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Watch a Lockheed Martin Laser Destroy a Missile In Flight

An anonymous reader writes "As well as providing the equipment necessary to fire missiles, defense contractors also want to offer customers the ability to defend against them. Lockheed Martin is doing just that with its Area Defense Anti-Munitions (ADAM) system. ADAM is a high energy laser system mounted on a trailer allowing it to be transported around quickly to help defend high-value targets. It is still in prototype form, but basically uses a 10-kilowatt fiber laser which can be focused on to a moving target up to 2 kilometers away."

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  1. Interesting by LocutusMIT · · Score: 5, Funny

    But can it be mounted on a shark?

    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, as long as it's a trailer sized shark
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_shark

    2. Re:Interesting by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I'd settle for a video of this thing destroying a shark which has been launched into the air.

    3. Re:Interesting by oobayly · · Score: 1

      But they were the ones that donated the shark.

  2. Cool by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Bet it costs a fortune, though.

    1. Re:Cool by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bet it costs a fortune, though.

      Just ask some loan sharks with lasers...

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    2. Re:Cool by RobertNotBob · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sure... but that was implicitly addressed when they discussed the cost of REPEATED use. So this is a Pay (a lot) ONCE, vs a missile (or other ammunition based) system which is Pay (less, but still serious coin) EVERY time you shoot.

      It's not so bad when you put it into context.

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    3. Re:Cool by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Bet it costs a fortune, though.

      Just ask some loan sharks with lasers...

      Just loan them the shark long enough to fire a few shots.

    4. Re:Cool by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it costs a lot less than the damage to persons and equipment that it protects.

    5. Re:Cool by pchan- · · Score: 1

      Cost is not a big issue. The big issue is power.

      A laser of this type is almost always a chemical laser because that is one of the best ways to portably produce that much energy in a hurry. The drawbacks of this are
      1) the laser reactant supply needs to be reloaded after every shot or few shots. This is time consuming.
      2) toxic chemical byproducts of the power-generating reaction. If you're defending a base in the middle of the desert, this may not be an issue. If you're defending land that you care about, like your home town, it is a big problem.

      If the laser is battery-powered instead then prepare to wait a long time between firings for it to charge. Even a nuclear reactor on an aircraft carrier doesn't deliver the kind of wattage this needs in a burst, there will need to be a charge-discharge system.

      Until the power problems are solved, don't expect to be seeing too many lasers shooting down missiles.

    6. Re:Cool by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      The per shot cost may be way lower but honestly, how many times are you actually going to fire this thing?

    7. Re:Cool by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The article refers to a '10-kilowatt fiber laser.' That's means electrical, and probably continuous operation too. 10KW isn't a huge amount of power for something that size. You could run it off of an ordinary engine and generator, though I expect it uses batteries or ultracaps with a generator or external power hookup for charging to avoid keeping an engine spinning all the time.

    8. Re:Cool by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      If your are Israel, thousands of times.

  3. 2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering this a defensive system 2 kilometers means the high velocity threat is nearly on top of what you want to protect. It's 'destruction' is still likely to rain down debris nearby.

    1. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by CrimsonKnight13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since it's a prototype, I'm sure progress will need to be made to extend the range & power of the laser. Otherwise, it'll only be a short-range solution.

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    2. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by tsadi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 2km limit is likely due to the heat lost due to the atmosphere.

    3. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering this a defensive system 2 kilometers means the high velocity threat is nearly on top of what you want to protect. It's 'destruction' is still likely to rain down debris nearby.

      well.. most missiles aren't kinetic energy weapons.. few broken windows isn't as bad as a warhead exploding inside your building.

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    4. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by westlake · · Score: 2

      It's 'destruction' is still likely to rain down debris nearby.

      Which would you prefer? Debris or an explosion?

    5. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why does everything always have to be a binary choice? I'd like debris and an explosion.

    6. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Since you can deal with that using a proper wavelength, I'd go for thermal bloom problems instead.

