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Ubuntu Releases 13.04, Sticks To 6-Month Release Rhythm
Barence writes "Ubuntu has shelved the idea of moving to rolling releases, and will continue to release a new version every six months. Earlier this year, Ubuntu developers discussed the idea of moving to rolling releases, with new features added to the OS as and when they were ready. However, In an interview with PC Pro, Canonical CEO Jane Silber said the developers had taken a 'cold, hard look at our long-standing practices' and decided to stay with twice-yearly releases. It has, however, cut support on non-LTS releases from 18 to nine months." Today, the Ubuntu team have released the latest iteration of Ubuntu, 13.04 ("Raring Ringtail"), along with variants like Kubuntu 13.04.
Might I suggest "Simpering Spyware?"
I for one dropped Ubuntu over that (and Unity)... yeah, I know its removable, not the point.
It's been very nice to follow Ubuntu. Few other distributions have been better at making Linux available for so many. Congratulation Ubuntu. Well done!
I'm braced for impact.
With the 12.* releases I saw loads go up to 10+ loads after I upgraded my laptop from 11.
It was... *trumpets please* zeitgeist going nuts at random intervals.
Sorry Ubuntu... no more. Ubuntu-based, yeah I'll still go for that, but for me the everyday version if the distro is history. I need an OS, not a advertisement engine.
then disable sending your queries to remote sources. Yes, it is enabled by default, but no, you don't have to use it. I disabled it as soon as I typed in "jockey" to find the additional drivers tool in 12.10, and got ads for underware. Yea. No.
Even if you don't use Ubuntu, seed the torrents for a few hours. It is one way we can all contribute to Open Source - no dev skills, documentation skills, etc. required!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Software is engineering, so when will they solve the problem ? at what point do they say "finished" ?
Not much else to say http://www.ubuntu.com/privacy-policy
again, no thanks, there are too many other distros just as easy and just as good that does not need to have the spam/spyware removed, it is a good thing Richard Stallman is still alive or he would be turning over in his grave
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I for one don't like a lot of change. Esp. when I have to change every nine months, and accept whatever change comes up. I got 10.04 running really nicely on an old computer, and I was happy. Esp. when I read about Unity (and now that I've tried Unity, I have to say I'll stick with Gnome).
And now 12.04 is almost setup perfectly (a few issues I'm working on, I'll get there), and I'm not aiming on changing for years.
One reason is that once something is working, I know it is working. But, if I have to update, it's likely to break something. Whether I do a fresh install or not.
Cheers.
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So far, the only review I've read about Ubuntu 13.04 said that promised features such as more customizable privacy settings and Smart Scopes didn't make it into the release because they were too buggy. It's just too amusing to have read that review the day after I read an article about how Ubuntu is ditching the rolling release model. Guess Ubuntu users will have to wait until October.
Other amusing features in 13.04: a button that shows the desktop, and a workspace switcher (disabled by default) that lets you know which workspace you're currently using. Wow, Ubuntu. Unity is on pace to have all the desktop features that Gnome 2 and Xfce have had for years by 2016.
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So my kids machine has ubuntu.. how would one go about disabling this?
ehh I think I also have a laptop with xubuntu.
NON-LTS releases. As in "releases that are not LTS are now limited to 9 months".
Just has a bad feeling... starting with the name.
Raring Ringtail is just too close to Raring Ring Piece... and for some reason has me thinking of a bad night on the curry. I really hope they use better names in future..
We`re all equal
Biggest client updates:
-UbuntuGnome (featuring Gnome 3.6 by default) is now an official flavor
-Unity 7
-LibreOffice 4
-Improved support for CUPS
-Software Updater simplified
-Friends service replaces Gwibber
13.04 is not an LTS.
Please re-read the top of this page. NON-LTS is 9 months. LTS support is the same as it's been.
Just off the top of my head and in no particular order:
openSUSE
Sabayon
Fedora 19 (when it comes out)
Mint
Manjaro
All of the above will get you nearly the same hardware support and often a better desktop experience. Manjaro is an up and comer based on Arch, still has some bugs. Sabayon, based on Gentoo is actually pretty damn good now. The others have been great for a while. I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.
Try UbuntuGnome...
It's gnome without unity's spy hounds.
Honest question then. Why are you using Ubuntu? I can't think of a distro that changes more with the exception of Arch. Why not go with Cent or Scientific and have a more stable setup with fewer changes? Or better yet, go with FreeBSD or PC-BSD and have an even more stable setup. Even plain old Debian will do a better job of it.
I did just did that, as a response to reading this thread.
