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The Amazon Rainforest Wants Its TLD Back From Amazon.com

terrancem writes "The Seattle-based Amazon.com has applied for its brand to be a generic top-level domain name (.amazon), but South American governments argue this would prevent the use of this internet address for environmental protection, the promotion of indigenous rights and other public interest uses. Along with dozens of other disputed claims to names including ".patagonia" and ".shangrila", the issue cuts to the heart of debates about the purpose and governance of the internet."

186 comments

  1. Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

    You better call Captain Planet, South America.

    Because little Jeff Bezos ain't giving that up without a serious fight.

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    1. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Creating all of these new TLDs is nothing but a money making scam for ICANN.

    2. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Creating all of these new TLDs is nothing but a money making scam for ICANN.

      Oh, not to worry, with the number of sneaky URL-lookalikes that a combination of gTLDs and unicode support will allow, it won't just be ICANN pulling off money making scams...

    3. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's this group of women from Mars outside waiting to meet Bezos. They said something about his puny weapon being no match for their own.

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    4. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      You better call Captain Planet, South America.

      Because little Jeff Bezos ain't giving that up without a serious fight.

      Hey, both Amazons are leading distributors of dead trees, I think we've got a serious trademark issue here.

    5. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Goodyob · · Score: 0

      More often than you think, actually. ".me" is having a lot of use, along with some dot coms adopting weird URL's to shorten their default ones for share links (Youtube becomes youtu.be, Twitter uses t.co (I think)). What you are thinking of is most likely .co.cc, those are the ones with all the spammers usually

    6. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I go to .ca every days. I live in Canada. I also visit a lot of .fr, .de, .se and .uk, to name a few.

    7. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I go to .ca every days. I live in Canada. I also visit a lot of .fr, .de, .se and .uk, to name a few.

      So do I but that's not what I'm talking about. I don't know how it works, but I would imagine that I can't register a .ca domain if I'm not in Canada. (If you can then the system is even more fucked up than I thought).

      But anyone can register a domain using one of the hundreds of proposed new domains. And with the combination of those new TLDs, Unicode and a shady registrar, people will be able to create all sorts of sneaky look-a-like websites. Sure, they're doing that now, but things are about to get a whole lot worse.

      And meanwhile, nobody is going to type whatever.amazon into their web browser. They're just going to keep going to amazon.com. It's their name. In all of their advertisements, including TV commercials, they don't call themselves Amazon. They call themselves Amazon Dot Com.

    8. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OUCH.

      Actually the Amazon is being cut down to feed appetites for cheap beef. Because a hamburger takes 3 minutes to eat, and hey, who needs to breathe anyway?

      http://www.mongabay.com/brazil.html

    9. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by bmxeroh · · Score: 1

      I hate this new TLD crap. It's such an obvious scam from ICANN it makes my head feel like it's going to explode. More importantly, how often do you visit specific parts of a site without hitting the main site first? Very rarely do I use (or remember) a sub-domain when I'm typing an address into the address bar, with very few exceptions (maps.google or images.google come to mind). I'm just simply not going to ever type movies-tv-dvd-bluray.amazon nor remember that it's lLinkGNAV_Movies_Movies.Walmart if I'm comparing the two.

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    10. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      nobody is going to type whatever.amazon into their web browser. They're just going to keep going to amazon.com.

      That's a very short-sighted way of looking at it.

      Think "rivers.amazon, fauna.amazon, flora.amazon, etc" or alternatively, "books.amazon, movies.amazon, cheap_crap.amazon etc".

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    11. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      That's a very short-sighted way of looking at it.

      Think "books.amazon, movies.amazon, cheap_crap.amazon etc".

      And nobody is going to do that. Amazon had spent many years branding themselves as Amazon Dot Com.

    12. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You definetly can't. There's a "Canadian presence requirement"

      You can form a shell corporation with a wholly owned Canadian subsidiary though.

    13. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Creating all of these new TLDs is nothing but a money making scam for ICANN.

      You do realise that there are other TLD's that dont end on .com .net et al?

      Think .uk,.au,jp,nz and a whole bunch of others...

    14. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by TheLink · · Score: 1

      In contrast more than a decade ago I proposed a .here TLD (something like RFC1918 IPv4 addresses but for TLDs) to both the IETF: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yeoh-tldhere-01 and the ICANN.

      People back then said use .local or .localhost. But:
      1) AFAIK these weren't even officially reserved either! .local was only reserved as of Feb 2013.
      2) .local etc would be more for "machine usage" - existing stuff already use these things in certain ways (Apple's Bonjour). .local might be filled by with hostnames, whereas .here might be filled with more human oriented stuff (e.g. jukebox.here, airconditioner.here, whats.here, whos.here).

      Neither the IETF nor ICANN showed much interest. But I believe ".here" has a better reason to exist than .amazon. Especially if wearable computers take off - it could make it easier to refer to stuff ".here" in your current location and "plane of existence" (e.g. SSID).

      After seeing the direction ICANN was taking, I realized that they were more about progressing their bank accounts than the Internet.

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    15. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      And rivers.amazon will send you to a site selling books about rivers.

      Remember: the .amazon tld is, when it's issued, controlled by the book selling company Amazon, Inc. It's effectively shorthand for amazon.com.

    16. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Nor should he. ".amazon" ain't no country TLD that I know of.

    17. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I only regularly visit one .cx, though.

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    18. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Creating all of these new TLDs is nothing but a money making scam for ICANN.

      You do realise that there are other TLD's that dont end on .com .net et al?

      Think .uk,.au,jp,nz and a whole bunch of others...

      Yes I do realize that. And I also know that they are country-specific )you can't get a .ca domain if you aren't actually in Canada) and as such they serve a legitimate purpose. Unfortunately you have completely missed the point. All the new domains being proposed serve no purpose other than to make lots of money for ICANN. And to

    19. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by black6host · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More often than you think, actually. ".me" is having a lot of use, along with some dot coms adopting weird URL's to shorten their default ones for share links.....