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    7. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (1) A small shower of hot debris is a hell of a lot better than a successful missile strike.
      (2) 2-km is further than you think. Most of the small rockets this is meant to protect against don't have a blast radius even *remotely* close to that distance. In most scenarios even the debris won't reach the target.
      (3) As another reply noted, the distance limit is probably due to laser heat loss in the atmosphere. That sort of implies that the closer the target gets, the faster the laser destroys it. I'm not sure how the two curves line up, but one can bet that even if tracking pickup is a little late, the distance at which the missile explodes is fairly consistent.

      The obvious way to get around this defense, of course, is not to use a fueled rocket with a warhead, but instead a kinetic projectile (i.e. a missile-sized tungsten slug). Heating that up won't really stop it (not to mention it would be moving too fast to track, most likely). However, the technology to fire such a weapon accurately, as well as the weight of the munitions, makes such a weapon far less practical for small insurgent groups and 3rd-world wannabe armies. Even the US probably doesn't have any easily-portable system to fire high-velocity kinetic missiles of significant mass.

    8. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Even the US probably doesn't have any easily-portable system to fire high-velocity kinetic missiles of significant mass.

      They're called cannons; been around for centuries.

      For a decade, the US Navy has been developing rail guns to shoot *really* high speed projectiles. Progress has been slow, though.

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    9. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Small pieces of debris have a considerably lower terminal velocity than an aerodynamic missile. I'm sure some larger bits would still be deadly but probably wouldn't penetrate a building.

    10. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by jon3k · · Score: 1

      You're right I'd rather be hit with a missile.

    11. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which would you prefer? Debris or an explosion?

      Depends, how big is the debris and what's it made of, and how far away is the explosion?

      Big giants chunks of debris would be no fun, nor would it be if the missile had radioactive material and destroying it turned it into a dirty bomb.

      I'm more curious to know how much of this test was 'real', and how much relied on some of the tricks they've done in the past by essentially making it impossible for it to miss.

      It's not like they haven't stacked these tests in their favor in the past to the point that you'd need whoever might be shooting at you to schedule an appointment and tell you exactly where the missile is coming from. Which kind of defeats the purpose.

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    12. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Big giants chunks of debris would be no fun, nor would it be if the missile had radioactive material and destroying it turned it into a dirty bomb."

      No, that would be the BEST CASE scenario.

      If the missile has radioactive material then:

      1)- It is already a dirty bomb. Destroying it minimizes the damage.
      2)- IT IS A NUKE. Destroying it saves likely a city.

      Neither of these are likely, but you'd rather 1000 dirty bombs than one fissile warhead.

    13. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Considering this a defensive system 2 kilometers means the high velocity threat is nearly on top of what you want to protect. It's 'destruction' is still likely to rain down debris nearby.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

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    14. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      Until rifles, a trained longbow men could out fire and out range firearms. (trained is the operating word here – some English bowmen’s left arm was 2 inches shorter than their right due to repeated compression of holding the bow.) (Out damage is questionable.)

    15. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Or just due to the ability to focus over those distances

      Well, that's exactly the thing that thermal bloom screws up, isn't it?

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    16. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Afty0r · · Score: 1

      Debris from 2km away seems preferable to a detonating warhead 5 metres away.

    17. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by matfud · · Score: 1

      Longbows could out-range muskets. Early rifles could just about match longbows for range and accuracy. However the bows could be fired far faster than any muzzle loaded gun. The downside is that arrows are expensive to make and it takes a lot (I mean a really lot) of time to train an archer. Not so much someone to fire a musket.

      Strange but true.

    18. Re:2 kilometers isn't very far away. by Kanasta · · Score: 1

      Given that usually missles you want to destroy are aimed AT you and not flying OVERHEAD, esp when just 2km away, I wonder how useful this system is.
      Maybe we can ask our enemies to put them next to their launching pads?

  4. Hmm... I have a question. by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long before we start seeing missiles with highly polished chrome finish on the outside?

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    1. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Brandano · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's small battery powered ones already...