Open the Systems Settings (called gnome-control-center if you want to run it from a terminal)
Click Privacy
In the first tab "Search results" disable "Include online search results" and "Record Activity"
Why the heck are you complaining? It's the non LTS that is getting cut in half, if you don't want to upgrade to latest and greatest, stick with LTS and you will be fine for a long long time!
-Unity 7
Is it just me or is Unity progressing in version numbers faster than Firefox? I'll wait til tomorrow for Unity 8.
I used to use Gwibber on Fedora until the developers started to believe the hype of NoSQL databases and had the non great idea to use the CouchDB as the backend database, never tried it again when they switched the default to SQLite. Lets see if the "Friends service" is another monster or something light
No kidding. Not to mention, that now that they've ironed out some of the bugs in the current Unity, the plan is to completely rewrite it in Qt/QML, and this release is only supported for 9 months. This is pretty much the most pointless release of Ubuntu to date.
Ubuntu: If at first you don't succeed, blindly slap a sudo in front of it
I am pretty much in the same boat. I really like 12.04, it does what I want, it's really stable. I'll probably stick with it until 14.04 comes out next year. The LTS releases are what keeps me on Ubuntu. Let the beta testers play with 13.04.
Look, say what you will about Unity and the spyware and tie-ins to advertising. I'll probably agree with most of what you say.
But you all act like THAT'S ALL THAT UBUNTU IS.
First of all, Canonical has built a stable, reliable platform with wide 3rd party software vendor support. This is something to be admired and respected.
Second, ALL of the UI changes and tie-ins that people are complaining about are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL.
It's as if these folks have never heard of the netboot minimal CD. You do realize you can choose to install whatever desktop GUI you want, right? And never even install Unity in the first place, right?
OK OK bitch and moan about Mir - it was in my opinion a good decision to allow for easier access to OpenGL, which is being used more and more in end-user UIs. And besides - you don't have to use it.
For Desktop users, I still recommend Mint, but let's not all bash on Ubuntu and pretend like it's some Apple-like walled garden that forces its corporate partners on you. If all you know how to do is download the standard ISO and install, then you get what you pay for (NOTHING). If you take the time to actually KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, you can avoid these things completely and wind up with a much more customized and personal system.
Just my 2.
A good distribution will be based on good thinking. And the right way to approach the problem is to ask: what users are asking for spyware?
The answer is: none.
If the answer had been yes, then the next question would be: which of their use cases are addressed by the spyware?
The answer would still be: none.
Windows and Mac OS X are places where decisions to oppose the interests of users, are weighed based on how "radioactive" it is, where all strategies are variations on the theme: to exactly what level should our conflict with our users should be escalated? Tuning that level of conflict escalation, is what these companies do. It is why they exist. That is how Apple decides whether or not to release the iNextThing.
That Ubuntu transition to there, starting from Debian (where strategies are optimized to maximize totally different values), is amazing.
Really? "Ubunpoop"? That's seriously where you're going with that one?
*sigh* Another immature, 12-year-old nail in the coffin of the real world ever taking the nerd world seriously.
Good reason to skip this (13.04) version: It forces your hand on 13.10.
I.e. you'll have to upgrade to 13.10 after that no matter what. And if, god forbid, you'll have a hardware compatibility problem in 13.10 - you'll be screwed.
On another hand, if you're on on 12.10 now - you have the option to what till 14.04
Then use the LTS release and stick with it, you don't have to follow the 6 months cycle!
That's exactly what the LTS is for : Long Term Support, and the 12.04LTS is supported for 5 years (even on desktop).
I'm not complaining. I'm stating the fact that I'm going to be sticking with the LTS, because it doesn't change. That's not a complaint. Honestly...
Posting anonymously as there is no tick box to post without karma bonus. Wait, you won't see this if it's anonymous will you... Ah, fuck it.
Let me list the ways:
1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").
2) I really like apt-get.
3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).
4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.
5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.
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It's a nice blend of my favourite features of OS X and Windows.
The only thing I might use otherwise is Elementary OS' DE, but the lack of a global menu bar kills it for me.
-Improved support for CUPS
so there's a Unity button to open the CD tray?
1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").
I've installed Debian. I really don't see how it's "more work" than Ubuntu. It's like three mouse clicks and some typing and you get a fully functional gnome desktop.
2) I really like apt-get.
Available on Debian. Not seeing your point. There are better package managers out there now too, like Pacman and RPM has leapfrogged deb in recent years in my opinion.
3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).
This totally negates your first point. Debian and others work after some fiddling too. You're just fucking lazy.
4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.
Ubuntu's LTS changes a thousand times more than Debian or even FreeBSD does.