      This ^ is actually the problem. The whole "me" attitude. A corporate identity wants a domain because they think it will further their business. Some countries want to focus domains on what is important to them. Frankly the Amazon rainforest is of much more importance to the health of our world than the company could ever be. And anyone who wants to promote that domain in the interest of protecting this world we live on has my blessing.

      What we really should focus on is what is best for .us. But, the US has that domain. Still, the sentiment remains.

      Amazon, and other business entities can continue raking in their fortunes without these gTLDs. They're already doing it, they're (in my opinion) only being protective so someone else doesn't grab something that would lead to confusion between their brand and another.

      One day, people will just not care about such things. They'll be too busy just trying to survive. Might be sooner, might be much, much later (way later!) My bet is on sooner, we do a good job of screwing things up in the name of profit and then move on once we go bankrupt, another company picks up the assets and not the liabilities, and continues onward. Bhopal anyone!

      Yeah a bit rambling, but all important things to think about.

    20. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Sun · · Score: 1

      I am well aware that Americans, as a rule, have trouble seeing past the end of their noses, but just to answer your question, I go to .co.il sites all the time. I operate a couple of .org.il sites. My own site (which is mostly used for personal email) operates at biz (check out my email address to verify it's not spam).

      I also, fairly commonly, browse to country sites outside of my own. co.uk is not unheard of in my browser's history.

      Yes, the "generic" TLDs are the most sought after, and I highly doubt the new custom TLDs are a great idea (I bought my biz domain because I honestly though it might take off as a legitimate TLD, in addition to the fact that the corresponding com was taken). Still, the internet is somewhat wider than the US of A.

      Shachar

    21. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Sun · · Score: 2

      Obligatory XKCD.

    22. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You may not be able to register a .ca from outside Canada, but you can register .cx outside Christmas Island .tv outside Tuvalu .bz outside Belize .to outside Tonga .mx outside Mexico .es outside Spain .in outside India

      This is not a complete list -- for example, I haven't mentioned that you can register .cc outside the Cocos Islands. I'm just pointing out that you can register some country code TLDs outside that country. That's probably true of most .tv domains and is possible even with larger countries like Mexico, Spain, and India.

      If anything, a .amazon domain should be safer than a .com domain. Both .co (Columbia) and .cm (Cameroon, with presence) are available (and it's possible to get .om with an Oman presence), but .mazon and .amaon seem unlikely.

    23. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Dude, they're from The Moon

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    24. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Sun · · Score: 2

      You can in some countries, and cannot in others. co.il is open, AFAIK, to everyone. Some countries ("tv" and "to", for example) are explicitly open to everyone, so much so that hardly anyone in that domain is from that country. Effectively, these are as generic as "biz" and "info", possibly even more so.

      On the other hand, both "net" and "com" used to require presence in the USA for the critical first years of the Internet. Back in 1996, a company I worked for had to create a POB in the US just to register a domain name. There were brokers who took a hefty commission above the (quite pricy) NSI rates just to do this for you.

      IIRC, to this day, EDU and GOV are only open for US based registrants, and are in no way "generic".

      Shachar

    25. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by hjf · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. my shop is called "arcana" and i wanted a .na domain: "arca.na". it was available (and I dont live in Namibia) but for $2K/yr...

    26. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only in the US. Everywhere else they go with amazon dot ccTLD.

    27. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. Don't you think it would be cool to be able to type in "rudy.wayne" and have your web site come up?

    28. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      On the contrary, it's daily, and multiple domains.

      All of which are ccTLDs however, and I completely agree about
      the stupidity and uselessness of TLD spam.

      All "big players" will want to register their name with all new TLDs to redirect to
      their canonical ones. I smirk at something like http://google.amazon - now where
      will you end up with that one? Phising just isn't easy enough nowadays, right?

    29. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      IIRC, to this day, EDU and GOV are only open for US based registrants, and are in no way "generic".

      polytechnique.edu
      solvay.edu
      nist.edu (an unexpected one, with no relation whatsoever to nist.gov...)
      kit.edu
      au.edu

    30. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      On the contrary, it's daily, and multiple domains.

      My original statement was poorly worded. I was referring to .info, .biz and all those, Not country-specific ones like .uk, .ca or .au. . I have yet to see any widespread usage of .biz or .info or any of the many other TLDs that exist. All comments I have ever seen have been along the lines of "I registered a [whatever] domain name and it never took off" or "People get confused and think my website is "something.biz.com" due to the fact that so many people associate dot com with the Internet.

        And, even when websites use country-specific domains, I see a lot them still using dot com with it -- for example "website.com.au"

    31. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      You better call Captain Planet, South America.

      Because little Jeff Bezos ain't giving that up without a serious fight.

      Obviously, Jeff can't see the forest for the trees...

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    32. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by ModernGeek · · Score: 2

      People are going to do neither of these things. They will just type "Amazon" into their search/address bar hybrid, which is pretty much just a GoogleSpyBar now, where page ranks are what the difference between your bank and a phishing site are.

      Maybe Google will start allowing people to purchase their names so that a search for "Amazon" goes to amazon.com versus a search landing page.


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    33. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Many countries allow foreigners to register domains with them. Ever used bit.ly? That ly is Libya. What about goo.gl? The gl is for Greenland. Stuff that ends in .to? Tonga. Quite a few do not, of course, but a few of them have opened them up and seen widespread use as a result.

      As for people registering domains under the new TLDs, those TLDs are not all open for public use. In fact, the vast majority of them are not open to public use at all. Amazon certainly isn't going to be letting you register rudy_wayne.amazon as a domain anytime soon, so that vector for attack is out. And if you're worried about people making lookalike TLDs, keep in mind that they cost $185,000 to register, and if there's one thing I learned in grad school when studying spam and phishing sites as part of my research, it's that the bad guys are doing everything they can to keep their costs down. The $0.05 mandatory registration fee that ICANN instituted a few years ago was a big deal, since it meant that every domain registration would cost the bad guys something, rather than letting them get a full refund during the one-week grace period after a domain is registered. You can imagine that a charge in the hundreds of thousands of dollars would act as an even greater deterrent.

