the same argument from the NRA regarding the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't stipulate "small" arms, just arms, which includes bombs. In fact, this bombing shows that it's more difficult to kill a lot of people with a bomb than with an AR-15. So, by the numbers, we should legalize bombs and outlaw the AR-15. Of course, the NRA doesn't care about numbers and I'm not sure what they care about. It's clearly not the 2nd Amendment as-written.

    5. Re:Legalize Bombs by kullnd · · Score: 1

      Because it's the same argument from the NRA regarding the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't stipulate "small" arms, just arms, which includes bombs. In fact, this bombing shows that it's more difficult to kill a lot of people with a bomb than with an AR-15. So, by the numbers, we should legalize bombs and outlaw the AR-15. Of course, the NRA doesn't care about numbers and I'm not sure what they care about. It's clearly not the 2nd Amendment as-written.

      Really? Harder to kill lots of people with a bomb? Your a special kind of stupid aren't ya?. Oklahoma City Bombing

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    6. Re:Legalize Bombs by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Because it's the same argument from the NRA regarding the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't stipulate "small" arms, just arms, which includes bombs. In fact, this bombing shows that it's more difficult to kill a lot of people with a bomb than with an AR-15. So, by the numbers, we should legalize bombs and outlaw the AR-15. Of course, the NRA doesn't care about numbers and I'm not sure what they care about. It's clearly not the 2nd Amendment as-written.

      No, it isn't the same argument. It isn't even an argument at all. How about you save your criticism of the NRA's opinions on bombs until they actually have an opinion on some tangential concept completely removed from their mission statement. Also, please hold your breath while waiting.

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    7. Re:Legalize Bombs by Jeng · · Score: 1

      You are using an example that proves his point.

      Steps to take to do a shooting spree, buy gun, buy ammo, shoot.

      Steps to take do do a bombing, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, buy components as inconspicuously as possible, put components together and hope you don't blow your stupid ass up, set the bomb in such as a way that nobody knows it is there and then try to figure out how to blow it up without blowing yourself up with it.

      Oh, or were you thinking you can just go to Joe Bobs Explosives and Bait Emporium and pick up a bomb there ready made and ready to go?

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    8. Re:Legalize Bombs by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      Nothing like an asshole who uses tragedy to score political points.

      Go fuck yourself with a cactus, AC.

    9. Re:Legalize Bombs by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Laws also depend upon the citizens to abide by them. There are places and cultures where there are plenty of laws but lots of disregard for the laws. A set of laws is only a framework but it cant stand by itself without the citizens supporting it. Consider rampant tax fraud in some countries, like Greece, or the common accepted use of bribes in some third world countries. There are places in comparison with fewer overall laws but with a very law abiding citizenry who don't feel the need to keep passing laws over minutiae.

    10. Re:Legalize Bombs by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Steps to take to do a shooting spree, buy gun, buy ammo, shoot.

      You forgot a step, could be considered the last step : shoot yourself, or get shot by security personnel.

      So you could do without the self-preservation oriented steps in your bomb example.

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  9. That is the best use of text messaging by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Informative

    I almost never use text messaging, but it is extremely useful when cell networks are overloaded as it uses almost no bandwidth and hence messages almost always get through. Unfortunately not many people think of it that way and tend to keep trying to make a voice call when the network is rejecting their attempts.

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    1. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its worth noting that they are basically email and are subject to email relay backups. But you're right that at least they queue and therefore will likely get through.

    2. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Another advantage of text messaging is that (most) phones will keep trying to send it every few minutes/seconds until it goes through, whereas voice requires you to keep trying manually. This, combined with the lower bandwidth requirements and less battery usage, are why they recommend sending texts if you're lost in the woods with little or no reception... it's much more likely to get through and much less likely to kill the battery. I use text messaging a lot at work just because signal is so poor inside the building I can't keep a voice call connected for a more than a couple minutes.

    3. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

      SMS actually take zero bandwidth on GSM networks, they use the ping packets that the phone must exchange with the tower every so often to send the message, it would otherwise be padded with zero's. That's why the message length on SMS is so short, it's limited by the difference between the header needed for a ping and the size of a timeslice. Some phones will opt to use the data network if available to ensure faster delivery but SMS was really a brilliant hack to take advantage of the nature of the network.

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    4. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by TigerNut · · Score: 1

      But they're not. SMS messages are sent over the control channel on the cellular network (which is why they use much less of the system infrastructure than a voice call, which requires assignment of a voice/data channel, etc.) and they can stay fully within the cellular phone system infrastructure. No email relays involved.

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    5. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Would be good if the phone companies didn't charge you to send AND receive them. So I have it disabled.