5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.
Yeah, fuck delta updates and a sane package manager. Emacs does suck, yes. I shave my head, not sure if that is a haircut or a lack of hair altogether.
Did you use any of the early versions? They needed to make a lot of fixes, and fast!
Actually, I did just look this up- this is already the 5th version of Ubuntu to ship with Unity, so even progressing at just one version number at each release, this would still be up to 5. That makes me feel like time is moving too fast, and I want to get off.
Let's just face it, here in Linux Land, if any distro achieves a measure of success, we just hate it! It is as night follows day.
The majority of the hate-posts here betray a deep lack of knowledge of what's going on with Ubuntu. All they know is that it's cool to hate Ubuntu, good for your geek cred.
This is nothing new with Ubuntu - it's been true since the dawn of Linux and distros. I'm not sure why it is, but it's appears to be some basic human social-driven flaw.
Ubuntu has done a helluva lot for Linux, and people who don't understand that haven't been using Linux for very long. They claim to want Linux to "succeed", but as soon as it begins to, they pile on. Because it's not exactly what THEY want. It's pathetic, disgusting, and discouraging.
Looks like electric cars are depriving u of cheap lithium.
I was using Mint 13 for a good while, and loving it, but have now switched over to the newest Mint LMDE version. This is based on Debian's testing respository, not Ubuntu, so is more of a rolling update model. This puts me back to an improved version of what I had with my old stock-Debian desktop, having added some "just works" niceties from Mint.
Yeah, I think i've tested every version since the Ubuntu Netbook remix days. I've never settled on Unity as an actual day to day desktop though. It's just too foreign to me.
Summary: "I'm an LTS user."
Good for you. Me too. But why say it so long-windedly?
Ubuntu started as a Debian derivative.
1. No comment, but I haven't had much trouble installing and configuring linux, though X back in the 90's on slackware was a bit troublesome.
2. Debian created apt & apt-get.
3. Debian works, actually the big reason I switched to Debian is because it works well and handles upgrades nicely.
4. Debian stable is more stable, and supported for a longer time.
5. That isn't a reason
So you don't know that many people then.
Furthermore, 12.04 is the first LTS to be supported for 5 years instead of the former 3 years.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
Debian can get in the way of easily installing some proprietary stuff and, also, because it focuses on stability, it might make you impatient if you're expecting packaging of new versions of software.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
Also includes broken Cinnamon packages by default
Yes, it is enabled by default
That's the whole damn problem.
People shouldn't have to search for various settings and tweak them in order to achieve a reasonable level of privacy.
The GP calls it "spyware", and I think that's a reasonable word for it.
I get basically the same desktop either way but Debian requires more fucking around and I have to add third party repositories to get decent video card drivers, codecs and font rendering. Debian also doesn't include decent app armor profiles and most packages aren't even compiled with stack protection and PIE.
Get over it. There's a reason why Google and most tech companies go with Ubuntu over Debian.
How do you reconcile the fact that there is no Debian-style security team keeping multiverse/universe safe?
What do you know about fluoridation?
Nice, I've been waiting for this version to drop so I can install the latest version of lubuntu on an older laptop. I really recommend trying lunbutu nowadays. LXDE has matured well, and it wins the "just works" seal of approval for me. I've had good experiences with migrating Windows users over to it as well, because it has maintained many of the Windows features (bar on the bottom, menu button where Start button is, close windows from the top right, etc.). It's ridiculous how fast a 5-year-old laptop can be with lubuntu instead of Vista.
Regarding Debian vs Ubuntu.
Ubuntu automatically worked with no issues with wifi, with my touchscreen, with my sound, and a couple of other things I can't just recall. The only thing that worked better on Debian on a fresh install was hibernate. So, fiddling for Debian = getting basic stuff to work. Fiddling for Ubuntu = installing and configuring Gnome to my liking (Unity worked with no issues, except I don't like it as much).
So, yes I'm lazy. But when I don't have easy access* to a wired network, I'll take Ubuntu over Debian thanks.
The apt-get comment was comparing Ubuntu to the RedHat derivations.
The last number was a troll... I used to use Mandrake (dates me a little), so am used to RPM (sort of).
* Easy access being: in a warm room where I don't have to worry about people tripping over the cord, or getting in my way, or trying to speak foreign languages to me.
The same thing happened in 2007 with Debian vs Ubuntu. To access a wired network required a half-hour bike ride (in the snow as well), as at the place I was staying, I didn't have access to the network equipment. So, Ubuntu won out then as well.
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5) Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.
You're a dick. Emacs did my haircut, and now it feels sad.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
How about fuck no, and use another distro?
