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Smartphones Driving Violent Crime Across US

alphadogg writes "Incidents of cellphone theft have been rising for several years and are fast becoming an epidemic. IDG News Service collected data on serious crimes in San Francisco from November to April and recorded 579 thefts of cellphones or tablets, accounting for 41 percent of all serious crime. In just over half the incidents, victims were punched, kicked or otherwise physically intimidated for their phones, and in a quarter of robberies, users were threatened with guns or knives. This isn't just happening in tech-loving San Francisco, either. The picture is similar across the United States. A big reason for such thefts, until recently, is that there had been little to stop someone using a stolen cellphone. Reacting to pressure from law enforcement and regulators, the U.S.'s largest cellphone carriers agreed early last year to establish a database of stolen cellphones."

204 comments

  1. Ban Smartphones by dadelbunts · · Score: 5, Funny

    We should enact more stringent controls for cellphone ownership. These cell nuts going around with their smartphones putting us all in danger. What do you need a 30 app mag for realistically. How am i supposed to be safe when any criminal/cell nut can just pull out their cellphone and thats it, bang, im dead.

    1. Re:Ban Smartphones by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Funny

      I mean if we just outlaw cell phones, people will stop getting robbed for their cell phones! violent crime will drop!! Genius!!!

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    2. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Take the pledge - Just Say No to Smartphones!

    3. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      When smartphones are outlawed, only outlaws will have smartphones!

    4. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least we're doing well at homicide prevention by killing off IE.

    5. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should enact more stringent controls for cellphone ownership. These cell nuts going around with their smartphones putting us all in danger. What do you need a 30 app mag for realistically. How am i supposed to be safe when any criminal/cell nut can just pull out their cellphone and thats it, bang, im dead.

      Look on the bright side, this time Sarah Palin and her drone army will be on your side when they try to take your smartphone away from you.

    6. Re:Ban Smartphones by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 5, Funny

      What about our right to bear ARMs?

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    7. Re:Ban Smartphones by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I mean if we just outlaw cell phones, people will stop getting robbed for their cell phones! violent crime will drop!! Genius!!!

      When they outlaw cell phones, only outlaws will have cell phones.

    8. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the only person that can stop a bad person with a cellphone is a good person with a cellphone.

    9. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, then we'd be back to the ''good ol' days'' where people got mugged for their cash -- o wait, people don't carry that either.

    10. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the rest of us will have to go back to using PCs.

      Whoa, this doesn't actually sound so bad now.

    11. Re:Ban Smartphones by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      What about our right to bear ARMs?

      Unfortunately, on the street bear ARMs lead to bear hugs from shady people now.

    12. Re:Ban Smartphones by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      . . . oh, those crazy kids will just start 3D printing their own . . .

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    13. Re:Ban Smartphones by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

      If we don't ban them now eventually we'll have Google Cars Driving Violent Crime Across US

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    14. Re:Ban Smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No printer required. The sound quality of these is arguably better too.

  2. IMEI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMEI

    1. Re:IMEI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you assume that the carriers CARE to check this.

    2. Re:IMEI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice that it is only valid for 3GPP protocol phones, while half of USA (or more) runs on CDMA(2k) (used by Verizon and Sprint).

    3. Re:IMEI by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      CDMA phones have a serial number.

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    4. Re:IMEI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also GSM phones have an IMEI.

  3. Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

    Steeling the most shiny, but least valuable shit because they just don't understand. They lack knowledge. And if they had it they wouldn't need to resort to steeling it.

    I'm not saying this is true in every case, but probably in greater then 70% of them.

    1. Re:Typical criminal scum... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Least valuable? Do you know how much smart phones cost? I mean really cost, not "With 2 year contract." How about looking at the used value on Craigslist, because that is what you can get for 2 minutes work.

    2. Re:Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about their intrinsic value. And once you've stolen one it still needs to be wiped, reconfigured, whatever. Right now it's pretty easy, but its going to increasingly become cost in-efficient. And any good phone I know bricks itself from a server command. Blackberries.

      My 10 year old phone still works fine for SMS, email, browsing the web. The latest shiny shit is just shiny shit. That phone may be 100$ on the new market but its going to be like 40$ if that on the black market.

    3. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "steeling"? Do you suggest that the criminals first steal the phones from their owners and then steel them by encasing them in tough metal?

    4. Re: Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have the knowledge, teach them. And people steal for a variety of reason, in the USA its probably for survival (that place is insane), I have no qualms with trying to survive.

    5. Re:Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Yes, then they can chome plate them so they can steel chrome google smartphones.

      English is stupid. We need to update the language so all meanings and words are symbolic and unique and new configurations are easy to understand and do not replicate previous words without a great deal of memorization.

      Anyway, stealing smart phones are not going to give you upwards mobility even in the criminal career path. I bet they are most likely stuck doing that or thats not the only thing they steal. Anyway this just sounds like the new cool thing on the block to do for those permanently indentured to a life of crime. Steal just enough to pay for your low class lifestyle until you get caught.

      I would find it amusing if there was a true story about the dumb kid who stole smart phones so hey could later invest in a business or a bus pass out of the slum.

    6. Re: Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Nor do I. I am just trying to point out its the the best way to try and survive even though people might convince themselves it is.

    7. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "least valuable shit"? I figure on average I make about $50 for every phone I swipe. Sometimes it's as low as $30 and sometimes around $70 or so. I jailbreak them myself but I dump them on a middleman because I don't need the hassle and I hate sales. On a good day I can make a few hundred dollars for a couple of hours work (and it's kind of a rush too). And I don't have to work every day either. A couple of days a week and I'm good, three decent days and there's my rent for the month. It's easy pickings and I know my market so I'm going to keep getting (and "steeling") while the gettings good.

    8. Re: Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      *is not

    9. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, what do you mean by "least valuable shit"? I figure I make on average about $50 for every phone I swipe. Sometimes it's as low as $30 and sometimes around $70 for the shiny shiny. I jailbreak and reconfigure them myself (dude, I am posting to /. after all) but I leave pass them on to a middleman for the final resale because I don' like dealing with that hassle and sales sucks. I can make a few hundred dollars for a couple of hours of work. And I only have to work for a couple of days a week. A few decent days and there's my rent for the month. Plus, it's a real rush.

    10. Re:Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Lets assume your rent is 300$, and you work enough to earn that rent. Then buy some beer and go out to the movies, and maybe take a girl out, so you work 6 days that month and earn 600$. You are still subsisting.

      You then don't factor in the cost when someone either resists and completely destroys you for voilating their person. Or you get caught and end up getting assraped. Sure in some jurisdictions you may spend a night in prison, get a quick trial the next morning and end up out on probation where you can steal some more to pay off the officer or the court for getting caught again.

      But you are doing yourself and society no good. And eventually you will have no retirement. I hope you start thinking more about the bigger picture then just the quick "Me".

      I can understand wanting a life of excitement and freedom. I really can. But, if your so good at stealing and breaking the phones. Why don't you start up your own phone repair business, or phone hacking service? It doesn't have to be legitimate. You don't have to worry about paying taxes to start. It's better then violently robbing people. You can make more money providing a service then being a nuisance. If you grow it you can higher someone else to do the sales and answer the phone. At some point you could build it into a legitimate store which pays it's dues to the better protection racket then the local thugs.

      Maybe that isn't a great option because phones don't need much service done to them or people aren't that interested in free apps and games or whatever. But I hope you get the idea I'm trying to get across.

    11. Re:Typical criminal scum... by ian_mackereth · · Score: 3, Informative
      Thankfully, this AC is smarter than most petty criminals.

      I witnessed one iPhone theft, a snatch and run from a bus. The owner set off after the thief but quickly returned to ask the bus driver (me!) to call the cops as the thief had a machete, and the phone owner very sensibly valued his skin more than the phone.