    6. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Would be good if the phone companies didn't charge you to send AND receive them. So I have it disabled.

      And that is my biggest complaint about text messaging. It is disgustingly profitable for the phone companies and they treat it like it is some great burden to them. I generally did not use it on my phone - and I would generally call people back if they sent me a text just to emphasize how much I despise text messaging - but recently my mobile phone provider released a new plan that gives me unlimited text and unlimited minutes for the same price I was paying before for just airtime. Now I have text and use it when I need to communicate with people who insist on text.

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    7. Re:That is the best use of text messaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LTE does away with this. I don't know how they plan to handle this sort of scenario in future.

  10. Local news begs to differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about the telephone effect: local news never once said the cellphone network had been shut down. Instead, they repeatedly asked viewers not to use their cellphones to make calls or send texts, on the off-chance that such communications would set off any remaining bombs. By inference, that would mean the network was up and running.

    I actually found it distressing that the media reports subtly added more drama the further it traveled from Boston. I was pleased that our local news was so even-keeled. The event was so shocking and saddening enough.

  11. SMS text worked better than voice, because.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voice and SMS texts go over different channels.

    When I needed to reach friends after 7/7 (London) I used SMS by preference, because the voice channels were saturated with "Are you OK?" calls.

    The only time I ever see SMS traffic slow down is New Years, when everyone tries to SMS everyone else at midnight. Although that's becoming rarer thanks to WhatsApp, Facebook, twitter..

  12. it should be common knowledge by nimbius · · Score: 2

    that during an immediate crisis or disaster, cellular networks will become quickly overloaded. network providers acknowledge this and tout things like COW and COLT (Cellular on Wheels and Cellular on Light Truck) as a solution. what isnt clearly stated is that these systems may be hundreds of miles from the immediate area, or may rely on existing trunks and uplinks that are themselves completely saturated, if they havent been destroyed by $crisis || $disaster. cellular providers also have a terrible habit of booking these emergency systems for sporting events to augment their second rate cellular networks.

    For geeks who understand how cellular works its limitations are pretty obvious, so im seriously wondering if amateur radio played any part in assisting during this crisis?
    ham was designed from its inception to help in a civil emergency, and it would be hard to imagine an event like the boston marathon without at least one 2 meter or 6 meter general class or extra present.

    does boston use ASTRO? or EDACS radio networks for emergency services? if so how did these networks perform?

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    1. Re:it should be common knowledge by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if hams set up, but traffic cleared up pretty quickly, all things considered.

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    2. Re:it should be common knowledge by cdwiegand · · Score: 3, Informative

      They weren't activated, and the ones that were in use during the race (for coordination) were all evacuated and followed those orders (http://cqnewsroom.blogspot.com/2013/04/boston-marathon-update-all-hams.html)

      You're more likely to find hams helping in inter-departmental capacity, where large-scale (this was so not large scale) events require coordination between multiple police and fire departments, hospitals, etc. This was a local situation where Boston Police (and to a point DHS) were involved, but no other agencies - they can usually handle talking on their own radios to themselves.

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    3. Re:it should be common knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=1225

      Boston city services use the MSP system, which are Motorola Type II SmartZone.

    4. Re:it should be common knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boston doesn't use a trunked radio system but rather relies on a bunch of conventional channels. Primarily FM, with a few P25.

  13. Dumb thing to focus on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whether cell towers were working or not is a stupid thing to focus on, here. How about the coming absolute surrender of all remaining liberties? Since 9-11, I've repeatedly pointed out that all we need is one more big terrorist event to shake the population enough that we will give up everything. Complaits about the TSA, second amendment, privacy, government and corporate wiretapping without justification. All of it. It is over. We lose.by attacking us, we shell up. We take away our own freedomFOR them. It is time to shutter yro.slashdot, because it no longer matters.

    1. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. I came for the liberties discussion, and got a bunch of SMS idiots. Where is the false flag conspiracy? Surely we can get some real discussion out of that. :)

    2. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether cell towers were working or not is a stupid thing to focus on, here. How about the coming absolute surrender of all remaining liberties? Since 9-11, I've repeatedly pointed out that all we need is one more big terrorist event to shake the population enough that we will give up everything. Complaits about the TSA, second amendment, privacy, government and corporate wiretapping without justification. All of it. It is over. We lose.by attacking us, we shell up. We take away our own freedomFOR them. It is time to shutter yro.slashdot, because it no longer matters.

      Alternatively, another big terrorist event could show that all those liberties sacrificed did nothing to make us safer. Mybe this will be the wakeup call, that the best defence against terrorism isn't a police state but to address the underlying social issues that make blowing people up seem like a more viable way to affect change than voting.