...and got ads for underware.
Is that yet another layer between software and hardware?
Yeah, that's annoying. Another thing that sucks are the bugs, security holes, etc. Have to stay with the latest versions to get those. :(
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I was frightened that Wanking Walrus would never see the light. Now, I can confidently wait another 2.5 years for it. Mr. Torvalds probably made one of the longest running joke in Linux's history when he posted his original comment on July 2008 !
The GP calls it "spyware", and I think that's a reasonable word for it.
Well, yeah. I'm personally fine if I can disable it post-install, but the fact is that Ubuntu is not completely free software (free as in freedom) until this feature is unambiguously enabled only per user request.
live.debian.net, get the nonfree edition.
RPM has leapfrogged deb in recent years in my opinion.
Err, must be very recent then. I use Fedora on many of my work systems for lib compatibility, but every update is a nightmare of .rpm dependencies. I've never seen that happen with .deb
Non-Linux Penguins ?
Yeah, it's fun to tinker with each new Ubuntu release using a live CD or VM, but a pain in the ass to need to upgrade the OS on a production computer every six months. Something inevitably gets altered, broken, removed or replaced. You can never fully get used to everything. Canonical likes to adopt new technologies before they're ready and then drop perfectly functional ones on a whim, and that's fine for people who like to have the latest and (arguably) greatest.
So, I stuck Xubuntu 12.04 on my laptop, got it configured just the way I like it, and will happily not waste time with installation and configuration for another four years.
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What? Just get the testing or unstable and you have the latest.
Maybe it's the 5 years of support and updates. Debian and others have far less.
CentOS 6 software is just too old. LTS 12.04 is far mor modern and will be supported for 5 years.
You're doing it wrong
I would dearly love to know how I can install this device on my ubuntu/hp laptop, maybe 13.04 can?
Everyone on slashdot is a hater. I'm not a hater, I fucking love Ubuntu, and this new update to Unity. Thank you Canonical.
Yum handles those dependencies easy enough. RPM is more advanced in doing things like, you know, package management. Way more advance than Debian packages. I can search the rpmdb for nearly anything, verify and fix permissions with a command, etc...
I might argue that things that yum does should be included in RPM, such as fixing and finding all the dependencies. Then again, looking at what RPM does already, it could quickly become unusable they increased what it does.
So instead of turning in his grave he'll put on his robe and his wizard hat and go on a disassociated rant.
Nice to see that 13.04 also includes a free 30 day trial of Facebook File Manager.
meza's way is easier. That is, if you're already using Ubuntu and Unity.
The next easiest way would be to type in the terminal "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and switch to KDE. :-)
Why not just call the next release Secret Squirrel by how its being closed up like Ringtail?
Shuttleworth is a coward in front of his critics and is lucky enough to be able to withstand it - for now.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I don't understand #5, emacs is great. When people say this I can't imagine it being said out of anything but ignorance, like not using it enough or learning how to customize it or get around it. I still use vi/vim for simple things but for everything else emacs works better for me and I use it for most of what I do.
Whatever the case, use it or don't; it's open source so fortunately it won't die out even if only two people in the world use it.
hahaha, haven't been to bash.org in ages. Thanks for the flashback.
I always start the latest Ubuntu release running Unity for a few months and then I gravitate back to the latest KDE SC. Don't get me wrong, I like Unity and KDE, but something deep inside my soul keeps drawing me to KDE.
It is most supported distro from commercial vendors, e.g. Steam. They'll choose to compatible with Ubuntu first before everything else. And it has a large community to ask for support & help. For other unpopular distros, you maybe on your own.
I've got a wide-screen display so have no prob with having the Unity strip with 30%-reduced icons taking up space. I took out some stuf I don't want or use too infrequently to be useful there, and lock often-used programs instead. For me, it's a handy thing.
The first think I do with a fresh install is to get classicmenu-indicator. I want everything to be in the drop down menu. Then I adjust some of the fonts and restore scroll bars.
Biggest complaint I have is that each version lately has been making it more difficult to get to many basic adjustments. While Dash sometimes helps find something, I never got used to having to type something to get at a program - unless we're talking DOS-style prompt stuff, and I haven't used that since 8-bit days.
Not much really. But I don't understand why Linux fanatics hate Ubuntu's releases so much. I have recently shifted from Windows to Ubuntu 12 and Unity isn't really an ass honestly. Maybe Gnome (my understanding: Windows-like interface?) maybe better but Ubuntu works flawlessly on my computer without much hassle. The community is supportive, app installation is ok... everything works. But does Ubuntu deserve so much from those who has participated in its foundations?