      However, instead of just walking into the night before Security and the cops arrived, the thief went to the nearby train station. The security guards there, having been warned by my radio call, promptly apprehended the idiot and he's now doing time for assault with a deadly weapon. Oh, and for theft of an iPhone...

      Think about the value of the stuff you carry around with you. If you're a man, maybe a nice watch, maybe some cash in your wallet (but less and less these days) and... your expensive smartphone. A woman might add some jewellery to that list, but probably not much day to day. So what else is a thief going to steal? Especially because there's less point in breaking and entering these days, since the old standbys of VCRs or DVD players are now worth almost nothing, and big-screen TVs are hernia producers!

    12. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      failing comprehension is 1000x worse than failing spelling.

    13. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $100, you say?

    14. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Maybe you should dedicate some of your precious time to properly utilizing the language(s) you use.

      It's your primary interface when dealing with other humans, and like it or not, you WILL be judged by your ability to use it. You will do well to invest in it, regardless of your distaste for the rules.

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    15. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i will shoot you in the face

    16. Re:Typical criminal scum... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      iphones can be worth 100-200(newest) just in parts besides the motherboard(that is, even if it's wiped and unusable condition).

      they're not stealing the phones which are 100 bucks new. they're stealing the phones which are 600-700 bucks new(or phones which they think might be that).

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    17. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember kids, there is no -1: I'm Offended

    18. Re:Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I make more mistakes then I would like.

      But I tend to enjoy being a smart (dumb) ass on occasion. =)

    19. Re:Typical criminal scum... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      No, but enjoy living in a prison system instead of creating a society that doesn't revolve around petty bullying. And haves vs have nots. Your logic is not wrong. But I disagree with your principles.

    20. Re:Typical criminal scum... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      they're not stealing the phones which are 100 bucks new. they're stealing the phones which are 600-700 bucks new(or phones which they think might be that).

      Read an article recently about this. Seems that in one case, a couple thugs held up some woman for her iPhone, then when they had it in hand, looked closely, realized it wasn't the latest iPhone, and gave it back to her....

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    21. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      They lack knowledge. And if they had it they wouldn't need to resort to steeling it.

      Oh, now *there's* some IRONy for ya'! :P

    22. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but if you act like a ass all your base are belong to us.

    23. Re:Typical criminal scum... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      I guess you go to bars and tell all drunk people to speak correctly.

      Good luck

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    24. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the context of your comment, can I assume your use of "then" was intentional?

    25. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stepped in front of this one without even bothering to listen, none-the-less look both ways =/

    26. Re:Typical criminal scum... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And this is why I have a fifty dollar smartphone. I replaced the back and the screen protector and it's as good as new... new in 2011, that is. But since it has a pretty great GPU and a decent developer community it's still a cool phone. You don't have to have a crap phone to have a cheap phone. Of course, we can't all do this, because of all the people who keep all their old phones. Set those phones free! The less fortunate would like smartphones, too. If you sit on them you'll just regret it later, and meanwhile deprive people of decent phones

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    27. Re:Typical criminal scum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, kids--there's no -1, You're Retarded.

    28. Re:Typical criminal scum... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're going to do it, be polite.

      They could have ran off with it anyway, or injured her for the trouble.

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    29. Re:Typical criminal scum... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yea, because English should look like Chinese. Sounds fun!

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  4. Stupid situation by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Such a stupid situation that could be solved easily.

    If the carriers had a service for the owner to remotely brick and unbrick the phone as well as transfer ownership (with the ability to brick) to another person this would be a non-issue.

    It's a service that makes owning the phone more valuable to the end-user; yet, it's an externality to the phone companies. Rather than provide the best possible product and services, they do the barest minimum and reap unjustly high profits. They can do this because they operate out of the normal reach of capitalism - the state-sponsored monopoly. With a stranglehold on public property and the blessings of their government lawmakers, they can do pretty-much whatever they want. Capitalism has failed, therefore we need more government regulation.

    That should greatly shorten this discussion. Did I miss any memes?

    1. Re:Stupid situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can do this because they operate out of the normal reach of capitalism - the state-sponsored monopoly.

      I don't think a group of companies can have a monopoly.

    2. Re:Stupid situation by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      At the very least when I report that my phone was stolen, then the uniq id in the phone could be traced so if anyone tried to activate it MY phone could be recovered.

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    3. Re:Stupid situation by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That should greatly shorten this discussion. Did I miss any memes?

      Only if you want to count the Drug War, which drives up drug prices and prevents treatment, leaving addicts to turn to petty crime. I think the last estimate was in the low 80% range of home burglaries being drug-addict related. Talk about externalities - all the people who are being robbed and burglarized are paying to this government program.

      Capitalism has failed, therefore we need more government regulation.

      Oh, right, the goal is more government, so this is working as intended. And the CIA needs to fund its black ops off-budget. Anybody who still thinks Nixon was a Man of the People...

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    4. Re:Stupid situation by Sulphur · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the carriers had a service for the owner to remotely brick and unbrick the phone as well as transfer ownership (with the ability to brick) to another person this would be a non-issue.

      Brick or brick not. There is no unbrick.

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    5. Re:Stupid situation by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The word the OP is looking for is "oligopoly". That's a monopolistic hold on a market by a small number of companies, but more than 1.

      Linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly

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    6. Re:Stupid situation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Brick or brick not. There is no unbrick.

      Recoverable with JTAG is considered by most to be bricked. But there's no remote unbrick. There is only remote lock and unlock, and on some devices that requires testpoint access.

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    7. Re:Stupid situation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Recoverable with JTAG is considered by most to be bricked.

      But they're wrong.

      It is an especially relevant distinction in this case, where a thief could unbrick it since he has physical access. And a particular thief might not be able to, but he'll have connections who can, or something.

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    8. Re:Stupid situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no unbricking. I had a phone get reported stolen by an ex that wanted to fuck with me, and it was banned. All I got was the runaround whenever I went to the store or complained. They just told me to buy a new phone and here are our great offers for today. It has a happy ending though, I got a settlement form the phone company and got my ex arrested (who plead guilty to fraud, but got it lowered to a misdemeanor). Not a week later the same thing happened to my new phone, and this time the phone company refused to tell me who called/when/etc. They'd just hang up on me. If I went to the store and complained, I'd get asked to leave.

      They went back to court for round 2, and I got a much bigger settlement. It helps that I legally recorded the calls and took notes of all my interactions. I'd give details, but that'd violate the terms of the settlement.

    9. Re:Stupid situation by similar_name · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how a public property would work on an unregulated market. Surely you're not suggesting no regulation. How would an infrastructure not lead to a natural monopoly? AT&T would be the only company if there were no rules. If you think their should be some regulation why don't you suggest that instead of attacking regulation in general?

    10. Re:Stupid situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better word that you're looking for is "Cartel".

    11. Re:Stupid situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the carriers had a service for the owner to remotely brick and unbrick the phone as well as transfer ownership (with the ability to brick) to another person this would be a non-issue.

      If you can unbrick a phone, then it was never truly bricked. Learn what you're talking about, ya egg.

    12. Re:Stupid situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tax/fee on unbrickable phones, to offset the greater cost of police, etc. The problem will solve itself.

  5. Re:Serious crime? by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, cell phone theft is not serious crime. Serious crime is genocide, murder, rape, molesting children, kidnapping, torture, etc.

    Sticking a gun in somebody's face, threatening them with a knife, or beating them are serious crimes. The others you listed are more serious but this isn't some case of some iPhanboi having an emotional breakdown because his iToys were stolen, if you read TFA you'd notice a great mean of these robberies are armed, involve physical violence, or the direct threat of it. Maybe that isn't "serious" where you come from, but if it isn't, you have my sympathies. Let me know if you need me to recommend a good realtor.

