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YouTube To Offer Subscription Service This Week

jfruh writes "According to an email from a Google spokesman, YouTube will be offering a $1.99/month subscription service as early as this week. This service will 'bring even more great content to YouTube for our users to enjoy and provide our creators with another vehicle to generate revenue from their content,' though there was no indication of what content will be offered through the service exactly. YouTube has offered rentals for specific videos before but this is the first time the service would go head-to-head with subscription services like Netflix."

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  1. guess they didn't listen to us by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Slashdot vote was pretty clear!

  2. Ads by Teppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd definitely pay $2/month to remove the damn ads. Same goes for Hulu - why don't they have this option?

    1. Re:Ads by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      in-fucking-deed....

      Especially since they seem to have no tailoring to my interest so I get tons of ads for cruises, crappy insurance and other completely uninteresting things.
      It has gotten annoying enough in some cases to make me download the clips in bulk via scripting instead of using the website... sigh

    2. Re:Ads by rudy_wayne · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd definitely pay $2/month to remove the damn ads

      Or just use AdBlock.

    3. Re:Ads by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you look at Hulu's gross income as a company vs # of subscribers times the subscription cost, you'd be paying A LOT of money to not see ads. Hulu is basically a miniature TV channel where the per use cost is low and the ad revenues are everything. Netflix is like a horrible business plan that only picks up worthless, awful movies and horribly outdated TV shows then throws in one mega hit once in a while to attempt to impress people. Really, neither work. At $1.99 instead of Netflix prices, Youtube cannot possibly afford to offer anything of value.

    4. Re:Ads by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I've never seen an advertisement on Youtube.

      me neither.

      a friend of mine sees them all the time, on the same network. I haven't consciously even put up a block for them and you would think they would have an antiblocking system in place..

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    5. Re:Ads by JWW · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, youtube has nothing that anyone wants to watch. They ought to just shut it down already, its just a wasteland with no viable content at all.....

    6. Re:Ads by Teppy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, how much? I'd bet my time is worth far more than the ad revenue they get from me. For instance, Super Bowl ads this year averaged $4M/minute to reach an audience of 111M viewers. So that's $4.34/hour/viewer. For the Super Bowl. So let's assume the cat-video-watching audience is worth more than the Super Bowl watching audience. For my $2/month subscription I'd be able to skip 25 minutes of solid ads. Again, no-brainer, at least for me.

    7. Re:Ads by nimbius · · Score: 1, Funny

      http://adblockplus.org/
      that'll be $2 please.

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    8. Re:Ads by Xemu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd definitely pay $2/month to remove the damn ads. Same goes for Hulu - why don't they have this option?

      It will go the same way as cable. First you pay $2/month to remove the ads. Then you pay $4,$8,$16 and then they put the ads back in as well.

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    9. Re:Ads by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Maybe your copy isn't up to date? I use AdBlock at work, along with Ghostery and a few other extensions, and I...err...a coworker that has the same extensions...never sees an ad on YouTube. And at home, I use a variation on AdBlock in Safari, along with a hosts file I grabbed somewhere ages ago, and they effectively block everything as well.

      The hosts file I have also successfully blocks the ads on Hulu. The issue with that, however, is that Hulu can tell when it's serving up ads, and if it doesn't serve up an ad, it replaces each ad with a 1 minute notice that you should turn off your ad blocker. I chose to keep the 1.5-2 minute commercial breaks instead of having 3-4 minutes of silence happening several times in each hour-long show.

    10. Re:Ads by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      This. I wondered why people were complaining about ads before YouTube videos as I never got them. Adblock just transparently makes them disappear. Same goes for ads in Facebook, Google search results, etc...

    11. Re:Ads by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Youtube has advertising? Dang - I didn't know that. I just opened my Youtube home page. Black Mambas, funniest racist commercial, DDG gunnery exercise, stupid motorcycle riders, Bagram air crash, Arab Olympics fail, Thanatamersis, Nixie Pixel, Hippo destroys lion pride - - - Tons of stuff, but no advertisements. Maybe advertisers don't support Netgear routers that have been flashed or something? Here, have a nice Tomato, prepared by Toastman!

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    12. Re:Ads by seededfury · · Score: 1

      Adblock Plus blocks all youtube ads for free.

    13. Re:Ads by dzfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he meant it has nothing that anybody wants to pay to watch. It's popular right now because it's free, but cat videos may not pay the hosting service by themselves.