    2. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by LocutusMIT · · Score: 2

      That raises some interesting questions:

      Given the stresses of launch, how long would such a finish remain highly polished, or at least reflective enough to protect against a laser?

      Is the laser accurate enough to target the engine nozzles, which would very quickly lose any lustre they may have?

    3. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by westlake · · Score: 1

      How long before we start seeing missiles with highly polished chrome finish on the outside?

      How reflective is chrome (or any other coating) at the frequency of the laser? What are the chances the laser will simply "punch" or "torch" its way through the finish?

    4. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given the stresses of launch, how long would such a finish remain highly polished, or at least reflective enough to protect against a laser?

      I think you're dealing with a cascade degradation problem anyway. Once a tiny part of the reflective surface loses its reflectivity because the beam melts it, or for whatever reason that can happen, the rocket is done for. There's no problem with laser weapons that can't be solved with the pulse being strong enough and short enough, since you'll never have a 100% reflective surface. Even in experiments with laser-initiated fusion, where the cleanliness and optical properties of the whole system have lab-grade care taken of them, the optical interfaces are a bitch.

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    5. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Given the stresses of launch, how long would such a finish remain highly polished, or at least reflective enough to protect against a laser?

      Ever seen footage of those old unpainted aircraft? I'm sure these days the alloys they use are even more resilient.

      I imagine designers will start to double insulate missiles as well, so that the outer skin can get extremely hot without affecting the inside temperature much.

      Is the laser accurate enough to target the engine nozzles, which would very quickly lose any lustre they may have?

      That will only work if you position the laser such that it can hit the nozzle. A smart missile might even use the laser beam to target itself at the emitter, similar to how anti-radar missiles work, or adjust its flight path to shield vulnerable parts long enough to avoid being destroyed.

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    6. Re: Hmm... I have a question. by phatStrat · · Score: 1

      "Ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration... the Jericho."

    7. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given the stresses of launch, how long would such a finish remain highly polished, or at least reflective enough to protect against a laser?

      High power rated mirrors used in construction of high power lasers which quickly get damaged if there is a fingerprint or dust on it will still get destroyed quickly if you exceed their damage rating even when in a pristine state. In a lot of such systems, this only requires a little bit of focusing (i.e. only concentrating the power by maybe a factor of 2), and you damage mirrors specifically tuned to the wavelength and aligned to the laser. Once damage starts to form, damaged spots are not very reflective and will absorb a lot more power.

      So a well polished surface will only gain you a tiny fraction of a second before damage removes the polish. You would probably be better off trying to find a way to radiate, absorb, or distribute the heat so that it only amounts to localized surface damage instead of bulk heating of components.

    8. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Last second maneuvering would be one way to avoid this, but this has a far higher tolerance than a kinetic vehicle defense system. For an incoming munition, a quick shift just a few feet is enough to foil a kinetic attack as the reaction rate is low even for a thrust vectored, active kill vehicle. An az-el tracking system at 1km out is going to be dealing with arc-minutes of shift per second even if the incoming vehicle is pulling several Gs of acceleration. At burnout, that rocket was likely seeing 5-10 Gs of deceleration, maybe more. High power amateur rockets with fast-burning propellants can see burnout decellerations in excess of 30Gs, especially for transonic regions. (I know; I had one shred at 60 feet in the air after leaving the pad at nearly 220Gs acceleration)

      As for overwhelming the system, that's another tack. But you've just increase the cost-per-kill for your enemy. That may not seem like it matters, but a cruise missile has a 7 figure pricetag, and you can only make and transport so many of them in theater.

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    9. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by bcmm · · Score: 2

      What about retroreflectors? Presumably, it would require only a miniscule fraction of a missile-killing laser beam to screw up the tracking optics.

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    10. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      It makes a nice point defense system at the very least for a critical target.

    11. Re: Hmm... I have a question. by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      And how many of the parts that you finished were then subjected to the stresses involved on the cone of a missle?

