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Physicist Proposes New Way To Think About Intelligence

An anonymous reader writes "A single equation grounded in basic physics principles could describe intelligence and stimulate new insights in fields as diverse as finance and robotics, according to new research, reports Inside Science. Recent work in cosmology has suggested that universes that produce more entropy (or disorder) over their lifetimes tend to have more favorable properties for the existence of intelligent beings such as ourselves. A new study (pdf) in the journal Physical Review Letters led by Harvard and MIT physicist Alex Wissner-Gross suggests that this tentative connection between entropy production and intelligence may in fact go far deeper. In the new study, Dr. Wissner-Gross shows that remarkably sophisticated human-like "cognitive" behaviors such as upright walking, tool use, and even social cooperation (video) spontaneously result from a newly identified thermodynamic process that maximizes entropy production over periods of time much shorter than universe lifetimes, suggesting a potential cosmology-inspired path towards general artificial intelligence."

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  1. Oh, he's back from his tour of the universes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How was the weather?

    1. Re:Oh, he's back from his tour of the universes? by Xaedalus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Respectfully asking, what's wrong with saying, "What if?" You are correct, we haven't discovered any of what you described. But what I fail to understand is why you are so quick and so adamant to cite what we don't know and imply that speculation is pointless. The impression I get from your post is that we're better off limiting ourself to what we do know--which eventually just leads us to an endless loop because we never move beyond what we don't know.

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    2. Re:Oh, he's back from his tour of the universes? by Jahta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if we don't ask "what if", how is there any advancement? Yes, we'd most likely be wrong--it's only through error do we find the truth. What I fail to understand is how science advances without speculation?

      The problem - eloquently expressed here The Trouble With Physics: The Rise of String Theory, The Fall of a Science, and What Comes Next - arises when theoretical physics comes up with hypotheses that are untested (and even potentially untestable) but people start treating them as grounded theories. This is essentially no different from the intelligent design argument; a position that relies on unprovable speculation that you just have to take on faith.

    3. Re:Oh, he's back from his tour of the universes? by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is this paper not a scientific approach to empirical data? We have empirical observations of a wide range of animal/human behaviors. The authors propose a toy mathematical model that reproduces key features of several interesting observed behaviors. This is perfectly good science, just like saying "hey, an F=G*m_1*m_2/r^2 force between massive objects recreates the observed motions of the heavenly bodies" --- a predictive, testable mathematical model that can be compared with measurements of the motions and behaviors of actual critters to see how well it works.

    4. Re:Oh, he's back from his tour of the universes? by bdwebb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Informed speculation is exactly what advances the scientific process. If you want to be a librarian of others' knowledge and only work within the sphere of existing information and theory then you provide nothing new to the scientific community except to further back up what we already know.

      Your opinion is the exact reason that most pre-graduate school science classes are garbage...the professors teaching the subject have no imagination and therefore cannot present topics in anything but a dry, unenthusiastic drawl that kills the motivation of potential creative thinkers to seek out new knowledge and to advance our species' understanding of the nature of things. The author is not stating that this new research is anything close to finding a 99.9% solid theory...FTA:

      Our results suggest a potentially general thermodynamic model of adaptive behavior as a nonequilibrium process in open systems.

      Their results suggest a potentially general thermodynamic model of adaptive behavior as a nonequilibrium process in open systems. In other words, more research needs to be done but their initial review and experimental process based on recent advancements in other fields points to a result which he has published a paper around. First, How is this not science? And second, How is this not exactly the type of science that moves our knowledge and understanding forward in the best way? Even if he is proven to be wrong, his results are enticing and can lead others to consider how these results can be differently applied.

  2. Relevant xkcd by Karganeth · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:Relevant xkcd by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh you're a fan of webcomics? Here, have a Penny Arcade.

  3. Intelligence a man made idea. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Intelligence was invented by man, as a way to make them seem better then other animals in the world.
    Then we further classified it down so we can rank people.

    So it isn't surprising if we want to find intelligent life outside of earth, then we need to change the rules again, as well we need to change the rules of what intelligence is by the fact we have created technology that emulates or exceeds us in many areas we use to classify intelligence.

    Intelligence is a man made measurement, I expect it will always be in flux. However you shouldn't dismiss or automatically accept as good ideas just because someone number that was granted by a fluctuating scale.

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    1. Re:Intelligence a man made idea. by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We are better than other animals in the world. By any objective measure we can move faster, go higher, lift more weight, survive in more hostile environments, and a great deal more using our intelligence. There's no animal that can do something better than we can, with a few exceptions like tortoises with very long lifespans, but we'll get there too. Now whether or not that means we are more worthy in some objective way is a totally differerent question.