      More or less, those TLDs are going to be controlled by corporations that have the money to afford them and an interest in protecting them as an authoritative source for online materials related to them and their operations. The likelihood of Amazon or anyone else allowing someone to register a domain that impersonates them is pretty much nil.

    34. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by macshit · · Score: 1

      I hate this new TLD crap. It's such an obvious scam from ICANN it makes my head feel like it's going to explode.

      Indeed, and I'm curious, actually: what's the last thing ICANN did that wasn't an obvious scam making the Internet a bit worse in order to pump some money into their coffers (so they can afford airfare to exotic locations for their meetings, of course)...?

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    35. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      First I was thinking allowing any corporation to control a TLD seemed stupid and against the spirit of ICANN/"The Internet" - but you make an interesting point. If *.amazon guarantees you are going to an Amazon site and *.amazontypo isn't allowed because TLDs are carefully allocated instead of allowing any phisher to do it on Godaddy, it might be a good thing in that respect, at least...

    36. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by mindwhip · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately you have completely missed the point.

      And you forgot this is /. and you made a sweeping statement that is only correct in some cases and the incorrect cases were considered obvious by some.

      Expect the pedantic to jump on you and pummel you with their plastic lightsabers.

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    37. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to avoid most .biz sites, given that said TLD is usually used by spammers, and other unsavory types - despite the folks running it claiming "We mean business!"

      CAPTCHA - Scrutiny. How apropos.

    38. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      Well the world is bigger than the us so I can list a few legitt sites outside the gtlds you mention (non of the new ones yet) Skabdiabanken.no (my bank) uia.no (my university) nbim.no (norwegian petrolium fund) .... (many more) Ok they are in a national TLD but stil not in your list so my point is stil valid, and yjose mnew ones, well wether they will be used by scamers or not is lagergly up to the people who ended up with them, of the put good checkes in place. For example requiring that jou show proof that you are registered as a bank before being able to register a .bank tld, the scamers wil have a hard time

    39. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Still, he's correct that it's only *open* to US institutions. It's just that anyone who managed to get a domain before 2001 were grandfathered in.

    40. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't care. They google whatever their fancy, then click on the first link that appears.

    41. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Actually I go to a lot of websites using .de.

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    42. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by beelsebob · · Score: 0

      Plus, Jeff Bezos has a better claim to it amazon .com is a company. The amazon rainforest is not. The company has a much better claim to the .com than the not company. Maybe the amazon rainforest organisation should be going after .org.

    43. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by crutchy · · Score: 1

      icann is as corrupt as any corporation

    44. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i think it's moved

    45. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by crutchy · · Score: 1

      he has his own amazon women though

    46. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Sun · · Score: 1

      And, even when websites use country-specific domains, I see a lot them still using dot com with it -- for example "website.com.au"

      That's just ignorance on your part, I'm afraid.

      Some countries choose to have only a closed set of second level domain names under the country TLD. You see "com.au" because you cannot register "rudy.au" if you tried (yes, it's available :-). Same goes for "co.il" and "co.uk". Under others, the second level is free for all, such as ".fr" and ".tv". Each country decides for itself how it manages its own domain name.

      So when you see "com.au", it's because the company really had no other choice.

      Shachar

    47. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by ranulf · · Score: 2

      Frankly the Amazon rainforest is of much more importance to the health of our world than the company could ever be. And anyone who wants to promote that domain in the interest of protecting this world we live on has my blessing.

      Lucky we have other suitable domains for things like this, e.g. amazon.info...

    48. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Well I quite frequently use .uk websites, but your point is still valid.

    49. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      And whats wrong with books.amazon.com, or amazon.com/books ?

    50. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 1

      If you also discount the original crop of nationalised TLDs (eg: co.uk), then my browser history would indeed suggest it's pretty rare. However, past results are no guide to future performance and I'm sure there are some pretty smart, creative mofos out there who'd have a field day with the new TLDs.

      And I don't care who you are or what you sell, nations should get priority to TLDs over commercial entities. Bezos can go **** himself, over-inflated little ****.

    51. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      All the fucking time. Considering that my own website is on a .info and that I manage websites on country TLDs.

      That doesn't mean that the new GTLDs are not scams by ICANN, but still.

      I've said it before, I think the best bet is a distributed trust based system of domain management. PGP-like Web of Trust. Internet, make it happen!

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    52. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      All the time. .de, .it, .uk, .fr.................

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    53. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      For many of the country TLDs (e.g. .ch and .in) you are meant to have an address in that country. For some of them you even have to actually live there. But for many, e.g. .tv, .me, .be and other European and Pacific Island ones, you can register whatever, and however many you want, so long as you have the cash.

      The system is fucked. Who would have thought it.

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    54. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by rat7307 · · Score: 1

      There's a nation called Amazon?

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    55. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by mlk · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is likely, not down to branding but no one would go to "books.amazon[.com]" directly anyway.

      Most will go to google/bing/the magic bar thingie and type "books amazon". The "dot" is too "techy".

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    56. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by msauve · · Score: 1

      The same thing that's wrong with amazon.river or amazon.basin/river, I suppose.

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    57. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whats wrong with that, is that ICANN only gets paid for one com domain (a few dollars a year) instead of a nice 5 or 6 figure sum.

    58. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I'm going to type the same as I allways have Amazon.co.uk and Ebay,co.uk and very rarely the .com version.

      After all why would I be interested in most of the "America is great fuck yeah!" news on places like msn.com?

    59. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not counting all the new "clever" websites that use it as part of their name?