    3. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by isorox · · Score: 1

      Whether cell towers were working or not is a stupid thing to focus on, here. How about the coming absolute surrender of all remaining liberties? Since 9-11, I've repeatedly pointed out that all we need is one more big terrorist event to shake the population enough that we will give up everything. Complaits about the TSA, second amendment, privacy, government and corporate wiretapping without justification. All of it. It is over. We lose.by attacking us, we shell up. We take away our own freedomFOR them. It is time to shutter yro.slashdot, because it no longer matters.

      Has it actually been confirmed that this was actually a criminal event? There's too much speculation in the "news". I tuned out after one channel were saying "so they set off this bomb here, then people ran in this direction (drawing on screen like a football game), then the second bomb went off here, trapping them"

      There was 5 seconds between the blasts, and a video showing exactly what happened.

      As usual the news are bullshitting away to keep people tuned in.

    4. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also came for the false flag comments, and have ended up sorely disappointed. Please Slashdot, don't make me go to Infowars for my fix. :(

    5. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure detonating bomb in public is a criminal event. Why would you think otherwise?

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    6. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What proof is there that there was a bomb at all? More likely, some senator's kid was losing and needed an excuse to stop the race, so the DHS set up this fake attack.

    7. Re:Dumb thing to focus on. by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      Well, while I don't think the BPD is smart enough for even a second to determine if the devices they found were in fact bombs. The reports of doctors pulling ball bearings out of people in the hospitals certainly makes it sound like that was in fact a bomb, unless you're alleging a conspiracy so deep that even the doctors are in on it, in which case how do you know you yourself aren't in on it?

  14. Then upgrade the cell network by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... considering that's we hear about this with EVERY major catastrophe, would this be the sort of national infrastructure concern that we would want to mandate that the cell companies install extra capacity? You know, in case of emergencies. Are we at the point that we can consider cellular connection, or generically wireless connection, to be a basic utility and not a cutting edge hip new ordeal that only the rich can afford?

    And hey, since they've got ALL THAT BANDWIDTH, just lying about in case shit hits the fan, it'd be great to sell it on the cheap. You know, that idea that society and the fundamental utilities is here to foster growth rather than wringing out the last coin from the customer's pockets.

    1. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hey, since they've got ALL THAT BANDWIDTH, just lying about in case shit hits the fan, it'd be great to sell it on the cheap.

      Providing "all that bandwidth" costs "all that money" to install "all those additional towers" and "all that additional infrastructure."

      Forcing providers to add "all that bandwidth" would also mean that "all those providers" would increase "all those monthly charges" to offset the legislatively-mandated expenditure to build out and maintain the infrastructure to support it. Which means that "all those customers" will pay "all that extra."

    2. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Bigby · · Score: 1

      Not worth it. What good, from an emergency response perspective, are you going to get because a loved one can contact you now instead of an hour from now? Maybe a little good, but not enough to justify raising everyone's cell bill by 50%.

    3. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      "would this be the sort of national infrastructure concern that we would want to mandate that the cell companies install extra capacity? You know, in case of emergencies."

      In Canada a telco exec told me that the government mandates Bell to provide priority service to emergency responders' home landlines. It'd be interesting if telcos could register emergency responder's cells in a similar way. May or may not be technicallly possible with current technology, given all the phones are trying to reach the towers at the same time, whether or not they'd be able to talk.

      But then, for all I know, maybe they already do. Any emergency responders care to comment?

    4. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's already capability built into the network to ensure that first responders, etc. can have their calls get through during emergencies such as this. It's called Wireless Priority Service. There's actually a great website that talks all about it by the government agency that administers it.
      http://wps.ncs.gov/program_info.html#service
      In an emergency you dial a special number in front of the phone number you are calling, and your calls get priority on the network.

    5. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Utilities, scarcity, and the rates they charge. Remember Enron? Remember how they were given control of power generation? The idea was that with the magic of the free market and competition that prices would come down. It turns out that if there's a fundamental need for a resource, like a utility, the people that control said resource strive to keep it scarce so they can justify exorbitant prices for it. Now, that might all be different if we have a large host of people competing to eat each other's lunch. But thank god we've got a lot of wireless carriers to choose from, so THAT'LL never happen.

      If bandwidth is scarce, they'll charge more. If bandwidth is plentiful, if we have plenty of supply, they'll charge less. And it's not that some exec will see that they have excess supply and start a sale, no. You'll have some accountant see that they could take all the customers in district X and still be functional, even if they sold at a lower price than normal. All they have to do is undercut the competition. The only difference to them is extra paying customers at the end of the day. They have the infrastructure already in place.