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  6. Re:Serious crime? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

    Sorry, cell phone theft is not serious crime. Serious crime is genocide, murder, rape, molesting children, kidnapping, torture, etc.

    So I can come over and punch you in the head a few times, and then steal a few TVs? Assault and theft over $500 is serious crime.

  7. But what can you do to prevent this? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    Would they add some sort of hard-coded serial number chip that phones home whenever the device is online? I strongly doubt that such a feature would remain uncracked for very long. At best, it might be something that an observant Craigslist buyer could use to distinguish a hacked device from an unhacked one. I think that's the first realistic goal to aim at. I was close to buying an iPod Touch on Craigslist, but backed out because the situation seemed shady, and I didn't know how to verify whether the device was stolen. I know it's tempting to hope that we can use the phone itself to catch thieves and prevent unauthorized transfers, but I don't think we should ever expect to succeed. Every decent phone thief can just power down a phone right after stealing it, and disable the security in a makeshift Faraday cage workshop. All this will do is to provide a perfect spy tool on legitimate phone owners.

    1. Re:But what can you do to prevent this? by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Already have everything needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMEI And it is not trivial to change.

    2. Re:But what can you do to prevent this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? You mean like the IMEI number?

      Carriers can easily "ban" a stolen phone from the network. They just choose not to.

    3. Re:But what can you do to prevent this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you wouldn't even need to brick it or do anything funny: when your phone connects to the network it already transmits its IMEI. You would need a national database of bad IMEIs that the police can write into (just like there is a database of stolen vehicles, firearms etc.) and the phone carrier could just say "Nah, I am not carrying your traffice, you evil bad phone".
      It could even be made international, and it wouldn't even need to be particularly large. IMEIs are small pieces of data.

    4. Re:But what can you do to prevent this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australia does IMEI blocking, has done for years.

      No-one bar idiots steals phones here because it's not worth the effort; you know if you buy a stolen phone it'll get blocked, so the market isn't there.

      No market = no theft.

      The only option for the thieves is to sell them overseas or on eBay for 'parts'. Everyone knows 'blocked EMEI' means stolen (on rare occasions it doesn't).

  8. Re:Serious crime? by Cammi · · Score: 1

    Getting raped by TSA is a serious crime, but hey, in the USA, some serious crimes are "legal".

  9. There's no real excuse for violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no real excuse for punching someone or threatening them with violence when taking their smartphone. I find that I've rarely had to resort to threats of violence and rarer still to violence and always it meant that I screwed up somehow. It's just such a simple matter to swipe the thing when they stupidly leave it on the table or sticking out of their bag and they usually don't even notice it right away. If you're in a crowd and you're feeling a bit cocky you can sometimes just grab it out of their hand and then disappear into the crowd. I know, brazen right? But it just works.

    1. Re:There's no real excuse for violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it just works.

      It works until you steal MY phone.

      After that you will spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.

    2. Re:There's no real excuse for violence by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's no real excuse for punching someone or threatening them with violence when taking their smartphone.

      If they are making a call while the rest of us are trying to watch the movie, I think this treatment should be mandatory.

    3. Re:There's no real excuse for violence by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      But it just works.

      It works until you steal MY phone.

      After that you will spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.

      Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for lo I am the meanest SOB in the valley.

      (common prison posting)

    4. Re:There's no real excuse for violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that seems rational.

    5. Re:There's no real excuse for violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a frustrated London Underground traveller, I'll add the Kindle/iPad/Smartphone hipster muppets to your suggestion. How the hell can they even navigate the tunnels while staring at the screen and shuffling forward blocking the way? We even have announcements to tell them not to get too close to the train as it arrives at the station, due to them standing at the edge and the train swiping it from their clammy grasp.

      Muppets.

  10. Re:Serious crime? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 0

    Okay, I was exaggerating. Armed robbery is certainly a serious crime. I agree with that and was a bit too fast with my post.

    However, I've come up with an easy solution: Just rig the cellphones with explosives that can be detonated by sending the right message to it. That way, if somebody walks away with your iPhone, just blow him up.

  11. Re:Serious crime? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    So I can come over and punch you in the head a few times, and then steal a few TVs?

    You could try... but I don't have a TV.

  12. Re:Serious crime? by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

    The loss itself may not be, but if you beat somebody up for their phone it's still a violent crime.

    I think the more interesting statistic is that 579 cell phone/tablet thefts accounts for 41% of violent crime. Even if we assume that all 579 thefts were violent in nature, that's still only 1412 violent crimes. In a city the size of San Francisco over that time period, wouldn't the "think of the children" lobby have us believe that the rate is much higher?

  13. What' the precentage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of the pop. of SF whats the percentage? Really? How serious?

  14. Re:Serious crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fun fact: The most convincing, profound and well thought rebuttals in all of history typically contain the words "so, I can punch you in the head a few times".

    Find a way to sprinkle it into a college thesis, kids!

  15. Re:Serious crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cellphone theft (i.e. STEALING) is not a violent crime, but cellphone _ROBBERY_ is.

    Robbery is taking stuff right in front of the the owner and might involve violence.
    Theft is taking stuff without the owner aware of it.

  16. It's GameStop's fault by bloggerhater · · Score: 2

    Most of these criminals aren't reselling these devices at pawn shops or on Craig's list either. GameStop has made it very easy to take any modern smartphone or tablet into their store fronts for cash. They then take these devices that they got on the cheap and send them out to rural communities and sell them for just a shade under retail. GameStop's uncaring jerk wad management strikes again.

  17. Isn't this common to all new tech? by frdmfghtr · · Score: 2

    When airplanes started to become more common, the number of crashes took off (no pun intended) simply because there were airplanes to crash.

    The annual theft rate for automobiles was a perfect zero...until of course the automobile was invented.

    It seems to me that accidents, crimes involving a particular technology, popular fashion item, etc. are naturally going to become a more significant portion of overall crime as they become popular. It reminds me of the sudden uptick in sneaker thefts when Air Jordans became popular.

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    1. Re:Isn't this common to all new tech? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      More common, but also expensive. Thieves didn't attack people for their Livestrong bracelets or Crocs. Smart Phones and Air Jordans are high-value items to carry around

    2. Re:Isn't this common to all new tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just in, Rolex owners more likely to have their Rolex watches stolen. Video at ten.

    3. Re:Isn't this common to all new tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone somewhere has probably been mugged for their crocks. I am sorry for even imagining this reality.

  18. Re:Serious crime? by SirKron · · Score: 1

    Sorry, cell phone theft is not serious crime. Serious crime is genocide, murder, rape, molesting children, kidnapping, torture, etc.

    Serious crime is what the carriers is charging us for data connections and SMS messaging.

  19. Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by jazman_777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's obvious that people feel that they don't need to be alert to their surroundings. That is madness. This crime wave is basically the result of people making themselves easy targets. I know our world may shriek "blaming the victim", but you really ought to be on guard, it's your responsibility, it's your stuff, it's your life.

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    1. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obvious that people feel that they don't need to be alert to their surroundings. That is madness. This crime wave is basically the result of people making themselves easy targets. I know our world may shriek "blaming the victim", but you really ought to be on guard, it's your responsibility, it's your stuff, it's your life.

      So, if you approach the "crime wave" from an existential perspective, it's like Plato's Allegory of the Cave. The Smart® phone user, head down in his world of the tiny screen, is dragged kicking and screaming, by the thief, from the illusory world of social networking, largely inane news feeds (present company excepted of course) and streaming media. The Smart® user, unused to seeing things as they really are, is surprised by the true nature of the world around him and turns to run for the safety of the gray middle of the cave, his old familiar surroundings where he exists anxiously viewing the shadows cast by those outside. Smart® users prefer the world of shadow to the world of light. They are at the mercy of reality and cry out against those who would snatch their illusions from them.