    60. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Will all these stupid new TLDs even be used? Right now, how often do you go to a legitimate website (non-spam, non-scam, non-malware) that doesn't use .com, .net, .org, .gov or .edu ? I'll bet it's pretty rare.

      Clearly you're American. I go to .uk sites all the time. The french go to .fr etc...

      And I can certainly see the benefit of porn being swept away to it's own .xxx domain.

      But yes, .amazon seems pointless for both the company and the geographical area. I suspect the company doesn't even want to use it as their primary domain, but just to stop anyone else using it.

      I suggest that companies should never be allowed to own their own TLD. TLDs are for broad categorisations and a single company is never that.

    61. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by TooTechy · · Score: 1

      It is likely that certain countries who dispute the DNS entries will just hijack that domain for local use. Such disagreements will lead to sub-domains and somewhat splinter the Internet.

      This is just selfish money grabbing by corporate giants and does not serve public interests.

    62. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by lxs · · Score: 1

      And here I was thinking youtu.be was hosted in Belgium...

    63. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Bramlet+Abercrombie · · Score: 1

      If and when they start using these new TLD I will boycott for life. I will never visit a site that uses them. You are wasting your money if you buy one.

    64. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      So, you propose ICANN be ran by a single individual!

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    65. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and they're even in the same supply chain, so this could be interesting.

    66. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      ICANN could make even more money:

      Once you visit ".amazon", you'd see a page saying: "which amazon did you mean? the rainforest, or the bookstore?"
      This would allow them to sell the TLD more than once. And, on the redirection page, they could show some ads as well!

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    67. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      icann is as corrupt as any corporation

      What do you think the "C" stands for?

    68. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always time for a non-sequitur and strawman anti-Google rant.

    69. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      you can register .cx outside Christmas Island

      Quick, a spoon! I need to gouge my eyes out real quick!
      (btw, that would have worked just as well with .ca, cz, and ch a couple of years ago...)

    70. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I go to www.techshop.ws all the time. (It's a legit site)

    71. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by chispito · · Score: 2

      Frankly the Amazon rainforest is of much more importance to the health of our world than the company could ever be. And anyone who wants to promote that domain in the interest of protecting this world we live on has my blessing.

      I'd wager that Amazon pushing less wasteful packaging has had a bigger impact on the environment than any rain forest themed website ever has.

      --
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    72. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand how TLDs work at all. amazon.river and amazon.basin would be two completely different TLDs owned by different companies or other entities (typically.) river.amazon and river.amazon.com would both be owned by Amazon as would basin.amazon and basin.amazon.com. In essence, Amazon is merely trying to take a whole TLD and the only "benefit" would be that people don't have to type ".com" at the end of the URL (in the rare instances they even have to type a URL at all). This is the ultimate act of a business giving the middle finger to the internet and how it is set up, and being willing to do so for almost zero advantage even to itself.

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    73. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by msauve · · Score: 1

      I understand exactly how TLDs work. You obviously have comprehension issues.

      1. Amazon applied for the amazon TLD, the complaining countries didn't bother. That shows how important it is to them.
      2. The GP was asking what was wrong with Amazon (the company) using x.amazon.com.
      3. My response was to simply imply that expecting them to do so is really no different than expecting the complaining countries to get a "river" or "basin" TLD, and build their amazon domains off that.

      As far as the rest of your comment goes - Amazon played by the rules. The complaining countries aren't.

      --
      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    74. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by threecolorable · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about .ca domains, but I've been meaning to register a .ch (Swiss) domain.

      I want a .ch domain because I'm Swiss (though I live in America), but no connection with Switzerland is required to register a .ch domain.

    75. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      #3 is stupid, and you are evidently intellectually challenged.

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    76. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Not as any *corporation*... ICANN is a non-profit sponsored mostly by governmental agencies. So they are blatantly politically motivated rather than monetarily.

      Still, I love how opening up TLDs is now somehow expanding "freedom and innovation" on the Internet - as long as you have $175k to apply for it.

    77. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by black6host · · Score: 1

      Could be, and I applaud any company that actually cares to change things to make a difference. This needn't be an either/or thing, both Amazons can co-exist. And I I said in my earlier post, I understand why Amazon (the company) would want to protect their brand. That's fine by me. But should the .amazon gTLD be dedicated to the rainforest and not abused, but rather used to increase public awareness and raise funds, change local practices that are detrimental, protect the indigenous population of all forms of life that live there, etc. then Amazon (the company) needn't be concerned.

    78. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by crutchy · · Score: 1

      So, you propose ICANN be ran by a single individual!

      yes... yes i do... it should be run by yoda

    79. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      Still, he's correct that it's only *open* to US institutions. It's just that anyone who managed to get a domain before 2001 were grandfathered in.

      .edu is open to institutions worldwide – solvay.edu and kit.edu are from 2003 and 2006 respectively.

      From educause's policy page:

      • Institutions that do not already hold a name in the .edu domain are eligible to receive one if they are post-secondary institutions that are institutionally accredited, i.e., the entire institution and not just particular programs, by agencies on the U.S. Department of Education's list of Nationally Recognized Accrediting Agencies.

      Being accredited by some US agency is necessary, being a US institution isn't however.

    80. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Because little Jeff Bezos ain't giving that up without a serious fight.

      He doesn't "have" it. He's applied for it. Different things.

      I applied for a quintillion dollar withdrawal from my bank account last night. That doesn't mean that I'm going to get it.

      --
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    81. Re: Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amazon.IcantBelieveYouAllWriteAboutThisShittySubject

    82. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      So, you propose ICANN be ran by a single individual!

      yes... yes i do... it should be run by yoda

      Yeah, because he did such a great job with the Jedi order. 99.how-many-9's percent killed?

      And let's not even talk about how screwed up his interpretation of The Prophecy was.

      No thanks.

      --
      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    83. Re:Hahahahahahahaha Muahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like he doesn't have much choice in the matter

  2. Why have TLDs at all? by Jeff+Fohl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes I wish there were no TLDs at all. They aren't really necessary. They actually make things worse, since any owner of a domain is forced to buy several TLD versions of their domain. They only make sense if you can actually enforce the meaning of the TLD, such as how .gov TLDs are enforced.