      But no, this is not without side effect. There's an initial big expense as the phone companies upgrade their infrastructure. I'm saying the cost of installing extra bandwidth is negligible compared to the benefit of getting the wireless carriers to compete with each other and having a utility that actually functions when we need it most.

    6. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by SillyHamster · · Score: 1

      So... considering that's we hear about this with EVERY major catastrophe, would this be the sort of national infrastructure concern that we would want to mandate that the cell companies install extra capacity? You know, in case of emergencies. Are we at the point that we can consider cellular connection, or generically wireless connection, to be a basic utility and not a cutting edge hip new ordeal that only the rich can afford?

      How technically feasible is that?

      Scaling up landlines is (somewhat) straightforward - you install the copper wire, you add corresponding capability to upstream processing. Scaling up cell coverage/capability is not because cells are mobile. You might have an international event that causes a few streets to have 1000x the cell phone density as normal. How much are you paying for the extra cell phone capacity?

      Whether you feel cell phone technologies are a utility is irrelevant - the scaling issues are the limiting factor.

    7. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the cost of covering all populated areas in the US with that kind of capacity would exceed the cost of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam combined?

    8. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by geekoid · · Score: 1

      This happens to POTS as well.

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    9. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emergency responders in the US have (or should have) access to dedicated portions of spectrum in the the VHF-Lo, VHF-Hi, UHF-T, 700mhz, and 800mhz bands.
      That should be enough.

      Not every cop, paramedic, and firefighter needs to be on a cell phone, and the cell network shouldn't have to revolve around them.

    10. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      The point is to be able to reach them on and *off* duty.

    11. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a question of scarcity, it's a question of SCALE, you dumbfuck.

      When tens of thousands of people all try to get on the network at the same time in a catastrophic event, it's like trying to direct the flow of a firehose through a drinking straw - it simply doesn't all fit. The carriers were not sitting on tons of extra bandwidth and laughing as they printed up banners saying, "Want to make a phone call? We have bandwidth that we'll gouge you for!" Their infrastructure was overloaded, because a single cell tower can only support a certain number of simultaneous connections, and there are only so many places you can put a cell tower before it becomes more effective to simply place ethernet jacks every 5 paces, everywhere.

      If you mandated that they build out infrastructure to be able to serve that potential peak load of tens of thousands of simultaneous connections everywhere, or even just in every city, you would drive them to bankruptcy. Every increase in bandwidth comes with a significant capital expenditure. And there is a fundamentally limited amount of bandwidth available at a given frequency - it *is* a scarce resource.

    12. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Yeah, dude, that's kinda my point. They have a drinking straw when they need a fire hose.

      Under my proposal, during NON-emergencies, there would be an abundance of bandwidth. You're bitching that they'd shovel the cost onto the consumer, while I'm countering that with extra supply, they'd compete more fiercely for customers. Do try to keep up.

      Also, I was under the impression that it was the trunk lines and central stations which were overloaded, not so much the wireless spectrum. Given that you think more towers equals more bandwidth, you're probably not the best person to listen to on the subject. (More towers equal more coverage. If you want more bandwidth, it's the guts that go into the tower and the infrastructure that feeds into the tower).

    13. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe we should be more productive with our money instead of going war with anyone that disagrees with the US/UK world view?

    14. Re:Then upgrade the cell network by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      The âfire hoseâ(TM) needs to have orders of magnitude more capacity than is needed on average. For this marathon, there were maybe 100,000 people packed into an area that normally sees a few thousand. Letâ(TM)s call it a hundred times more than usual. That means carriers would need to install 100 cell towers in an area currently served by one tower. So the cost to the telco multiplies by 100. And you propose they somehow recover their cost by lowering their prices?

      Also, thereâ(TM)s a limited amount of wireless spectrum. Each cell tower canâ(TM)t handle more calls than there are channels available. In your scenario, theyâ(TM)d have to make the coverage area of each tower 100x smaller. Youâ(TM)d end up with a coverage area of maybe 10x10m.

  15. Short memories by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh.. doesn't this happen after just about every disaster?

    If you design the networks to work at the utilization that you see after a disaster there would be cell phone towers at every corner, our bills would be $500 or more a month, and it would be using a very low percentage of its capacity 99.99% of the time.

    It isn't what is important at the moment, anyway.

  16. SMS uses a different protocol by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

    I believe SMS piggy-backs on a transmission from the tower which is a different protocol than what is used for voice/data*. It seems possible that SMS may work when voice/data has been blocked.