      What phone would Plato have chosen...
      What service plan would Jesus have signed?

    2. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by Milharis · · Score: 0

      I'm not from the US, but it works the same everywhere.
      Most of the time, it's not someone who steal your phone and run, it's 2 or 3 guys with knives waiting in an alley near a building lot.
      When they see someone alone, they threaten/beat him, and take everything, including the smartphone which is often the most valuable thing.

      It's common here to have two phones, a shitty dumbphone with a prepaid card as a bait, and a smartphone hidden somewhere safe.

    3. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by Hentes · · Score: 0

      Exactly. When in a bad neighbourhood, ALWAYS look around before pulling out your phone, wallet or any other valuable item.

    4. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      This crime wave is basically the result of people making themselves easy targets.

      Why are people looking for targets in the first place? Crime is the result of social inequity.

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    5. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People only shriek blaming the victim when it comes to rape. If you carry your camera around your neck into the expensive part of town, everyone will tell you (except yourself) that you deserved to be robbed for wearing that kind of thing out in public. See, when it comes to valuables, there are certain precautions you can take to decrease your chance of getting robbed. Like not being plastered, being aware of your surroundings, not walking around looking like a lost puppy, etc. But rape is different. You're just as likely to be raped hiding in your closet with a shotgun as you are passed out naked in the bad part of town after drinking twenty beers and eating a handful of Xanax! That's what the feminists say, at least.

    6. Re:Naivete, Stupidity, Etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using a smartphone and being alert to your surroundings are not compatible. How will I check the tweets I get every 75 seconds if I don't have my $500 smart phone out full time?

  20. Re:Serious crime? by FunPika · · Score: 1

    I can see the unfortunate implications of that now. 1. Get pulled over for going a couple of miles/kilometers over the speed limit. 2. Cop sees smartphone connected to car charger. 3. Under arrest for possession of a destructive device.

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  21. Re:Serious crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya, but it's the internetz, so it's SRS BIZNISS!!

  22. My first thought by korbulon · · Score: 1

    Was that driving while using a smartphone would soon be considered a violent crime across the U.S. Which, honestly, wouldn't be such a bad idea.

  23. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Homicides per 100,000 population by race:
    - Whites = 0.7
    - Hispanics = 27
    - Blacks = 52

    80% of the homicides attributed to "Whites" were actually committed by "Hispanics" who constitute 8% of our population.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Blacks/+Doc-Blacks-Crime&HateCrime/BlackVsWhiteCrimeStats-Christianparty.htm

    Now shut up you scum.

  24. In the 70's by michaelmalak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As I write whenever the topic of smartphone muggings come up:

    In the 70's, people were held up for their watch and cash (remember cash?). Different decade, different stuff.

    1. Re:In the 70's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the arbitrary nod to the 70s? This has been going on since Day 1. Grok made the wheel, and Ug jacked him for it. It's an intrinsic part of human nature. Sure, most of us have it washed out or subdued via conditioning, but left unchecked, it always rears in ugly head.

    2. Re:In the 70's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I write whenever the topic of smartphone muggings come up:

      Say what? Someone mugged a phone? What has the world come to... I think someone's evading the nature of reality here.

    3. Re:In the 70's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the more appropriate parenthetical would be "remember watches?" :-P

    4. Re:In the 70's by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Cash is like a credit card made of fabric, but what's this 'watch' you speak of?

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  25. Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I usually just wait till you put it down at your table, or stick it in a back pocket or pocket of your backpack or purse. No way I'm carrying a weapon, I don't need the extra time if I get caught (and I've never been caught). If some dude grabs my arm I just punch him in the face or kick him in the nads, sometimes I'll even throw the phone down on the ground but that's only happened to me twice. Carrying guns to rip smartphones is for losers. (I guess smartphones need smart thieves, like me ;-)

  26. iPhone 5's are just too valuable right now by beltsbear · · Score: 1

    Even a properly blacklisted iPhone 5 is worth well over $200 for parts or for export into an area where blacklisting does not apply. To slow this type of violent crime the police and courts need to treat it more seriously. It is easy to spot an iPhone 5 and you would be hard pressed to find quickly an easier way to steal $200. Few used car radios or even flatscreen TVs are worth that on the hot market.

    People who violently steal a cellphone should be put in jail the FIRST TIME for at least a year maybe more. In Maryland that is certainly not the case now. If you do not use a gun in the crime you probably won't go to jail even when caught with good evidence. The police also loath to investigate where a stolen phone is from GPS tracking information. They should do this at least in some conditions such as a well documented theft.

  27. Re:Serious crime? by bbelt16ag · · Score: 2, Informative
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  28. Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by dfetter · · Score: 1

    I just love how people who constantly complain about how buggy and unreliable everything is--and justifiably so, by and large--imagine that there's no way to activate a booby trap by mischance or hostility.

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    1. Re:Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      To steal a line from Mel Brooks "Bullshit, bullshit, aaaaannnnnddd bullshit". Here are the facts, 1.-The "cell phone gun" has a NON WORKING SCREEN because naturally there is no room to put electronics into it and still have room for the firing mechanism. 2.- It looks like a real cell phone ONLY FROM A DISTANCE as things like fake screen and cheap plastic keypad makes it look like one of the $1 toys you get in stores like Family Dollar for little kids, no way somebody is gonna mistake or be unable to tell the difference if they are close enough to knock it out of your hand.

      As for TFA and the suggestions to use things like IMEI to makes phones easy to trace? It might catch the criminal after he tried to pawn it but it won't stop them from beating or even killing somebody for their iPhone because...well lets face it folks, criminals aren't the brightest of bulbs at the best of times. I mean how many times have we seen a criminal who has killed somebody and stolen their CCs and bank cards just standing at an ATM with the cards, no trying to hide their face or anything? With the cameras practically staring them right in the face?

      So while various tracing measures can be used to bust the criminal after expecting to lower crime by tracing won't work because criminals are morons that are attracted to shiny objects, period the end.

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    2. Re:Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      To steal a line from Mel Brooks "Bullshit, bullshit, aaaaannnnnddd bullshit". Here are the facts, 1.-The "cell phone gun" has a NON WORKING SCREEN because naturally there is no room to put electronics into it and still have room for the firing mechanism. 2.- It looks like a real cell phone ONLY FROM A DISTANCE as things like fake screen and cheap plastic keypad makes it look like one of the $1 toys you get in stores like Family Dollar for little kids, no way somebody is gonna mistake or be unable to tell the difference if they are close enough to knock it out of your hand.

      As for TFA and the suggestions to use things like IMEI to makes phones easy to trace? It might catch the criminal after he tried to pawn it but it won't stop them from beating or even killing somebody for their iPhone because...well lets face it folks, criminals aren't the brightest of bulbs at the best of times. I mean how many times have we seen a criminal who has killed somebody and stolen their CCs and bank cards just standing at an ATM with the cards, no trying to hide their face or anything? With the cameras practically staring them right in the face?

      So while various tracing measures can be used to bust the criminal after expecting to lower crime by tracing won't work because criminals are morons that are attracted to shiny objects, period the end.

      You're thinking much too far... The reason phones are stolen is because there is a market for stolen phones. Without it, there is little point in stealing phones.

      The best solution isn't "tracing" anything because ultimately it will be difficult to prove who stole which phone and from whom, but it would be trivial for the carriers to simply pledge to honor a "do not service" blacklist of handsets that have been reported stolen by their owners. Doing this instantly demolishes the market for stolen phones: If the phones can't be connected to any carrier, who would buy them? If nobody buys them, why steal them? If you can't use them yourself, why steal them?