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    14. Re:Ads by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Interestingly some platforms don't support ads, such as my Panasonic smart TV. It never displays any advertising at all, and I doubt it will ever be "fixed".

      Someone needs to come up with a working ad-blocker for the Android YouTube app.

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    15. Re:Ads by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Can AdBlock block the ads embedded in the video? I don't recall that function.

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    16. Re:Ads by jeffy210 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, youtube has nothing that anyone wants to watch. They ought to just shut it down already, its just a wasteland with no viable content at all.....

      Can't tell if troll, sarcastic or informative....

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    17. Re:Ads by Cammi · · Score: 1

      You had the option with Hulu Plus when it first came out. Then Hulu decided to backtrack after 2 months and put the ads back in ... You seriously can't trust the corrupt companies ...

    18. Re:Ads by Seumas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd pay $2/mo to get rid of all the "featured" panels on the interface and all the juvenile crap from teenage morons that cater to a massive mouth-breathing audience of children (I keep seeing shit from guys named Fred and Tobuscus and Pewdiepie and other crap all the time). For that matter, dump all the "boobs and brain-dead response videos" crap and I'll definitely pay $2/mo for what's left.

      I primarily watch stuff like lectures from Stanford, hardware demos, high end hardware builds being benchmarked, etc. Yet, what do they keep spamming me with? Fucking idiot teenagers spending 20 minutes showing you how to do your makeup or spending ten minutes showing you everything they just bought at the mall (seriously, this is apparently a whole genre of videos now).

      How can a company with such a claim to targeted advertising now get this shit right?

    19. Re:Ads by Cammi · · Score: 1

      Except that's not true at all. At least not with Chrome + AdBlock

    20. Re:Ads by dunezone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if everyone started using Adblock these websites would disappear or force people into a subscription. A large portion of their operating costs are supported by the advertisements that Adblock will block.

    21. Re:Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The mating call of the entitled narcissist.

    22. Re:Ads by citizenr · · Score: 1

      and I dont recall ads embedded in video on Youtube

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    23. Re:Ads by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I see them a lot more on my phone and tablet than I ever do on my desktop... guess they consider mobile users a more captive audience... still don't like a 15-30 second commercial for a 1-2 minute clip.

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    24. Re:Ads by happylight · · Score: 1

      I use Chrome + AdBlock and I never see any YouTube ads at all.

    25. Re:Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It will go the same way as cable.

      No. The difference is that digital streaming like YouTube or Netflix must compete. Cable systems own their regions and milk their subscribers. Streaming systems will never be able to jack rates like cable because they're fungible.

    26. Re:Ads by gman003 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Use the Firefox version. The Chrome version lacks several important features - the most significant one being that the Firefox version actually stops the blocked content from being downloaded, while the Chrome one only stops it from being displayed, due to Chrome not supporting that level of control in an extension. I would not be surprised if blocking video ads was also beyond the ability of the Chrome version.

    27. Re:Ads by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      You should pay more attention. They're there.

                -dZ.

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    28. Re:Ads by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      i remeber that using the experimental 64 bit flash plugin used to stop most hulu ads from playing when i watched hulu on ubuntu but maybe it was just me idk

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    29. Re:Ads by gencha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, exactly. He wants to pay for a service. LOL! What an idiot. AMIRITE?

    30. Re:Ads by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I do is when my show starts, I just take click toward the end of the show, after the last commercial but before the end. (Don't let it hit the very end.)

      A commercial will play, then put I'll it back at the beginning. Enjoy a commercial free show from that point forward.

      Hitting reload resets and you have to start over. I use Opera but I imagine it works with any browser.

    31. Re:Ads by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 1

      I guess this no longer works. I should have checked before I posted.

    32. Re:Ads by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      It will go the same way as cable.

      No. The difference is that digital streaming like YouTube or Netflix must compete. Cable systems own their regions and milk their subscribers. Streaming systems will never be able to jack rates like cable because they're fungible.

      Had to actually look that one up, never ran across it before. Thanks for broadening my vocabulary! ;o)

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    33. Re:Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd definitely pay $2/month to remove the damn ads. Same goes for Hulu - why don't they have this option?

      It will go the same way as cable. First you pay $2/month to remove the ads. Then you pay $4,$8,$16 and then they put the ads back in as well.

      This is already happening. Anything you buy from Fox networks on iTunes now contains ads embedded in the show/movie you download.