    "transport messages on the signaling paths needed to control the telephone traffic during time periods when no signaling traffic existed. "

    [*] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service

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    1. Re:SMS uses a different protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is why charges of ANYTHING for text/sms should be fraud! Cellular would not work without this data stream, they act as if they are providing you with a service.

    2. Re:SMS uses a different protocol by isorox · · Score: 2

      Which is why charges of ANYTHING for text/sms should be fraud! Cellular would not work without this data stream, they act as if they are providing you with a service.

      Don't like it? Don't use it.

    3. Re:SMS uses a different protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I have a water spring on my property, and I charge you if you'd like to bottle some water from that, should that be fraud?

    4. Re:SMS uses a different protocol by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      they act as if they are providing you with a service.

      They ARE providing you with a service. Or did you think those Cell towers grow in the wild like mushrooms?

  17. VZW appeared overloaded, not blocked by CLorox · · Score: 2

    VZW appeared heavily overloaded and calls were not going through. Additionally, text messages also appeared to be throttled or heavily delayed. If this was a result of jamming or some other technology to throttle the network, calls were being placed, they were not however providing audio. I received about 20 calls from my girlfriend who lives in the area and her calls were ringing through and "completing", but no audio was making it over the line. Calls I was placing appeared to ring through (five or six rings?) and made it to voicemail in most cases, although I did get a couple Verizon messages instead of the voicemail box.

    Text messages we were sending each other were either extremely delayed or never made it at all (some did). I would go with the disaster norm of badly overloaded. We resorted to email via wifi instead of relying on the cell networks. When she took to the car to pick up her sister in South Boston (T services were shutdown in and around Boston), she was able to start completing calls and texts were making it through.

    1. Re:VZW appeared overloaded, not blocked by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      Not long after the bombings, I saw messages on twitter from local law enforcement encouraging people to text instead of call. "Less bandwidth" they said.

  18. They didn't? Why not? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Given the situation I think shutting down the cell networks would have been reasonable. They shut them down for G20 meetings and various protests but not in the middle of a bombing incident where there's a good chance cellular detonators are being used? Huh?

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    1. Re:They didn't? Why not? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Becasue it was over.
      Plus, any response that is standard will be trivially worked around.

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  19. Ah, the rush to misreport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, the rush to misreport. This is why I wait a week to read about what happened. News outlets, and law enforcement officials, will just make stuff up because it's too early to know what really happened. Enjoy your speculation!

    1. Re:Ah, the rush to misreport by isorox · · Score: 2

      Ah, the rush to misreport. This is why I wait a week to read about what happened. News outlets, and law enforcement officials, will just make stuff up because it's too early to know what really happened. Enjoy your speculation!

      Facts: There were 2 explosions near the finish of the Boston Marathon yesterday. 3 people have died.
      Opinion: Everything else on the news for the last 24 hours.

    2. Re:Ah, the rush to misreport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! That's why I wait. A month from now Wikipedia will have a well written summary article that will give me just the facts.

    3. Re:Ah, the rush to misreport by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Another Fact: Fewer people died in Massachusetts that day from bombings than from cancer. Another Fact: Fewer people died in Boston that day from bombings than from cars.

  20. Reserve capacity by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    I think you wall off some capacity for emergency users (911, police, first responders) and do your best with the rest.

    I agree, though there's some interesting ideas with having the phones themselves act as a mesh network to get information in/out of the affected area, but I'll point out that the military has been trying to institute something like that for decades with limited success. The idea is that a soldier's short range device hooks up with a nearby truck's, which relays it to another truck or plane that can relay it to the most appropriate ground station or satellite link. All dynamically.

    There has been some progress on using relaying to extend the range of emergency radio networks - truck to truck to network, basically.

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  21. Dated information by Brucelet · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know for sure on cell service, but there's a whole lot of other outdated information in that article. Specifically, the fire at the jfk library is now known to be unrelated, and law enforcement officials have stated that no undetonated devices were found.

  22. Media by isorox · · Score: 2

    * Media spouts a load of crap to get ratings
    * News at 11

    Oh wait, not news at 11, it's news all the time. Doesn't matter that there's nothing new to report, that it's all over, that it will takes days to get any more answer, we have to have wallpaper news because all the other stations are having it. Everyone's hoping for another 9/11.

    Oh how I wish for a return to a half hour news bulletin 3 times a day, when journalists had time to go out and find what's going on rather than sit in a studio doing two-ways, reading wires and copy that's come from the studio.

    That's enough from me standing outside an empty office block, back to you in the studio. I'll be here again in 15 minutes though for an update.

    1. Re:Media by steelfood · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't believe the things some of these news shows were saying just to have something at all to say. And then they find some Tom, Dick, or Harry, with marginal relevance to the affair, and have that person speak gibberish for half an hour.