    12. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Aluminum is usually the go-to material for broadband reflectance in the visible spectrum. It's about 93% reflective when freshly applied (it corrodes on contact with oxygen to form a thin layer of transparent aluminum oxide which helps protects it from further corrosion but degrades reflectivity - better to coat it with something else). You can improve it a bit with coatings, but those are highly directional. Silver is a bit better for most of the visible spectrum, but falls off quickly towards the blue/ultraviolet end which is where many powerful chemical lasers emit (dunno what this system uses). Chrome is actually pretty bad, usually around 60%-80%. Other tricks like dielectric mirrors are highly sensitive to wavelength and incident angle, while total internal reflection prisms (common in binoculars) only work for a narrow range of angles.

      So best-case aluminum will still absorb 7% of the laser energy, meaning worst-case the laser needs 14x more time to heat up a target vs. a black one (ignoring cooling). Of course if the range of this laser is only 2 km, that may make a huge difference.

    13. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A new generation of reactive armor will have to be developed to defend against lasers. Some kind of fun phase-change material stored in layers of lattice?

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    14. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      something like clay would probably have better time at dissipating the heat. or heck, a layer filled with water or something else that evaporates.

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    15. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I imagine designers will start to double insulate missiles as well, so that the outer skin can get extremely hot without affecting the inside temperature much.

      Yes, and if the weapon designers decide to send the energy in very short pulses, you end up having to cope with mechanical stresses - the pulse will turn a small amount of the missile surface into plasma which will send a shock wave through the construction. Essentially, this could work like a small HESH warhead. I really don't think there's a lot you can do against lasers in a flying object that has to be lightweight (by virtue of having to, you know, actually *fly* and deliver some sizable payload to its target).

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    16. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I have more objections than that-
      1) looked like a hobbyist type rocket, paper and wood
      2) rocket didn't go very fast at all
      3) was on a wire with a predetermined path
      Pretty unimpressive from my standpoint

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    17. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Even the most basic evasive manuevering algorithms have proven amazingly effective at getting past other missile defense systems. It's hard enough to target something moving in a straight line, and the complexity of the problem rises nonlinearly as the target's course becomes more erratic.

      It's also very difficult for a missile in terminal flight to evade and hit the target at the same time.

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    18. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Digicaf · · Score: 2

      That would be a 7% absorption in ideal conditions only during initial contact. Once the coating and reflective surface reach a critical temperature then there'd be a cascading failure. The coating would be subject to both ablation and charring, which might actually help the laser more than hurt it.

      There are a lot of factors that would quickly degrade the initial absorption figure (quality of coating, wavelength, surface contaminants, etc...). But even with that, I'd bet that a reflective mechanism would only slow down the process by a second or two.

      Assuming this takes off, what we'll probably see will be an arms race of a sort. Missile designers would start using reflective surfaces and internal insulators while the laser designers would increase power, focusing ability, and introduce wavelength shifts (maybe dynamically). This could get interesting.

    19. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by jarek · · Score: 1

      Reflection of chrome isn't all that good. Aluminium would be better but difficult. Silver is easy. Probably the way to go.

    20. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Whatever makes you think the tracking optics are coincident with the laser?

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    21. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by bishopBelloc · · Score: 1
      I think you missed a video.

      There are two on the site and you seem to only be referring to the second one.

      FTA:

      Last year Lockheed Martin carried out a similar test, but in that case the missile that got destroyed was tethered and moved along a predetermined path. Clearly progress has been made and ADAM can now track a freely moving target.

      Check out the second video that appears to be shooting down an untethered missile and is implied to not be following a predetermined path:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgUnDeED9MM

    22. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by matfud · · Score: 1

      Yep it would. However it is heavy and the out gassing would change where the thing is going unless it is still able to move.

    23. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Assuming this takes off, what we'll probably see will be an arms race of a sort. Missile designers would start using reflective surfaces and internal insulators while the laser designers would increase power, focusing ability, and introduce wavelength shifts (maybe dynamically). This could get interesting.

      From the point of view of the defenders such a race is a good thing - because it increases the difficulty of handling the missile, and either decreases it's range or decreases it's payload (for the same size missile as prior to the arms race). All the defenders have to do is increase the power - which they're going to do anyway.