    34. Re:Ads by drinkypoo · · Score: 3

      Because if everyone started using Adblock these websites would disappear or force people into a subscription. A large portion of their operating costs are supported by the advertisements that Adblock will block.

      If they can't exist without ads I can't block, then I don't care if they can exist. I simply refuse to give up my brain to advertising. I need that space for minecraft and Doctor Who.

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    35. Re:Ads by hedwards · · Score: 1

      A large part of the problem with those services is that they suck. Netflix's streaming library is still tiny compared with it's disc library, but the cost is the same. It blew my mind that people weren't going to be outraged by the change to online only for the same price as the disc service.

      Similarly for Hulu, you have to watch ads either way, subscription gets you the ability to watch some of it on your TV, and programs may well still be delayed, unless you're a subscriber to one of the partner TV providers. And in some cases the delay can be up to a month.

    36. Re:Ads by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure they've got it right. Those things would likely make you less unfriendly and a bit more socially acceptable.

    37. Re:Ads by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Please, someone mod parent up. I can't believe people are so selfish: These sites give you content in exange for ads, if you don't like the deal just don't go there.

    38. Re:Ads by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Please, someone mod parent up. I can't believe people are so selfish: These sites give you content in exange for ads, if you don't like the deal just don't go there.

      I'd happily accept ads, providing that I knew they weren't going to infect my machine with malware of some kind. So until that happens, no ads. Perhaps said companies should get their act in order, and fix the "we're going to let shady companies advertise on our networks" problem. There's nothing selfish in that, it's prevention and removal of a headache. In the very worst cases with that malware mentioned above, it requires a nuking of the OS. I have no desire to deal with that anymore.

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    39. Re:Ads by antdude · · Score: 1

      I don't get why Hulu Plus still has ads for paying members, but then cable TV and others have ads too. Originally, they didn't! Lame. I doubt YouTube will remove ads for paid subscribers. :P

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    40. Re:Ads by Inconexo · · Score: 1

      In your browser. Not in mine.

    41. Re:Ads by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      if you don't like the deal just don't go there.

      Which is obviously much more beneficial for them, because that way they get less ad impressions and less word of mouth.

      These sites give you content in exange for ads

      No they don't, they give advertisers potential sales in exchange for money. You are the product being sold to advertisers. There is no burden of responsibility on the user's part to purchase anything from the advertisers, or to look at the ads. It's the burden of responsibility of the site to give you a compelling reason to be their product. Bombarding the user with easily circumvented malware riddled spam every time they try to use their site is not a brilliant plan, yet it still seems to pay off even with the moderate number of people that sidestep this disincentive.

      There are other ways to associate a brand with your content in exchange for money. The kind of ads that are blocked by adblock are only blocked so trivially because they a delivered in such a disassociated, spamlike fashion.

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    42. Re:Ads by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So everybody should install AdBlock to stop the site's revenue stream and then complain when they replace ads with a paywall?

    43. Re:Ads by pepty · · Score: 1

      It will go the same way as cable.

      No. The difference is that digital streaming like YouTube or Netflix must compete. Cable systems own their regions and milk their subscribers. Streaming systems will never be able to jack rates like cable because they're fungible.

      Even worse than that: the monthly caps that cable systems place on subscribers will primarily hit streaming companies like Netflix, especially as HD streaming becomes more common. On the other hand, a streaming service that is partnered with your cable/ISP will not count toward your cap. Neat, huh?

    44. Re:Ads by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yeah! It should all be free but supported by ads, but i'm smart so i'll show those greedy corporations that they can't advertise to me by using adblock! No way i'm using 0.00000001 cents worth of my internet quota to download an ad to help pay for the content that i'm getting, all content should be free because information wants to be free!

    45. Re:Ads by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      when you can't make a substantiated or specific argument, just accuse someone of spreading FUD!

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  3. Of course not by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2

    While the poll may be a valid indicator of what the tech crowd desires, it's not a good indicator for the general public.
    Plus, the rules are different now.
    It seems clear that the basic YouTube service will be free. The pay service will be for premium content. There seems to be less resistance to that.

    1. Re:Of course not by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems clear that the basic YouTube service will be free. The pay service will be for premium content.

      "Premium Content". I laugh every time I hear that phrase.

      What exactly would this "Premium Content" be? What do they have in that crappy little window that is so wonderful and "Premium" that I will gladly pay them for it?