    1. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree, then we could organize the WWW in some meaningful way -> alt.technology. And then instead of twitter/faceook being the defacto stanard for communication, we could use IRC. Just imagine how much better the world would be if people didn't reinvent things that do a worse job then the original.

    2. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

      If they were used as intended, it would matter, but with all the campers you can't get the domain you want anyway (without shelling out a ton of cash).

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    3. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      AOL tried doing this with "keywords" without much success.

    4. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by darkfeline · · Score: 1

      That'll also have the pleasant^H^H^H^Hhorrible side effect of keeping all the stupid people out of any conversations. OH GOD FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Until eventually someone once again comes up with the bright idea of websitizing (honest to goodness word) IRC.

    5. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They actually make things worse, since any owner of a domain is forced to buy several TLD versions of their domain.

      Well there's your reason.

    6. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to think that TLDs were actually a very nice way of future-proofing. Certainly each country would want to have their own official services, and if you were in one TLD you could just omit it and have it implied. Of course, I didn't count on the truly global nature of the internet, and of course .com becoming universal, but whatever. I thought at least that the tld would become really useful when we wet out into space and bandwidth/latency limitations became intense to the point that it would be cheaper to reimplement foo.org.luna rather than foo.org.terra.

      But no, of course not. The point all the internet infrastructure is to allow people to post cuter url shorteners, go to domains like coca.cola, and brag about how rich they are by purchasing .name.

    7. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      By nature of the beast you have TLDs. Whether these are .com or .amazon - the last part of the domain name is a TLD. There is no way around it. Just like area codes and country codes on telephone numbers (but written the other way around), they help in sorting out some of the mess.

      The problem of course lies in how these TLDs are organised and managed. Having a few world-wide domains (.com, .org, .net, etc) plus national domains that can also basically be assigned world-wide is the big issue. Ditching these generic TLDs and requiring that only people or companies that actually are present in a certain area can get the area-specific TLD would solve a lot of that mess.

    8. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by TrollstonButtersbean · · Score: 1

      They actually make things worse, since any owner of a domain is forced to buy several TLD versions of their domain.

      Your point is on the mark, yet the argument is a bit invalid. Facebook becomes popular, company has to get its own name on Facebook. Twitter becomes popular, has to get own name on Twitter. Mobile becomes the new thing, company needs to ensure branding of mobile app. Nothing new here.

      The benefit to the market is free revenue from obsessive goofy companies that feel they need to own their name with every single TLD possible.

      This really isn't necessary, but free money from misguided companies is a good thing. If they are going to obsess about the wrong things in the world, they might as well be a source of plunder for their obsession.

    9. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Sorry to pop your myth but over the past decade I've registered several domains, and so far haven't even had to modify my name a little bit to find an available name. There are plenty of names available - unless you insist on <generic word>.com instead of <your company name>.com - replace .com by your own country's tld and you've got even more options.

      Just now I'm building up a new site, planning to register a name for it, and again: no problem. The name that I wanted is available. And this time it's a simple combination of two generic words.

    10. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Sometimes I wish there were no TLDs at all. They aren't really necessary. They actually make things worse, since any owner of a domain is forced to buy several TLD versions of their domain. .

      You don't understand. Yes, it's worse for you. But it's great for ICANN because it generates lots of money.

    11. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      They actually make things worse, since any owner of a domain is forced to buy several TLD versions of their domain.

      Your point is on the mark, yet the argument is a bit invalid. Facebook becomes popular, company has to get its own name on Facebook. Twitter becomes popular, has to get own name on Twitter. Mobile becomes the new thing, company needs to ensure branding of mobile app. Nothing new here.

      The benefit to the market is free revenue from obsessive goofy companies that feel they need to own their name with every single TLD possible.

      This really isn't necessary, but free money from misguided companies is a good thing.

      "company has to get its own name on Facebook" is irrelevant. That's not the issue. It's not about "obsessive goofy companies that feel they need to own their name with every single TLD possible". It's about a business being forced to spend a lot of money to protect themself from scammers trying to use their name. If Facebook doesn't register their name with every possible TLD, then you end up with facebook.xxx, facebook.sex, facebook.biz, facebook.info, and so on.

    12. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      And then instead of twitter/faceook being the defacto stanard for communication, we could use IRC. Just imagine how much better the world would be if people didn't reinvent things that do a worse job then the original.

      In the past I would have said the same, but these days I think that IRC is a clunky old piece of shit that has begged a redesign for a decade.

    13. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myth: Domain campers make it near impossible to get the name you want in most places without paying though the nose for the trouble:

      Anecdotal evidence for: 837913
      Anecdotal evidence against: 1

      OK. Myth remains unpopped.

    14. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      thankyou for your input mr kookookajoo kwijibo, owner of frapplefart technologies inc

    15. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      we should all have one of those telephone dialers with the wheel and all the holes for the numbers and you manually dial up ip addresses on it

      that would be as retro as automatic sliding doors in spacecraft that make a hissing sound when they open

    16. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Splab · · Score: 1

      Well, what then, when several companies have the same name? Just the US ones getting their name and everyone else has to change theirs or?

    17. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Without TLDs, a single namespace wouldn't be enough for all domains to fit in it. Furthermore, national TLDs are necessary so that governments can manage their own portion of the internet. Nobody is forced to buy more than one domain, but if they do they have to negotiate with its previous owners, ensuring that only companies who do business in the country will try to buy a local domain. The problem is with generic TLDs only.

    18. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Use their country's TLD of course. Like the US should have their own TLD, and use it too. that's what they are for.

      Now my company also has a .com while I'm really local .hk but that's to do with cost (.com is much cheaper) and ease of registration (back then it wasn't that easy to get a .hk domain as it is now - .com was dead easy though).