    24. Re:Hmm... I have a question. by Technician · · Score: 1

      Polished chrome varies depending on wavelength. For example a clear plexiglass sheet is opaque to FLIR. On the otherhand an oxidized grey sheet of aluminum plate is a polished mirror at the same wavelength. White aluminum oxide paint may protect it at some wavelengths. Note in the video the targets were painted black. Reflecting 95% instead of absorbing it will require a much higher power LASER.

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  5. Act Now, Supplies Are Limited by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> As well as providing the equipment necessary to fire missiles, defense contractors also want to offer customers the ability to defend against them.

    Naturally. How else would you extract top dollar from both sides?

    1. Re:Act Now, Supplies Are Limited by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure niether China nor North Korea got their missiles from Lockheed Martin.

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    2. Re:Act Now, Supplies Are Limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, Slashdot doesn't have an option for the more-precise "+1 Tragicomedy"...

    3. Re:Act Now, Supplies Are Limited by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      How else would you extract top dollar from both sides?

      Lobbyists, bribery, paranoia, and threat construction. None of which require you to offer defensive systems against your own "defensive systems."

  6. Re:Did this one havce a GPS unit hidden in it? by tsadi · · Score: 1

    The final application doesn't need GPS units as sharks can find their way without GPS guidance.

  7. Aircraft carriers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe carriers won't go extinct after all

    1. Re:Aircraft carriers by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      You watched the wrong (bottom) video then - that was last year's test. This year the missile was in free flight. However, the site provided both videos on the same page.

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    2. Re:Aircraft carriers by akb · · Score: 1

      This laser with its 1.5km range would be of little use against a maneuverable DF-21D traveling at Mach 10. SM3 is the missile being tapped to for that duty but the kill vehicle is not the big challenge.

    3. Re:Aircraft carriers by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      That *might* be true. Remember that Mach 10 is not the likely speed of the craft at full atmospheric density, and at high speeds the integrity of the heat sheilding is very critical to performance. For an incoming missile, the long range slew rate on the laser will be very low (i.e. easy to acquire and track), and actual penetration of the airframe won't be necessary if the skin is at or near it's thermal limits on final approach to the target.

      So, yes, 1.5km will be covered very, very quickly by a hypersonic vehicle on final targeting (likely around 2 seconds, M=2.5, at 1 atm), but it won't take much more before this system will be capable of destroying one as long as it can track it and apply power as soon as it enters the effective zone.

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  8. Re:Why don't you take an existing product and put. by SJHillman · · Score: 1

    A trailer is considerably more maneuverable than a 747. It also uses a lot less gas if defending a stationary target. And a lot less $$$ overhead just to mount a weapon.

    Plus pretty much all of the other reasons why automakers are still around when aviation manufacturers can make stuff that *flies*

  9. Re:home version by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting
  10. not as useful as you might think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These are designed to defend against qassam type rockets. Qassam rockets are very simple rockets (steel tubes, warhead on the tip, no electronic gizmos) that are fired into Israel by the Palestinians. I doubt that they could defend against something more substantial.

  11. Just a few seconds to react by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering this a defensive system 2 kilometers means the high velocity threat is nearly on top of what you want to protect.

    Let's say we have a cruise missile traveling at roughly mach 1 or about 1,150 kph - actually pretty slow compared to many missiles. That means that the missile would cover the 2 kilometers in about 6.25 seconds. Better have a hell of a good target tracking system...

    1. Re:Just a few seconds to react by berashith · · Score: 1

      not all missiles have to reach the ground to deliver their destruction. This seems to be most useful at a distance from the target, in between the suspected launch point and target. Depending on the range of motion, that could nearly double the amount of time to destroy the missile. Like you say, this may require slowish missiles, and a somewhat low trajectory to stay in range. Still, portable tracking, aiming, and power is impressive.

    2. Re:Just a few seconds to react by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a point defense system--for when all else fails. The targeting/tracking system need not be limited to the effective range of the laser.

