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Politician Wants Sci-fi To Be Mandatory In School

Avantare writes "The first sci-fi novel I read was A Wrinkle in Time; the next was Dune. Why don't more people read these extraordinarily imaginative books? Delegate Ray Canterbury, who represents Greenbrier County in southern WV, wants to help with that. Canterbury introduced House Bill 2983, which reads, 'To stimulate interest in math and science among students in the public schools of this state, the State Board of Education shall prescribe minimum standards by which samples of grade-appropriate science fiction literature are integrated into the curriculum of existing reading, literature or other required courses for middle school and high school students.' For decades, walking around with a paperback sci-fi novel in your back pocket at school was the quickest way to find yourself permanently excluded from the cool-kid clique. But what if it wasn't just the geeks who read Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke? What if science fiction was mandatory reading for all students?"

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  1. By Science Fiction, does he mean.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Creationism?

    1. Re:By Science Fiction, does he mean.... by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm quite interested in Dune not being sci-fi, because that's so ridiculous it should be on a meme.

      Dune's setting is carefully constructed to enforce semi-medieval status, from Butlerian jihad banning computers to forcefields that force melee combat to the return of feudalism. This effectively weeds out any sci-fi tropes. At the same time it has a hearty dose of fantasy tropes, from witches to ghosts possessing their descendants to magical worm-juice that grants precognition.

      Dune is high fantasy with spaceships (who's pilots need magical worm-juice to fly them). It's sci-fi in the same sense Spelljammer is.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    2. Re:By Science Fiction, does he mean.... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm quite interested in Dune not being sci-fi, because that's so ridiculous it should be on a meme.

      This one puzzles me as well. As a general rule, you are allowed one "impossible" thing in sci-fi. In Dune, that one thing is the spice. Admittedly, it both warps perceptions of time and space in addition to allowing the Spacing Guild to warp space to match their imposed perception, but that's still all tied to to one thing.

      Everything else I can think of is scientifically credible, though much of it requires more discipline than today's human race can generally summon. But that was Herbert's genius. His humans 10K years into the future were evolutionarily more advanced, but still fundamentally humans and not, for example, aliens in human costumes or vice versa.

  2. Wrinkle by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I went to school (I'm 46), "Wrinkle in Time" was on the curriculum.

    1. Re: Wrinkle by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look where that got us. The current crop of politicians thought 1984 was an instruction manual.

    2. Re: Wrinkle by kilodelta · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hell, I did Catholic schools - the reading list for freshman year of high school had books like Brave New World, Black Like Me, 1984, Animal Farm, and a whole bunch more that I've temporarily forgotten but my memory will jog to it eventually.

      Kind of happy I did Catholic as opposed to Public schools for the first 12 years. If there's two things they pushed in those schools it was heavy amounts of reading, and critical thinking. Made me a better atheist.

  3. Failing of State Education Boards by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not in favor of legislative mandates for any kinds of curriculum. That said, I do agree with Canterbury's position that science fiction needs to be included in the types of literature covered in school. That the various education boards have overlooked the mainstream SiFi authors like Clarke and Asimov is a symptom of a deeper failure in their processes.

    Personally, I'd throw in a little Lovecraft. Just so more people will get my Cthulhu references.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  4. No - that is called Fantasy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And though Science Fiction is usually combined with Fantasy, there is a rather BIG difference...

    Science Fiction (at least GOOD science fiction) tries to stick with only one violation of physics (frequently the speed of light, other times just that something is easy to do - such as neural implants). Each additional violation weakens the "science" into fantasy. Good Science Fiction focuses on the characters, and the physics violations are only a transport to get to a situation.

    Fantasy, on the other hand, allows all kinds of physics violations - at the whim of the author when they can't figure out how to resolve a situation - POOF, a miracle (some god or other magical being/device) fixes/saves the character. Good fantasy doesn't even focus on the magical issues - they focus on the characters. Unfortunately, many fantasy authors cannot keep their "magic" coherent (and I include JK Rowling in this group - fortunately, the focus on characters greatly exceeds the magic.. most of the time).

    1. Re:No - that is called Fantasy. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good Science Fiction focuses on the characters

      Good fantasy doesn't even focus on the magical issues - they focus on the characters.

      You could have saved yourself some typing by just stating that good fiction focuses on the characters, no matter what the genre.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    2. Re:No - that is called Fantasy. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, not necessarily. There's a lot of good sci-fi that doesn't focus so much on individual characters, but rather social issues, how a new technology affects society, etc.