    19. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Without TLDs, a single namespace wouldn't be enough for all domains to fit in it.

      Sure it would. Some domain names just wouldn't be able to have domain names of their first choice. With 64 character limit for a domain name, and the 37 different characters available in non-internationalized domain names, there's 37^64 unique domain names available, significantly larger than the estimated number of particles in the known universe.

    20. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRC was a federated chat protocol (through server linkage). XMPP is the modern equivalent, but players like Facebook won't turn on federation.

    21. Re:Why have TLDs at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheek in tongue or serious, this very much.

      The Newsgroup hierarchy is far superior to the DNS. Not just in terms of organization, but on resources on the server-side since TLDs are pretty damn huge, which results in accessing large numbers of addresses just to find one website.
      Cutting down this in any way is always a good idea.
      root.country.serviceType.domain.sub.domains/directory/file.ext

      No continent bullshit, no useless TLDs being misused. Could go one further and force full country name and no silly 2 letter codes. (they should have been 3 by default or 2 if there is absolutely no way to make it longer. (UK being a good example of a 2 letter one, USA being an example of one that could be 3, what the hell is the US? That could mean anything, there are many united states around the world)
      Now instead of having to have DNS servers that are beefed out muscle men that could punch down skyscrapers, they could be something from 5 years ago and still have space for a couple decades of use.
      As for service type, this would allow for a company to register its domain for, say, email, TV, search, porn, whatever.
      This part of the service would be 100% regulated out the ass.
      Everything else? Don't want regulated website? Don't want to have to conform?
      Just get a root.country.misc address. (could probably create a better name for that, unreg, other, misc, similar)

      Now we have regulated part and unregulated part, people can do whatever the hell they want in unregulated part, even mimic other websites.
      Just warn the user when browsing websites that are on that subset of sites that they are more at risk from websites.
      Also, pricing for all tiers are the same. Some subsets are more heavily regulated than others, such as kids websites, money sites, education, banking, etc.
      Now, the best part. Who regulates all this? The thousands of new jobs it could create. Thousands.

      So, we went from a broken, greed-filled DNS to a glorious, job-creating service-efficient replacement. Where is my job?

  3. WWF by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Even the World Wrestling Federation eventually caved in to the world wildlife fund. It may have been for tax purposes, entertainment is treated differently than sport, but one does not win against the earth people.

    What Bezos needs to do buy and fund a TLD for the amazon. Obviously it is not going to be amazon. On the webpages have a link redirecting to the new domain. It will likely avoid huge legal costs and generate a good deal of good will.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:WWF by asshole+felcher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      WWF (the wrestlers) had a 1994-era legal agreement concerning international use of the wwf abbreviation which fucked them over.

    2. Re:WWF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They both missed an opportunity to merge and create the Wildlife Wrestling Foundation. TV series dedicated to wildlife wrestling could have supported both groups.

    3. Re:WWF by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      I think there is a big difference here, though. World Wildlife Federation is an existing entity, whereas this is just a collection of small and fairly insignificant governments with very little political clout. I also think that the wrestling people probably figured it was a battle not worth fighting, especially after having gone through the whole WCW>WWF merger. At that point, changing the name again wasn't really a big deal.

      Besides, it gave them an excuse to use macho advertising like "WWE: Get the F out!"

      Which you have to admit is pretty clever...

    4. Re:WWF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > just a collection of small and fairly insignificant governments with very little political clout
      Not even close. The three Amazon countries (Brazil, Columbia, Peru) aren't the EU or US, but they're not Micronesia either. Brazil is the world's 7th largest economy (GDP ~= $2.5 trillion), and would have no trouble in forcing the retailer to abandon the .amazon domain if they really wanted to.

    5. Re:WWF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WWF agreed to keep their initials to wrestling only whereas WWF would own the initials in everything else. Then a news reporter called the WWF the World Wrestlng Federation when not speaking about wrestling ... .

    6. Re:WWF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brazil is a small and insignificant government?
      what universe did you come from?

  4. And what about mythological warrior women? by Megahard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After all, that's the origin of the name.

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    1. Re:And what about mythological warrior women? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

      And what about mythological warrior women?

      The mythological warror woman lobby doesn't have as much influence as it used to. But I hear they're having a comeback.

    2. Re:And what about mythological warrior women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't mythological... they're real and have regular 'ol .com

    3. Re:And what about mythological warrior women? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "that's the origin of the name."
      no it isn't, it comes from Iran.

      What? you think they made up new words to describe the women warriors in the stories that were telling?

      --
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  5. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Do we really have to have this shit in EVERY FUCKING THREAD?

    Seriously. What the fuck.

  6. The original Amazons want their name back by giorgist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The original Amazons called and they want their name back from the rain forest.

  7. This Mess Was Predicted by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lots of people predicted that this new TLD system was going to be a mess. And... it is. Seems like it has become even more of a mess each month that goes by.

    I really have to wonder why anybody would have thought that it would NOT be a mess.

    1. Re:This Mess Was Predicted by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 2

      I really have to wonder why anybody would have thought that it would NOT be a mess

      Everyone has reasons to delude themselves. Making tonnes and tonnes of cash for doing nothing is a reason.

    2. Re:This Mess Was Predicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who thought it would not be a mess?

      "Let's sell new TLDs for loads of money"
      "Won't that be a clusterfuck?"
      "Er, yes, obviously. Will that stop us making money?"

  8. how to win by fazey · · Score: 1

    Buy an Island. Call it the "Amazon Island". Make a flag, national anthem, etc. Start a wikipedia page. File for the TLD, and launder your money through your nation. Make South America suck it because you won the TLD, and no more taxes if you shop at amazon.amazon.

  9. free market by thoth · · Score: 1

    Haha, well I thought the free market was the savior and one true holy way to organize everything. Just let them settle it that way, bid it out.