      These days, people want their information here, now, and in its entirety all at once. It is, quite frankly, an impossibility, especially for events that are so fresh, or incredibly complex. Yet, people want it, and so the news stations have to deliver to maintain their viewership, and always to the detriment of everyone and everything else.

      Investigative journalism is dead.

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    2. Re:Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother!

    3. Re:Media by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Plus we have all this BS fake outrage they try to gin up on cell phone tower activation etc.

      WTF? Why would you disable cell use? the networks are weak and bring themselves down anyhow. Besides, we never had a sustained attack over a period of time (you could say 9-11 was) so why bother AFTER the event? These things are once off types of events. Yes, there were two bombs but they were so close together in timing it is easily within the margin of error and blocking the network wouldn't happen for minutes at best.

      Cheap radios exist that are probably easier to hook into; as well as pagers, and some Andriod phone could go off when the network is shut off... that is, if the battery didn't go dead 1st. Hasn't anybody ever heard of FUSES? self contained timers? Pre-cell phone technology? You'd think people would have a better grasp on technology in 2013 but it appears we are probably worse than the 1960s except we can fee smug with our magical cell phones. It may as well be magic because these teens have no more understanding of the stuff they are using. Some don't even know about batteries! It's "broke" or "worn out" or "old" is the explanation that led to me questioning them some teens and finding out it was just a dead battery.

  23. Use SMS in emergencies by mrops · · Score: 5, Informative

    In such emergencies, its better to use SMS than place a voice call.

    SMS rides on control signal and as long as your cell phone has a signal, it will get queued and delivered.

    Voice calls require acquiring of a dedicated voice channel, these are limited and overloaded in such emergencies.

    1. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by crakbone · · Score: 3, Funny

      After Katrina I had a friend who was worried about their father and could not get through the cell network. I recommended SMS she got through but all he said was call me.

    2. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. When the earthquake in Mineral, Virginia hit, I was standing with a group of about a hundred people outside. Very few were getting voice through, but text worked fine. It also didn't seem to matter who's network you were on.

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    3. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Lol. You have hit on one of my pet peeves.

      I don't know how many times people have left me voicemails that just said "call me". WTF???

      Um... duh. I kind of got the hint from the fact that THEY called ME, that they want to talk. It annoys me to no end when they don't say a thing about why. Listen, folks: that's what voicemail is FOR. Stop wasting bandwidth and my time. If all I want to know is that you want to talk, I can simply look at my phone log and see that you tried to call.

    4. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It should be noted that in modern cell phone systems an emergency call does not equal a voice call, although they have some common characteristics (such as transmitting a voice signal from one caller to another). Admission control works differently for these service categories, and voice calls will be dropped immediately if resources are needed to set up emergency calls. Power control also works differently for emergency calls, since they are allowed to cut deeper into the available interference budget than a regular voice call. Overall this results in terrible quality of service for everything except emergency calls.

    5. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally can't stand voice mail. To listen to a voice mail I have to stop what I'm doing, place a phone call, enter a code, select an option to listen to new messages, listen to the message - which is usually ill-prepared and rambling - and then select another option to delete it.

      A text message can convey just the information I need, and can be comprehended with a quick glance with minimal interruption to my current activity.

    6. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You need better voice mail. I don't have to call or log in to anything. Hell, Google Voice even attempts to transcribe messages.

    7. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've also heard of phone companies dedicating voice circuits to outgoing calls and not allowing incoming calls. This was done on 9/11. The idea is that someone in the area could call for help in addition to telling people they're all right. The incoming call would be less likely someone needing help.

    8. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I don't even listen to voicemail, unless it's from my parents.

    9. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Agree with the other respondent. To listen to voicemail I just have to press a button. No hassles at all. But messages like I described still annoy me and still waste my time.

    10. Re:Use SMS in emergencies by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I have explicitly disabled SMS. I think there are other people that do this. You get enough spam, and enough of social obsessed friends who can't stop texting, and you just have to turn it off.

  24. What if... by Cyfun · · Score: 1

    What if someone makes a cellular bomb that detonates if it loses its signal to the tower?

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  25. Just an FYI by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    Most cell towers have PRI lines that are dedicated for phone calls; it has a separate data connection for Internet and SMS transfers.

    SMS, data, and voice all need to deal with the problem of timing - many signals sent to the tower's receivers at once can interfere with one another. Time division can only account for data; SMS and voice both send at random times (meaning the timing of the call or message send).