    2. Re:Of course not by HaZardman27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      TV shows and movies I would suspect.

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    3. Re: Of course not by alen · · Score: 1

      The dumb teenie video blogs where some kid comlains about the hard life of twenty first century first world high school

    4. Re:Of course not by stfvon007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Extended editions of cat videos.

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    5. Re:Of course not by Black+LED · · Score: 2

      I doubt it will really change much because people can still monetize their channels with adverts. Some will try to make the extra money grab with premium content, as you say, but I doubt many will.

      So long as the subscription is actually monthly and doesn't require any long term commitment, I wouldn't have a problem paying if I noticed something that I really wanted to see. It might even provide motivation for better content.

    6. Re: Of course not by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, dude, high school really is unfair! Hey, kids studied the multiplication table in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! In high school, it's just assumed that you should be able to multiply without resorting to a verbal recitation of the table. The least they could do, is to post the table at the front of the room.

      But, worse - they expect you to divide, add, subtract, AND multiply, all in the very same equation! It's INSANE, I tell you! Stupid formulas, new rules, geometry, trig, calc - it just goes on and on, with no end in sight!

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    7. Re:Of course not by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      What exactly would this "Premium Content" be?

      Videos that are more expensive to produce than advertisers alone are willing to pay for.

    8. Re: Of course not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad? My high school was on top of a mystical convergence and was full of vampires, witches, and demons. Even worse, my English teacher forced me to read the Great Gatsby.

    9. Re:Of course not by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      I can see organizations such as the BBC warming to this, I'd pay $2/mo for access to the BBC Earth archives and I'm sure UK taxpayers would gladly take it.

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    10. Re:Of course not by idontgno · · Score: 1

      What exactly would this "Premium Content" be?

      Cat videos. Funny cat videos. Kitten videos. Lolcat videos.

      Other than that, I got nothin'.

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    11. Re:Of course not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Make it commercial free and get me some good sci-fi series backlogs and (subbed) anime that's not normally on TV on this side of the Pacific, and I'd be in. (I typically get those things through the internet anyways, but if the price is affordable without the ridiculous packaged cruft that is typical of cable channels, then I don't see too much harm in having some money get to the content creators.)

    12. Re:Of course not by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sport seems the thing that an awful lot of people are prepared to pay stupid money for.

    13. Re:Of course not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't go off getting all butt-hurt about it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody's forcing you. If it's not "premium" enough for you, then just shut the fuck up and move on.

    14. Re:Of course not by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      What exactly would this "Premium Content" be? What do they have in that crappy little window that is so wonderful and "Premium" that I will gladly pay them for it?

      Quite possibly nothing.

      You aren't the whole market.

    15. Re:Of course not by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      What do they have in that crappy little window...

      You should check them out these days, since you obviously haven't looked at them in a couple years. There's a full screen option, and many videos (most? Most that I view anyhow...) are available at 1080p.

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    16. Re:Of course not by hedwards · · Score: 1

      If there are ads, then what's the point of it? I can already hook youtube up to a TV, I'm not sure what the point of a subscription rate is if I'm going to have to see ads anways.

      OTOH, at $2 a month, at least it isn't as expensive as Hulu that makes you watch ads on most stuff and holds back programming until it's not as useful to watch anymore.

    17. Re:Of course not by pepty · · Score: 1

      What exactly would this "Premium Content" be? What do they have in that crappy little window that is so wonderful and "Premium" that I will gladly pay them for it?

      I'd guess stuff owned by movie and TV studios that have competitive reasons for not wanting to be on Hulu, Netflix, or Amazon Prime, and aren't aligned with a cable/ISP company that is developing its own streaming system.

    18. Re:Of course not by Black+LED · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of an either/or situtation, not both in place at the same time.

  4. Re:Everything copyrighted ends up on YouTube by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

    Well, if you insist on being cynical isn't it just as likely that youtube will simultaneously roll out vastly improved software to scan for and remove copyrighted movies. But only if you submit your copyrighted movie for their analysis (and rental) first.

    I mean, that's if you insist on being as cynical as possible.

  5. Great Content by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    This service will 'bring even more great content to YouTube

    That made me laugh. "Great content on Youtube" is today's latest oxymoron.

    1. Re:Great Content by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you know where to look, there's lots of great content on YouTube. Personally, I enjoy watching Matt Chat, Lazy Game Reviews, and Classic Game Room HD, more than anything on TV. If you're a smart person who wants to share your passion with the world, YouTube is a much better place to do that than any television network.