  5. Re:Congress can Butt Out. by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, I'd say this is the correct level of curriculum decision by legislators: Guidelines are being decided, but the actual curriculum (i.e. what books are actually read) are left up to the teachers/schools. Considering how broad "sci-fi" is as a writing field, and how arbitrary the reading choices are in pre-college English classes anyway, this is hardly forcing a massive shift in what is being taught.

  6. Re:No by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, this is a ridiculous idea - quality literature should indeed be mandatory for educational curriculum, but specifically highlighting a particular genre is arrogant.

    I don't know ... sci-fi is a valid literary genre that is traditionally under-represented in K-12 English courses. It is also a genre that supposedly leads more of its readers into science/math fields (which according to TFA the state is lacking in). This legislation makes a small change in legislative mandate to the school curriculum (that the legislature already makes mandates about) in order to balance things better and advance areas they're currently lacking in.

  7. Re:A Wrinkle In Time was a great book by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's usually a sliding ground between them - if you look at books like the Dragonriders of Pern you have a wide spectra.

    It's also possible to look at Science Fiction from the perspective of trying an idea - which Heinlein was doing a lot - take an idea and write a story around it. Not all ideas are realistic, but it can still be a seed for a nice story.

    There are also the dystopian stories like Nineteen Eighty-Four, THX 1138 and Kallocain.

    Add to it the movie and TV series Max Headroom, which really is interesting since it looks much like the future we are heading to. "This is Edison Carter, Live and Direct...".

    Science Fiction is a great package for "Thinking outside the box" stories.

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    If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  8. If you want to kill a piece of literature... by yesterdaystomorrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... make it part of the English lit. curriculum. All of the "classics" were popular literature in their time. Shakespeare was extremely popular in the USA in the 19th century. Now, though, few read the classics for pleasure. I think that's partly because in high school most are taught to hate them.

    1. Re:If you want to kill a piece of literature... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I opened this /. article to make a similar kind of argument. If you want people to like Sci Fi, this is not the way. Schools will find a way to make you hate it.

      They can make ANYTHING totally dreadful. Even things I studied in my spare time while at school, I hated the classroom version of the same issue. A good example is Quantum Mechanics, with its weird and interesting phenomena. In QM at school I was told to memorize some stupid patterns that I never saw again (my profession is not even close to physics though), not even touching the really interesting stuff. They will find a way to do the same thing with Sci Fi. I think this has to do with the idea that "everyone should be able to learn" every subject. They make it into stuff that has no more "understanding" in it, only some method or ruleset to memorize and repeat parrot fashion. And maybe it has to do with it having to be something that can be taught for a specified x hours and then be tested thoroughly in a formalized test.

      Well, that, and the fact that now all your classmates also know the stuff, so it no longer makes you feel special to know it I suppose :)

  9. Please no by russotto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you want to kill a kid's joy in something, make it a school assignment. If you want to make absolutely sure, make them write a paper on it. For extra credit, give them a reading assignment they absolutely do not have the background to understand (e.g. Slaughterhouse 5 before they've even heard about WWII).

    Let's let the schools continue to ruin horrid bits of literature, like Willa Cather and Herman Melville. Leave the SF to people who like reading.

    1. Re:Please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most people that like reading see science fiction as garbage. It's the geek equivalent of romance novels that are sold at the supermarket for a dollar.

  10. Re:Congress can Butt Out. by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meh, before iPads it was something else. Looking back over the decades, students who seek out reading have always been few and far between, and it is not unusual for them to be stigmatized or even punished for it. We are not a nation that values education or reading and never have been, our heros and role models are generally people who get rich through hard work and force of personalty, with extra points if they did it with a minimal education. iPads might be one of the current toys, but the problem is much more pervasive and deeply rooted in our culture.

  11. Re:A Wrinkle In Time was a great book by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Informative

    And you forget Huxley's "Brave New World". That's a classic!

  12. Re:TOO MUCH FREAKING MEDIA!!! by VanGarrett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This politician's point isn't about making children read his favorite books because they're his favorites. He wants children and teenagers to read Science Fiction because it makes science and math interesting, which in turn, turns more of our youth to those fields of study. I seldom agree with politicians, but this guy is absolutely right-- if we want to improve ourselves as a species, we need to get our youth interested in these subjects. Getting them to read Science Fiction is one good approach.