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    3. Re:Just a few seconds to react by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A target tracking system for an incoming missile will have a much lower slew rate than the video, where the target is flying perpendicular to the beam. Unless the missile starts doing the Harlem Shake on the way in, it's a sitting duck for a laser adjacent to the target. Also note that the internal tracking system is good to 5km out, so that gives it 10 seconds to lock onto the final trajectory, and it can be tied into a larger tracking system as well.

      This is clearly limited to smaller, slower, less sophisticated munitions right now, but I would anticipate larger power as they get better, which means effectiveness further out and quicker kills. Heck, you don't need any laser research to quadruple the power of this laser - just bring in four of them and target the same incoming vehicle.

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    4. Re:Just a few seconds to react by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Let's say we have a cruise missile

      Why? What exactly do you think this system is designed to protect against, an attack from a sophisticated air force? There's a reason they say that they are testing the system on Qassam style rockets. A Qassam rocket isn't supersonic. But you can bet that if they get a few years of good experience with this thing deployed in the field, they'll eventually end up with a bigger version.

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    5. Re:Just a few seconds to react by loneDreamer · · Score: 1

      Uh, a different idea might be to have more than one, spread out. I see no reason why we can't start heating with laser A and continue with laser B. Especially if for any reason scaling them up gets complicated.

    6. Re:Just a few seconds to react by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The scary thing about these new weapon systems is that given enough time and money a laser, electronic, or kinetic based missile interceptor will render every countries missile stockpiles practically useless. What would Russia do if the US was able to reliably counter their ICBMS? You know their would be some moron in Washington that would start proclaiming that the US could actually win now so full steam ahead. The only thing that has stopped a global all out war is the nuclear stockpiles of the major players. Without that balance all bets are off.

    7. Re:Just a few seconds to react by matfud · · Score: 1

      That was what I was thinking.
      Currently you have available:
      a) A Phalanx Centurion C-RAM (land based version) which can possibly hit something up to 4km away but generally much closer and sprays god knows what downrange (if that is a town then ....) Costs a lot but firing is fairly cheap iff you can keep it supplied. And whatever you hit still fragments and rains down on the original target.

      b) A short range anti-missile missile system. Something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome
      Far longer range up to 70km aparently. The cost is hundreds of thousands of dollars per firing and the detritus of both missiles rain down somewhere.

      Both are used against fairly short range ballistic projectiles (shells, mortars, unguided missiles).

      This approach has the advantage of being cheap to fire and only have the remains of the target raining down on you. And lower supply requirements.

  12. Re:Arms race. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    In response, all the worlds missles are now chrome plated, and you're burning the city or a forest, or whatever on the ground.

    That wouldn't work. The reflective surface wouldn't be able to do that with the beam hundreds of meters away. Why do you think that optical mirrors are so precisely shaped?

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  13. Re:home version by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Better yet, print one and start shooting down the drones, or at least blind all the surveillance cameras.

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  14. Mirror surface, by Pirulo · · Score: 1

    I always wondered. What if the targets are covered with a high quality reflective mirror surface?

    1. Re:Mirror surface, by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      It just takes slightly longer to destroy them. The best reflective surfaces are easily fouled by handling. Ever see what happens when you accidentally touch a headlamp (or projector) bulb with your finger while installing it? It still looks perfectly transparent, but *boom* it doesn't last long under even a 50W heat load. Now take your awesome mirror finish and send it through tens or hundreds of miles of atmospheric dust/bugs/ impurities. All of a sudden your ideal mirror becomes just good. Then we hit it with a laser and the energy that does get absorbed chars whatever is on there, which makes it even less reflective, and just like that your perfect mirror becomes just another ho-hum surface we can cook popcorn inside of.

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    2. Re:Mirror surface, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Might not help. No mirror can reflect 100% of a given wavelength. Putting a mirror on the missile will increase the time you need to train the laser on it, but the mirror will still be heating up quite a bit from a High Energy Laser. You'll be increasing the time-to-kill by the amount of time it takes to punch through the reflective layer, which may be seconds.