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    2. Re:Great Content by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      There are some awesome tutorials up there. Also sometimes I just randomly choose a playlist and let it run in the background for stumbling across good music. Currently listening to the fresh style of Xtortion Audio ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ngnsC8w4E

    3. Re:Great Content by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      If you know where to look, there's lots of great content on YouTube. Personally, I enjoy watching Matt Chat, Lazy Game Reviews, and Classic Game Room HD, more than anything on TV.

      Yes, I suppose this is true, if you have a very loose definition of "great".

    4. Re:Great Content by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly, especially with young children. My 4 year old loves some of the things I have found on you tube for him. There is a danish guy who works as an operating engineer and has a number of good quality hi def videos of machines working on construction sites. Toss in some videos made by companies that produce heavy machines as well as some videos of various obscure races (hill climbs, mud bogging, etc) and he loves it. These are things that are rare or unheard of on even cable TV with however many channels it has. I was actually surprised at the quality of the heavy equipment videos which are basically advertisements but still are more informative than most things on the subject like the 1/2 hour video trying to sell you a tunnel boring machine while they explain all the neat features and how theirs works.

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    5. Re:Great Content by Hatta · · Score: 1

      True, you're not going to see Ken Burns or Neil DeGrasse Tyson level quality out of Youtube. But you can easily meet or exceed the quality of whatever is on basic cable at the moment 90% of the time. That may not be "great", but it's nothing to sneeze at either.

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    6. Re:Great Content by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Neil DeGrasse Tyson is all over youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=long&search_query=neil+degrasse+tyson&lclk=long

      And there is a lot more interesting stuff than him https://www.youtube.com/user/setiinstitute

      YouTube currently has more new good stuff to watch each day than I have time to look at. You should try using the search function.

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    7. Re:Great Content by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yeah nothing that's popular is good, everything mainstream sucks, the only good things are the things that are unpopular and not mainstream.

  6. Untargeted by tepples · · Score: 1

    Especially since they seem to have no tailoring to my interest

    You're right that YouTube video ads tend to be only vaguely targeted, even though I haven't disabled Google's various tracking mechanisms. Google has done a lot better job targeting its text ads. I gather from an ad that has been shown to me a few times about the benefits of advertising your business with video that perhaps Google is hurting for video advertisers.

    1. Re:Untargeted by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      That might be at least partly intentional. Too effective targeting of ads ends up wasting money "preaching to the choir", essentially. You want ads to bring in new customers, and if you're too effective at targeting, it's mostly presenting views to existing ones, or only targeting your competition's customers, pulling from a static base when you could be expanding the base. Some people don't know they want something until they're presented with the option...

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    2. Re:Untargeted by tepples · · Score: 1

      I don't drink alcoholic beverages, yet I see advertisements for alcoholic beverages. How should I get across to Google that trying to expand the base of distilled liquor sales to include me would be a waste of money?

    3. Re:Untargeted by omglolbah · · Score: 2

      They are in Norway.

      In an evening of watching VOD starcraft matches I would get the same 2-3 video ads on every video change.

      It is not that the ads are THAT annoying, it is that you've already seen em 8-10 times already in a single day...

  7. Youtube could potentially dominate all other video by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that Google first proved that they are capable of delivering pretty 1080p video without stuttering, while leaving you the option for 720p if your internet or playback device can't handle 1080p. We'll see what content they will be offering, but I'm pretty sure about one thing: People are comfortable with Youtube as a video delivery system. You can bet that there will be living room devices that will seamlessly treat your subscribed Youtube channels as regular TV channels. Hopefully, future Youtube Android apps will allow you to pre-buffer the premium content so that you can watch it even when you don't have a good connection, for example, on a bus. If some of their subscriptions were things like Discovery Channel, ESPN and Comedy Central, how many people would drop their cable TV altogether? If these channels were on premium Youtube, the living room experience of watching them would be undiminished compared to cable TV, and all kinds of new options for VOD and watching on portable devices would open up. If Google does this right, the only people that will continue subscribing to cable TV will be luddites who can't be bothered to make Youtube work in their living room.

  8. Youtube streaming sucks. by csumpi · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm on a 50 mb/sec internet connection and can't stream youtube movies above 360p without the movie stopping every couple of minutes due to buffer underrun. I've no issues with amazon prime, hulu or netflix movies. I don't know why this only happens with youtube. I don't see why I'd be paying $1.99/month.