    2. Re:Intelligence a man made idea. by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

      -- Douglas Adams

    3. Re:Intelligence a man made idea. by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BS. Take your basic household feline. It's tricked its owners into feeding, watering, and petting it. Hell, it has even tricked them into taking out the dooty. No living life form comes close to that kind of intelligence.

  4. Re:Am I missing something? by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what it seems to be from a quick read. It would also explain why he would publish an AI paper in a physics journal, rather than in, you know, an AI journal: probably because he was hoping to get clueless physicists who aren't familiar with existing AI work as the reviewers.

    Which isn't to say that physicists can't make good contributions to AI; a number have. But the ones who have an impact and provide something new: 1) explain how it relates to existing approaches, and why it's superior; and 2) publish their work actually relevant journals with qualified peer-reviewers.

  5. Spherical cows! by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can tell this is a physicist's paper. It lacks spherical cows, but only because the toy models were set up in 2D. So, instead, we get a crow, chimpanzee, or elephant approximated by circular disks.

  6. Re:Am I missing something? by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I grew up right next to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. My dad and the vast majority of my friends moms and dads worked there for a long time as physicists. Being around these people for 35 years has taught me something. They are morons. They know physics but literally nothing else, besides of course math.

    Its one of those strange situations where they can be utterly brilliant in their singular field of study but absolutely incompetent at literally everything else. I've known guys with IQ's in the 160's that couldn't for the life of them live on their own for their inability to cook or clean or even drive a car. I know one of them that was 45 years old and had never had a drivers license. His wife drove him everywhere or he walked (occasionally the bus if the weather was poor). He didn't do this for ideological reasons like climate change blah blah, he did it because he couldn't drive. He failed the drivers test for years until he gave up trying.

    Whenever a physicist starts talking about something other than physics, I typically roll my eyes and ignore them. It's just intellectual masturbation on their part.

  7. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the problem of uninformed physicists has been addressed by proper scientific research before:

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2556

  8. Re:Am I missing something? by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, what you're missing is the entire point of the paper. Here's my attempt at a quick summary:
    Suppose you are a hungry crow. You see a tasty morsel of food in a hollow log (that you can't directly reach), and a long stick on the ground. The paper poses an answer to the question: what general mechanism would let you "figure out" how to get the food?

    Many cognitive models might approach this by assuming the crow has a big table of "knowledge" that it can logically manipulate to deduce an answer: "stick can reach food from entrance to log," "I can get stick if I go over there," "I can move stick to entrance of log," => "I can reach food." This paper, however, proposes a much more general and simple model: the crow lives by the rule "I'll do whatever will maximize the number of different world states my world can be in 5 seconds from now." By this principle, the crow can reach a lot more states if it can move the stick (instead of the fewer states where the stick just sits in the same place on the ground), so it heads over towards the stick. Now it can reach a lot more states if it pokes the food out of the hole with the stick, so it does. And now, it can eat the tasty food.

    The paper shows a few different examples where the single "maximize available future states" principle allows toy models to "solve" various problems and exhibit behavior associated with "cognition." This provides a very general mechanism for cognition driving a wide variety of behaviors, that doesn't require the thinking critter to have a giant "knowledge bank" from which to calculate complicated chains of logic before acting.

  9. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This. I've been a physics student for a third of my life and I've come to the conclusion that I cannot live with other physicists for precisely this reason. Poked my nose into the maths & compsci faculty for a bit, but they were no better.
    In any case, in this concrete situation: the paper mentioned in TFA gives us not even one hint on how to construct an AI and is chock-full of absurd simplification of a complicated system.

  10. Silly paper that completely misses the point by mTor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a review of this paper by a researcher who actually works in the field of AI and cognitive psychology:

    Interdisciplinitis: Do entropic forces cause adaptive behavior?