  15. This is extremely out of date. by flayzernax · · Score: 1

    Ft Bliss USA, they were testing lasers on conventional ballistics. Maybe the program finally completed and this is the end result. But I suspect this can also shoot down ballistics as well.

    1. Re:This is extremely out of date. by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      I don't know the details for you sorry =/ There's a good chance your right. I will tell you that I heard about lasers targeting ballistics from my CO. He could have been bullshitting us. But he was not prone to that kind of behavior =)

    2. Re:This is extremely out of date. by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      That sounds like it. Thanks for the informative response =)

      In 2000 and 2001 THEL shot down 28 Katyusha artillery rockets and 5 artillery shells. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser

      Is pretty much what he was talking about then.

      The I guess I'll have to RTFA about this new one ;p

  16. Re:Did this one havce a GPS unit hidden in it? by davester666 · · Score: 2

    Sharks have built-in GPS. You just need to purchase it's use "in-app".

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  17. Yet by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    you forgot that part.

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  18. Only 2000m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So at mach 5, you really don't have much time to kill the missile...

  19. Re:Why don't you take an existing product and put. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Why don't you take an existing product and put it on a truck.
    Boeing did this years ago from a 747, while in flight.
    so LM, who makes planes, said lets do that but do it easier by not making it fly.
    yawn.

    The Boeing system(the YAL-1) was a chemical laser. Those things are markedly better at high power compared to ordinary photopumped gas lasers or solid state lasers; but are somewhat disliked because of the difficulties involved in supplying and exhausting substantial quantities of nasty halogens under field conditions.

  20. Noticed by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    The rockets were painted black. What happens when a rocket is not painted black?

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    1. Re:Noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a red door.

    2. Re:Noticed by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      It takes .125 seconds to destroy a black target, .1251 to destroy a non-black target. Seriously, at these energy levels the color of the target is largely irrelevant.

    3. Re:Noticed by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      Send in the Rolling Stones

  21. Fog or Rain? by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing you need pretty clear weather for the targeting system to work.

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  22. Until it rains?... by tandr · · Score: 1

    Missile defense system is designed to operate when the target is in *clear* sight? What if skies are not so clear - heavy rain, fog, or dust?

    "Baron, my apologies. These madmen are attacking under cover of the storm." --Frank Herbert, "Dune"

    1. Re:Until it rains?... by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      It's not quite that simple. If the beam is narrow enough, it won't pass through much rain. If the beam is of the proper wavelength, fog may not deviate it much. Furthermore, there's the little element that the beam will instantly evaporate whatever water it comes close to, so it could very well "buffer" an area around it just by being there. This isn't to say it wouldn't be affected at all, but chances are it could still be effective if calibrated properly.

  23. Re:The 80's called. They want their space lasers b by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

    A) This is for targeting smaller missile (non-balistic). Smaller missiles are... well smaller. They take less heat to damage and cause failures and they have less surface area to spread the heat out over.
    B) That was 30 years ago. Laser power and tracking has improved just a bit since then.
    C) This is more about defending against the kind of dumb rockets that Hezbollah fires into Israel every so often as it is about an engagement with a highly funded modern military.

  24. Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Terminator: "Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range."
    Shopkeeper: "hey, just what you see here pal..."
    Terminator: "Uzi nine millimeter."
    Shopkeeper: "You really know your guns. This baby's perfect for home defense..."

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  25. PETA Approved? by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Apparently no birds were harmed in the making of that video.

    We'll probably never see the videos where they were :-)

  26. What are the alternatives? by eepok · · Score: 1

    Honest question.

    What alternatives are there to a low-production, high-powered laser that likely requires a ton of support crew/machinery to take out missiles?

    Phalanx or successors? Are these considered competent?
    What about missile-to-missile platforms?

    And how useful is this thing if it's not an on tangential course?

  27. The Crossbow Project: by fatboy · · Score: 1

    There is no defense, like a good offense.