      These crimes are economic in nature. Eliminate the chance to make a profit from stolen phones (or to just use them yourself) by refusing to service stolen phones--just make it a technical block that prevents the phones from mating to the network, or from being assigned to an account, or some similar option to attack the usability of the phone.

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    3. Re:Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      Dude have you EVER been around a junkie? Because I've played in mob bars and behind chicken wire and I've known more than my fair share of junkies and fools. again if the argument held then there would be ZERO credit cards stolen since every ATM has built in cameras making it practically 100% that you WILL be caught...yet they still do it.

      Hell if for no other reason they'd keep stealing them because having certain models are status symbols, whether they work or not being seen with one is a status thing. Would it help? Possibly but I doubt it, criminals just aren't that bright, look at how many cut open fiber optics to steal copper, or electrocute themselves trying to steal power lines which is worth less per pound than a set of rims off a sportscar. You are thinking logically, but logic and criminals really don't go together, hell I should know as i had a cousin that did 5 years for stealing AIR, not oxygen...air. Stupid fucker broke into a dentist's office and couldn't even think of a way to tell the tanks apart...like say turning one on for a sec and smelling it, so he went eany meany and got an air tank.

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    4. Re:Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your cousin was looking for O2 instead of nitrous, that does nothing to improve the already low expectations I have of you and your relatives.

    5. Re:Type II Error (was Re:Serious crime?) by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      Hell if for no other reason they'd keep stealing them because having certain models are status symbols, whether they work or not being seen with one is a status thing.

      Let's walk through that scenario...

      GuyWhoStoleNowUselessiPhone: Hey man, check out my iPhone!
      Dude's Buddy: Sweet, what's your number, you can text me the picture of those girls...
      GuyWhoStoleNowUselessiPhone: Oh, well...

      The status comes from having a working device--non-working marks you as a poser.

      Would it help? Possibly but I doubt it, criminals just aren't that bright, look at how many cut open fiber optics to steal copper, or electrocute themselves trying to steal power lines which is worth less per pound than a set of rims off a sportscar.

      It would undeniably help, and even if there were still some mobile phone thefts, they reduction in incidence would statistically require a massive reduction in violent incidents.

      Again, you're thinking too narrowly: About the person stealing the phone directly. But you're wasting your time: All of those things, every last one of them, is stolen for one reason and one reason only--economic motivation. It doesn't matter that Ferrari rims are more expensive--they're usually attached to Ferraris which are usually parked in a locked, alarmed, and sometimes guarded garage. (An alarm being worth the investment for the garage when the car parked inside is worth more than an upper-middle-class home.) So the risk in stealing those rims (the perceived risk of being caught) is far higher than the risk of stealing fiber or copper. Granted, plenty of thieves have died during botched attempts at the theft of both, but don't count them as stupid--they're merely operating at a different risk-tolerance than you. That is, they'd rather die than get caught.

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  29. Re:Serious crime? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2

    (A) Already there today
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130413/16102322700/san-diego-cop-thinks-you-might-have-turned-your-cell-phone-into-gun-that-officer-safety-trumps-constitutional-rights.shtml

    (B) I fully expected you to say that the biggest problem would be other people figuring out your code and sending it to your phone while you still had it.

  30. Hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't the article title be "BLACKS driving violent crime across U.S."???

    Or did they miss that part of the police reports?

  31. Cops should be able to retrieve phones by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    With the proper inexpensive tracking tools, police could track down cell phones that have been stolen. This would lead them to people who probably have committed more than one crime as well.

    1. Re:Cops should be able to retrieve phones by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      With the proper inexpensive tracking tools, police could track down cell phones that have been stolen. This would lead them to people who probably have committed more than one crime as well.

      With the proper inexpensive tracking tools police could track down .... well, anybody.

      Careful what you ask for.

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    2. Re:Cops should be able to retrieve phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can imagine all of slashdot jumping for joy when they find out that the police can now track their stolen phone!

    3. Re:Cops should be able to retrieve phones by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain, but invasions of privacy don't happen because technology makes it easy but because of the corrupt people manning those tools.

    4. Re:Cops should be able to retrieve phones by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They can already do this. GSM providers in the USA elected to go with DtoA rather than GPS to provide positioning for E911. The result is that they all have the technology to locate your phone within a few meters any time it can see more than one cell site, whether it even has GPS or not. Plenty of phones have software loaded onto them which permits the carrier to switch GPS on and get your position, but that's not universal. I'd imagine that by now the CDMA carriers can do DtoA as well, but I have done absolutely no research.

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  32. Re:Serious crime? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    However, I've come up with an easy solution: Just rig the cellphones with explosives that can be detonated by sending the right message to it. That way, if somebody walks away with your iPhone, just blow him up.

    I'm sure Iran, China, radical Muslims, or any number of bat shit crazy groups would love to see this happen. How long do you think it would take for this to get hacked? We should be able to reduce the population of most developed countries to 5 or 10% of what they currently are.

    It looks like you have not only solved the cell phone theft problem. But also over population, pollution, green house gas emissions, traffic jams, etc. How efficient of you.

  33. just round up all the black people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    problem solved

  34. The solution exists, use it by carvalhao · · Score: 2

    The ability to deny service to a blacklisted device already is part of the GSM standard and the central registry needed to get this working:

    http://www.gsma.com/technicalprojects/fraud-security/imei-database

    Now it is only a matter of getting the carriers to actually use this list to deny service. In most SGSN, all it takes is changing a config flag.

    Yes, that hard!

  35. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't go around with your smartphone glued to your ear all day. Don't advertise that you have a smartphone. Don't use it in areas where you are alone or in high crime areas. Don't wear it in a holster on your belt, keep it hidden when not in use. If iJunk is what is stolen most, avoid it like the plague that it is! Get a better and less expensive Android phone.

    Better yet, get a "dumb" phone that only makes calls and does texts. NO ONE "needs" a smartphone! You may want one, like having one, but it is not necessary.

    As for tablets, avoid the vastly overpriced iCrap, and get something better and less expensive. Same as with a smartphone, be carefill where you use a tablet, and how you carry it. If they don't know you have it, they won't try to steal it.

  36. Duh! by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

    Well, duh!

    It is a device that costs $200 upwards, small and a lot of people are carrying. The amount of cash one holds is usually meager and credit/debit cards are worthless because they can be rendered useless with one phone-call (someone pointed out above that it would be a good idea to have that bricking option for phones too). Expensive watches would be a good alternative for theft, but youngsters don't wear them, since they have a smartphone to tell the time with. The smartphone is the new Rolex.

    1. Re:Duh! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      some smartphones are worth some cash even if blacklisted/banned.
      the screen etc are still usable from it.

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  37. Re:Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your methods sound plausible, but if you're really so smart, why not just get a job where you get reliable money and cause less distress to innocent people and less danger to yourself? The theft itself is not the only risky part of the operation. How do you know that your buyers won't turn you in for a lighter sentence?

  38. Re:Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your methods sound plausible, but if you're really so smart, why not just get a job where you get reliable money and cause less distress to innocent people and less danger to yourself? The theft itself is not the only risky part of the operation. How do you know that your buyers won't turn you in for a lighter sentence?

    lighter sentence for having bought a stolen phone? huh? one of the reasons this type of crime is popular is that the cops don't care at all about phone thefts. they don't investigate them. If they did, they would with simple effort have caught everyone who stole more than 5 phones in their career and most first timers as well.

  39. Took them long `nuff. by houbou · · Score: 1

    What took them so long for this database anyways? sheesh. It's not so much a serious crime as it is a crime. Smartphones nowadays can be used to manage your life with all the information you can set into it. Of course, for some, it's a great delivery system for Angry Birds and Temple Run... nevertheless, there should have been a DB a long time ago.