    1. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Blacklist your ISP's local mirrors.

    2. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would take this up with your ISP rather than blame youtube servers. No problems for me streaming 1080p on 19Mb/s.

    3. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by alen · · Score: 1

      Netflix and others use what's called a CDN, content delivery network. they have servers inside the ISP's networks with the content. you never actually stream from the internet.

      YouTube is all inside Google's infrastructure so anything you stream from youtube you use your ISP's internet backbone. I think Amazon is the same way since its glitchy for me as well.

      this is why i stream all my content from Netflix and itunes. they use a CDN and i get the best quality and performance.

    4. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    5. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I had a 6 mb/sec connection and could stream 720p without issue from you tube and if I let it buffer up for a bit could do 1080p without issue. Then my old ISP started mucking with stuff and I had all sorts of goofey errors like being unable to connect to DNS servers sometimes, and connection time outs. Dumped them like a bad habit and went with the other option in town who seems to at the moment be offering better service quality.

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    6. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2

      If you're in the EU, and specifically using France's Freebox, the ISPs are basically are at war with Google and neither Google or the ISPs want to pay for the pipes required to access Youtube comfortably. I have Free, and during peak times, there is definitely a slowdown in Youtube.

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    7. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Cammi · · Score: 1

      Are you in the Northwest? This is very common with the Youtube servers in that area.

    8. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That nonsense has been debunked numerous times. Reddit latched on to the "workaround", but if you actually read the full thread -- not skim it -- you will find intelligent network-savvy folks commenting on its idiocy. The person who came up with this "workaround" doesn't understand things like DNS load balancing, anycast, and other methodologies Youtube deploys (including back-end stuff) to accomplish load balancing. You might also be surprised to know Youtube's Flash applet (not sure about the HTML 5 stuff) has rate-limiting implemented in it as well (really, it does).

      Here are two forums threads I've been involved with now where in both cases asking people to step up to the plate and provide hard proof (specifically of TWC implementing some kind of throttling) resulted in them admitting the supposed "workaround" doesn't work at all, not to mention contains references to netblocks that have nothing to do with Youtube, and netblocks of the wrong size (based on ARIN WHOIS, rather than what's advertised on the Internet via BGP):

      http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28102912-Heads-up-guys.new-trick-to-eliminate-Youtube-throttling-
      http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/youtube-loading-issues-possible-solution.68493/

      I wish that Mitch Ribar guy would take down that blog post already.

    9. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's probably your ISP's fault. I know my ISP, Virgin Media, breaks Youtube.

      What tends to happen is that the ISP notices a lot of traffic coming from YouTube. So they call up Google and get some caching servers installed inside their network just to handle YouTube video. All YouTube traffic is intercepted and redirected to these caches and for about five minutes all is well. Then YouTube traffic doubles in a year but the ISP makes no effort to upgrade its caches and everything grinds to a halt.

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    10. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by swillden · · Score: 2

      YouTube is all inside Google's infrastructure so anything you stream from youtube you use your ISP's internet backbone.

      Google also has caching servers forward-deployed with the major ISPs. Also, Google peers directly with many ISPs, so data doesn't flow over the ISP's connection to the backbone.

      http://blogs.broughturner.com/2009/04/googles-peering-and-caching-strategy.html

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    11. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mind elaborating on this and how it relates to youtube vids?

    12. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by csumpi · · Score: 1

      I'm in Boston, so that's a possibility.

    13. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by nasalicio · · Score: 1

      http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13kmvd/have_time_warner_internet_but_can_barely_stream/

      Have a read through that. Although, I did try it but it had no positive results. Ran like that for a couple weeks, and sometime shortly after I unblocked it whatever the issue with my streaming was apparently fixed itself. I'm on 75/35 Verizon FiOS Business at the house, and am East Coast, USA.

    14. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by Inda · · Score: 1

      I've seen plenty of workarounds for this issue. Bypassing the cache is the theme of them all.

      I too am on Virgin Media, but I don't use YouTube enough to make this workaround worth the hassle.

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    15. Re:Youtube streaming sucks. by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Can you give advice on how i'd manage this on my mobile phone Data connection? I regularly watch netflix on my phone, but whenever I try to watch something on youtube, it takes forever for the video to load and I get repeated buffering issues.

      for info, I am using a Galaxy S4 on the 3 Network (Ireland) Running Jellybean.