    Having said that, some forms of TDMA have individual phones set up for only certain spots in the send time divisions; this can be overcome by many phones trying at the same time in the same division groups. CDMA has simple collision and overload of collisions per frequency, per coded divisor.

    Having said THAT, there are generally (depending on location of course) only 24 (or 23) to 48 (or 46) voice channels allocated in the PRI form. Yes, most mobile phone companies are still using PRI and not channelizing through data connections as most think has happened. Only the busiest locations with many separate towers in the same area use channelized grouping through data connections (fiber or copper); again, most still simple use PRIs because they're CHEAPER.

  26. The networks aren't perfect by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    If you get everyone using their phone at the same time it will fall apart. They don't build the networks to handle everyone calling and texting at the same time. I doubt they can handle half the customer base for the city at once.

  27. "Use SMS in emergencies" is actually correct by SpaceManFlip · · Score: 2
    Awhile back, you would see disclaimers here and there saying "the reliability of SMS messaging should not be counted on in emergency situations" or something to that effect.

    But the opposite actually appears to be true, when the "emergency" is in an area where a lot of folks are trying to use their cell phones at the same time.
    During some weather catastrophes a few years back, I could not get a single call to go through on the biggest carrier in my area, but texts did go through successfully. It's just less data packets to carry the information.

    It's also interesting to note that the failures of cell networks illustrates the cell carriers overselling of their networks, or to say it a different way, their failure to invest in their infrastructure to adequately support the number of customers they have.

  28. Also would likely by its nature by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    If you were to build a jammer, simplicity and reliability would be what you'd want. What that means is something that just floods the frequency range in question so that it is unusable. Simple and effective. That is, in fact, how jammers work.

    To try and jam only higher level things like voice calls, while leaving alone SMS, would require a far more complex jamming solution. Something that would actually go and interact with the cell network in some way. It would take a lot more hardware, for a lot less reliable result.

    So you are completely correct. There just really isn't a scenario where it would make sense to have a jammer that could only jam part of something where a jammer that jams all of something is in fact easier to make.

  29. The thing that gets me by Andover+Chick · · Score: 1

    The thing that gets me is how incompetent the Boston PD were in policing the finish line. First, it's inexpensive nowadays to setup lots of cheap digital cameras for video capture of area. Second, how could they not have dogs about sniffing the crowd? Third, they didn't notice someone walking around with a freaking duffel bag!??

    1. Re:The thing that gets me by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      because an athletic event never would have people showing up with duffel bags

    2. Re:The thing that gets me by Andover+Chick · · Score: 1

      Well, there's not a lot of kit for running, other than what they're wearing. It is not like ice hockey or football. What might a runner be carrying in a bulky duffel bag? An extra ten pairs of shoes?

    3. Re:The thing that gets me by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you don't run marathons, do you? how about your friend or relative holding your bag at finish line with drink, snacks, massage roller, extra shoes and socks, first aid medicine/bandages, wipes, anti-fungal spray, cell phone/wallet/keys.....

    4. Re:The thing that gets me by Andover+Chick · · Score: 1

      Yes, I do run marathons and have been involved w/their organization. Most people are in hotels in the area or have cars parked nearby. Almost all runners like to do a walking cool down after a marathon so even if a friend/relative is waiting they'd be a hundred meters or more away. There are first aid stations throughout the route and finish. Drinks are provided through the route (if you've ever been to a marathon), often by official sponsrs. It is ridiculous to think they're going to eat snacks. No one is going to munch on Doritos after running 26 miles. No athlete ever eats snacks right after an event, let alone a marathon runner. The most they'd consume is pocket size carbo gels. Again, there is absolutely no reason why someone needs to be walking around near the finish line with a bag large enough to hold a pressure cooker. P.S. there like is the occasional nut that brings anti-fungal spray or massage roller to the finish line but they're obviously the sort of obsessive who should be searched anyway.

    5. Re:The thing that gets me by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you contradict yourself on snacks, yes there are carb gels and others prefer certain natural foods. there are runners who want their own drinks, and the "first aid" things that aren't for injury......I'd agree there is no need for anything of the *weight* of a pressure cooker (loaded with bad things too) in a bag, but the gym bag is pretty useful. but the way a person would carry a bag full of heavy evil shit would be obvious.

  30. Jammer by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Can they even legally do this? Didn't San Francisco have a plan that included this and the FCC was like, "No you don't. We control broadcasting and we don't authorize use of jammers for any reason."

    Similarly IIRC stasdiums and businesses can't, either.

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  31. What is more likely.... by hamster_nz · · Score: 1

    What is more likely? an explosive device, loaded with a cell phone that required a working/registered/traceable SIM, or a generic clockwork egg-timer or other mechanical clock, or if you are really high tech maybe a small micro like an Arduino, or just an RTC clock module, using the alarm signal?