  40. Re:Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he has a point actually. I don't resell them direct (though I do jailbreak and reconfigure as necessary, hey, I'm posting here ain't I?) because I hate to deal with the public and sales sucks. I have a couple of middlemen I deal with that saves me the hassle and one of those guys could burn me a lot more than any random one time buyer. The idea certainly gives me pause but hey, the money's good now. OTOH, when I'm done with this degree and in all likelihood move away from this target rich urban environment when I get a decent job it'll be behind me and hopefully that won't happen.

  41. Wrong - poverty drives violent crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The primary cause of most cell-phone (and other) thefts (violent or otherwise) is that in the US lots of people have to worry about where their next meal is coming from.
    And some people simply cannot get a job to fix that. A combination of lack of skills or acuity, neutral traits that companies discriminate against, and general lack of work make it really difficult for some people to find a job. Almost nobody considers themselves a criminal - even criminals generally don't think of themselves as bad. But you have to eat. (Or fuel your drug addiction, another area which the US is handling spectacularly badly.)
    Disclaimer: I'm saying this as a highly skilled programmer who somehow isn't able to find a job. Employers always say in interview feedback that I come across as skilled and intelligent, but there's always someone else or an excuse not to hire me. I'm a good and moral person, but if I had been in the same situation in the US I wouldn't have the government benefits that I have now. You can beg, but Americans aren't known for their generosity, at least not among US beggars. So a life crime it would be. After all, you've got to fill your stomach and necessity justifies everything. Think about it. The lady you just shot to get her wallet is part of a society that doesn't provide universal unemployment benefits. All Americans are partly guilty for most US muggings.

    1. Re:Wrong - poverty drives violent crime by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      So, you'd turn to crime because you didn't find a job?
      Sounds like you're not as good and moral as you make out.

  42. Authentication by Mike+Frett · · Score: 0

    Apologies if I overlooked a Comment. With that said, I'm surprised nobody has brought up Cell thefts and Password Authentications. With Phone theft on the rise, It's logical that Authentication via Cell Phone isn't as secure as it's made out to me. Heck, Google is damn near forcing people to add a #, hows me? I don't even own a Phone so how the heck am I suppose to access GMail.

    If they want me to add a Cell, then maybe they need to buy and keep up the payments on a Phone for me. I seriously dislike being forced to do things I feel are not in my best interest, both financially and mentally. Forcing, isn't that what Slavery was about?.

    1. Re:Authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, Google is damn near forcing people to add a #, hows me? I don't even own a Phone so how the heck am I suppose to access GMail.

      Don't opt in to two-factor authentication?

  43. It's worse than you imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You missed several noteworthy memes. You missed the fact that companies work for profit, not the best interests of their customers. In this case, they sell insurance plans which generate profits for them and the 3rd parties that underwrite the contracts. If you don't have insurance for your phone when you are mugged, you will have to buy one at replacement price, i.e. full retail. If you determine that you don't really want to afford the retail replacement price, you're the hook for their 2 year contractual obligation, and if the customer is the a business the expense is a tax right-off.

    Muggers are potentially adding > $2.8M to the national economy by requiring Smartphone users to buy additional equipment alone. Additionally, they are making it possible for people to buy equipment they might not otherwise afford and therefore become cell service customers. Of course there's no telling just how many stolen smart phones are sold back to others who were the victims of theft, so it's hard to say how many additional service contracts are initiated out of similar circumstance.

    If you accept even partial validity for these back-o-the-napkin calculations, there's absolutely no incentive for a cynical industry executive to stand in the way of the additional profits by protecting the consumer.

    If April was a typical month in San Francisco:

    579 'serious' crimes in April / .41 = 1412 'cellphone muggings' (Mugging is violent. And in CA any theft > $400 is Grand Theft. I'd say that qualifies as serious.)

    1412 * 12 = 16,946 serious crimes annually (I assume this represents reported crimes entered into some incomplete database, somewhere.)

    (16,946) * .41 = 6,948 (Assuming April was an average month and a Smartphone retails at $400, then 7000 * 400 = $2,800,000)

    Oh, and you completely missed the fact that neither the FCC nor the so-called Consumer Protection Agency discusses or interests themselves such discussion. They really just don't care.

  44. Smartphones AREN'T driving violent crime by Thrill+Science · · Score: 0

    Smartphones AREN'T driving violent crime. CRIMINALS are. Unfortunately, the voters of CALIFORNIA LOVE CRIMINALS.

  45. Re:Serious crime? by auric_dude · · Score: 1

    In the UK figures for crime be it property, cell phone or card fraud via http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/may/09/mobile-theft-card-fraud-property-crime are dropping and with not too many guns being used in the commissioning of these crimes you would think that we in the UK have it good but that is not so. It is the general fear of being a victim due to the fact that a good number of people have more than one mobile phone and this volume and value of goods that can be moved on for cash creates a pool of wealth awaiting a sometimes violent harvesting by others. One topic of notes is the different crime figures for mobile (cell) phone crimes when broken down by age and sex. All crime is serious if you or someone in your family is a victim.

  46. DRIVING violent crime? Seriously? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Smartphones Driving Violent Crime Across US

    Are they? Are they really? Or is it just quicker, easier, and more productive for a mugger to demand your phone instead of your wallet these days?

    Or is there a whole generation of kids who would otherwise never have thought to turn to crime except that all those phones are soooo shiny...

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  47. Re:Serious crime? by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    You might add that it has been reported that when Weev took out his cell phone at his trial after sentencing, someone yelled "He has his cell phone out" and immediately court security jumped on him to pin him to the ground.

    Wired said about this, however, that

    Auernheimer was reportedly asked to hand the court a mobile phone he had with him during the hearing, and after handing it to his defense attorney instead, court agents cuffed him.

    so the reports might be a bit exaggerated.

  48. Driving? by gaiageek · · Score: 1

    I thought Google was only driving cars.

  49. Re:Serious crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Widely-published statistics make it clear: an explosive cell phone in your home is 85% more likely to harm a friend or family member than a criminal.

  50. Yet another reason by AJWM · · Score: 1

    ...to stick with my (antique?) flip phone.

    Besides, a big slab of glass and plastic looks much less cool than the flipper when you want to call "beam me up, Scotty."

    (Okay, granted, even the latter isn't cool anymore, but...)

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  51. If there was only a way to track cellphones &. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the carriers only had a way to track each individual device so they could be individually billed. And if these devices were only smart enough to track their current GPS position and get directions to go somewhere.

    But the carriers are more interested in spying on us for the government and not in stopping theft of devices.

    I mean how long would it take to correct this problem, by bricking the devices that were involved in a crime, as soon as the police report was filed & turned in. seriously even with out tracking the criminals down, simply bricking the device would destroy the resale value.

  52. YOU are missing the big picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The modern world is complicated. You don't notice just how complicated it is because your brain is well-adapted to it. You are plenty intelligent enough to manage the level of complexity necessary for a prosperous middle-class life, so much so that you don't even realize just how much stuff you have to know and figure out in order to live well. You are beyond this level of complexity, and could probably handle even more.

    However, there is a large segment of the population that are not so intelligent, and never will be. A combination of bad genetics and bad upbringing have limited their mental capacity. Long ago, when basically everyone was a farmer, this was not a problem...farming back then wasn't so complicated and pretty much anyone could handle it. But today it is a different story.

    We have created, and are continuing to create, a world that makes flourishing (as opposed to barely surviving) too intellectually challenging for most people.