  10. That was the point of the original TLDs by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazon the company could be amazon.com. Amazon the environmental organization could be amazon.org (if it weren't parked and likely squatted). Amazon the ISP (if there was one) coupld be amazon.net. etc.

    But noooo, some bozos in charge decided that increasing the number of namespace collisions will somehow be better for their bank accou^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe Internet.

    1. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Note that there's no company called "Amazon". The one that's behind http://amazon.com/ is actually registered as Amazon.com, Inc.

    2. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by darkfeline · · Score: 1

      Well, fuck. They really screwed themselves over, didn't they? "Our new URL: amazon.com.amazon"

    3. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by adolf · · Score: 1

      Or amazon.com.com, but they'd hate the cnet affiliation.

    4. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      There's a yo dawg joke in there somewhere...

    5. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by dumb+kid · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are going for the Bizzaro World market and want to use com.Amazon

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    6. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by dlgeek · · Score: 1
      And they have many subsidiaries including:
      • Amazon Services LLC
      • Amazon Digital Services, Inc.
      • Amazon Web Services, Inc.
      • Amazon EU SÃrl
      • Amazon Europe Holding Technologies SCS
      • Amazon Fulfillment Services, Inc.
      • Amazon Services International, Inc.
      • Amazon Corporate LLC
      • Amazon Technologies, Inc.

      which all use the term "Amazon" without the ".com".

    7. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most importantly, Amazon in Portuguese is Amazonia.

    8. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, fuck. They really screwed themselves over, didn't they?

      When choosing a non-unique name that is an actual place yes. Naming your company Amazon makes sense if you are a very small company since people will already be familiar with the word and you get some free name recognition that way. Once people start to actually know your company you have a problem since Amazon can't be trademarked.
      It was short-sighted of them and they should suffer from it.

    9. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no that is the bezos world....

    10. Re:That was the point of the original TLDs by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Nope, I think that's the Soviet Russia version.

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  11. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just ignore him; don't vote him down and do not respond. These comments, and especially the downvoting, just encourage his behavior (i.e., the paranoia that he is being "suppressed"). Eventually he will run out of money or see a psychologist (hopefully the latter, mentally ill people need treatment). If you personally knew the guy, chances are you would feel sorry for him. Try to let this guide your views on the internet. We're all actually people.

  12. Your not locked to any DNS tree. You can choose. by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    No one makes you use any particular DNS server tree. In fact you can use many. You could even have a search path for various trees. This is why it is dumb for Government/courts to block/take domain names. One can always use an alt DNS system that is out of reach from the law. That domain name system could be searched first and then fall back on the IANA one.

  13. on a slightly related issue by rossdee · · Score: 1

    How are the pipfruit producers of the world doing in their battle to reclaim their good name form the company formerly run by Steve Jobs?

    1. Re:on a slightly related issue by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 4, Funny

      How are the pipfruit producers of the world doing in their battle to reclaim their good name form the company formerly run by Steve Jobs?

      They're holding out for the payout to ripen before squeezing for a juicy settlement.

    2. Re:on a slightly related issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you hear that from an incider?

    3. Re:on a slightly related issue by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Depends which Apple you mean :

            Apple Corps Ltd
            Apple Inc.
            Apple Bank for Savings
            Apple, British psychedelic rock band
            Apple, Oklahoma, USA

      or any one of the worlds Apple producers....?

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    4. Re:on a slightly related issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are the pipfruit producers of the world doing in their battle to reclaim their good name form the company formerly run by Steve Jobs?

      They're holding out for the payout to ripen before squeezing for a juicy settlement.

      They'd be better off going for low-hanging fruit.

  14. Isn't "Amazon" English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why not fight for Amazonas or Amazona instead?

    1. Re:Isn't "Amazon" English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because South American governments don't actually give a fuck about the rain forest, they do like money though.

    2. Re:Isn't "Amazon" English by msauve · · Score: 1

      ...and if the TLD is so important to them, why didn't those countries file an application for it? Amazon, the company, is the only one who did.

      They're acting like juvenile children - "MOMMY! I don't have a candy bar - Joey shouldn't have one, either!"

      --
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    3. Re:Isn't "Amazon" English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why should the rest of the world Panda to Merkin corporate greed?

  15. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 0

    Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

    Say what you want about this guy, he has some good ideas. Why wouldn't someone polluting /.'s chat have their network range blocked from posting?

  16. This explains a lot by PPH · · Score: 1

    I was wondering whatever became of the Panda smackdown.

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  17. Rainforest helps who exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do indigenous people with special "indigenous rights" -- rights that I apparently don't have, because I belong to a second class non-indigenous race -- ever help anyone with anything? Why do we owe them a favor?

    Just wondering.

    1. Re:Rainforest helps who exactly? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      The problem is there's no such thing as "indigenous people". There's an old saying -- "If you go back far enough, everyone came from somewhere else".

  18. Life or Work? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    This may be an odd perspective, but I see this as a question of which philosophy do you agree with more?

    (a) I work to live
    (b) I live to work

    I think that people who believe (a) are going to think that the .amazon TLD should go to some sort of amazon conservatory organization because life is more important than commerce.

    While I would expect those who identify with (b) to be in favor of amazon.com owning the .amazon TLD. Because for those people, business is more important than life. Maybe not their life, but life of the general population.

    Obviously I think (b) is a very small group. However, as small as it is, I would not be surprised to find that group (b) is largely populated by CxO types.

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    1. Re:Life or Work? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      This may be an odd perspective, but I see this as a question of which philosophy do you agree with more?

      (a) I work to live
      (b) I live to work

      I think that people who believe (a) are going to think that the .amazon TLD should go to some sort of amazon conservatory organization because life is more important than commerce.

      While I would expect those who identify with (b) to be in favor of amazon.com owning the .amazon TLD. Because for those people, business is more important than life. Maybe not their life, but life of the general population.

      Obviously I think (b) is a very small group. However, as small as it is, I would not be surprised to find that group (b) is largely populated by CxO types.