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  28. Re:Why don't you take an existing product and put. by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

    They are very different creatures. The Boeing YAL-1 was deigned to shoot down missiles 100s of miles away (ballistic missiles in launch phase.). And part of the problem was its lack of range– it had to linger close (for ballistic missiles that is) to its target, which means you would have to have multiple plans covering the same area to accommodate refueling, service, etc.

  29. Hmm - naming issue, anyone? by Phoenix+Rising · · Score: 1

    ADAM - Absolute Destruction of Available Mass

    (Megazone-23, part 2)

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  30. Re:Why don't you take an existing product and put. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    I have wondered why they just don't use the good old CO2 industrial lasers scaled up instead of halogen based ones. Then again I am not big into knowledge of lasers and the how and why but it would seem that if a 100W CO2 laser is good for welding then why wouldn't a 10KW one be good for burning through missles?

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  31. Useless after ballistic trajectory by mrops · · Score: 3, Interesting

    2KM is kinda useless once the missile has achieved ballistic trajectory.

    At speed of 2.5km/second, the missile will whiz pass this thing quicker than any damage can be done to it.

    Note both the videos show the missile at launch, when they are not at top speed, may work for Hamas to Israel scenario, won't work for North Korea to South Korea type of scenario.

    1. Re:Useless after ballistic trajectory by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      And what missiles go mach 7+??

      A lot of them do. For instance, the russian Topol-M achieves 7320 m/s, which is a lot more than 7 Machs no matter how you measure it. Missiles such as that one are hardened and probably impermeable to energy weapons for the foreseeable future, though, and they are not the intended target for this (or any) laser. Direct kinetic hits are likely the only way, short of nuclear weapons, to stop them in their tracks.

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    2. Re:Useless after ballistic trajectory by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      Non experimental ones achieve high speed - maybe not 3km/s (approximately Mach 9) but fast enough to evade this system in its experimental phase.

      A small list of production Mach 5 and higher missiles.

      Eg. the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix screams along at 1.7km/s.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot - same speed.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_Angara/Vega/Dubna - 2.5km/s

      I'm sure there are many more. Probably a few Mach 9 variants.

      I wonder how well a mirror finish on a missile would protect it from lasers.

    3. Re:Useless after ballistic trajectory by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      "It will perform"

      It might - it will probably not be cost effective and get sidelined.

  32. Missing the potential by Viking2054 · · Score: 2

    As a practical test to prove the potential I'd say it was a pretty good success. Imagine if you will mounting several of these things inside a 747 with some being able to shoot the laser out the bottom, the sides, and even the top of the jet. You'd have a mobile platform that can get reasonably close to the launch site and destroy missiles before they got close. From the looks of the size of the trailer I'd say you could easily fit 4 to 6 of these inside a jumbo jet or retrofitted B1 bomber and still have plenty of space for crew that may work on the things. Put them on a stealth bomber and you could easily destroy those missiles on the launch pad.

  33. Just fire more missiles by Funky+Jester · · Score: 1

    It would get expensive but firing more than one missile at your target would defeat a laser that can only target one. The launch sites would have to be located far enough away from each other that the missiles would be out of the blast radius for most of the flight. With civilian GPSs and wireless communication, I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to synchronize the firing so that the missiles reach the target at the same time. (GPSs not for guidance but for calculating firing delays)

  34. Skeptical. It probably does not work. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Given the history of these contractors of doing rigged demos... Remember back to the rocket defense system where it came out they put tracking devices into the the rocket so all it had to do was fly towards the beacon in the target? After that huge PR nightmare one would think they would learn .... and usually it is not the right lesson (make it actually work) but to learn to do a better job of not getting caught.

    Everybody forget the F-22? That was lockheed martin. So, does this laser work in the rain? wouldn't be surprised... they managed to sell Americans an F-22 that didn't mix with water... I could see how falling water could mess a laser beam... And if the scattered light blinded people (a mile around) that would not only be bad for the people it protects but would violate Geneva.

    None of this matters-- They will sell a $billion+ of them if they work or not and we will buy it just to subsidize their company (hoping they make something better later - because our military is all about space weapons just waiting for when the politicians change their minds.)