    Those who get the short end of this stick do not think like you. They can't. They will never be able to make and run a successful business like you can, nor will they even be able to get a mental handle on what their legitimate options really are. They may attempt to work no-brain jobs, and the few of them that manage to keep such jobs will live a sub-poverty-level existence while surrounded by completely unobtainable symbols of wealth. Eventually, envy and frustration (or surprising desperate circumstances) will get the better of them and they will resort to the one thing they can figure out how to do: mugging you.

    That is the reality, and posting career-counseling on blogs that are typically not even read by these people won't change that a bit.

    Here is how this will play out, over the next several decades:

    This problem will continue to get worse, resulting in more tax money spent on law enforcement, more of the maladjusts winding up in prisons (and there will be plenty, because we will build them). There, their needs will be completely met by your tax dollars, but they will be denied opportunities to breed, which is the only factor that will keep the problem from exploding into a bloody revolution.

    Eventually, over the long haul, this self-selection will drive humanity as a whole to evolve more intelligence, which is a good thing. But the selection process is going to be expensive and is really going to suck for those who don't make the cut.

     

    1. Re:YOU are missing the big picture by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      A sad analysis. But I would have to generally agree that this is the way things seem to be moving.

      There are (grammar?) some less complicated places to live on earth. But they are either not easy or (politically?) unpleasant. Siberia being a hard, but perhaps simpler place to live as an example.

      But you cannot de-urbanize the densely populated cities of the United States over night. Also people who don't fit into a metropolitan life style can't migrate away easily or believe it is beneath them even.

    2. Re:YOU are missing the big picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is how this will play out, over the next several decades:

      This problem will continue to get worse

      Yeah, no. Crime rates have been steadily dropping, and by all measures we are actually getting smarter. An average person from 100 years ago would be considered borderline retarded by today's standards.

    3. Re:YOU are missing the big picture by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      Living in Western Siberia is just as complex as anywhere else. Less low level crime, because everyone knows who did it, more high-level corruption, because everyone knows who needs it. And don't think 'tribal' societies are easier either - you'd better know whatever holy book they use pretty well, if you'd like to live.

  53. Ridiculous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a widely-known fact that Grok did not invent the wheel. The inventor's name was "Wheel."

    The definitive documentary on this subject can be found here.

  54. Happened to me by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    I had this happen to me. Individual demanded my phone and threatened me with a knife if I didn't give it to him. He changed his mind when I drew my glock instead. He did have the presence of mind to run rather than try anything though.

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  55. Dye pack by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    How about an exploding dye pack. See someone looking like Carrot Top, call the cops.

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  56. Re:Serious crime? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    You have problems understanding relative badness. Blowing someone up for stealing a phone is a little much........

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  57. Re:Serious crime? by Khashishi · · Score: 2

    I think most of us grew up learning in school that kicks, threats, and robbery aren't really taken seriously. Drugs, on the other hand

  58. Arrest Apple's CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're the root of all EEEEVILLLLLLL, this article says soooo, sooo it must be trueee

    Okay, got that off my chest.

    Apple just needs to lower the price (so do all the other manufacturers, but let's face it, I hate Apple, always have, always will - because they're a bunch of hoodlums running amok, stealing everyone else's ideas and designs, slapping them together and claiming it's something new and unique).

  59. Re:Serious crime? by Roblimo · · Score: 1
  60. Re:Serious crime? by Roblimo · · Score: 1

    This is not true. I read on the Guns are Better than Sex site that crime in Great Britain is going up because they don't have guns. Are you telling me that an American who enjoys fellating guns has lied? No way!

  61. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you can make the world a better place.

    Kill yourself.

    Pot, meet kettle.

  62. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yadda yadda yadda (anger) yadda yadda yadda (ignorance) yadda yadda yadda (hate) yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda...

    Like a refrigerator engine buzz, your little mind, it just goes on and on and on, in dark tiny circles.

  63. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you mind "Junior", he gets this way whenever a new zit breaks out... happens rather a lot, really.
    To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit concerned, "Junior" spends all his time either on the computer or counting his zits in the mirror.

  64. Smartphone Muggings = Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people who mug, rob, beat, hold up (with guns or knives) people carring smartphones are easily categorized. As being "diverse" -- that is non-White, non-Asian people, overwhelmingly men, overwhelmingly Black, with Latino men making up the rest.

    That's it. Apple Fanbois, nerdy WoW players, White guys, Asian guys, almost completely absent from this. The word you are looking for is "Black."

    Tokyo is filled with Smartphone using pedestrians, oblivious and so on. Because crime is low in non-diverse, very conformist Tokyo. "Diversity" (which equals lots of Blacks and Hispanics) means lots and lots and lots of crime. Ugly, physical crime aimed as much as domination and humiliation and beatings as much as quick cash. Its easier and safer (no witnesses, no assault charges) to steal stuff out of parked cars, unattended bags, etc. Even a low level thug knows that much. Nope, the street thugs get a rise out of beating and robbing White/Asian victims who work for a living and enjoy higher status but don't have the physical street power to kill someone.

    A normal, sane society would lock up thugs, even if they are overwhelmingly Black, and secondarily Hispanic, regardless of the political costs to urban machines who rely on their relatives votes.

    The problem is not the smartphones. It is not the oblivious users. It is the Black and Hispanic thuggery that makes American urban areas a mini-hell, for the most part (outside NYC, Portland, Seattle, SF, and Boston). I'll bet anyone that over 95% of the street robberies are done by Black and Hipsanics. Any takers?

  65. Samsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung Galaxy S4s will ship with Computrace theft-recovery software built-in -

    http://security.cbronline.com/news/samsung-to-use-absolute-software-anti-theft-technology-in-galaxy-devices-040413

  66. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What he don't know, you could almost squeeze into the Grand Canyon (if he knew what that was).
    One of the chosen ones, one of God's Master Race! A glorious trailer park incest paradise.

  67. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this actually imply that your point of view is level with someone else's crotch? Oh my.

    I am the OP.

    You are a faggot, I am not.

    Your faggotness has obviously tainted your perceptions.

    But you can make the world a better place.

    Kill yourself.

    Is it true that when you were born, your white trash mother shit out a pineapple?

    Well that's what the fellas are sayin'.
    It's true, I'm just sayin'.

  68. Re:Serious crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not true. I read on the Guns are Better than Sex site that crime in Great Britain is going up because they don't have guns. Are you telling me that an American who enjoys fellating guns has lied? No way!

    And I read on slashdot that back in the day, you used to suck Rob Malda's cock. Are you telling me that an Anonymous Coward has lied? No way!

  69. like really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about simply blacklisting the imei or serial number of the stolen phones??? duhhhh

  70. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical specimen: a primate who has not traveled, has not lived anything the world has to offer, yet fancies himself top of the heap.
    Like an Albanian in the 1970s. Or a 2013 North Korean. Amazing what Deprivation + Propaganda can do.

  71. Thought problem by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Suppose I own a museum and seek to make money by charging admission.

    If seeing the museum has a certain importance to people - people must see the museum once in their lives, for instance - then I maximize my profit by raising prices as high as the situation will bear. To the limit that people need to see the museum, I can extract the most money.

    Suppose instead the government fixes the museum ticket price but says nothing about how many people see the museum per day. Since I cannot raise prices I must sell more tickets to maximize profit. I am encouraged to structure operations so that the most people see the museum - opening the museum 24 hours a day, for instance. Over time I am encouraged to allow ever more people access to the museum - structural changes to the building or parking lot, touring the museum to large cities, and so on.

    In the first case, economics based on a limited resource resulted in higher prices and less overall service.

    In the second case, economics based on access resulted in more people having access.

    In certain cases the government should regulate a fixed resource to maximize the usage or maximize the benefits to society instead of maximizing the individual profit. In the current telecommunications situation, we are not maximizing the utility of the resource as compared to other countries such as Europe and Japan.