      It's neither. The issue here, in my opinion, is putting things to good use and avoiuding confusion (and potential mischief). Creating a TLD of .amazon makes no sense.

      If you give it to "some amazon conservatory organization" how many websites are they actually going to create with a URL of "something.amazon"? One? Two? What's wrong with "conserveamazon.org" or something like that? Where is the need for an entire new TLD?

      If you give it to amazon (the business), what's the point? They have spent years branding themself as Amazon Dot Com. Everything they do says Amazon Dot Com. There simply is no need for creating a whole new TLD.

    2. Re:Life or Work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creating a TLD of .amazon makes no sense.

      Whether new TLDs should exist is out of scope here. That is a problem for ICANN.

    3. Re:Life or Work? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And The Amazon spent decades with the name and branding themselves before Amazon.com existed.

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  19. This is probably a brand-protection scheme by sethradio · · Score: 1

    Amazon probably wants the .amazon tld to protect the "intellectual property" of their name. I'm sick of marketroids.

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    1. Re:This is probably a brand-protection scheme by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      Amazon probably wants the .amazon tld to protect the "intellectual property" of their name..

      Yes, I'm sure they do. And there's nothing wrong with that. But an easier way to do it is simpley don't create a TLD of .amazon. Problem solved.

    2. Re:This is probably a brand-protection scheme by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Amazon probably wants the .amazon tld to protect the "intellectual property" of their name..

      Yes, I'm sure they do. And there's nothing wrong with that. But an easier way to do it is simpley don't create a TLD of .amazon. Problem solved.

      That's no solution at all - ICANN dosen't get its big fat cheque!

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  20. Re:Your not locked to any DNS tree. You can choose by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Great opportunity for squatters/scammers. With all its drawbacks I still prefer the current system over your proposal. It's just that much more reliable.

  21. A TLD is a huge namespace... by Brucelet · · Score: 2

    If ICANN were actually managing this crap sanely it wouldn't be that hard to share. No reason that conservation.amazon and shopping.amazon couldn't both exist under different ownership.

    1. Re:A TLD is a huge namespace... by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      If ICANN were actually managing this crap sanely it wouldn't be that hard to share. No reason that conservation.amazon and shopping.amazon couldn't both exist under different ownership.

      Exactly! No one should own a top level domain. Imagine if the internet started that way and one company bought the entire .com TLD. This is exactly what we are seeing now.

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    2. Re:A TLD is a huge namespace... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! No one should own a top level domain. Imagine if the internet started that way and one company bought the entire .com TLD...

      Then everybody would have websites outside of the .com namespace, and who's to say it would be worse than what we have now? I don't necessarily disagree with you and the GP, but you're not making a good argument.

  22. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Dear poster,
    Please add the following line to your host file(s):
    0.0.0.0 slashdot.org

  23. The 1990s called... by erroneus · · Score: 1

    ...and they want their "something or other" back.

    Oh, we're not doing that?

  24. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't care about that deep analysis that you keep posting. Register an account if you don't want to worry about impersonators.

  25. Re:NOBODY CARES by crutchy · · Score: 1

    pathetic... it only took me like 10 seconds to scroll past all that. at least apk leaves the whole thread basically unusable

  26. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by crutchy · · Score: 1

    either that or

    127.0.0.1 slashdot.org

  27. What RPMs for Jon Postel by now? by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 1

    That sound you hear? Jon Postel has been spinning so much he broke a bearing. Again.

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  28. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by crutchy · · Score: 1

    this can't be the real apk because it's missing the infamous buggy python string reversing function :)

  29. Forest is .amazonica, not .amazon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only in English is it the "Amazon Rainforest."

    In Brasil's native Portuguese, it's Floresta AmazÃnica.

    Amazon.com gets .amazon, and the rainforest gets .amazonica

    Problem solved.

  30. Really by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Nobody has used .amazon yet and nobody has forgotten about the bloody rainforest before it existed.

    Also its South American governments that are stripping the rainforest clean, not sure they want to shine a brighter light on that...all they have to do is just stop doing that and the problem is solved.

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  31. let me settle this right now by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    NOBODY is going to use anything but a .com ending so it really doesn't matter.

  32. Amazon by promixr · · Score: 1

    What Amazon should do is make a deal with the South American governements to donate something towards the protection of the rainforests every year. Since it is a top level domain, Amazon can allow registration of other domains that are related to the cause. Problem solved.

  33. Amazonas by Dresden+Sparrow · · Score: 1

    In Brazil this area is referred to as The Amazonas. I imagine in the surrounding Spanish speaking countries as well. That is the one that should be used for whatever boring purposes the government may have in the future.

  34. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't anything remain pure?

  35. who would care about reading my views....but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    many regions have won the right for producing regional products using the region name as a brand or origin certificate.

    That's why you can buy Champagne (made in france, in the champagne region) or "Sparkling" wine (Champagne made somewhere else).

    Some other products share this privilege.

    Why suddenly other regions have to surrender it's "Brand" when there's no tangible product associated, but an economic activity like tourism (patagonia), or a biologic concept (amazon).

    Double standards FTW....

  36. Forests are bad when angry.. by Destoo · · Score: 1

    Forests get more pissed off than Lakes when you anthropomorphise them. They reeeeealy hate it.
    Not as much as Mountains, but still. I'd stay away and pay up if I were Amazon. Or ex-Amazon

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  37. Re:SLASHDOT WILL BE SUED BY ME.... apk by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Look at all you wrote, as AC. Look a tthe efort you are going through over some issue with a web site.

    Seriously, you have a mental issue and need to talk to a professional psychologist or psychiatrist.
    It might be a simple anger issue, or you might be suffering from delusional paranoia. Maybe even schizophrenia.

    Please, get help before you hurt someone.

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  38. amazon.org by jtara · · Score: 1

    amazon.org would be more appropriate.

    It's parked on GoDaddy and registered to an anonymous registrant.