  9. Quality? by jason777 · · Score: 1

    Lately, most youtube video do not properly play on my high speed FIOS connection. Most wont even start, or if they do if fail to buffer along the way, even at 240p. And the worst is when the video does play, many now have LONG ads within them. I'm talking like 2 and a half minutes. Ok MAYBE I'll sit through a half minute, but longer than that is not gonna work. Why would I pay for this?

    1. Re:Quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The same damn thing has been happening with me on copper wire ADSL.
      Videos take like 5-10 seconds to even start buffering, sometimes longer, and they buffer slowly up to a point.
      They buffer at a sporadic speed at best, which often results in constantly interruptions in so many videos.

      It only started happening in like the past few months or so.
      And I have forced 240p on most times because most videos are unworth higher quality, but christ, even then it still happens.
      Happens at all speeds. With and without extension.

      Also, that new profile page is actually terrible. I don't overreact like most idiots do to interface changes, but holy horrible homepage. It is a clusterfuck and less useful than the others.
      And where the hell are the dynamic pages? Bring those back, static pages are terrible. I have this super advanced browser that could probably toast bread via my GPU, use the damn thing.
      The new sidebar thing on the left is a good example, nice and simple. That was a step in the right direction.

      It makes me think Google just hire retards these days. Where did all the smart people in Google go? Where are the people that actually know how to monetize services instead of the halfwits cancelling useful products like Reader and iGoogle because "we are stupid and don't know how to advertise if our life depended on it."
      Where are the actual decent coders who don't make buggy, broken and stupidly outdated code and webpages?
      Whether it is Youtube being so horribly broken, or Picasa seriously corrupting its own database because it crashed when saving. How the hell can a program corrupt its own files these days? How stupid a file format can you write where it can lead to corruption that trivially?
      Never installing that crap again, I'll write my own. Absolutely hopeless depending on them to write something that won't horribly die or run sluggish. (including Chrome as well now, what the hell happened there? Admittedly that is open source based)

  10. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

    Oh that's a good idea. Your favourite shows could load themselves automatically when they are released each week, so you come home from work and whatever is ready is all set to go without any interaction from yourself. Pick whatever you want to watch or leave it for later, very convenient.

  11. I've seen 90 minute ads in movie theaters by tepples · · Score: 1

    And the worst is when the video does play, many now have LONG ads within them. I'm talking like 2 and a half minutes.

    And I went to the movie theater in 1989 and saw a 90-minute ad for the NES.

    But seriously, any video ad on YouTube that is longer than 30 seconds should have "click to skip" after the first 5 seconds.

    1. Re:I've seen 90 minute ads in movie theaters by Jarmihi · · Score: 1

      But seriously, any video ad on YouTube that is longer than 30 seconds should have "click to skip" after the first 5 seconds.

      They do. I believe it's a 15-second mandatory; any longer and it's "skip after five seconds."

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  12. Obligatory by CriminalNerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're just one step closer to the dystopian future of the all-despising baby skull: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2490

  13. Try different DNS settings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    A common trick used by content providers is to have the same DNS entry resolve to different IP addresses in different parts of the internet so that you'll get content from a sever close to you.

    This doesn't seem to be working out for you.

    I suggest trying a different DNS provider and see what happens. Try using google's own DNS if you're not (set your DNS to 8.8.8.8) or, if you are, try using the ISPs.
    You'll probably need to flush your DNS in the operating system and probably restart your browser to clear its own DNS caches before this has any effect (on a mac you can flush your dns cache with the sudo dscacheutil -flushcache command from the terminal)

    1. Re:Try different DNS settings by csumpi · · Score: 1

      Thanks for all the suggestions. I wish I could edit my original post to add this information.

      I'm not using my ISP's dns servers (Verizon). I'm using these DNS servers:

      8.8.8.8
      8.8.4.4

      These are google's servers, so unless Verizon has some tricks around them, I don't think DNS is the issue.

  14. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    My ISP (Virgin Media) actually copes better with 1080p because they cache it inside their network. 720p often stutters because it is uncached. Unfortunately some devices don't let you select 1080p over 720p, such as my phone. It makes sense because the phone's screen is "only" 720p, but they didn't count on Virgin being crap.

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  15. ERBH by schlachter · · Score: 2

    Epic Rap Battles of History.