    We're seeing this in the healthcare industry as well. Health care is bewilderingly complex, but consider a slice of the issue for comparison: getting a diagnosis from a doctor's visit. If the government regulated doctor visits to a fixed price, and specified that future visits for the same ailment were covered under the original fee, then doctors would make the most money when they get the diagnosis right on the first visit. The economics would favor access, satisfaction, and customer service instead of "try this and see" with followup visits.

    Sadly, the political structure in this country is thoroughly corrupt, so suggesting regulation is pointless. There are windmills for jousting in abundance, and life's too short to spend it on quixotic quests.

    1. Re:Thought problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're seeing this in the healthcare industry as well. Health care is bewilderingly complex, but consider a slice of the issue for comparison: getting a diagnosis from a doctor's visit. If the government regulated doctor visits to a fixed price, and specified that future visits for the same ailment were covered under the original fee, then doctors would make the most money when they get the diagnosis right on the first visit. The economics would favor access, satisfaction, and customer service instead of "try this and see" with followup visits.

      Either that or doctors would "play by the book" and do the minimum number of tests and schedule the minimum number of visits possible. Nevermind if the diagnosis wasn't 100% correct, as long as they did accepted procedures, you can't sue them. But he might not be helping you to his full potential. The problem with rules is that people will find ways to cheat. It's better to give people the possibility to do good and help them do good. Instead of trying to make rules until people can only do good.

  72. Cellphones should be locked or regulated by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 0

    If people are being harmed by way of a cellphone then I would like to start a petition to make it illegal to own a cellphone unless:

    A) locked with a safety strap or similar device so it cannot be operated except by the intended owner

    B) require retinal scanning or fingerprint recognition so it can only be operated by the owner.

    C) SD capacity should be limited to 4 gigabytes. Anything larger than that is clearly a sign that something illegal is afoot. Nobody needs more than 4 gig to practice with a cellphone unless they are law enforcement.

    D) Background checks should be required when purchasing a cellphone so the MEID can be recorded along with the person's name and address.

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  73. Blame the carriers by rossz · · Score: 1

    The cell phone companies have the ability to disable service for any phone permanently. They already do this in most of Europe and has almost eliminated cell phone thefts. The American companies resist doing this common sense action because they can still make money from stolen phones.

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  74. The answer is obvious by plopez · · Score: 1

    All smart phones need to be sold with a fire arm to protect it from theft.

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    1. Re:The answer is obvious by cranky_chemist · · Score: 1

      Don't be ridiculous. Just do what I did and chain your smart phone to a concrete block. Problem solved.

  75. Theives are dumb asses. by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    The thief should just sign up a 2 year contract, then not pay for it.

    Maybe just report your phone was stolen by Chechen rebels terrorists, DHS will find it in 5mins.

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  76. thats what wars are for..... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Those mad undesirables can go to battle, and become bullet catchers.

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  77. Giving thieves the finger by nickovs · · Score: 1

    A number of smartphone providers have been talking about adding fingerprint readers to phones to make the security stronger. Over 40% of serious crime involves smart devices and half of those crimes are violent in some way, many at knife-point. Does anyone else worry that it won't take long for muggers to work out that if they take the phone they need to take your index finger too?

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    1. Re:Giving thieves the finger by Eugriped3z · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, so to speak, if you give a thief your fingerprint to unlock your phone when he steels it, he will have its use until it locks again. But if you teach the thief to reset this security feature with his own fingerprint, then it will be recorded in the system memory. And if the phone were traceable, then you could teach him a lesson for the rest of his life.

      Note: I didn't intend to be sexist when writing this comment. On the off chance anyone feels left out, please feel free to switch the gender of the thief in the last sentence.

    2. Re:Giving thieves the finger by quenda · · Score: 1

      if they take the phone they need to take your index finger too?

      Maybe you have been watching too much TV. The article is about the US, not Jamaica or the Congo.

  78. It was sportshoes, jackets, gold chains ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 0

    Before the smartphone became the "in-thang" for the ghetto boyz, it was fat gold chains, brand-name sport shoes, and jackets that were the rage

    People were robbed and sometimes killed over a pair of shoes back then

    I still do not understand why they need to go for the "fist-in-yer-faze" routine when Al Sharpton could have asked Apple Inc to give them ghetto boyz free iPhones

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  79. In Australia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We use GSM phones which have an IMEI number.
    In the case your phone is stolen or missing, the Network operator then submits the phones IMEI to a national database, which essentially makes it unusable on any network nationwide.

  80. In Europe, they disable phones by cpslash · · Score: 1

    In Europe, when a phone is reported stolen, it is deactivated. Their 'mobile' crime wave stopped when they did this. If such a scheme were adopted in the US, our 'crime wave' would stop too.

    1. Re:In Europe, they disable phones by JuniorJack · · Score: 1

      I don't know for what part of Europe you are talking about, but here in the UK all stolen and blacklisted iPhones are sold openly on Ebay as 'faulty', 'no reception', etc. The sale price is not bad as well, you can do a simple search and check for yourself. Buyers are usually people who export in bulk to other countries where the blacklist do not apply.

  81. Only in America by froth-bite · · Score: 1

    would smartphones be driving with violent crime in cars, so they can get to the other coast.

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  82. Re:Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy s by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Nähhh, I'm pretty sure that you'll remain addicted and that it will sooner or later be your undoing.

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  83. Re:Serious crime? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

    4. Cop pulls cell phone out of your car and starts writing up your citation.
    5. Pull out backup cellphone, blow up cop, drive away. No ticket!

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  84. Hi there, I'm disingenuous Josh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee willikers! My name is disingenuous Josh, I never think about the basics of selling my wares. As far as I'm concerned, if people are stealing the items that I'm selling that's good, because it's free advertising! I never thought that when I first sold my phones that have obvious capability of being tracked that my customers would expect that degree of competence! Nah, instead of doing that I'm just going to sit on my butt and continue to force those unfortunate costumers the same rates even when they don't even have the phone. It's only fair that we're getting rewarded for providing terrible service.

  85. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't have anything to do with skin color.

    Unless you're trying to suggest if -I- were to do it, you'd not shoot at me?

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  86. Re:Glock .40 + iPhone = dead niggers. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Jackass, this is slashdot not 4chan.

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  87. Re:Serious crime? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    I can't see myself feeling very comfortable with a electronically-detonated grenade in my pocket that was manufactured in China.

    Chances are, either it won't go off when you need it - or it will go off in your pants.

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  88. Re:Serious crime? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    I don't either. However, I do have a knife, a rifle, a good long head-breaking stick, and a fake sword that could at least break an arm.

    I don't think it would work out so well for him.

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  89. Re:Serious crime? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    It would be nice to see if the last 10 years have continued that trend, or reversed it.

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  90. Simple solution by AdamWill · · Score: 1

    Don't worry folks, the manufacturers have this in hand. By next year the accepted minimum screen size for a flagship phone will be 17", and cellphone thefts will be rendered impractical because by the time your poor thief has backed up his pick-up truck and got his accomplices to help him heave your phone into the back, the cops will have arrived...

  91. Re:Serious crime? by FunPika · · Score: 1

    6. Massive manhunt to find you (and you were probably identified pretty quickly by your license plate being recorded by the cop's dash cam). Also, even if they don't call in a bomb squad before going anywhere near the phone, the cop would probably at least have you in handcuffs and search you first.

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  92. Re:Serious crime? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

    Manhunt? Hahahaha. Police are too busy arresting high school honor students making Drano bombs in empty fields to be bothered with petty criminals.

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  93. Re:Stealing cellphones at gunpoint is some crazy s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This above is why concealed carry should be legal everywhere.
    And yes, I am advocating shooting those who steal phones.