    Few choice quotes:

    Physicists are notorious for infecting other disciplines. Sometimes this can be extremely rewarding, but most of the time it is silly. I've already featured an example where one of the founders of algorithmic information theory completely missed the point of Darwinism; researchers working in statistical mechanics and information theory seem particularly susceptible to interdisciplinitis. The disease is not new, it formed an abscess shortly after Shannon (1948) founded information theory. The clarity of Shannon's work allowed a metaphorical connections between entropy and pretty much anything. Researchers were quick to swell around the idea, publishing countless papers on âoeInformation theory of Xâ where X is your favorite field deemed in need of a more thorough mathematical grounding.

    and after he explains what the paper's about and how utterly empty it is, he offers some advice to authors:

    By publishing in a journal specific to the field you are trying to make an impact on, you get feedback on if you are addressing the right questions for your target field instead of simply if others' in your field (i.e. other physicists) think you are addressing the right questions. If your results get accepted then you also have more impact since they appear in a journal that your target audience reads, instead of one your field focuses on. Lastly, it is a show of respect for the existing work done in your target field. Since the goal is to set up a fruitful collaboration between disciplines, it is important to avoid E.O. Wilson's mistake of treating researchers in other fields as expendable or irrelevant.

  11. Re:Relevant SMBC by mTor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And here's a relevant SMBC:

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2556

  12. Re:Am I missing something? by LourensV · · Score: 5, Informative

    Suggesting that the purpose of intelligence in this man's random musings might be to increase the background levels of entropy for your own benefit.

    That's close, I think. I am not a physicist and I skimmed the equations, but here's my take on what they're proposing. Physical systems have states, which can be described by a state vector. The state of these systems evolves according to some set of rules that describes how the state vector changes over time. They've built a simulator in which the probability of a certain state transition is computed by looking at how many different paths (in state space, i.e. future histories of the system) are possible from the new state, in such a way that the system tries to maximise the number of possibilities for the future. In one example, they have a particle that moves towards the centre of a box, because from there it can move in more directions than when it's close to a wall.

    They then set up two simple models mimicking two basic intelligence tests, and find that their simulator solves them correctly. One is a cart with a pendulum suspended from it, which the system moves into an upright position because from there it's easiest (cheapest energetically, I gather) to reach any other given state. The other is an animal intelligence test, in which an animal is given some food in a space too small for it to reach, and a tool with which the food can be extracted. In their simulation, the "food" is indeed successfully moved out of the enclosed space, because it's easier to do various things with an object when it's close compared to when it's in a box. However, in neither case does the algorithm "know" the goal of the exercise. So they've shown that they've invented a search algorithm that can solve two particular problems, problems which are often considered tests of intelligence, without knowing the goal.

    Then, they use this to support the hypothesis that intelligence essentially means maximising future possibilities. Another way of saying this, I think, is that an intelligent creature will seek to maximise the amount of power it has over its environment, and they've translated that concept into the language of physics. That's an intriguing concept, relating to the concept of liberty, power struggles between people at all scale levels, scientific and technological progress, and so on. I can't imagine this idea being new though. So it all hinges on to what extent this simulation adds anything new to that discussion.

    On the face of it, not much. You might as well say that they've found two tests for which the solution happens to coincide with the state that maximises the number of possible future histories. The only surprising thing then is that their stochastically-greedy search algorithm (actually, without having looked at the details, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be yet another variation of Metropolis-Hastings with a particular objective function) finds the global solution without getting stuck in a local minimum, which could be entirely down to coincidence. It's easy to think of another problem that their algorithm won't solve, for example if the goal would be to put the "food" into the box, rather than taking it out. Their algorithm will never do that, because that would increase the future effort necessary to do something with it. Of course, you might consider that pretty intelligent, and many young humans would certainly agree, although their parents might not. It would be interesting to see how many boxed objects you need before the algorithm considers it more efficient to leave them neatly packaged rather than randomly strewn about the floor, if that happens at all.

    There's another issue in that the examples are laughably simple. While standing upright allows you to do more different things, no one spends their lives standing up, because it costs more energy to do that as a consequence of all sorts of random disturbances in the environment. The model ignores this completely. Similarly, you could

  13. Re:when I want to maximize entropy ... by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The point in the paper that addresses the "burn shit to be smart!" concept is that the "intelligence" is operating on a simplified, macroscopic model of the world, which doesn't pay attention to the microscopic entropy of chemical bonds (increased by setting stuff on fire). In this simplified "critter-scale" world, shorter-term entropy gain *is* the driving compulsion. The toy model "crow reaching food with a stick" example wasn't driven by the crow thinking "gee, if I don't eat now, I'll be dead next year, so I'd better do something about that." Instead, the problem was "solved" by the crow maximizing entropy a few seconds ahead --- e.g. it moves to reach the stick, because there are a lot more system states available if the stick can be manipulated instead of just lying in the same place on the ground. The "intelligent behavior" only needs to maximize entropy on the time-scale associated with completing the immediate task --- a few seconds --- rather than "long term" considerations about nutritional needs.