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  16. the psychology of it all by schlachter · · Score: 2

    Paying even a trivial fee like $1.99/month will lead users to claim higher levels of satisfaction with the service which is good for Google. It's been shown empirically over and over that we come to value those things which we pay for more than those which are free.

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    1. Re:the psychology of it all by foobsr · · Score: 1
      "Cognitive Dissonance" is an interesting keyword in this domain.

      CC.

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  17. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by Cammi · · Score: 1

    Except that they haven't proven that with their NorthWest servers at all. And yes, it is their servers that are having issues.

  18. Re:Nooope by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

    Who exactly is making a living off of YouTube ads? I have an account and see the rates. That $3 from ads over a few months will go real far....

  19. Re:Nooope by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

    They will pester you about using your "real name", but a Google Plus account or using your name is NOT required to comment.

  20. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by OptimalCynic · · Score: 2

    Some of us have been doing that for years with torrents and RSS.

  21. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by swillden · · Score: 1

    Except that they haven't proven that with their NorthWest servers at all. And yes, it is their servers that are having issues.

    Cite?

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  22. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by Cammi · · Score: 1

    youtube.com from a northwest state

  23. Wrong by Triv · · Score: 4, Informative

    This seemed fishy considering the market, so I did some poking around and, surprise!: not only does the summary totally mangle the facts of the rumor - Youtube is supposedly going to start offering premium CHANNELS for 1.99/month EACH, not a Hulu or Netflix-type broad subscription - but it's only a rumor that google has neither confirmed nor denied.

    http://consumerist.com/2013/05/06/report-youtube-introducing-paid-subscription-channels-soon/

    Good job.

  24. fool me once... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    Anybody else remember google video? Anybody else remember when they shutdown and fucked over everybody that had paid for their DRM videos?

    Ok, this is a subscription. But it's not the first time they tried making money from videos.

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  25. Next stop, Utopia by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    At this (rental) rate, in twenty years it will be explicitly illegal to own any type of media.

  26. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    It's kind of interesting because the industry has already come up with a solution for this. They allow streaming to mobile devices, but first got to log in with your cable/sat provider's info to verify you subscribe to their service. I know a couple years ago my Dad had a package with everything including all the HBO's. I signed in my iPad under his account and was able to watch the first season of Games of Thrones on my iPad through HBO GO.

    Truth is there is starting become a blur between content providers and creators, especially with Comcast now controlling NBCUniversal.

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  27. Use Archive.org instead by ikhider · · Score: 1

    I prefer Archive.org because their specific mandate is to serve the public, 'universal access to all knowledge'. By contrast, Youtube is a business; their goal is to generate revenue. That is why I get disappointed when public service initiatives or individuals use Youtube. Archive.org is quite good, and they also offer GNU/Libre friendly alternatives for sound/video files such as ogg and flac. Archive.org has no annoying ads and there is some really useful information on there--hopefully in the future there will be more of a migration to Archive.org. Despite youtube being html5, my Libre-based distro cannot play all the videos and get a notification to install Adobe Flash. Not so with Archive.org.

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  28. Re:Youtube could potentially dominate all other vi by swillden · · Score: 1

    youtube.com from a northwest state

    That's not very informative :-)

    There are many, many things that could be causing problems for you. Your ISP's configuration, including possibly-overloaded caching servers, DNS misconfiguration directing your requests to the wrong places, overloaded ISPGoogle peering links, overloaded ISP backbone links... and many more.

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  29. funny advertisements by slash.jit · · Score: 1

    I hope all those funny advertisements are not part of this subscription

  30. Now I know... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ...why youtube has been choking lately

  31. how much you want to bet... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ...that as soon as the subscription service is up, a significant amount of formerly free content will suddenly become subscription only?

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  32. Re:bring the content first by Inconexo · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I don't think I am able to see more youtube content. Why pay for more content if I don't have the time to see all of what is offered for free?

  33. Re:Nooope by sd4f · · Score: 1

    It's now telling me something about making a channel. Iunno, this crap i don't understand. But point still stands, it makes me do some crap to comment, which i couldn't be bothered to do. And if they charged to watch stuff, it'd be even quicker for me to be less bothered.

  34. Google is notoriously hard to contact by tepples · · Score: 1

    Have you tried calling them or emailing them?

    YouTube's parent company Google is notoriously hard to contact through e-mail or phone. They want things to go through a public forum.