    After all, the device didn't have to explode the second that a motorcade drove past, just sometime in the next few hours would do fine

    What I don't understand is why why would you time it when most of the field have been through? Surely for maximum impact you would want to have exploded it earlier?

    1. Re:What is more likely.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all they have are instructions for phone-triggered IEDs, they'll make a phone-triggered IED. These aren't the inventive guys.

  32. That doesnt mean it shouldnt not be jammed. Or not by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Why the network operators didn't get requests to shutdown the network, that doesn't mean it wasn't jammed. The military has jammers it uses where they suspect IEDs to prevent triggering via the cell network.

    Ignoring the obvious idiotic question of why would I expect the military to be standing around with jammers set up and ready at the marathon, what makes you think that this is even a good idea? Little background here..

    It seems that in Iraq, the insurgents were using cell phones to remotely detonate IUDs. So the military deploys jammers. The insurgents counter with IUDs that detonate when they lose signal, indicating jamming is occurring.

    SO, assuming that they had the capability to do so, what makes you think that jamming is the correct response? You may just set off another wave of explosions when you flip the switch.

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  33. pointless speculation by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    This incident could have been substantially mitigated by .....

    I'm going to stop you right there, because you are just playing 'armchair general' now. First off, if someone wants to be a terrorist, its going to happen. Moving the cans around would only change the way they attack. Second, hindsight is 20/20, so you can prattle on all you want about how this could have mitigated the attach, but its just speculation and hot air. Pearl Harbor wouldn't have happened if we put everybody on alert, JFK would be alive if he drove with the top down, Napoleon would have won at Waterloo if bleah bleah bleah. Just stop.

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    1. Re:pointless speculation by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      As I explained already, the reason so many bombings involve garbage cans (particularly in western countries) is that every other means of bombing either has a higher risk of getting caught (e.g. leaving a bag in plain sight) or requires someone to commit suicide. Neither of those problems is insurmountable, mind you, but it changes the equation significantly, particularly if the bomber is a lone nutjob rather than part of an organized terrorist organization.

      And no, this isn't just speculation and hot air. It's one thing to fail to prevent something that truly could not have been predicted, such as JFK's assassination. It is quite another to fail to prevent a scenario that security experts have been warning about for years. Comments about securing garbage cans in public places against terrorist attacks might legitimately have been dismissed as 20/20 hindsight when these issues were pointed out after the Olympic Park Bombing almost two decades ago or after a few of the IRA bombings in England. Such comments might even have been dismissed as 20/20 hindsight after garbage cans were used in Madrid's train station bombings almost a decade ago. But this is just the latest in a long string of garbage can bombings in the western world, and it was at least the second such incident in the United States. I'm sorry, but that's way past 20/20 hindsight, and well into WTF territory.

      It was well understood long before this latest attack that you should avoid putting garbage cans where people are likely to congregate, and that any nearby garbage cans in such places should be designed to absorb most of the force if somebody plants a bomb in them. For example, London ditched most of their garbage cans because of IRA bombings decades ago, and began testing bomb-proof garbage cans almost five years ago. New York has bomb-proof garbage cans in certain key areas as well. Chicago began the process of upgrading theirs a year ago. And so on. Heck, the issue of garbage can safety was even a well understood problem in Boston . Boston just failed to properly address the problem, and three people lost their lives as a direct result of that failure.

      Sadly, the underlying reason for that failure seems to be endemic to American government. For the most part, instead of doing useful upgrades that could save lives, we've poured billions of dollars into worthless body scanners at airports and other technology that doesn't actually work. For the amount of money we've squandered on the TSA, we could have installed forty-four million bomb-proof garbage cans in cities across the country. Do the math. IMO, Napolitano should resign, and the TSA and most of Homeland Security should be dismantled, but I'm not holding my breath.

      Speaking of holding my breath, why in heck did they put garbage cans right near the pedestrian barricades in the first place? Nobody wants to stand next to a smelly garbage can while watching a race. That's stupid even if you aren't worried about bombers. But I digress.

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  34. The Simmons Connection by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Officials also announced a twist in the probe: Suspicious packages that were detonated out of precaution were not explosive devices after all.

    That's not a twist, it's just a thing. A twist is if it turns out to have been Richard Simmons.

    No, a twist would have been if they suspected that it was Richard Simmons and it turned out to have been Gene Simmons.

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  35. because they use a shitty discovery protocol by dotar · · Score: 1

    Mobile phone networks typically use ALOHA, which fails utterly under heavy loads. It ain't a long queue, it's three stooges syndrome.